The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread
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Looks like Israel is going to test to see if Iran will respond again.
They are giving us a fair warning, and I think it is a warning that has been approved by Russia. This really could turn into WW3.
It's not the Iron Dome's failure per se - it's a short range, point defense system, not really designed to intercept ballistics. It's a failure of the whole Israeli air defense network: Patriot, Arrow, air to air interceptors.
That whole "I will strike you, and you must not strike back" approach hardly ever works.
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The "I will cry out in pain, as I strike you" technique works much better in this particular region of the world
It's something of a gray area - hypersonic speed is Mach 5 and above, and almost every ballistic missile can cross this threshold, once it reaches high altitudes. But to classify as a "true" hypersonic weapon, the missile should be able to (among other things like maneuverability) maintain its speed, including the terminal phase.
Now in this particular case, the Fattah missiles (at least in theory) can reach the speeds of Mach 13 mid flight and Mach 5 in the terminal phase, so they meet the hypersonic standard.
Military Knowledge: Fattah Hypersonic Ballistic Missile - Islamic World News
The Fattah missile is the first example of Iranian hypersonic missiles that was unveiled in a special ceremony in Tehran on June 6. This missile, with a speed of more than 13 Mach in the midcourse phase and a speed higher than 5 Mach in the terminal phase and also with the ability to maneuver at...
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As I understand it, a key feature of these missiles is not just the speed, but the ability to vary their flights to avoid missile defenses, and yet still have high accuracy in hitting their targets.It's something of a gray area - hypersonic speed is Mach 5 and above, and almost every ballistic missile can cross this threshold, once it reaches high altitudes. But to classify as a "true" hypersonic weapon, the missile should be able to (among other things like maneuverability) maintain its speed, including the terminal phase.
Now in this particular case, the Fattah missiles (at least in theory) can reach the speeds of Mach 13 mid flight and Mach 5 in the terminal phase, so they meet the hypersonic standard.
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Military Knowledge: Fattah Hypersonic Ballistic Missile - Islamic World News
The Fattah missile is the first example of Iranian hypersonic missiles that was unveiled in a special ceremony in Tehran on June 6. This missile, with a speed of more than 13 Mach in the midcourse phase and a speed higher than 5 Mach in the terminal phase and also with the ability to maneuver at...
I'm surprised the US is so far behind, with seemingly every US adversary having more advanced hypersonic missile capabilities.
Well, we all know Diversity is our greatest strength. Who needs 140 IQ White men developing new technology, we have new and diverse engineers.
Speed above Mach 5 including the terminal phase, maneuverability at these speeds, and precision are key requirements to meet the hypersonic standard.
The US military has more rigorous standards: "it has to have a scramjet engine or it's not a real hypersonic". And it's the obsession to meet the most demanding standards is what keeps us lagging behind the competition. We could easily build missiles like the Fattah - in fact we had similar missiles in the past: the cold war era Pershing 2, but we axed them and froze our theatre ballistic programs after the INF treaty.
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Two US Navy destroyers: USS Bulkely and USS Cole, stationed in the Eastern Mediterranean, fired "a dozen" interceptors against Iranian missiles.
Looks like another measured response, they knew it was coming - but still couldn't stop it, and that was the point Iran is making here, we can hit you wherever, and in 400 seconds, so pipe it down.
The Russians have quality AA batteries, and the quantities as well.
The S-400 would be effective against air bombing runs, but much like the Iranian showed, it could be defeated by throwing a lot of cheap targets at it to sponge up the relatively smaller inventory of expensive interceptors.
The Russians have quality AA batteries, and the quantities as well.
Iran declares war with Israel! 
