Whore addiction

Developing a relationship with a priest and having regularly confession will always completely top any advice you could get from a forum. The priesthood belongs to Jesus Christ.

The priesthood only exists within the body of Christ's bride, which is known as the Orthodox Church. Schismatic churches lose their apostolic succession and their bishops no longer carry the power of Apostles that Orthodox Bishops do. Therefore, neither do schismatic priests, since priests can only inherit power from bishops, and thus, Catholic priests won't have the sacramental power of confession since they are only pastors.

To be a priest requires proper Apostolic succession of which the Catholic church lacks. Thus their priests are merely pastors, and it's why the Catholic church as a whole continues to stray and degrade.

Naturally this is off topic, but, we shouldn't be surprised when Catholics come on here seeking spiritual advice - they won't get very good lessons from their pastors, who aren't any different than you or I.

As an Orthodox, you should know this by the way - you are more than welcome to speak to your Priest about this if you don't believe me.

To the Catholics who are offended by the above post, please reply to this one in the Catholicism: Debate and Criticism thread if you want to reply, I only made this post here so that Radion and others understand where I am coming from. This thread is not to discuss the particulars of theology.
 
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To be honest, if she rejects the ultimatum to quit and turn to God it would be the easiest solution, I’d just move on. But if she doesn’t and accepts? That will be tricky. Is she genuine or is she accepting because of her current positive feelings. High risk.

I will have to embarrassingly explain this to my priest again. Yes I made a mistake, and the situation is tricky.

You are letting Satan control you. Bring her to Church. Let God handle things. Do not worry about what comes next. Satan loves keeping people away from Church. God wants sinners in his Church. Christ came to heal the sick, not the healthy. Christ wants strippers and other sinners in his Church.

You will do God's will or you will be forsaken by God; God will take care of the situation for you if you bring her into even the most Protestant of Churches (but they actually have to believe in the trinity and not fly the pride flag).
 
Yes I failed. I didn’t want to keep it from the guys on this forum because the posts in this thread are helping me. I could have just lied but I didn’t. If this was easy men wouldn’t be struggling with this vice from the beginning of time. Anyway, I did block her, then decided to unblock her which of course was a mistake. She is a stripper, but besides that she hasn’t done anything unkind to me. No unkind words, no attitude, has no issues hanging out with me outside the club and doesn’t ask for anything. If we go out I’ll buy her dinner or pay for the date. We’ve hung out for entire weekends, she’s fine with it. She doesn’t have a pimp, she lives with her grandparents. She works at the strip club a few days a week.

I thought about taking her to church and seeing if she can be led out of this life, but obviously I am extremely hesitant. If it is a long con (it totally could be) it would be a poor move. I have planted seeds about God and that she needs to get out, but I can be more forceful. I am split between giving her an ultimatum or just ghosting and blocking again. Why I feel bad about just ghosting, besides her dancer lifestyle she hasn’t done anything wrong. But continuing to see her leads me into sin, and obviously she is very high risk.

To be honest, if she rejects the ultimatum to quit and turn to God it would be the easiest solution, I’d just move on. But if she doesn’t and accepts? That will be tricky. Is she genuine or is she accepting because of her current positive feelings. High risk.

I will have to embarrassingly explain this to my priest again. Yes I made a mistake, and the situation is tricky.
It won't be the last time you make this mistake, but you have to push to make the frequency of this sin less, and much less as time goes on. Cold turkey is impossible for most men with the way they've let modern hedonic feelings rewire their brain, you have to ween yourself off of sin. There is no drug out there that can over-intoxicate a man like supple woman's flesh, it is why it is such a high concern for anyone who walks with Christ, be they clergy, laity, or recidivistic sinners, to do whatever it takes to change their life so they don't keep falling back in.

Blocking her number was easy, for a month, but then you lapsed. You have to cut it off with her, change your social contacts, your friends, your surroundings, anything that is keeping you in this negative cycle. I don't know what your priest will recommend, perhaps it is something affecting you in your environment. Blocking numbers isn't enough, because its just as easy to unblock them and relapse. Digital mediums are capable of overriding rational thought with the kind of energy going in and out of them.

Perhaps you need to move to a new town in a new state, change your phone number, all your email addresses, driver's license, license plates, insurance, your job. Nothing earthly is worth keeping if you can't stop this behavior. I won't speak about my personal experiences, only that I had to fundamentally change much of my surrounding stimuli in order to de-program my brain from the emptiness that these heathens have put in place of Christ at the center of western society.

I think you need to seriously re-assess everything you have in your life and do whatever it takes to unplug from your surroundings, and perhaps find a new Church and a community far away so you start off right in the next place you move to, from the beginning all your foundations will be laid from that connection only, not work functions, not network contacts, not friends with money, but with humble beginnings.

You made it nearly one month without lapsing. Lets see you go for two or three from your most recent lapse. Some may disagree with me for suggesting this, but the fallen creatures of the aether are beyond our comprehension, and they have been here since the beginning, and know all the ways to contort an outcome from a man's desires. One thing demons don't like is a committed repentant, but they also don't like seeing a sinner make progress against their inherent weaknesses and vices. If you can make it an entire season without fornicating with any woman, then perhaps you can go for half a year or more, to re-wire your brain and give your flesh and aura time to heal by spending it praying, working, toiling, and laboring in both body and spirit, to rebuild yourself as a cleaner man. No Godly woman will want to be with a man who stains himself with whores and sluts. It is something they can sense, like pheromones.

Considering your situation, I also wouldn't waste your time taking a stripper to Church. They need to go Church regardless, but you have enough problems reconciling your own sins to take on the burden of another who is more lost in her sin than you are. Help yourself first, and then you will be able to help another in need.

Just let her go brother. Heed our warnings. Get out of the devil's house while you still can.
 
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Considering your situation, I also wouldn't waste your time taking a stripper to Church. They need to go Church regardless, but you have enough problems reconciling your own sins to take on the burden of another who is more lost in her sin than you are. Help yourself first, and then you will be able to help another in need.

Just let her go brother. Heed our warnings. Get out of the devil's house while you still can.

Won't work. Since he's addicted, all that will happen is he'll be drawn to a new whore even if he gets rid of the old one.

Take the existing whore to Church, let God work on you and her, and you'll discover the root of your addiction (which is what really needs to be addressed).
 
Hey @Recovering . If you're real and you arent a troll, you won't be the first guy ever to date a stripper and you probably won't be the last.

I guess your issue is that it conflicts with your faith.

So you've got to work out what's more important to you. Frankly there is value is being with someone you like and they like you back. If you can get past the issue that they take their clothes off for money for other men then you're a bigger man than I.
It could be as simple as she needs the money to support her two old grandparents who are sick etc. You could, you know, just ask. Like it or not, stripping is a great way for not very intelligent but good looking chicks to earn decent money out of the asset they have.

If it's not compatible with your faith and your faith is more important to you, then you know what to do.

It's not that hard but don't beat yourself up too much. Life often puts you in a difficult spot.
 
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Hey @Recovering . If you're real and you arent a troll, you won't be the first guy ever to date a stripper and you probably won't be the last.

I guess your issue is that it conflicts with your faith.

So you've got to work out what's more important to you. Frankly there is value is being with someone you like and they like you back. If you can get past the issue that they take their clothes off for money for other men then you're a bigger man than I.
It could be as simple as she needs the money to support her two old grandparents who are sick etc. You could, you know, just ask. Like it or not, stripping is a great way for not very intelligent but good looking chicks to earn decent money out of the asset they have.

If it's not compatible with your faith and your faith is more important to you, then you know what to do.

It's not that hard but don't beat yourself up too much. Life often puts you in a difficult spot.

Your post and others on here are helping me. I believe you nailed it in saying that having someone you like and that likes you is a great feeling, but yes she is high risk. The thing is many people don’t realize, this type of whoring and sugaring whoring light is becoming more common. Older generations may not understand. It is sinful and has been since the beginning of time, but it is in the open now, not justifying it just stating facts. Until real Christianity takes the heart of the nation again, I don’t see it changing, or maybe God will destroy and rebuild.

I am not a troll, if the admins allow and images are allowed through DMs, I can DM them pictures of Orthodox icons I bought with a handwritten tag that says ChristisKing. At least that will show that I am trying in good faith. I bought them to cleanse my home. What I am writing is true, and yes I am struggling and failing, but I am trying.
 
Hey @Recovering . If you're real and you arent a troll, you won't be the first guy ever to date a stripper and you probably won't be the last.

There sure are a lot of losers out there.

I guess your issue is that it conflicts with your faith.

So you've got to work out what's more important to you. Frankly there is value is being with someone you like and they like you back.
Your wrong. The girl will ripe him off. She likes his money. Not him. You are doing a disservice. She is scamming him. And taking advantage of his weakness. Unless of course she repents. And change her ways. Its not impossible.

He will have to pay her alimony for the rest of his life.

If you can get past the issue that they take their clothes off for money for other men then you're a bigger man than I.
"The issue of taking her clothes off." Do you think that´s all she does? This dude could be kissing her when she just finished sucking dick from another guy. He is most certainly one of many in rotation.

It could be as simple as she needs the money to support her two old grandparents who are sick etc. You could, you know, just ask. Like it or not, stripping is a great way for not very intelligent but good looking chicks to earn decent money out of the asset they have.

Is it? First time I heard this. Your the guy who is not f his wife right? Makes sense. More for you right?

What is this? A good looking not intelligent chick should find a decent husband which provides her. And if she fails to do so. She can do a lot of meaningless works in the government. Working as administrative in DMV, etc.

And I´m the one who gets warnings? You are publicly advocating whoring for woman? First time I heard this. "Girl if you are in a rough spot. You can always whore yourself". This goes beyond RVF 1.0. even which was 100% against p4p.

If it's not compatible with your faith and your faith is more important to you, then you know what to do.

It's not that hard but don't beat yourself up too much. Life often puts you in a difficult spot.

His faith?
 
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There sure are a lot of losers out there.


Your wrong. The girl will ripe him off. She likes his money. Not him. You are doing a disservice. She is scamming him. And taking advantage of his weakness. Unless of course she repents. And change her ways. Its not impossible.

He will have to pay her alimony for the rest of his life.


"The issue of taking her clothes off." Do you think that´s all she does? This dude could be kissing her when she just finished sucking dick from another guy. He is most certainly one of many in rotation.



Is it? First time I heard this. Your the guy who is not f his wife right? Makes sense. More for you right?

What is this? A good looking not intelligent chick should find a decent husband which provides her. And if she fails to do so. She can do a lot of meaningless works in the government. Working as administrative in DMV, etc.

And I´m the one who gets warnings? You are publicly advocating whoring for woman? First time I heard this. Girl if you are in a rough spot. You can always whore yourself.



His faith?

Your post and your tone in this thread are not helpful to my problem in the least. You insinuate I’m a loser and call another member a girl and a whore.

You are making certain wild assumptions that are incorrect. I’m going to ask politely that you stop posting or trying to give advice to me about this issue. I’m going to put you on ignore just in case, since you seem the type that will not stop posting.
 
insults and assumptions about ski pro is unloving and unjustified (1-point warning)
Your post and your tone in this thread are not helpful to my problem in the least. You insinuate I’m a loser and call another member a girl and a whore.

You are making certain wild assumptions that are incorrect. I’m going to ask politely that you stop posting or trying to give advice to me about this issue. I’m going to put you on ignore just in case, since you seem the type that will not stop posting.
Your wrong. I´m not insinuating. You are a loser. And like all addicts you´re arrogant. Because your weak. You think you are better than others. And your ego doesn´t let you see the truth. Like those idiots who want to win a casino. Or cunts who believe they can beat heroin.

I´m just saying what all the membership know is true. Because I get DM´s saying I´m right.

I didn´t call another member whore. Your stripper is a whore. Ski pro seems to be some king of suggar daddy. Another loser. But he is worse than you. I was right about him. Like I´m normally are. But I´m the one who gets warnings.

A loser taking advices from another loser. Talking about blind leading the blind.

I would honestly don´t mind getting banned from this thread.

Where are your parents? You don´t have a father? An older brother?

Please mods ban me from this thread. Thank you.

We shouldnt be lukewarm. This dude is going straight to pain. When you wake up it will be to late. If you had a time machine.

You know what you could do? Message the Tate brothers. They will hook you up. Maybe they will spend money better than her pimp.

And btw as for faith she had to drop totally her old ways. Adultery woman. And throw stone thing. Christ said stop sinning. Not you get a pass and continue whoring yourself.

Not even in RVF 1.0 p4p talk was allowed. Even worse incentivized. You can ignore threads in this joint. Great.
 
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Magoo is fundamentally correct, however.

Trusting a whore is a BIG mistake. You think you just unblocked her and she's magically texting you again? She sends out the same texts to 20 different men. She plays them all (you included) and makes a lot of money off the girlfriend experience.

Without God, you don't stand a chance against her @Recovering . Otherwise you're just lying to yourself. Bring her to Church; if she repents there is a small chance she can be saved. Otherwise it's 100% chance she'll do her best to destroy you.
 
I think @magoo is fundamentally correct about nothing and @Samseau , since when was it OK to insult people directly? I thought we weren't doing that here. We have a good new forum but there are some crazy folk running about here.

However, I am not promoting anything. My point was essentially, shit or get off the pot. If you're a hardcore Catholic then be one. If you're in love with a stripper and you like it, then do that.
 
Do not insult other members, including those who have been banned. Read the rules. 1-point friendly warning.
Your wrong.

You’re.

I´m not insinuating. You are a loser. And like all addicts you´re arrogant. Because your weak.

We’ll have to laugh. You’re (not your) a total toolbag from your writings. YOU are powerless in your own life and we can tell from your posts. Why else insult random members and act like some authority. That one post you wrote that was unbelievably vile and pornographic shows what an undeveloped spiritual man you are.

You think you are better than others. And your ego doesn´t let you see the truth. Like those idiots who want to win a casino. Or cunts who believe they can beat heroin.

I´m just saying what all the membership know is true. Because I get DM´s saying I´m right.

Yet the others are the arrogant ones? Piss off!


I didn´t call another member whore. Your stripper is a whore. Ski pro seems to be some king of suggar daddy. Another loser. But he is worse than you. I was right about him. Like I´m normally are.

Laughing again, who is the arrogant one?


But I´m the one who gets warnings.

A loser taking advices from another loser. Talking about blind leading the blind.

I would honestly don´t mind getting banned from this thread.

Wonderful, go back to the hole you came from.

Where are your parents? You don´t have a father? An older brother?

Please mods ban me from this thread. Thank you.

We shouldnt be lukewarm. This dude is going straight to pain. When you wake up it will be to late. If you had a time machine.

You know what you could do? Message the Tate brothers. They will hook you up. Maybe they will spend money better than her pimp.

You worship the Tate brother? Haha, yet you are spiritually developed? Go visit then in their Romanian prison, and join in.

And btw as for faith she had to drop totally her old ways. Adultery woman. And throw stone thing. Christ said stop sinning. Not you get a pass and continue whoring yourself.

Not even in RVF 1.0 p4p talk was allowed. Even worse incentivized. You can ignore threads in this joint. Great.
 
No ive never been addicted to whores. But we all have our vices... And I doubt you've read the entire set of posts on the thread.

My point to OP was that he's demonstrated he's not actually interested in changing.

Falling again and again does not mean someone is not interested in changing. It means the OP and people with addictions are human. There are several clergy who agree with me on this, would you like me to source them for you or are you more spiritually developed than a priest? Your approach to initiate change is dead on arrival and if you haven’t seen that, you will soon. Why do so many children of very strict and religious adults rebel? Because of tactics like yours.


I told him to delete the number, cut her out of his life and walk away.

It looks like he did and then unblocked, it’s called making a mistake. Only arrogant people like yourself or this Mr. Magoo fella claim they don’t.

He's not listening to my point and wants cheap sex with whores. That's fine. If you want to do that to ahead... But you shouldn't bitch about it when someone says "this needs to stop and you know it, and youre able to stop it..."

I see now, you really need to be authoritative and want people to listen to you. Who doesn’t that you have to try to make internet anons listen?


Again, to to the begining and all my advice in the whole thread. It's pretty direct.

Yep and all this direct advice just telling people to stop addictions has worked, considering the United States has a full blown drug and sexual deviancy epidemic.

Just tell them to stop. Yes, your type of advice has really worked! Just fess up that you are not spiritually developed and have no idea how to initiate change.

I am not yelling. It's text.

As I've said, this is something for someone to work out with their priest. All we are able to do is offer perspective.

Like that one moderator said most of the advice including yours was bad, very bad. At least he sees it.

Now, you're new so I have no idea about you... But yeah I'm not a larper at all...
 
Personally I would be wary of any 'I can save her' scenario.

This is likely more just you trying to bargain with the internal conflict you feel and give yourself a justification for carrying on seeing her based off thinking you might be able to reconcile it, if she goes to church with you.

I know its easier said than done, but chances are you need to delete all trace of her number (don't block because unblocking is easy) delete the number, wipe any texts, call logs or anything, and if you are really serious, change your number so she can't contact you.

I honestly don't see the scenario of her going to church panning out. This is just wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
 
Falling again and again does not mean someone is not interested in changing. It means the OP and people with addictions are human. There are several clergy who agree with me on this, would you like me to source them for you or are you more spiritually developed than a priest? Your approach to initiate change is dead on arrival and if you haven’t seen that, you will soon. Why do so many children of very strict and religious adults rebel? Because of tactics like yours.




It looks like he did and then unblocked, it’s called making a mistake. Only arrogant people like yourself or this Mr. Magoo fella claim they don’t.



I see now, you really need to be authoritative and want people to listen to you. Who doesn’t that you have to try to make internet anons listen?




Yep and all this direct advice just telling people to stop addictions has worked, considering the United States has a full blown drug and sexual deviancy epidemic.

Just tell them to stop. Yes, your type of advice has really worked! Just fess up that you are not spiritually developed and have no idea how to initiate change.



Like that one moderator said most of the advice including yours was bad, very bad. At least he sees it.
God bless and good luck. So far I don't see how you've offered anything to OP than to criticize my direct commentary.

OP is gonna do what he wants. Best course of action for him is to Delete strippers number, engage in Church, and get a hobby that surrounds him with healthy people.

Accuse me of larping all your like. I've got 6 kids, in the past life a former Marine Officer and have much knowledge of things which I speak from what actually works in leadership. As far as my spiritual development.... I am not professing to be a saint...I am surely Chief among sinners.

But my advice is indeed inline with my faith.

Again OPs solutions are through The Church, not an Internet forum. Continuing to engage in behavior that debases his own value is only going to hurt him at the opportunity cost of both salvation and self respect.

OP will continue to suffer until he realizes his own self worth through recognizing God's reflection on Him in us... And that in every woman there is the Theotokos.

I have undoubtedly wasted significantly more of my valuable time pontificating on a clear course of action that will solve a problem the afflicted party isn't interested in solving. Until said party finds the fortitude to overcome this, nothing we can offer will facilitate.


So with that, mc hammer pants.. good day!
 
Magoo is fundamentally correct, however.

Trusting a whore is a BIG mistake. You think you just unblocked her and she's magically texting you again? She sends out the same texts to 20 different men. She plays them all (you included) and makes a lot of money off the girlfriend experience.

Without God, you don't stand a chance against her @Recovering . Otherwise you're just lying to yourself. Bring her to Church; if she repents there is a small chance she can be saved. Otherwise it's 100% chance she'll do her best to destroy you.

You’re most likely correct. The other issue is, even if by some small chance she doesn’t have tons of men in the rotation which she claims but is extremely dubious, the thought would always haunt me or any guy about her past if things progressed further. Personally I believe only a small percentage of whores can turn their life around, with only Saint Mary of Egypt type dedication.

I chatted with her last night and told her things don’t feel right and we should cut it off. She was not happy, considering she was planning all these events in the future or trying to. It is what it is. She’s mid 20s, very attractive, and works an industry where she meets tons of men, she shouldn’t have any problems meeting someone.

I told her about my turning towards the church, and she seemed curious, but like I wrote I need to save myself now.

These posts, with the exception of the blatant insult from that one member are helping, I do have a question for the group.

I believe a lot of this is a lifestyle, plenty of disposable income, and time issue. The post by the marine above recommending healthier activities is correct in my mind, I don’t think confession and 1 hour a week at church is going to cut it, so…

Can someone assist me in forming a faith schedule? Before you ask, yes I have spoken to my priest about this but the church I go to has limited activities. On the positive side they have a daily mass, but the groups for men my age or just social groups are lacking.

My thinking is I work 8-4, or 9-5. I usually lift after or before work but it leaves plenty of free time where I can get into trouble. I was finding myself with lots of free time and being socially isolated and lonely was what started this mess of going to a strip club. A combination of healthy activities that are ideally faith based would help me combat this. Reading scripture and prayer alone are positive as well, but I believe it is my social isolation that began this negative spiral.

I have friends of course, however they are not religious so the activities they recommend are typical like going to a casino. I don’t think that is positive either, so I’m envisioning something like planning a daily faith activity after work every day?

Are there programs like this or has someone done this? I need some type of partial to full immersion. Thank you.
 
Most of the advice and commentary offered in this thread has been sincere and well-indended, and it's been a benefit to myself. It's up to the OP to take responsibility for whatever choices he makes. He's certainly not alone in his struggles.

"No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind." -1 Cor 10
 
I believe a lot of this is a lifestyle, plenty of disposable income, and time issue. The post by the marine above recommending healthier activities is correct in my mind, I don’t think confession and 1 hour a week at church is going to cut it, so…

Can someone assist me in forming a faith schedule? Before you ask, yes I have spoken to my priest about this but the church I go to has limited activities. On the positive side they have a daily mass, but the groups for men my age or just social groups are lacking.

My thinking is I work 8-4, or 9-5. I usually lift after or before work but it leaves plenty of free time where I can get into trouble. I was finding myself with lots of free time and being socially isolated and lonely was what started this mess of going to a strip club. A combination of healthy activities that are ideally faith based would help me combat this. Reading scripture and prayer alone are positive as well, but I believe it is my social isolation that began this negative spiral.

I have friends of course, however they are not religious so the activities they recommend are typical like going to a casino. I don’t think that is positive either, so I’m envisioning something like planning a daily faith activity after work every day?

Are there programs like this or has someone done this? I need some type of partial to full immersion. Thank you.

Until you find something faith related I suggest you get a part time gig to fill those early evening hours when vice tempts you. Or try volunteering. Just don't sit alone in your house when you know you're gonna be tempted.

Aside from your time for scripture, church related activities, social obligations, work, and the gym, you need to do something productive.
 
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