The Reaction To "Game" & Other Past Vile Behaviour - After Enlightenment - Thread

I've seen comments, here but mostly on other social media platforms, that a lot of dudes are lonely, lack any kind of network, and frankly, lack the ability to gain friends and social circles on their own. In a way, Game was designed to work on getting dates with women (at least Roosh's, his was less one-night stands and more of a 3-date bang), but Game can also be used to make friends and grow your social circle. My wife naturally games people in the sense that she gives them a good first impression, shows genuine interest in them, asks them questions and grows a small bond, especially if there is anything in common (in our case, having a kid in the same school). Because of this, we've grown a network of people and we've only lived in an area for a year and our business is gaining success to due to her natural outgoingness.

I had always hoped to see PUA and Game to lead to Christianized offshoots to help good men find wives, but the guys who were the most successful at it had no intention to do that. I had hoped when Roosh became Christian he would have gone in this direction, but he went full monk-mode. Vox Day, a Christian who knows all about Game and created a socio-sexual hierarchy, proved his lack of leadership abilities, heck, maybe even a lack of love for others by doing very little to help young men find a spouse. I never understood the intention to help ALL men instead of focusing on one group of men (Christians).

Essentially, I think Game could have evolved into a 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' 2.0 but it remained unpurified and focused on lust. There was this guy, Married Man Sex Life, Vox had briefly promoted on his blog, but the guy was an atheist.

I guess all I'm saying, or concluding, from this is I learned about Game when I already had a fiance. But what I had wished at the time was that I could have known about Game years before I met my current wife, this is because there were scores of girls I would have wanted to meet before I met her, who may have been better for my Christian life, but I was too green and bluepilled to do anything. That's where I think the ball was dropped greatly.
 
I don't have a disgust for "game" per se, depending how you define it, but I do have a disgust for that 2000s era PUA/PU mindset, which is still pervasive in some places. It's autistic, ideological, and insulting because it discounts the experiences and unique circumstances of the individual for the sake of axioms that are stated as absolute fact "that's just the way it is bro". Plus, that crowd teaches NOTHING about actually keeping women or long-term relationship advice in general.

If you define "game" as all knowledge and behavior related to dealing with women, then I don't have a problem with it. I think men are in desperate need of a deep level philosophy that teaches how to deal and relate to women and understand their behavior. Things like setting boundaries, holding frame, dealing with shvt tests, vetting for high quality women, detecting gaslighting/poison dripping, detecting signs of infidelity, trusting your gut, etc are skills most men seem blissfully unaware of, and these are things every man needs to know about.
 
Bizet said:
I’m considering compiling a list of the most prominent PUAs from the 2000s and 2010s to see where they are now and how many seem genuinely happy.
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That would be awesome. I think one of the issues full blown PUAs had was that picking up girls / getting laid was actually their job. Therefore, there was no final goal or exit strategy.

On the other hand, as I've said before, the benefits for shy, introverted guys of just getting out there and speaking to women, even if just for 3 minutes in the beginning and then 30 minutes after a couple of months of practice, while getting active coachiglng or feedback on online forums, were simply priceless.

Now I feel somewhat sorry for those men who really have no hope of meeting a decent woman at any point nor do they have a community that can help them, which is what those online forums were essentially, if used correctly.

Even just thinking about the book recommendations about female psychology, core differences between men and women etc. it definitely had value.

In addition, I get the impression that the hard-core online simping, thirsting etc. has increased partially as a result of guys being completely clueless about how to approach women.
 
Bizet said:
I’m considering compiling a list of the most prominent PUAs from the 2000s and 2010s to see where they are now and how many seem genuinely happy.
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Would be a worthwhile project - especially if we ever end up having a blog/website for this forum in the same way Return of Kings was for Roosh forums. It's something that could be posted up on there. I can't shake the dark feeling that this article would looking something like those lists of dead porn stars you see sometimes popping up on the internet though.
 
Bizet said:
I’m considering compiling a list of the most prominent PUAs from the 2000s and 2010s to see where they are now and how many seem genuinely happy.
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Great idea. My guess is it’s hard to escape that life and become a married man. Some of them built multi-million dollar businesses so there is constant temptation. I don’t know of any that became religious.
 
Droughtmeat said:
Now I feel somewhat sorry for those men who really have no hope of meeting a decent woman at any point nor do they have a community that can help them, which is what those online forums were essentially, if used correctly.
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If we're honest, and not many talk about this - because quite frankly, only types like us are capable of this analysis - we entered a quasi war time of population boom, abundance, and far too many men. Why does that explain everything? Hypergamy and increased wealth/deference guarantees a lockout of an overwhelming majority of men. That's just who and what women are. On this hang all the postings.

If you can't find a woman at all, or a suitable woman, you therefore have to go to a different place. Why did PUA even bother with constant distraction, constant approaching, obsessive levels of approaching the random girl for a numbers game (and if smart you'd go central location and meet a bar where alcohol can lubricate the exchange)? It was equally as dumb as online "dating" which turned out to be just "let me get some meals and a dream, and see how long it takes before we bang". LooksMaximus always made more sense if you were looking for just stupid sex anyway. I don't get why that was even a question. If the spectrum of girls is fatties you won't bang, and annoying girls you will but aren't actually interested in, or are vapid and materialistic, why are you spending excess time, money, and energy on them? Never made any sense to me.
 
Josephus said:
I don’t know of any that became religious.
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Quite a few did. I'm pretty sure the guy on Piers Morgan's show either was religious, and/or married a Russian girl (Richard La Ruina). In 2017 he rated the top countries Russia/Latvia/Denmark/China/Sweden.

There were at least two other guys that became christians, maybe Orthodox. That RSD short guy, Owen or something, also became a christian. Most of the PUAs I ever saw were not very believable, to be honest. I always thought the claims and videos were a hoax, like they are 95% of the time.
 
One of the things I really like about the sincere women at church is that none of this pickup garbage matters. Like a weight off your shoulders being able to have normal conversations without any stupid games. Yes, there will be awkward moments at first, but that's part of life. And the women don't hold it against you.

The hard part is finding out which women are sincere Christians but it gets easier with practice.
 
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