The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

[TruckDriver9]

I appreciate this point of view. I predict Trump will be Bibi's slave and that this notion of Trump getting revenge against someone as powerful as Bibi isn't going to happen. He can bully little guys and hold a grudge, a nobody like Obama. But against a heavy weight like Bibi, he will back down.

We don't have to agree with each other on everything. Would be boring if we did.
Now, in this particular case, I simply don't see Bibi as an all-powerful demiurge. He never had any personal power, it was institutional - it was the power of a zionist leader, but this is coming to an end. He is widely unpopular at home, despised by both the zionist right, and the globalist left, with a mountain of crimal charges against him. His days are over, and it would be the perfect time for Trump to have his revange - for example supporting one of Bibi's rivals.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

We don't have to agree with each other on everything. Would be boring if we did.
Now, in this particular case, I simply don't see Bibi as an all-powerful demiurge. He never had any personal power, it was institutional - it was the power of a zionist leader, but this is coming to an end. He is widely unpopular at home, despised by both the zionist right, and the globalist left, with a mountain of crimal charges against him. His days are over, and it would be the perfect time for Trump to have his revange - for example supporting one of Bibi's rivals.

I thought I had saw a poll that showed that post October 7, his popularity was up big time in Israel. I could be wrong on that, and I would have no idea where to find this poll I thought I saw. Is this incorrect?

 

[TruckDriver9]

I thought I had saw a poll that showed that post October 7, his popularity was up big time in Israel. I could be wrong on that, and I would have no idea where to find this poll I thought I saw. Is this incorrect?

He had a bump last year when the war begun, but after a year of continuous fighting, with kids coming back home in bodybags, hostages still held captive and no end in sight; the trends had shifted. I obviously don't know which Israeli polls are reliable, but I've seen some, when browsing for news, and they show the Likud-led block below the victory threshold.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

He had a bump last year when the war begun, but after a year of continuous fighting, with kids coming back home in bodybags, hostages still held captive and no end in sight; the trends had shifted. I obviously don't know which Israeli polls are reliable, but I've seen some, when browsing for news, and they show the Likud-led block below the victory threshold.

I do know, and I posted it here already, that Israel was about 75% Trump and 25% Kamala. My guess is they more expect Trump to help them than Kamala.

 

[Andrew Ho]

What are you asking? You realize 1960's technology allowed jets to fly around the globe and refuel in the air, correct? You are asking how China could transport drones across the ocean? Is that seriously what you are asking?

I'm a fan of China, I like the fact they are very strong pro-family, pro-male, and do a decent job of putting their people first whereas the USA is a satanic disaster. I'm not saying China wants global domination, I'm saying throughout all human history, the stronger civilization always overtakes the weaker civilization. Why would we expect this human design to change?

I don't see China attacking Russia or other current allies in an attempt to take over the world. I could see them taking out the satanic USA, who causes them a lot of problems, when the shoe is on the other foot.

I’ll bite one last time.

You’re seriously making the argument that China can subdue the US Army and occupy the mainland US just by bots and drones. Alright, how many bots/drones are we talking about here? What would you think is an adequate number? I’d dare venture a guess that it’ll be in the millions, possibly even more. The US Army is a shell of its former self, but any old lion still has serious bite to his bark. China’ll need millions of bots/drones if they want to have any chance. We all can agree here about China’s wealth, but they’re definitely not wealthy enough to build an army of millions of bots/drones and the ensuing associated costs of maintenance.

Next, logistics. You say that China can transport this robot army by air. Ok, where’s this air force you speak of? Where are the thousands and thousands of transportation aircraft needed for this colossal operation?

I obviously don’t know how much money China has, but I can make an educated guess that the cost of building a millions-strong robot army, a millions-strong drone air force, and the supporting transportation aircrafts will bankrupt them.

Lastly, you say that China has it out for the US and will look for revenge because the US government has been giving them a lot of problems. While I don’t disagree with that, your mistake is thinking that represents the will of the entire Chinese power circles. Chinese politics is definitely not monolithic; there is a substantial pro-US faction, the Shanghai Clique of Hu Jintao. Yes, China is just as complicit as India when it comes to fence-sitting. So between Xi’s and Hu’s factions, certain compromises all but guarantee against kinetic war versus the US. Instead, they definitely will seek revenge in other avenues.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I’ll bite one last time.

You’re seriously making the argument that China can subdue the US Army and occupy the mainland US just by bots and drones. Alright, how many bots/drones are we talking about here? What would you think is an adequate number? I’d dare venture a guess that it’ll be in the millions, possibly even more. The US Army is a shell of its former self, but any old lion still has serious bite to his bark. China’ll need millions of bots/drones if they want to have any chance. We all can agree here about China’s wealth, but they’re definitely not wealthy enough to build an army of millions of bots/drones and the ensuing associated costs of maintenance.

Next, logistics. You say that China can transport this robot army by air. Ok, where’s this air force you speak of? Where are the thousands and thousands of transportation aircraft needed for this colossal operation?

I obviously don’t know how much money China has, but I can make an educated guess that the cost of building a millions-strong robot army, a millions-strong drone air force, and the supporting transportation aircrafts will bankrupt them.

Lastly, you say that China has it out for the US and will look for revenge because the US government has been giving them a lot of problems. While I don’t disagree with that, your mistake is thinking that represents the will of the entire Chinese power circles. Chinese politics is definitely not monolithic; there is a substantial pro-US faction, the Shanghai Clique of Hu Jintao. Yes, China is just as complicit as India when it comes to fence-sitting. So between Xi’s and Hu’s factions, certain compromises all but guarantee against kinetic war versus the US. Instead, they definitely will seek revenge in other avenues.

No, that isn't what I said at all.

I said that superior civilizations always conquered inferior civilizations across the globe. This is just normal human tribal behavior. It happened 10,000 years ago; it is happening today.

The IQ and quality of life in the USA is falling off a cliff. Our military technology is falling behind due to it. There is no "unified people" in the USA, just a new tower of Babel with racial demographics at each others throats in a competition for resources.

In a matter of time, probably 20 to 30 years, China will greatly surpass the USA in technology. And I don't mean they will be slightly better, they will be like the USA soldiers with repeating rifles fighting Native Americans with bows and arrows. It will not be a war, but a conquest at that rate. The only way this doesn't become a fact of life is if the USA stops third world immigration and repatriates millions, which I don't see happening.

When this all comes to fruition, which again, will be in 20 to 30 years, maybe even 50 years, I don't see China just sitting there saying "wow, look at all that fertile land, with tons of minerals, that our people badly need, but nah, we will just sit here and do nothing". I would expect China to come take it. Maybe Russia, but Russia doesn't have the man power China has. And I wouldn't expect nice White guy occupation and colonization, I would more expect it to be a much cheaper and more efficient genocide of the lazy/low IQ Americans (in their eyes that is what we are becoming).

Does anyone really expect a vastly superior civilization to sit there and let some of the most valuable land on the planet be wasted by low IQ third world people?

 

[RedLagoon]

I’ll bite one last time.

You’re seriously making the argument that China can subdue the US Army and occupy the mainland US just by bots and drones. Alright, how many bots/drones are we talking about here? What would you think is an adequate number? I’d dare venture a guess that it’ll be in the millions, possibly even more. The US Army is a shell of its former self, but any old lion still has serious bite to his bark. China’ll need millions of bots/drones if they want to have any chance. We all can agree here about China’s wealth, but they’re definitely not wealthy enough to build an army of millions of bots/drones and the ensuing associated costs of maintenance.

Next, logistics. You say that China can transport this robot army by air. Ok, where’s this air force you speak of? Where are the thousands and thousands of transportation aircraft needed for this colossal operation?

I obviously don’t know how much money China has, but I can make an educated guess that the cost of building a millions-strong robot army, a millions-strong drone air force, and the supporting transportation aircrafts will bankrupt them.

Lastly, you say that China has it out for the US and will look for revenge because the US government has been giving them a lot of problems. While I don’t disagree with that, your mistake is thinking that represents the will of the entire Chinese power circles. Chinese politics is definitely not monolithic; there is a substantial pro-US faction, the Shanghai Clique of Hu Jintao. Yes, China is just as complicit as India when it comes to fence-sitting. So between Xi’s and Hu’s factions, certain compromises all but guarantee against kinetic war versus the US. Instead, they definitely will seek revenge in other avenues.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

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Seeing the insane technology China already has and uses daily v. the trash life in the USA + seeing how easily Russia and Iran are destroying our best military equipment means this would be a very realistic outcome in 20 to 50 years.

 

[Cooper]

Seeing the insane technology China already has and uses daily v. the trash life in the USA + seeing how easily Russia and Iran are destroying our best military equipment means this would be a very realistic outcome in 20 to 50 years.

The battlefront is in the auto, chip, AI, passenger jet, machinery sectors and the monetary system, not in Risk-like battles/invasion.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

The battlefront is in the auto, chip, AI, passenger jet, machinery sectors and the monetary system, not in Risk-like battles/invasion.

Yes. If BRICS can crush the USD, then the USA will collapse from within on its own. When you have overnight 30% inflation due to loss of the world reserve currency status, all bets are off as to if the USA can even survive. And many times Putin and Jinping have said this is their goal. To destroy the USA, you simply destroy the USD. Imagine all the welfare 80 IQ people when their EBT cards are cutoff overnight.

I never foresaw China going into a big battle with the USA and coming out victorious. I foresee China sitting back and watching the USA become a third world hellhole, due to third world immigration and "everybody equal" and then after things here collapse from within, the just come and take the land with very minimum effort.

 

[TheLoneReader]

Yes. If BRICS can crush the USD, then the USA will collapse from within on its own. When you have overnight 30% inflation due to loss of the world reserve currency status, all bets are off as to if the USA can even survive. And many times Putin and Jinping have said this is their goal. To destroy the USA, you simply destroy the USD. Imagine all the welfare 80 IQ people when their EBT cards are cutoff overnight.

I never foresaw China going into a big battle with the USA and coming out victorious. I foresee China sitting back and watching the USA become a third world hellhole, due to third world immigration and "everybody equal" and then after things here collapse from within, the just come and take the land with very minimum effort.

There was a Chinese professor who had a paper on this very idea (I do not have the link anywhere, maybe someone else has seen it). To sum it up, America and the West were destroying themselves, and China needed not get in any direct war/conflicts. America and the West would fall in due time on their own because of the rot from within.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

There was a Chinese professor who had a paper on this very idea (I do not have the link anywhere, maybe someone else has seen it). To sum it up, America and the West were destroying themselves, and China needed not get in any direct war/conflicts. America and the West would fall in due time on their own because of the rot from within.

Exactly, and then afterwards they can come and take over this very beautiful and valuable land. If we don't appreciate it, and let the third world move here (legally or illegally) then they will just come take it with little to no resistance.

That is what Europeans did from the late 1400's until the USA was founded, why wouldn't they do the same?