The future of flying

Mexican-flagged Angel flight carrying a pediatric patient who was just finished with a procedure in the US back to Mexico, so tragic and sad no matter what else.

Honestly, the people on the ground? Probably cleaned up that patch of Philly with the fire. Not even sorry for saying that.

My worthless armchair opinion? Uncontained engine failure causing an explosion, the final corkscrew (differential thrust), and crash.

Condolences to the pilots, crew, and patient on board.
 
So the Tranny black hawk pilot story was fake. But it is also gay. Does that break the algorithm?

I still haven't heard of ID on the blackhawk pilot. Probably they are investigating everything possible before they disclose his/her ID. Any updates on that?
 
Pointy Elbows said:
I still haven't heard of ID on the blackhawk pilot. Probably they are investigating everything possible before they disclose his/her ID. Any updates on that?
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TruckDriver9 said:
Family can withhold release of the name.
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They released it.
The third soldier aboard the Black Hawk that crashed into the American Airlines plane has been identified as Capt. Rebecca Lobach, who previously worked as a White House aide in the Biden admin.
Lobach, 28, served as an aviation officer in the Army.
“We are devastated by the loss of our beloved Rebecca. She was a bright star in all our lives. Rebecca was a warrior and would not hesitate to defend her country in battle," her family said.
According to CBS, Lobach served as a White House social aide under the Biden administration. Last month, she escorted Ralph Lauren when he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Biden.
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Samseau said:
There were two other experienced pilots onboard and they couldn't take control from her?
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The reporting on this whole story is extremely confusing. The Blackhawk helicopter has two seats in the front for the pilot and the copilot, and then there is one non-rated crew member in back. Depending on the current mission, the crew member in back may operate a machine gun, carry out search and rescue activities with the hoist and rescue basket on the side, or handle sling load cargo operations. If none of these activities is being carried out, the crew member still has the responsibility to watch out the sides of the helicopter, and watch for possible collision risks, including other aircraft, radio towers, power lines, and collision threats during landing and takeoff.

There are not three pilots. Normally speaking, while there are two pilots, the head pilot is the one actually flying the aircraft. The reports I've seen are full of such obvious errors that I can't tell what was going on. My guess is that this young female White House aide, who is also an Army Reserve pilot, was in the co-pilot seat, and was not flying the aircraft. If she did actually have control of the aircraft at the moment of impact, they should say so, but even then the head pilot would have responsibility for the flight at all times.

The failure to understand which commercial aircraft the tower was warning about lies on the head pilot. The fact they had ADS-B turned off is on the head pilot as well.
 
Samseau said:
There were two other experienced pilots onboard and they couldn't take control from her?
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That was my question too. I had a conversation about this with a pilot today and he said helo pilots apparently cannot visually see well above them due to the effect of the rotor . Could have obstructed everyone’s vision until it was too late to correct. It remains that the chopper was above the ceiling and appeared to have been heading somewhat level with the plane until the point of impact. You would think they would have seen something at some time before it was too late, but maybe not.

It’s insane to me that these helicopters were allowed to operate at all around a commercial airport. Lots of lights in the city and around the airspace to keep track of. It would seem like something like this was bound to happen sometime, all that would be required was a pilot relaxing and not paying attention to the relevant factors for a few brief moments.
 
Thomas More said:
My guess is that this young female White House aide, who is also an Army Reserve pilot, was in the co-pilot seat, and was not flying the aircraft. If she did actually have control of the aircraft at the moment of impact, they should say so, but even then the head pilot would have responsibility for the flight at all times.
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From what I've been reading, this was an evaluation flight. She was flying the helo from the co-pilot's seat, with the instructor watching her from the first pilot's seat, from where he could take over the control.
 


In air traffic control (ATC), “requested visual separation” means that a pilot is asking for permission to maintain their own safe distance from other aircraft using visual cues rather than relying on ATC instructions.

This usually happens in good weather when pilots can clearly see other aircraft. ATC may approve it if they believe the pilot can safely manage the separation without additional help.
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TruckDriver9 said:
From what I've been reading, this was an evaluation flight. She was flying the helo from the co-pilot's seat, with the instructor watching her from the first pilot's seat, from where he could take over the control.
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That makes sense. I would say in that case it was the instructor's responsibility to have figured out why the tower kept warning them about another plane, just as he was flying through the landing path of a major airport with ADS-B turned off.

She may have had the controls at the moment of impact, but the responsibility is all his in that role.
 

Investigators have found conflicting altimeter readings from the control tower data of the Black Hawk military helicopter and the passenger jet that collided over Washington on Jan. 29.

National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials told reporters on Feb. 1 that preliminary altimeter data do not match the events on the night of the deadly accident.

Officials said the control tower recorded the Black Hawk helicopter flying at an altitude of 200 feet at the time of the collision, in line with its maximum allowed altitude for its flight path.

However, data from the passenger jet’s flight recorder show the collision occurred at an altitude of about 325 feet, plus or minus 25 feet.
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