That is not what I have been reading. Can you link to some sources with evidence of this?
carnivore diet discussion thread
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Antioxidant status and odour profile in fresh beef from pasture or grain-fed cattle
“Recent research has shown that study participants on a ketogenic diet had higher vitamin C levels than participants on a moderate-carb diet, even when getting only 4% of calories from carbohydrates, making it difficult to get substantial amounts of vitamin C from nonanimal sources”
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“Recent research has shown that study participants on a ketogenic diet had higher vitamin C levels than participants on a moderate-carb diet, even when getting only 4% of calories from carbohydrates, making it difficult to get substantial amounts of vitamin C from nonanimal sources”
Effects of a high-protein, low-carbohydrate v. high-protein, moderate-carbohydrate weight-loss diet on antioxidant status, endothelial markers and plasma indices of the cardiometabolic profile - PubMed
There are concerns that weight-loss (WL) diets based on very low carbohydrate (LC) intake have a negative impact on antioxidant status and biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic health. Obese men (n 16) participated in a randomised, cross-over design diet trial, with food provided daily, at...
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Cooking significantly degrades Vitamin C so you would need to measure vitamin C in cooked meat (especially if its cooked medium or well done).Antioxidant status and odour profile in fresh beef from pasture or grain-fed cattle
“Recent research has shown that study participants on a ketogenic diet had higher vitamin C levels than participants on a moderate-carb diet, even when getting only 4% of calories from carbohydrates, making it difficult to get substantial amounts of vitamin C from nonanimal sources”
Effects of a high-protein, low-carbohydrate v. high-protein, moderate-carbohydrate weight-loss diet on antioxidant status, endothelial markers and plasma indices of the cardiometabolic profile - PubMed
There are concerns that weight-loss (WL) diets based on very low carbohydrate (LC) intake have a negative impact on antioxidant status and biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic health. Obese men (n 16) participated in a randomised, cross-over design diet trial, with food provided daily, at...
The second link is interesting however. I would like to see more research on it but its a good start to validate what you are saying. Intuitively you would think people on a carnivore diet would have low vitamin C but it appears it may not be the case (although probably more evidence is needed at this point).
Keep in mind plants have anti-nutrients that chelate and prevent absorption of vitamins and minerals. The supposed nutrient content of plants does not account for bioavailability.
That is true.
But the biggest gripes I have with the carnivore diet is that firstly the human body from a physiology and biology standpoint is designed to be omnivorous so that doesn't line up neatly with carnivore diet being optimal.
Secondly there is clear evidence that people with various autoimmune diseases and other specific health issues benefit from carnivore diet but beyond that there is little solid evidence that people who are generally healthy and eat an otherwise healthy diet (minimal processed foods, etc) get any additional benefit from being carnivore.
For example is there any solid evidence to suggest that the average Japanese person would live longer or be healthier on a carnivore diet? Sure if you have epilepsy or severe leaky gut syndrome carnivore may be a great idea. But to say its a great idea for everyone is getting into the realm of something speculative for which there is insufficient evidence.
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Antioxidant status and odour profile in fresh beef from pasture or grain-fed cattle
“Recent research has shown that study participants on a ketogenic diet had higher vitamin C levels than participants on a moderate-carb diet, even when getting only 4% of calories from carbohydrates, making it difficult to get substantial amounts of vitamin C from nonanimal sources”
Effects of a high-protein, low-carbohydrate v. high-protein, moderate-carbohydrate weight-loss diet on antioxidant status, endothelial markers and plasma indices of the cardiometabolic profile - PubMed
There are concerns that weight-loss (WL) diets based on very low carbohydrate (LC) intake have a negative impact on antioxidant status and biomarkers of cardiovascular and metabolic health. Obese men (n 16) participated in a randomised, cross-over design diet trial, with food provided daily, at...
Sauerkraut is loaded with vitamin C, and has few calories. Kiwi and Lemon are fruits with super low calories as well and have vitamin C. So if someone evades grains and sticks to those foods it’s possible to get vitamin C in high amounts while being low carb/keto.
The thing I like the most about eating a lot of meat and eggs is how easy it makes cooking. And because of that, I look forward to making meals and have the energy for it every day. It also makes grocery shopping quick and easy.
Pretty simple and fast to make steak and eggs, bacon and eggs, ground beef, etc. I used to get lazy sometimes when I was cooking other types of food.
Pretty simple and fast to make steak and eggs, bacon and eggs, ground beef, etc. I used to get lazy sometimes when I was cooking other types of food.
My cooking went from total 1-2 hrs a day to 20 minutes or less
And shopping is about 5 minutes, with very little waste/spoilage since I know exactly how much I need ready to cook vs frozen.
I'm considering going mostly carnivore to see how it affects my gut health. One recurring problem in my life has been digestive issues and I've been compelled to give carnivore a try in lieu of the following video:
I had a close friend fall ill to diverticulitis, and recently a neighbor…will probably have a colostomy bag for a year, assuming what’s left of their intestines survive…
This doesn’t happen to carnivores
I’m trying carnivore starting today. The only problem I have with it is it’s so bland. In an earlier post, I was told herbs and spices are anti nutrients. The food must be bland. Can I at least use salt lemon and capers? Or are those banned plant products? Also fruit, I could put some blue berries or black berries in my yogurt? I’m also orthodox so yes, shellfish Wednesday and Friday. Also what about salad and olive oil? If garlic and onions are allowed and not anti nutrition, I could do this.
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You don't have to be a strict carnivore. I just base my meals heavily around meat and eggs. The most important thing is to avoid processed food, high carbs and seed oils as much as possible.
And the good thing about red meat is it already tastes good, so it doesn't need much seasoning if you don't want to. I never get tired of it. Or eggs.
Meat, eggs, fruit and honey is a great diet.
And the good thing about red meat is it already tastes good, so it doesn't need much seasoning if you don't want to. I never get tired of it. Or eggs.
Meat, eggs, fruit and honey is a great diet.
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There are some crazy ideas out there in the internet diet discussions.. Spice it up all you want. Chili even increases metabolism.
Probably not sugary barbecue sauces zero calorie things like pepper, tobasco, why not..
I used to really compensate for my unbalanced diets with salt till I half poisoned myself with it. Wrote about it in the fasting thread on here. So since that happened, and I learned that some cultures have a (ritual) suicide with salt, (a few teaspoons), and that death occurs via a swelling of the brain, I have been avoiding salt. Not completely, but go crazy with pepper but not with salt. Salt also makes you temporarily heavier. Just causes the production of more blood or retention of water. Not sure exactly what it does but it temporarily raises your blood pressure and increases your weight.
It would be crazy to deprive yourself of berries in the yogurt unless you were very intensely trying to cut or drop weight.
Anyone got any advice on chicken wings? Buffalo sauce is just butter and something like franks red hot. It seems like a good option when eating out as most places don’t bread the chicken wings like fried chicken.
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My friend has been doing carnivore for over 9 months and has lost over 75lbs so far. He eats out a lot and recommends BBQ restaurants (because they are one of the few places you can order just meats) and also eats Buffalo wings at other restaurants if options are limited. He isn’t super strict and does use condiments on meats (sauces etc).
I feel like the whole purpose of carnivore is to throw snacky foods and the unwanted calories in carbohydrate heavy foods overboard. It’s calories in calories out. It seems like the whole gimmick of carnivore is calories out will be > calories in because you’re satisfied eating these protein rich foods faster than eating legumes and grains.
Example -
Can of beans 420 cal
Bread 120 cal for complete protein
Veggies in the mix 60 cal
25g of protein
Or you can just eat a steak for 550 cal and 67g of protein and not eat again until next meal. And your body will pull body fat for energy because of less immediately available carbs. At least that’s my understanding.
From what I have read, it appears that consuming too much protein can lead to health problems later in life.
The positive effects of carnivore are probably that it is an elimination diet. So if you are eating less sugar or other damaging foods as a result, you feel better. But I'm not convinced it's healthy especially compared to more of a plant based diet.
The positive effects of carnivore are probably that it is an elimination diet. So if you are eating less sugar or other damaging foods as a result, you feel better. But I'm not convinced it's healthy especially compared to more of a plant based diet.
So what’s you guys take on Paleo? I find that more sustainable than carnivore after doing it for a week. Vegetables, fruit, and meat. If you can’t find it in nature, can’t have it. Sure, once upon a time cave men did make themselves bread and would eat wild tubers found lying around, but I feel like it would be more like potatoes, turnips, cassava, etc, and the bread would be like a whole wheat or acorn pancake and fun stuff like that. No processed bread that needs friggin fortified and no sweets or snacky foods. Unfortunately paleos just not as cool as it once was, but it seems like a great introduction to clean eating.
I think that gets you 90% of the benefits. No processed foods, sugar, or seed oils. I don’t think it’s 100% optimal, but it’s better than 99% of the population eats.