That narrative is madness. Nothing wrong with steak and steamed carrots. I had a distant relative who died of colon cancer, although I can well imagine that guy had a bad diet in general, but it did get me thinking about this. We are not pure carnivores like lions nor pure herbivores like horses. Yes, have a meat focused diet but be careful about taking unusual trends on the internet too seriously.
carnivore diet discussion thread
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I avoid vegetables altogether. They have toxins like lectins, oxalates, and compounds that bind to nutrients that prevents them from being used.
You don't eat any vegetables at all?
Carnivore diet is only eating meat, eggs, fish, dairy, etc. Some people take it farther and only eat red meat and eggs, or even just red meat. No fruit or vegetables. I thought it was tough to only do carnivore, so I eat about 70-80% meat and eggs.
I don't think there is a perfect diet. It depends on the person, what they like eating and what makes their body feel best. But the idea behind carnivore is great, and it is a great foundation to base your diet around.
I don't think there is a perfect diet. It depends on the person, what they like eating and what makes their body feel best. But the idea behind carnivore is great, and it is a great foundation to base your diet around.
It's a meme diet , and most secretly consume large quantities of honey and fruit just to function
It's basically avoiding plants, sugar and anything processed. The simple Carnivore version is eating different types of fatty meat, butter, eggs and/or Fish - whatever works best. Some people add sugar free Electrolytes. The extreme version of the Carnivore Diet is called the Lion Diet - Only Beef, Salt and Water.
I would say some, but not most. I think if you are very athletic, it is helpful to consume more carbs than a pure <25g carb keto diet. This takes you out of ketosis. Typically hunters got this dose of carbs from the glycogen in fresh muscle meat (glycogen has a half life of 12 hours, so grocery store meat has none). Also I think latitude plays a role, in that you need more if you live near the equator.
Fruit and honey have other things in them that slow the absorption of sugar into the blood compared to processed food (low “glycemic index”). This prevents an overproduction of insulin. Typical sugar/processed food puts you on a rollercoaster of high blood sugar, causing a massive insulin dump, then low blood sugar, causing you to feel hunger and eat more engineered poison.
I was skeptical until I had a reason to try it for a month…just a Hail Mary. Then I felt like I did in my 20s, my testosterone is noticeably higher, energy level, motivation. If you feel great, no reason to try it. But if you don’t, why not?
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It's dangerous for the mind for the eyes to see such absurdities.
If shitting is unnecessary why do we have an a-hole? Is it just like some kind of emergency relief valve which is not supposed to be used under normal operation..
22x "Stay Blessed" - blessed but full of shit!
There are people out there struggling with their diets, struggling to lose weight, to become healthy or to stay healthy. And to stay sane. They don't need to have absurdities such as this placed in front of them.
The mind is also weak, for example it is smart to minimise exposure to the MSM even if you are thoroughly red pilled. During the covid period many of us unvaxxed felt the mind weakening at times even if we managed not to crack, although of course many did.
Yes the mainstream narrative on diet contains a lot of lies and things which won't help you. Nevertheless coming up with some brand new absurdity which is so absurd some may not even recognise it as a dangerous lie may tempt the unwary to carry it out.
Maybe some of you have a very short length of intestine / tubing whereby you can skip fiber and basically eat like a lion, a pure carnivore, and feel okay and function. That's not true for most of us. Anyway, even a lion which likely eats no plant matter has an a-hole and shits, fiber or no fiber.
Keep questioning everything though.
Please keep in mind there are various medical conditions where eating carbs is actually harmful. I am definitely one of those people. I'm not going to go into extreme detail about my medical history so you can either take my word for it, or not; I'm good either way. I will just say I function 100x better when I eat zero (or as little as possible) carbs. For me, it's not really an option. I can do it for a little while but it makes me feel horrible and causes all kind of health problems and I get progressively more un-well and I have to massively compensate with various vitamins and minerals and supplements and pain meds. It's really not fun!
And no, I'm not diabetic or pre-diabetic. I actually don't eat a lot of sweets in general. I have excellent fasting blood glucose levels and can handle sweets just fine from that aspect. It has gotten progessively worse as I've gotten older. I should probably go to the doctor and find out what is actually wrong with me, but my thinking is that I'm fine (great, even) when I do keto. So I don't want to mess around with doctors and God know what they'd try to do to me. Many of those people are evil and I don't trust them.
Jesus said that prayer and fasting are the only ways to conquer certain (many, in my experience) kinds of demons. I know it's a bit backwards for most Orthodox but for me, "fasting" means avoiding carbs as much as possible and eating keto. I've spoken to several priests about this over the years because I felt bad for not fastiing the "normal" Orthodox way and it boils down to each person should do what is appropriate for their health and medical situation. Also for example, if you need to take medicine every day, it's okay to do that on Sunday morning before communion (but talk to your priest first if you have concerns).
It's kind of funny for me because I know a lot of people who think Orthodox fasting is "fun" because they get to have stuff like candy, coca-cola, and all sorts of junk. And that is just fine, but I always found that particularly ironic and backwards. I would like nothing more than to eat a bunch of carbs - I love them. So only eating meat instead, while seemingly backwards, is actually a big sacrifice for me. It takes a lot of joy out of eating and it gets old after a while. Jesus also said the wages of sin is death, and I get a taste of that every time I "sin" by eating a lot of carbs. So the bottom line for me it's really my choice (free will) if I want to live longer and be heathly and feel well, or die a slow agonizing death by eating goyslop and poisoning myself.
Anyway, I am not advocating against "normal" Orthodox fasting for everyone, and we should definitely try to follow the teachings of Christ and the Church as much as possible, and everyone is different and should do what is best for them, and talk to your spiritual father, etc. I just thought I would respond for people who may be in my position, or may be thinking you "need" carbs to live and function, or that it's somehow a bad thing to avoid them. As if you can't be Orthodox if you don't fast from meat. And I don't know as much about carnivore, but it seems very similar to keto and keto is definitely NOT a meme. As long as you get good nutrition (take supplements if needed) you will thrive on just meat, eggs, dairy, fish, nuts, a few berries or some greens here and there, etc.
And no, I'm not diabetic or pre-diabetic. I actually don't eat a lot of sweets in general. I have excellent fasting blood glucose levels and can handle sweets just fine from that aspect. It has gotten progessively worse as I've gotten older. I should probably go to the doctor and find out what is actually wrong with me, but my thinking is that I'm fine (great, even) when I do keto. So I don't want to mess around with doctors and God know what they'd try to do to me. Many of those people are evil and I don't trust them.
Jesus said that prayer and fasting are the only ways to conquer certain (many, in my experience) kinds of demons. I know it's a bit backwards for most Orthodox but for me, "fasting" means avoiding carbs as much as possible and eating keto. I've spoken to several priests about this over the years because I felt bad for not fastiing the "normal" Orthodox way and it boils down to each person should do what is appropriate for their health and medical situation. Also for example, if you need to take medicine every day, it's okay to do that on Sunday morning before communion (but talk to your priest first if you have concerns).
It's kind of funny for me because I know a lot of people who think Orthodox fasting is "fun" because they get to have stuff like candy, coca-cola, and all sorts of junk. And that is just fine, but I always found that particularly ironic and backwards. I would like nothing more than to eat a bunch of carbs - I love them. So only eating meat instead, while seemingly backwards, is actually a big sacrifice for me. It takes a lot of joy out of eating and it gets old after a while. Jesus also said the wages of sin is death, and I get a taste of that every time I "sin" by eating a lot of carbs. So the bottom line for me it's really my choice (free will) if I want to live longer and be heathly and feel well, or die a slow agonizing death by eating goyslop and poisoning myself.
Anyway, I am not advocating against "normal" Orthodox fasting for everyone, and we should definitely try to follow the teachings of Christ and the Church as much as possible, and everyone is different and should do what is best for them, and talk to your spiritual father, etc. I just thought I would respond for people who may be in my position, or may be thinking you "need" carbs to live and function, or that it's somehow a bad thing to avoid them. As if you can't be Orthodox if you don't fast from meat. And I don't know as much about carnivore, but it seems very similar to keto and keto is definitely NOT a meme. As long as you get good nutrition (take supplements if needed) you will thrive on just meat, eggs, dairy, fish, nuts, a few berries or some greens here and there, etc.
Just for reference and for those who may not be aware of these things, here is a brief summary of some medical conditions which are known to be impacted by carbohydrate consumption, vs observing a ketogenic diet. And please forgive me if the wording isn't perfect in some places, I don't have a ton of time right now so I used ChatGPT. There is lots more info out there for those who want to learn.
This detailed explanation shows how carbohydrates worsen symptoms in these conditions through metabolic, hormonal, or inflammatory pathways, while the ketogenic diet mitigates them by providing a stable, low-inflammatory, and efficient energy source.
Detailed Summary of Conditions Affected by Carbohydrates vs. Ketogenic Diet
1. Cushing's Syndrome (Hypercortisolism)
- Symptoms:
- Weight gain, particularly around the abdomen and face (moon face).
- High blood pressure, fluid retention, and edema.
- Fatigue, muscle weakness, and poor exercise tolerance.
- Mood disturbances, anxiety, depression, and brain fog.
- Bone loss (osteoporosis) and skin thinning.
- Muscle cramps and susceptibility to infections.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- Carbohydrates exacerbate cortisol secretion, increasing weight gain and fat deposition.
- High blood pressure worsens due to insulin and cortisol stimulating sodium retention.
- Increased glucose intake amplifies fatigue and brain fog in a body overwhelmed by metabolic stress.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Stabilizes blood sugar and reduces cortisol spikes, alleviating weight gain, fatigue, and inflammation.
- Low-carb intake minimizes sodium retention, improving blood pressure and fluid balance.
- Anti-inflammatory effects of ketones improve mood and reduce susceptibility to infections.
2. Adrenal Insufficiency (Hypocortisolism)
- Symptoms:
- Fatigue, muscle weakness, and lethargy.
- Low blood pressure and orthostatic dizziness.
- Electrolyte imbalances (low sodium, high potassium).
- Weight loss, poor appetite, and salt cravings.
- Brain fog, depression, and anxiety.
- Poor stress response and heat/cold intolerance.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- High-carb intake strains already insufficient cortisol, leading to unstable blood sugar levels and worsening fatigue.
- Poor sodium retention leads to dehydration, dizziness, and worsening electrolyte imbalances.
- Brain fog and weakness worsen as glucose metabolism remains impaired.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Ketones provide a stable energy source, bypassing the need for cortisol to regulate blood sugar.
- Improved sodium and fluid balance due to reduced osmotic glucose load.
- Stable energy and reduced inflammation improve cognitive function and stress tolerance.
3. Primary Aldosteronism (Hyperaldosteronism)
- Symptoms:
- High blood pressure, often resistant to treatment.
- Muscle cramps, weakness, and twitching due to potassium depletion.
- Fluid retention and bloating.
- Fatigue and heart palpitations.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- Carbohydrates increase insulin, which enhances aldosterone activity, worsening sodium retention and potassium depletion.
- Fluid overload leads to bloating, high blood pressure, and fatigue.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Reduced insulin levels mitigate aldosterone overactivation, stabilizing blood pressure and reducing bloating.
- Improved potassium balance alleviates muscle cramps and heart palpitations.
4. Secondary Hyperaldosteronism
- Symptoms:
- Similar to primary hyperaldosteronism but driven by systemic conditions like dehydration or heart failure.
- Excessive thirst, urination, and fluid retention.
- Muscle cramps, palpitations, and fatigue.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- High-carb intake exacerbates RAAS overactivation, increasing fluid retention, high blood pressure, and electrolyte imbalances.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Reduces RAAS activation, stabilizes fluid and electrolyte balance, and alleviates related symptoms.
5. Mitochondrial Dysfunction
- Symptoms:
- Severe fatigue, exercise intolerance, and muscle weakness.
- Brain fog, memory issues, and poor concentration.
- Pain, cramps, and lactic acid buildup during physical activity.
- Heightened oxidative stress and inflammation.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- Glucose metabolism in dysfunctional mitochondria produces excess reactive oxygen species (ROS), worsening fatigue and oxidative damage.
- Lactic acid accumulation leads to muscle pain and exercise intolerance.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Ketones bypass defective glycolytic pathways, reducing oxidative stress and improving ATP production.
- Anti-inflammatory properties of ketones alleviate pain and improve muscle recovery.
6. Metabolic Syndrome
- Symptoms:
- Central obesity, high blood pressure, and dyslipidemia.
- Fatigue, systemic inflammation, and joint pain.
- Insulin resistance (excluded in this analysis) but relevant for glucose handling.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- High-carb intake exacerbates inflammation, weight gain, and blood pressure through metabolic stress and RAAS activation.
- Increases oxidative stress and promotes a pro-inflammatory state.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Anti-inflammatory effects of ketosis reduce systemic inflammation and oxidative stress.
- Fat loss improves overall metabolic health and reduces strain on cardiovascular and joint systems.
7. RAAS Dysregulation
- Symptoms:
- High blood pressure, fluid retention, and bloating.
- Electrolyte imbalances (low potassium, high sodium).
- Thirst, urination, and associated fatigue.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- High-carb intake overstimulates RAAS, worsening blood pressure, fluid overload, and potassium depletion.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Reduces RAAS activation, improving fluid balance, blood pressure, and electrolyte stability.
8. Chronic Inflammation
- Symptoms:
- Pain, fatigue, joint stiffness, and muscle aches.
- Brain fog, depression, and systemic malaise.
- Impact of Carbohydrates:
- Carbs, especially refined ones, drive pro-inflammatory cytokines, exacerbating pain and fatigue.
- Impact of Ketogenic Diet:
- Ketones suppress inflammatory pathways, alleviating pain, fatigue, and cognitive symptoms.
Medical Conditions Proven or Thought to Be Mitigated by Ketogenic Diet
1. Epilepsy
- Carbs: Glucose metabolism may fuel neuronal excitability in epilepsy.
- Keto: Ketones stabilize neuronal activity, reducing seizure frequency.
2. Cancer
- Carbs: Many cancers thrive on glucose (Warburg effect).
- Keto: Ketosis reduces glucose availability, potentially slowing tumor growth in glucose-dependent cancers.
3. Neurodegenerative Diseases (e.g., Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s)
- Carbs: Impaired glucose metabolism in the brain worsens cognitive decline.
- Keto: Ketones provide an alternative energy source, improving brain function.
4. Type 2 Diabetes
- Carbs: High-carb intake worsens blood sugar control.
- Keto: Reduces glucose and insulin demand, stabilizing blood sugar.
5. Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)
- Carbs: High insulin from carbs exacerbates ovarian dysfunction.
- Keto: Low insulin environment improves hormonal balance.
6. Cardiovascular Disease
- Carbs: Refined carbs worsen inflammation and lipid profiles.
- Keto: Improves HDL, triglycerides, and systemic inflammation.
7. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia
- Carbs: High-carb intake fuels inflammation and oxidative stress.
- Keto: Ketones reduce inflammation and improve mitochondrial function.
This detailed explanation shows how carbohydrates worsen symptoms in these conditions through metabolic, hormonal, or inflammatory pathways, while the ketogenic diet mitigates them by providing a stable, low-inflammatory, and efficient energy source.
I buy it but so bland. If I went full on carnivore -
I skip breakfast, coffee - like 5 cal a cup so who cares.
Lunch if I did carnivore - bacon and eggs one day yogurt another - alternating.
Dinner - fish and steak
All cooked in animal products. It’s just so bland.
It definitely can get a bit old after a while, but it really doesn't have to be so boring. I'll give you a few examples of what I've been eating lately.
Yesterday for lunch I went to a local greek place. They have a 'bowl' concept where you pick a base, a protein, and then unlimited toppings. So I had a "salad" bowl which was 50/50 kale and romaine base, then I got gyro meat (I often double the protein, but I didn't yesterday), then for toppings I got spicy mayo, spicy feta, herb/pesto feta, onions, tomatoes, greek olives, and a couple of other things I forget at the moment. They also have stuff like chickpeas and hummus and baba ganoush but I skipped that because I'm trying to keep my carbs as low as possible. I had a zero cola to drink. For about the price of a value meal at McGoynalds I had a fresh, super flavorful, healthy, delicious meal. And I was really full afterwards (but not in a bad way).
For dinner, the wife and I went out for mexican. I ordered carne asada and so I had steak, salad, pico, guacamole, queso dip, salsa, sour cream, and garlic cilantro sauce. I had a low carb beer with some salt on the rim and water to drink. Another flavorful delicous healthy low-carb meal. It's really not that difficult. Of course I had to avoid the chips and tortillas, which I love, but it is a worthy sacrifice.
For breakfast I often have a few slices of seeded keto bread/toast with some butter or cream cheese. Or I'll have some greek yogurt which I jazz up with some berries or nuts, maybe some lemon zest/juice, some chia seeds, etc. Or maybe just some nuts, or a bit of leftover meat or something. We keep pepperoni slices and other snackables around at all times. I make good use of monk fruit and swerve, and I try to go easy with it but splenda is also very useful.
We also keep a good supply of various cheeses (as my wife says, our cheese drawer looks like the cheese section at a fancy supermarket), butter, cream cheese, sour cream, ricotta, etc. I try to only buy things when they are on sale or bogo, and then I stock up, and we just do first in first out. It keeps things interesting. I also make sure to have lots of good meats like various sausages, ground beef, steak, pork butt/shoulder, tons of bacon, etc.
Another thing to be aware of is keto products have come a long way. When I first started doing it in the 00's there was almost nothing available in terms of bread, candy, tortillas, ketchup, sauces, etc. However now they are plentiful. Just yesterday I found something new - low carb hard taco shells. I also picked up some keto bread - hawaiin, honey wheat, and some burger buns. Sometimes I'll have keto sloppy joes, or a keto blt, or keto grilled cheese sandwich with a side of zero sugar sweet & spicy bread & butter pickles. For desert there is even keto ice cream. Of course many of the "keto friendly" items aren't always zero carbs so you have to be smart and enjoy them in moderation, and they are usually more expensive than the regular kind, but it really helps to keep things a bit more interesting and make a long-term ketogenic eating plan sustainable and even enjoyable, for the most part.
I try to keep the main part of my diet more basic like meats, cheese, dairy, eggs, and some salad/vegetables, and then supplement with the keto products. Also I'm sure it's not good for me, but there are so many good "zero" sodas available now. It's so much better than 10-15 years ago when all you had were "diet" soda that tasted horrible. I often have to remind myself to not drink too many sodas and drink actual water.
See this is what I’m talking about - I could do animal products and fruits and vegetables - but just MEAT ONLY AND SEASON WITH SALT ONLY is rough. I’m willing to do it to make myself attractive enough to find someone but my food needs onion, garlic, herbs, bell peppers, lemon, olive oil, tomatoes - all the things the carnivores preach against. I know the narrative - those things have lectins which don’t let you absorb all the nutrients. So you eat too much.
The carnivores will go after you for the pico guacamole and tomato salsa. Part of me wants to suck it up and try 30 days of carnivore and reintroduce the fruits, vegetables, and herbs after 30 days.
Why don't you just eat the fruits and vegetables. You don't have to do the actual carnivore diet. A meat based diet is excellent too.
How did you end up so brainwashed about this?
All things carnivores preach against.
Start with fasting, but refeeds with a meat focus. With pepper, garlic etc. Maybe skip the fried onion for the oil content initially, okay if dry-fried. Have just some either salad, green vegetables, carrots on the side initially. Later once you have made more progress, introduce potato or sweet potato but skip it until you've dropped some weight.
Probably okay and even a good idea to have one orange or grapefruit per day for the vitamin C content. Skip everything else like apples, bananas till you've made a lot of progress, definitely skip really sweet fruit like grapes. Probably leave out the honey as well till you're lighter.
Nothing cereal based for a long time, no pizzas, no bread, no rice, no pasta, no beer, no oats even.. I eat oats these days but if and when I were trying to drop a few kilos again I'd stop during that period. Of course no fries. A hamburger without the bun if you're hardcore, basically meat pattie wrapped in lettuce with some tomato in there, maybe cheese.
Yes, I see what you mean. Carnivore doesn't approve some of those items. My bad. Sorry for going a bit off-topic. 
The other thing I will say though, regarding "bland" food, is that it's worth it to really invest the time and effort to learn about spices and seasonings. Even if you aren't a great chef, if you figure that out you can at least jazz up some store bought items, or make simple dishes or even just a hunk of meat taste amazing. Study and practice and get good.
I will give an example: earlier I cooked up a rib-eye steak for myself and the Mrs. It was just a quick lunch type situation so I didn't want to go crazy but I like some good flavor and seasoning on my steaks. Dab with paper towel and liberally applied some creole seasoning (Tony's). Took a minute or so to press the seasoning into the meat with my fingers until it was really on there. Flip it and did the same with cajun seasoning (McCormick).
Threw it on a cleaned, oiled, hot grill (500F or better) and let it sear 3-4 mins. Flipped it over, same deal. Towards the end I moved and flipped a few more times and gently pressed with tongs to get a nice char. Let it rest under a dish for 5 mins before serving. I guarantee this is 100x better than what you will get at 5-10 times the price at virtually any restaurant or steakhouse and it cost me $13 at trader joe's for the steak and maybe 1 dollar for the seasoning and propane and it was ready in under 10 mins. Sliced up an avacado and we shared that and the steak.
Chef's kiss.
Seasoning is like a force multiplier; it will enable you to be a lot more satisfied when eating healthier. Helps keep on track and not be tempted by slop. Especially if you, like me, spent a lot of years eating nothing but. It can be really hard to cut back on that stuff because nothing seems to taste good; nothing give that "pop" like some processed salty and/or sweet foods full of chemicals. That stuff is engineered to get people hooked, like drugs. They spend billions of dollars on it.
It took me years to figure out how to make a homemade burger taste as good or better than McDonalds (I know, please don't judge me too harshly). Hint: A lot of it has to do with the "bread" they use, and their condiments are extra jacked up with sugar and salt. And they use a lot of MSG. Also ratios are super important; the ratio of one ingredient to another (for example bread, meat, cheese) can drastically alter the flavor and experience of a dish.
Also, I personally don't have a big problem with things like MSG. I don't think it's as bad as many people make it out to be, and it's okay to use in moderation. And it's not magic - you still have to know how to season food it doesn't automatically make everything taste better. There are some things I don't like to put it on because it tastes weird.
The other thing I will say though, regarding "bland" food, is that it's worth it to really invest the time and effort to learn about spices and seasonings. Even if you aren't a great chef, if you figure that out you can at least jazz up some store bought items, or make simple dishes or even just a hunk of meat taste amazing. Study and practice and get good.
I will give an example: earlier I cooked up a rib-eye steak for myself and the Mrs. It was just a quick lunch type situation so I didn't want to go crazy but I like some good flavor and seasoning on my steaks. Dab with paper towel and liberally applied some creole seasoning (Tony's). Took a minute or so to press the seasoning into the meat with my fingers until it was really on there. Flip it and did the same with cajun seasoning (McCormick).
Threw it on a cleaned, oiled, hot grill (500F or better) and let it sear 3-4 mins. Flipped it over, same deal. Towards the end I moved and flipped a few more times and gently pressed with tongs to get a nice char. Let it rest under a dish for 5 mins before serving. I guarantee this is 100x better than what you will get at 5-10 times the price at virtually any restaurant or steakhouse and it cost me $13 at trader joe's for the steak and maybe 1 dollar for the seasoning and propane and it was ready in under 10 mins. Sliced up an avacado and we shared that and the steak.
Chef's kiss.
Seasoning is like a force multiplier; it will enable you to be a lot more satisfied when eating healthier. Helps keep on track and not be tempted by slop. Especially if you, like me, spent a lot of years eating nothing but. It can be really hard to cut back on that stuff because nothing seems to taste good; nothing give that "pop" like some processed salty and/or sweet foods full of chemicals. That stuff is engineered to get people hooked, like drugs. They spend billions of dollars on it.
It took me years to figure out how to make a homemade burger taste as good or better than McDonalds (I know, please don't judge me too harshly). Hint: A lot of it has to do with the "bread" they use, and their condiments are extra jacked up with sugar and salt. And they use a lot of MSG. Also ratios are super important; the ratio of one ingredient to another (for example bread, meat, cheese) can drastically alter the flavor and experience of a dish.
Also, I personally don't have a big problem with things like MSG. I don't think it's as bad as many people make it out to be, and it's okay to use in moderation. And it's not magic - you still have to know how to season food it doesn't automatically make everything taste better. There are some things I don't like to put it on because it tastes weird.
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