carnivore diet discussion thread

Eating 100% meat might give you enough vitamin C to stave off scurvy and rickets but its not going to give you the optimal level of vitamin C to function optimally. All other things being equal this could lead to a weaker immune system, bleeding gums, dry skin, fatigue, etc. Scurvy tends to occur when you have severe vitamin C deficiency rather than just mild deficiency which a carnivore diet can lead to.
if red meat is a cure for scurvy, it must have more than the bare minimum vitamin C.

Weston A Price found the Inuit people to be essentially the perfect physical specimens... No plants to eat on the tundra
 
Actually not true the innuit did have some plants in their diet. Also they have genetic adaptations from living in that envrionment and with that diet for thousands of years. For example because they have a very low carb diet they have a genetic adaptation to make it much harder for their body to go into ketosis then other people hence they get fat more easily on a modern diet. Who knows maybe they are also genetically adapted to need less vitamin C than other people.

Here is the AI overview regarding their diet:
"The traditional Eskimo (Inuit) diet is primarily carnivorous, relying heavily on hunted animals like seals, caribou, whales, and fish. While plant foods are not the core of their diet, they do include berries, grasses, tubers, roots, stems, and seaweeds, especially during the summer months.
"While the diet provides a substantial amount of vitamin C from the raw meat and fish, and some from berries and seaweed"

Berries: A source of vitamins and antioxidants, often consumed fresh or dried.

  • Seaweed: A source of minerals and potentially vitamin C, particularly important in regions where scurvy was a concern.

  • Roots and Tubers: May provide some carbohydrates and minerals, especially when other food sources are scarce.

  • Grasses: Can be a source of roughage and some nutrients


Besides they eat a lot of their meat raw. When you cook meat it destroys most of the vitamin C. Do you eat your meat raw? I certainly don't eat raw meat.
 
Actually not true the innuit did have some plants in their diet. Also they have genetic adaptations from living in that envrionment and with that diet for thousands of years. For example because they have a very low carb diet they have a genetic adaptation to make it much harder for their body to go into ketosis then other people hence they get fat more easily on a modern diet. Who knows maybe they are also genetically adapted to need less vitamin C than other people.

Here is the AI overview regarding their diet:
"The traditional Eskimo (Inuit) diet is primarily carnivorous, relying heavily on hunted animals like seals, caribou, whales, and fish. While plant foods are not the core of their diet, they do include berries, grasses, tubers, roots, stems, and seaweeds, especially during the summer months.
"While the diet provides a substantial amount of vitamin C from the raw meat and fish, and some from berries and seaweed"

Berries: A source of vitamins and antioxidants, often consumed fresh or dried.

  • Seaweed: A source of minerals and potentially vitamin C, particularly important in regions where scurvy was a concern.

  • Roots and Tubers: May provide some carbohydrates and minerals, especially when other food sources are scarce.

  • Grasses: Can be a source of roughage and some nutrients


Besides they eat a lot of their meat raw. When you cook meat it destroys most of the vitamin C. Do you eat your meat raw? I certainly don't eat raw meat.
I’ve eaten meat raw before. In fact sushi is raw meat so most people to some degree have eaten raw meat. I don’t eat chicken raw though ever.
 
For a while the talk has been that high protein intake will cause the excess to be converted into sugar (glucose) and than stored as fat by the body. So unless you engage in strenuous physical work or exercising, you don't need that much.

Other sources now dispute these findings. People mentioned the obvious here, how calories must be burned, or else the surplus will be visible in time.

While the metabolic pathways to convert amino acids to fatty acids do in fact exist in the human body, the fact of the matter is that under almost no circumstance will this ever happen.

Rather, excess protein in the face of over-feeding actually contributed to gains in lean body mass. Quite the contrary to what text books and gurus might preach. And as all avid readers of our newsletters would know, increasing lean muscle tissue really is the fountain of youth.



 
I'm not 100% carnivore and have been cheating a lot lately unfortunately. But I eat a ton of eggs and butter. Sometimes 12 eggs at a time and half a stick of butter. And I still feel amazing even with the cheating.

Maybe don't be as insane with the eggs, but I highly recommend eating at least 4 a day. Same for a can of sardines or mackerel. Damn, mackerel is so good it makes me forget about the sardines.

And the obvious steak or ground beef. I need to get back to eating that almost every night.
 
Actually not true the innuit did have some plants in their diet. Also they have genetic adaptations from living in that envrionment and with that diet for thousands of years. For example because they have a very low carb diet they have a genetic adaptation to make it much harder for their body to go into ketosis then other people hence they get fat more easily on a modern diet. Who knows maybe they are also genetically adapted to need less vitamin C than other people.

Here is the AI overview regarding their diet:
"The traditional Eskimo (Inuit) diet is primarily carnivorous, relying heavily on hunted animals like seals, caribou, whales, and fish. While plant foods are not the core of their diet, they do include berries, grasses, tubers, roots, stems, and seaweeds, especially during the summer months.
"While the diet provides a substantial amount of vitamin C from the raw meat and fish, and some from berries and seaweed"

Berries: A source of vitamins and antioxidants, often consumed fresh or dried.

  • Seaweed: A source of minerals and potentially vitamin C, particularly important in regions where scurvy was a concern.

  • Roots and Tubers: May provide some carbohydrates and minerals, especially when other food sources are scarce.

  • Grasses: Can be a source of roughage and some nutrients


Besides they eat a lot of their meat raw. When you cook meat it destroys most of the vitamin C. Do you eat your meat raw? I certainly don't eat raw meat.
Firstly: AI is not the fountain of truth…it’s a good tool, but I find it to be factually wrong on the few subjects that I am an expert on. It has a “normie take” on many things. If there are claims, sometimes merely anecdotal or speculative, it then presents it, convincingly, as fact.

I’m working on a project with Grok, and it is abundantly clear that while it is good at pulling a lot of information, it has no ability to reason - it regurgitates a lot of common beliefs that, if I wasn’t a subject matter expert on, sound convincing.

I will see if I can find any reference by Weston A Price of Inuit eating grasses and report back.

I don’t go full raw usually, but I do sometimes if I harvest it myself (deer), especially liver (after freezing)
Beef I usually only cook the outside, and leave the interior raw, even ground beef.
 
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Firstly: AI is not the fountain of truth…it’s a good tool, but I find it to be factually wrong on the few subjects that I am an expert on. It has a “normie take” on many things. If there are claims, sometimes merely anecdotal or speculative, it then presents it, convincingly, as fact.

I’m working on a project with Grok, and it is abundantly clear that while it is good at pulling a lot of information, it has no ability to reason - it regurgitates a lot of common beliefs that, if I wasn’t a subject matter expert on, sound convincing.

I will see if I can find any reference by Weston A Price of Inuit eating grasses and report back.

I don’t go full raw usually, but I do sometimes if I harvest it myself (deer), especially liver (after freezing)
Beef I usually only cook the outside, and leave the interior raw, even ground beef.
I think the basic point is that normal people eating a carnivore diet aren't consuming vast quantities of raw organ meats and drinking fresh animal blood etc like the Inuits were. Somebody on a modern carnivore diet feasting on barbecued steaks could very well conceivably be vitamin C deficient.
 
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