2024 Election Lounge

[Get2choppaaa]

I don't see your point regarding tax-money. Our (European) tax money certainly go to Ukraine and whatever else local they might be up to. And there's a price to pay in accommodating refugees also. I haven't said that you can't have an opinion on whatever happens in Europe though, you introduced that concept vice-versa.

You're welcome to an opinion. My point is that you don't know the reality you're basing that from with lived experience as an American.

You're making an international assessment. Not reflective of living under the regime.

What's disconnected from reality is to not realize that Trump had a relation to covid and the response. For whatever reason he was not on top of it. The end result is what matters after all. The played him like a fiddle, and they'll do the same again. Then there's the absolving Trump of everything issue, including all the people who failed that he brought in himself. Also, as I keep pointing out, Trump's reign if it comes will be very short. I haven't seen anyone respond to this. What do they imagine will follow after? I have made a clear prediction here, massive chaos and turmoil towards the end of the period.

4 years is a lot.

Look at that's happened in 3 with communist Jews in office here.

 

[budoslavic]

See my reply to get2choppa, and again, only 4 short years, half of it playing golf, probably minimal goodwill in Washington this time, and worst of all...when he's done they have all the leverage in the world to go ahead with radical policies. It will be a big price to pay for what is essentially a TV-show.

The damage was done before Biden. Trump spent 4 years, pushing for more "legal" (as if it matters where 80 IQ welfare cheats come here and have 5 80 IQ kids legally or not) immigration and not kicking out millions of illegal already here. Then he pardoned people who were convicted of hiring and transporting illegals into our country, which must have been extreme to be convicted of it.

But the good thing is, at least people are talking about it and starting to look to take action, instead of watching TV and thinking Chump will handle it for them.

1. We are talking about the current situation that's happening under Biden's watch. Does he deserve to run for a 2nd term re-election?
2. Biden Administration is deliberately working with the NGOs to flood the illegal migrants into the U.S. At the moment, he is busy defending the sand castle wall on a U.S. Virgin Islands beach.
3. The damage was already done way before any of us were born. Marxists-Communists-Bolshevists are already in control of every America's institutions - governments, schools, businesses, etc.
4. Democracy is a sham. Below is Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows. If you don't know who that is, look her up.

All in all, things are really looking rosy and peachy under Biden's leadership as we head into the 2024 Election year. Economy is booming. Mass migration has been the lowest ever. Crimes are low. Jobs are being filled. Future is looking bright. I'm really keen on voting for Biden so he can take more vacations in his 2nd term.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

1. We are talking about the current situation that's happening under Biden's watch. Does he deserve to run for a 2nd term re-election?
2. Biden Administration is deliberately working with the NGOs to flood the illegal migrants into the U.S. At the moment, he is busy defending the sand castle wall on a U.S. Virgin Islands beach.
3. The damage was already done way before any of us were born. Marxists-Communists-Bolshevists are already in control of every America's institutions - governments, schools, businesses, etc.
4. Democracy is a sham. Below is Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows. If you don't know who that is, look her up.

All in all, things are really looking rosy and peachy under Biden's leadership as we head into the 2024 Election year. Economy is booming. Mass migration has been the lowest ever. Crimes are low. Jobs are being filled. Future is looking bright. I'm really keen on voting for Biden so he can take more vacations in his 2nd term.

1) My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter. The same people run the country no matter who wins the WWE elections. The billionaire elites, who get bailed out by both parties, are who runs this country. And their obvious goal is to suck all the wealth out of this country, leave it full of 80 IQ violent people so0 it can never rebuild, and move on to another country. They have done this in the past with the English empire, the Prussian empire, the Spanish empire and the once Czar Russia. It is the same playbook, but they learned they must replaced the 100 IQ population with 80 IQ so they can't get revenge in a few generations, like Russia is currently doing to them.

2) Yes, Biden is working with these NGO's. So is the GOP. Trump would just replace these low IQ illegal immigrants with cut throat destroy the middle class and can never be removed legal immigrants. If you are middle class, illegal immigration is less of a threat to you and your family, than legal immigration is.

3) I agree, which is why voting doesn't matter, they control both parties and everyone in it. Be like Massie and question why we fund Israel, and you lose all your funding to run an election campaign.

4) Democracy is a sham, yes, well Democracy is the elites getting what they want and them pretending you voted for it and it isn't their fault.

Things are good under Biden. Instead of "conservatives" waiting in line to clap like seals at a Chump political rally, they are at home reading and learning. The discussions I see now on Twitter are remarkable. This whole situation with Israel has the elites terrified, and rightfully so, because so many are talking about the situation. The last thing we need right now is for Chump to come in and squash that conversation with this blowhard empty rhetoric. And that is exactly why Chump will be the next president, because he is the only hope they have in quelling the awakening that is taking place.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

I've said this before, even though I know it's an unpopular sentiment with many here, but we're better off with 4 more years of Biden & Co. If you just look at the net results, and ignore intentions and mechanisms within politics etc, with Biden we have;

-More free speech than in a very long time.

Can you elaborate? It does feel that way, but like I’ll state below it’s more of an illusion.

-Covid restrictions are over in the western world. (It took some time yes, but still)

Timing, Biden can’t really take credit for this.

-The Fed has raised rates, which is more responsible than to let inflation run rampant. (many said this would never happen)

That’s up to Jerome Powell who was appointed by Trump and is a Republican.

-Biden hates Netanyahu and stands up to him to some extent. (more measured support for Israel)

I'm not gonna exaggerate, everything else is bad/horrible. But at least the situation is stabile.

It’s more of an illusion that the situation is stable. This administration controls the press and the information way better than the Trump Administration. Our border is getting flooded and the economy isn’t in that great a shape although the stock market is near an all time high.

My point is mainly that they (Biden and co.) are just better at hiding things.

With Trump we will get massive chaos, civil unrest and eventually some form of major incident akin to covid. Not right away, but it will build up during his reign.

He’s a polarizing figure for sure so he does piss a lot of people off. You’re not off the mark here.

The argument that many made for Trump (also Roosh) was that he would buy us some time...give us a break from the decline. Instead the exact opposite happened. It brought on a major acceleration of the decline and no rest at all. The same will happen again if he's put in, and it might even be worse this time.

Again I agree. Once Trump was out it was back to business as usual with the decline.

For me personally I haven’t noticed much of a difference in my life from Trump to Biden, but I do feel the ‘stability’ as you call it, and I think that’s because of not being glued to the news cycle and them exaggerating and focusing on Trump.

Also a lot of things are local and that’s where you have more control. I’d suggest members take action locally and regionally.

 

[MacManus]

Go back (or stay in) to Europa and fight for it! Stop being a fag and fight for your people.

It's all in Roosh' writings when he found God.

Which if the 4 European countries in which I have heritage--7 if you count the different nations of the UK--should I "go back" to and fight for?

 

[Johnnyvee]

Can you elaborate? It does feel that way, but like I’ll state below it’s more of an illusion.



Timing, Biden can’t really take credit for this.



That’s up to Jerome Powell who was appointed by Trump and is a Republican.



It’s more of an illusion that the situation is stable. This administration controls the press and the information way better than the Trump Administration. Our border is getting flooded and the economy isn’t in that great a shape although the stock market is near an all time high.

My point is mainly that they (Biden and co.) are just better at hiding things.




He’s a polarizing figure for sure so he does **** a lot of people off. You’re not off the mark here.



Again I agree. Once Trump was out it was back to business as usual with the decline.

For me personally I haven’t noticed much of a difference in my life from Trump to Biden, but I do feel the ‘stability’ as you call it, and I think that’s because of not being glued to the news cycle and them exaggerating and focusing on Trump.

Also a lot of things are local and that’s where you have more control. I’d suggest members take action locally and regionally.

If you assume that Trump had no sway on neither covid response and/or it's development, and that it's only the Fed that determines interest rate policies with no pressure from the current admin then I can see why you would arrive at those conclusions. But again, I think it's the end result that counts, especially in the long term. It's just things like that you need to address and be on top of. The gain of function research in Wuhan, Fauci could have been fired, (via misconduct) closing the borders to China immediately, taking control over big-pharma, punishing big-tech for censorship etc, in relation to covid. Nothing like that was done.

I disagree that 4 years is a lot like someone said. In the end end Trump failed to deliver, and that includes whatever happened during the election. (cheating or not) If he doesn't get in next year then the pro-Trump crowd will wax endlessly about how the Trump detractors where to blame, and that we had the chance and so on. And if he get's in we'll arrive in -28 with a radical Democrat and things will all in all be much worse then when it started with Trump...a full 12 years earlier. Not exactly tired of winning like he claimed!

Not to rant on to long, but I see politics as a game of power. If you have real power you can bend the rules, or outright make them. (Putin demonstrates this) If Trump had that power we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. Referring to regulations, laws and all the people around Trump that failed is meaningless. Managing those things is the essence of the job that he would need to succeed with. If that's impossible, then why vote him in again?

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

If you assume that Trump had no sway on neither covid response and/or it's development, and that it's only the Fed that determines interest rate policies with no pressure from the current admin then I can see why you would arrive at those conclusions. But again, I think it's the end result that counts, especially in the long term. It's just things like that you need to address and be on top of. The gain of function research in Wuhan, Fauci could have been fired, (via misconduct) closing the borders to China immediately, taking control over big-pharma, punishing big-tech for censorship etc, in relation to covid. Nothing like that was done.

I disagree that 4 years is a lot like someone said. In the end end Trump failed to deliver, and that includes whatever happened during the election. (cheating or not) If he doesn't get in next year then the pro-Trump crowd will wax endlessly about how the Trump detractors where to blame, and that we had the chance and so on. And if he get's in we'll arrive in -28 with a radical Democrat and things will all in all be much worse then when it started with Trump...a full 12 years earlier. Not exactly tired of winning like he claimed!

Not to rant on to long, but I see politics as a game of power. If you have real power you can bend the rules, or outright make them. (Putin demonstrates this) If Trump had that power we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. Referring to regulations, laws and all the people around Trump that failed is meaningless. Managing those things is the essence of the job that he would need to succeed with. If that's impossible, then why vote him in again?

Trump definitely missed opportunities and I don’t even support him anymore, but you have a misunderstanding of the American political system. Putin is a dictator by all means so that’s not a good comparison. In the US we have checks and balances with lots of red tape and procedures to follow. The president is not a dictator by design and his power is limited.

The way forward is institutional change which the left mastered years ago. It’s only through changes to the gigantic entity that is the system that long term change is possible. One man president or not, isn’t going to save the country.

 

[scorpion]

Trump is something of a double-edged sword. In office, though he was well-intentioned, he was largely ineffective due to his lack of political experience, his penchant for delegation rather than taking the time to personally understand policy details and his comically bad hiring decisions. The very fact that Trump held the office of President, however, inflamed and rallied the left/Deep State to previously unseen levels. Trump basically serves as the ultimate boogie man for these people, and having him as their opposition actually seems to strengthen and embolden them. So while we were certainly better off under Trump - simply for the fact that while he was mostly impotent, he at least wasn't trying to actively sabotage the country - his presence in the White House also greatly enhanced the efforts of our most dangerous enemies (no, not the Russians or the Chinese - I speak of unholy coalition of the leftists, communists, media and Deep State forces who are working to destroy the U.S.). Trump made these people erratic, unhinged and even more committed to their anti-American ideology and agenda.

In contrast, Joe Biden has been a complete disaster policy-wise, but his presence in office actually serves to demoralize and demotivate our enemies, due to his sheer ineptitude, incompetence and the embarrassing, indefensible corruption he and his family have been engaged in for decades. Absolutely NO ONE likes or respects Joe Biden, including his own family members. The man is a complete disaster, is functionally a walking corpse at this point, and is entirely propped up by his Deep State handlers as an empty vessel while they run the country. So while the decay of the country has accelerated under Biden, the mass of anti-American (read: anti-Trump) forces have grown much quieter over the past few years on a social and cultural level. There is currently much more public opposition to Biden and the leftist agenda than we saw when Trump was in office. People are angrier, they understand that this cannot continue, and they are not shy about letting you know. The Left has lost much of its cultural power and capital over the past few years, and with Joe Biden as their figurehead, they remain embarrassed and demoralized.

This is sort of the cyclical nature of American politics and how parties and individuals behave when holding the Presidency vs. being out of power. The danger of Trump is and has always been looking at the man as some sort of savior, which he most certainly is not. Even if he manages to regain power in 2024, it's very doubtful he will manage to accomplish much, and there is a risk that once again his presence in the White House will simultaneously inflame the passions of our enemies while stupefying many on our side into complacency ("Trump is back! Woohoo! Trust the plan!")

 

[FrancisK]

I'm not going to lie the situation with Israel has definitely made me less enthusiastic about Trump being re-elected. His first presidency I felt his issue was that he was trying to make everyone happy and bring both sides together instead of going scorched earth and was hoping perhaps he learned his lesson the second time around and would do less of that. I still think that may be the case but the Israel support which I think is extremely detrimental to us here kinda takes the shine off of that notion.

That being said I do realize that you have to kiss the ring to be elected, it stinks but that is reality. Hell half the white vote will abandon you if you don't pander to Israel with how brainwashed many people are, although I have seen many people turn on that lately which is encouraging. So perhaps it's just a matter of pick the side that benefits you most in regards to being elected and then just have them make peace, whatever you have against trump he did know that war was bad which was quite a departure from every other president.

Still better than biden or whatever Democrat, simply in the vein of things that affect us directly at the daily life level such as oil, climate bs, and trannies.

It just is what it is I suppose.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

If the choice ends up being...

Chump/GOP - endless wars for Israel, we must attack Iran. Which seems to be the message from Chump and everyone else in the GOP

And

DNC - No total war in the middle east, just a presence, but we will continue to transition kids, we will continue to leave the border open, and abortion remains legal.

It is a no-brainer to vote DNC. We can recover from satanic domestic policies. The economy is so bad many will self deport or eventually this thing will crack and they will be run out. But if our men are shattered/die for Israel, we cannot recover from that. The most valuable thing you have is your own people, and we can't create them out of thin air.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

If the choice ends up being...

Chump/GOP - endless wars for Israel, we must attack Iran. Which seems to be the message from Chump and everyone else in the GOP

And

DNC - No total war in the middle east, just a presence, but we will continue to transition kids, we will continue to leave the border open, and abortion remains legal.

It is a no-brainer to vote DNC. We can recover from satanic domestic policies. The economy is so bad many will self deport or eventually this thing will crack and they will be run out. But if our men are shattered/die for Israel, we cannot recover from that. The most valuable thing you have is your own people, and we can't create them out of thin air.

What?

Trump avoided war with Iran on multiple instances when he could have escalated.

Your posts confuse me very much. One moment it's... We have to save white people... Now you're saying we should vote for the party that's forcing immigrant population replacement at a rate that is so aggressive a second term will break our country.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

What?

Trump avoided war with Iran on multiple instances when he could have escalated.

Your posts confuse me very much. One moment it's... We have to save white people... Now you're saying we should vote for the party that's forcing immigrant population replacement at a rate that is so aggressive a second term will break our country.

If Chump was still in office, things would be the very same in the Middle East, at best. Most likely Chump would have already drug us into a full-scale war for the only country he cares about.

Like I said yesterday, I am very philosophical, we are conscious beings, consciousness being something even scientists today cannot fully explain. And every day Chump wakes up and make the decision to put Israel first. That is a choice he is very proud and brags about. That is fine, we know who he is, we can't afford to pretend he isn't the Israel-first candidate that he brags about being.

As for our people. Our people could potentially fight back and take back territory. Our people could potentially become racially conscious. Our people could do what is right for ourselves and everyone else. But we can't do that is we are 6 feet underground where Chump will send us in a grave defeat against Iran.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

If Chump was still in office, things would be the very same in the Middle East, at best. Most likely Chump would have already drug us into a full-scale war for the only country he cares about.

Like I said yesterday, I am very philosophical, we are conscious beings, consciousness being something even scientists today cannot fully explain. And every day Chump wakes up and make the decision to put Israel first. That is a choice he is very proud and brags about. That is fine, we know who he is, we can't afford to pretend he isn't the Israel-first candidate that he brags about being.

As for our people. Our people could potentially fight back and take back territory. Our people could potentially become racially conscious. Our people could do what is right for ourselves and everyone else. But we can't do that is we are 6 feet underground where Chump will send us in a grave defeat against Iran.

Dude youre off your rocker.

He's anti war. Likely he would support Israel doing what they are doing now... But assuming we'd be going to war with Iran or another country when he purposely avoided this when given multiple opportunities and pushing by state/generals and chose limited strikes over troop escalation.

I'm not sure why you also think Iran is this great behemoth military. We could absolutely jack that country up with out occupying it. But we don't want to and of course shouldn't.

Your immigration claim alone, that trump would bring more, is totally nonsensical.

Just because you keep repeating these projections doesn't make them grounded in fact.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Dude youre off your rocker.

He's anti war. Likely he would support Israel doing what they are doing now... But assuming we'd be going to war with Iran or another country when he purposely avoided this when given multiple opportunities and pushing by state/generals and chose limited strikes over troop escalation.

I'm not sure why you also think Iran is this great behemoth military. We could absolutely jack that country up with out occupying it. But we don't want to and of course shouldn't.

Your immigration claim alone, that trump would bring more, is totally nonsensical.

Just because you keep repeating these projections doesn't make them grounded in fact.

Again, I am philosophical, everything Chump does or does not do is a choice. Everyday Chump wakes up and chooses to not attack the fact our military is for profit junk that got steamrolled by Russia for less than 1/3rd the budget. Everyday Chump wakes up and doesn't call for a cease fire in Israel, and instead now at least is on the record of supporting Israel bombing children. Everyday Chump could call for all the Middle East bases to be shut down, for Israel to stop bombing their neighbors and to put all those Middle East soldiers on the border rather than in Syria, and he could apologize to Syria for committing many war crimes against them.

But he does none of this. The silence is deafening. And if anyone on here honestly thinks that the "most pro-Israel president in the history of the USA" is going to sit back and let Israel continue to get hammered, you are out of your mind.

I don't know who this "we" could jack up Iran. You should sign up and go do it, find out how easy that is.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[Joost]

I wanted to reply with an "amen" emoji, but the selection under the like button is very limited. Anyone know how to expand that list?

We already have too many emojis. You can simply use the positive hand as reaction.

When everybody asks for a new emoji we end up with too many. Even “pregnant man”.

 

[Joost]

I’m afraid the powers against Trump are too great and the Republicans who are supposed to support him are cowards. With one year left for them to scheme, I see the chances of Trump being in the ballot are slim.

If I had to choose between Vivek or DeSantis…

DeSantis have some track record but I’m not sure he can beat Newsom.
Vivek is the only mentioning truths and actually having the balls to defend Trump.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I’m afraid the powers against Trump are too great and the Republicans who are supposed to support him are cowards. With one year left for them to scheme, I see the chances of Trump being in the ballot are slim.

If I had to choose between Vivek or DeSantis…

DeSantis have some track record but I’m not sure he can beat Newsom.
Vivek is the only mentioning truths and actually having the balls to defend Trump.

If the powers were really against Trump, then he would already be in jail like his Jan 6th followers are.

This is all theatre to make Trump look like an "outsider" who "fought the system and won" when he is handed the election in 2024.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Trump is going to win the result will be:

More work fixing of the border, better economic deals for our manufacturing sector, and less war....

This will be a win for everyone. The disparity between his policies and platform and the next closest thing with a tract record (DeSantis) is pretty significant.

For people saying it's all controlled theater... I posit another idea: one that's more aligned with the psychological profile of the State and the apparatus.

These liberals really really hate Trump and the ideology he promotes. Thats why they overplay their hand on everything. The promotion of a threat to their authority is unacceptable and thusly hes got to be destroyed.

The unprecedented attacks on him aren't because they're trying to set him up, it's because they are so brainwashed and live in such an echo chamber that the constant attacks are all engrained in their psyche.

Look at the things Jack Smith is doing. It's not because he's master planner... He's just that corrupt. Most of the actions are quite stupid. They believe that convicting trump will hurt him in the general and rile up their base while depressing Trump's. That's fairly straightforward.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Trump is going to win the result will be:

More work fixing of the border, better economic deals for our manufacturing sector, and less war....

This will be a win for everyone. The disparity between his policies and platform and the next closest thing with a tract record (DeSantis) is pretty significant.

For people saying it's all controlled theater... I posit another idea: one that's more aligned with the psychological profile of the State and the apparatus.

These liberals really really hate Trump and the ideology he promotes. Thats why they overplay their hand on everything. The promotion of a threat to their authority is unacceptable and thusly hes got to be destroyed.

The unprecedented attacks on him aren't because they're trying to set him up, it's because they are so brainwashed and live in such an echo chamber that the constant attacks are all engrained in their psyche.

Look at the things Jack Smith is doing. It's not because he's master planner... He's just that corrupt. Most of the actions are quite stupid. They believe that convicting trump will hurt him in the general and rile up their base while depressing Trump's. That's fairly straightforward.

The result of Trump winning, will, at best, be the same as the first four years. The continued slow, but picking up the pace, destruction of the USA. A slow boil, so the "men" are watching sportsball or playing with cars or other nonsense while the nation their kids will inherit turns into a third world hellhole. We know what Trump is, we have a 4 year track record, he is just another Obama, another Biden, another Bush, another slowed destruction of the USA. And if the powers that be want a war, Trump has no power to stop them.

Liberals are beyond brainwashed, they are spiteful mutants, people who were not meant to survive to adulthood and genetically they are lashing out at anything good, pure and normal. You can't win them over, they don't want to be won over, they want to destroy everything good and normal.