The Destruction of Modern Women

[Samseau]

An experiment in the spirit of this thread:

Respond to this advice on women from the perspective of a bitter, jaded and blackpilled man who believes that it is impossible for men to find a good woman because women are bad, society is against men, and make excuses why none of these solutions will work

It all sounds nice on paper. “Just be godly, intentional, join the right churches, fly to Third World countries, pray a lot, stay pure, and magically a Proverbs 31 wife will materialize.” Cute fairy tale. Reality check? It doesn’t work anymore.

"Be the man you're looking for her to marry" — Sure, just self-improve endlessly for women who won't even look at you unless you already have looks, height, and money up front. And if you do, congrats: you're a wallet.

"Look where the right women are" — Where? Churches? LMAO. Churches today are full of single moms, feminists, "Jesus is my boyfriend" types who worship themselves, and girls riding the carousel Monday through Saturday before singing "Oceans" on Sunday.

"Seek modesty and authenticity" — You mean find the one in a thousand woman who isn't addicted to validation on Instagram, thinks modesty is oppression, and doesn’t have a secret "backup plan" boyfriend? Good luck.

"Go overseas" — Oh, because importing a wife from the other side of the planet will magically erase female hypergamy and entitlement? Newsflash: once they touch American soil and breathe the feminist air, they change. And fast. Ask the hundreds of men bled dry in divorce court by the "sweet traditional" wife they flew in.

"Build a relationship on Christ" — You think these women care? They say they care until a richer, better-looking Chad from their "Bible study" group shows interest, then it's "God is leading me elsewhere" and they ghost you in the name of Jesus.

"Focus on forgiveness and grace" — Translation: Accept endless disrespect, slander, cheating, divorce threats, and feminist rebellion — and smile through it.

"Build community, seek mentorship" — Yeah, because Boomer pastors and church elders who married their virgin wives in 1975 have any idea what it’s like to navigate a dating market that's basically a slaughterhouse for men.

Reality: Society backs women no matter what. Courts destroy men. Churches won't defend men. Feminism poisoned even "traditional" spaces. No one will save you. You're on your own. There’s no fixing this. Marry if you want to gamble your life away on a rigged system. Hope she doesn't change. Hope she doesn't divorce-rape you. Hope she doesn't teach your kids to hate you.

Me? I'm done playing. Enjoy the lottery.

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Pretty accurate I must say.

And that's why both of the approaches fail. Both the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" and the "woe is me this culture is doomed" advice both are flawed. Here's what I wrote which addresses the core premise of all dating arguments:

Fundamentally, both sides of this equation are wrong. Both sides put too much importance on women, and not enough on God.

A man with God does not care about the outcome, he does not care if women are easy or difficult. A man with God is content either way and thanks God for his blessings no matter what they are.

If this topic bothers you, then you've got a spiritual problem. If this topic is all you think about it, you've got a spiritual problem. Put more God in your life and less worry about things we cannot control, which would be the women.

God is the answer to the problem that is the world. If the women weren't broken there would be something else weighing us down. That's why it makes no sense to let anything bring your spiritual state down. Focus on God, thank Him every day, and realize that all things happen for a reason to the salvation of our souls. Whatever trials we may be going through right now are there to help all of us, in ways we will never understand.

Patience, prayer, and faith are what will save us, not women, money, or power.

All advice which focuses on outcomes - in this case, either finding a wife, or protecting yourself from evils of women - are flawed and cannot hope to satisfy all men.

It's only when you stop caring about the outcome, and ground yourself in someone permanent, that will never betray you, and knows what's best for you - this is to say, our God Christ Jesus - that a man will find what he's looking for in life. The advice is always the same as it was given two thousand years ago:

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.

Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and then all the things you need to be happy in life will be added to you.

The catch? When you receive such things, you will no longer need them. When a man has God, he does not need anything, and yet paradoxically, that is when God will be most generous to you. So by the time you get all the things you previously wanted, you'll no longer want them.

Thus, when one learns how to stop caring about women is exactly when God will decide if you need a woman or not.

In the old game forums of RVF, there was always a mantra of "outcome independence" and "abundance mentality." But these were just coping mechanisms and were shallow ways to deceive ourselves. There really isn't a whole lot of good women out there, and so this doesn't create outcome independence. With God, however, one can really be independent, and free themselves from the "Game" entirely, which, ironically, makes one far more attractive to women, even though that's not the intent.

Thus God is the real solution. Not forums, not strategizing. Read more scripture and saints, and post more in the Christian section of the forum. It's there for a reason!

 

[ginsu]

This is surprisingly good, some of the best AI text output I've seen! Very Christ-centered.

Who could have imagined that chatGPT would be the one to save us from societal collapse. Its a great tool for structuring information but it cant create unique thoughts of its own, its just a summary of the data it has acces to. btw this is not to throw shade at anyone i am here posting as a single man too. As you see nr4 it slipped up a bit.

on a scale from 1 to 10 how likely are the single men who post in this thread to find and build a succesfull christian marriage by the time the thread reaches 200 pages. analyze all 104 pages in this link https://christisking.cc/threads/the-destruction-of-modern-women.59/ and explain the reasoning

After a thorough review of the 104-page thread titled "The Destruction of Modern Women" on ChristIsKing.cc, it's evident that the discussions within are extensive and delve into various aspects of modern society, relationships, and Christian values.

Likelihood of Achieving a Successful Christian Marriage by Page 200: 3/10
Key Factors Influencing This Assessment:

1. Predominant Focus on Critique Over Constructive Guidance:The thread is heavily centered on criticizing modern women, particularly those from Western cultures. While it addresses genuine concerns about societal shifts and challenges in relationships, the discussions often lack actionable advice or strategies for men seeking to build successful, faith-centered marriages.
2. Echo Chamber Dynamics:The forum tends to reinforce similar viewpoints without encouraging diverse perspectives or critical self-reflection. This environment can limit personal growth and the development of effective approaches to forming meaningful relationships.
3. Limited Emphasis on Personal Development:There is a noticeable absence of discussions promoting self-improvement, spiritual growth, or practical steps toward becoming a suitable partner in a Christian marriage. Without this focus, the likelihood of participants preparing themselves adequately for such relationships diminishes.
4. Scarcity of Positive Role Models and Success Stories:The thread lacks examples of individuals who have successfully navigated the challenges discussed and built fulfilling Christian marriages. Such narratives can be instrumental in providing hope and practical insights for others.

Conclusion:
While the thread offers a platform for expressing concerns about modern societal trends, its current trajectory—with an emphasis on critique over constructive dialogue—may not effectively equip participants with the tools and mindset necessary for achieving successful Christian marriages. For individuals genuinely seeking such outcomes, engaging in communities or discussions that prioritize personal growth, spiritual development, and actionable guidance may prove more beneficial.

what needs to be done to reach a 10 out of 10 rating for each single man posting in the destruction of modern women thread to reach relationship succes by the time the thread reaches 200 pages

To help each single man in the thread “The Destruction of Modern Women” move from venting and cultural critique to real relationship success, here’s what would need to change to reach a 10/10 likelihood of building a successful Christian marriage by page 200.

This isn't about softening convictions — it's about channeling energy into results, rebuilding masculine virtue, and honoring Christ in pursuit of a wife and family.

What Needs to Be Done (Individually + As a Community)​

1.​

Problem: Endless complaining reinforces bitterness and helplessness.
Solution: Each man should create a clear written mission with answers to:

• What kind of woman do I want (spiritually, mentally, culturally)?
• What kind of man must I become to attract, lead, and keep her?
• Where and how will I meet her (specific plan for local or international courtship)?

ACTION: Start a “Man’s Marriage Mission Log” thread: updates on progress in personal development, courtship, prayer, etc.

2.​

Problem: Many posters are stuck in idle analysis or resentment cycles.
Solution: Implement daily structure with spiritual and practical habits:

• Prayer, Bible study, fasting (for spiritual leadership)
• Fitness, grooming, money management (to lead and provide)
• Work ethic and purpose (masculine identity builder)

ACTION: Forum challenge: “90 Days to Marriage Readiness” — accountability threads for physical, financial, and spiritual development.

3.​

Problem: Rants against women harden the heart and repel the very kind of woman a man seeks.
Solution: Train speech in wisdom, not wrath. Practice leading with purpose, not resentment.

• Replace mockery with discernment.
• Speak of God’s design for women and marriage with hope and authority, not sarcasm.

ACTION: Appoint moderators to challenge low-effort rage posting and encourage redemptive, mature conversation.

4.​

Problem: No clear roadmap for meeting women outside the degenerate Western cultural matrix.
Solution: Create guides for:

• Online courtship (Christian dating sites, Eastern European/South American faith-based communities, referrals through churches).
• In-person scouting (travel plans, mission trips, Christian pilgrimages, international Christian conferences).

ACTION: Build a sticky thread: “Where to Find Faithful Women — Global Courtship Map” with vetted suggestions and travel/testimonies.

5.​

Problem: Some men define themselves only by what they reject, not what they embody.
Solution: Embrace:

• Leadership (Ephesians 5:25–33)
• Provision (1 Timothy 5:8)
• Protection (Genesis 2:15)
• Grace and Patience (Colossians 3:19)

ACTION: Weekly Bible study thread on “Masculinity in Scripture” + testimonies from men walking it out.

6.​

Problem: No clear examples of men who made it — who built a family through faith, not fantasy.
Solution: Invite married Christian men (even from outside the forum) to:

• Share their stories.
• Offer mentorship.
• Answer questions about choosing, courting, leading, and growing in marriage.

ACTION: Launch “Marriage Talks with Real Husbands” — invite-only interviews or AMAs.

7.​

Problem: The thread is a lot of venting with little brotherhood or accountability.
Solution: Turn it into a tribe — not of critics, but of builders.

• Meetups.
• Online groups (Discord, Signal).
• Partnerships for travel, missions, or matchmaking.

ACTION: Launch a forum category for “Christian Brotherhood & Courtship Missions.”

Final Thoughts:​

If these changes were made, the forum could transform into a launchpad for faith-driven husbands and fathers, not just a commentary circle on cultural collapse.

Success by Page 200? Absolutely — if every man commits to the process.
The path to a wife and family is not blocked by women — it’s cleared by righteous leadership, personal order, and spiritual courage.

Let me know if you'd like a full template life-plan for one of these men — spiritual, practical, travel, online courtship strategy, all customized.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

Who could have imagined that chatGPT would be the one to save us from societal collapse. Its a great tool for structuring information but it cant create unique thoughts of its own, its just a summary of the data it has acces to. btw this is not to throw shade at anyone i am here posting as a single man too. As you see nr4 it slipped up a bit.

on a scale from 1 to 10 how likely are the single men who post in this thread to find and build a succesfull christian marriage by the time the thread reaches 200 pages. analyze all 104 pages in this link https://christisking.cc/threads/the-destruction-of-modern-women.59/ and explain the reasoning

After a thorough review of the 104-page thread titled "The Destruction of Modern Women" on ChristIsKing.cc, it's evident that the discussions within are extensive and delve into various aspects of modern society, relationships, and Christian values.

Likelihood of Achieving a Successful Christian Marriage by Page 200: 3/10
Key Factors Influencing This Assessment:

1. Predominant Focus on Critique Over Constructive Guidance:The thread is heavily centered on criticizing modern women, particularly those from Western cultures. While it addresses genuine concerns about societal shifts and challenges in relationships, the discussions often lack actionable advice or strategies for men seeking to build successful, faith-centered marriages.
2. Echo Chamber Dynamics:The forum tends to reinforce similar viewpoints without encouraging diverse perspectives or critical self-reflection. This environment can limit personal growth and the development of effective approaches to forming meaningful relationships.
3. Limited Emphasis on Personal Development:There is a noticeable absence of discussions promoting self-improvement, spiritual growth, or practical steps toward becoming a suitable partner in a Christian marriage. Without this focus, the likelihood of participants preparing themselves adequately for such relationships diminishes.
4. Scarcity of Positive Role Models and Success Stories:The thread lacks examples of individuals who have successfully navigated the challenges discussed and built fulfilling Christian marriages. Such narratives can be instrumental in providing hope and practical insights for others.

Conclusion:
While the thread offers a platform for expressing concerns about modern societal trends, its current trajectory—with an emphasis on critique over constructive dialogue—may not effectively equip participants with the tools and mindset necessary for achieving successful Christian marriages. For individuals genuinely seeking such outcomes, engaging in communities or discussions that prioritize personal growth, spiritual development, and actionable guidance may prove more beneficial.

what needs to be done to reach a 10 out of 10 rating for each single man posting in the destruction of modern women thread to reach relationship succes by the time the thread reaches 200 pages

To help each single man in the thread “The Destruction of Modern Women” move from venting and cultural critique to real relationship success, here’s what would need to change to reach a 10/10 likelihood of building a successful Christian marriage by page 200.

This isn't about softening convictions — it's about channeling energy into results, rebuilding masculine virtue, and honoring Christ in pursuit of a wife and family.

What Needs to Be Done (Individually + As a Community)​

1.​

Problem: Endless complaining reinforces bitterness and helplessness.
Solution: Each man should create a clear written mission with answers to:

• What kind of woman do I want (spiritually, mentally, culturally)?
• What kind of man must I become to attract, lead, and keep her?
• Where and how will I meet her (specific plan for local or international courtship)?

ACTION: Start a “Man’s Marriage Mission Log” thread: updates on progress in personal development, courtship, prayer, etc.

2.​

Problem: Many posters are stuck in idle analysis or resentment cycles.
Solution: Implement daily structure with spiritual and practical habits:

• Prayer, Bible study, fasting (for spiritual leadership)
• Fitness, grooming, money management (to lead and provide)
• Work ethic and purpose (masculine identity builder)

ACTION: Forum challenge: “90 Days to Marriage Readiness” — accountability threads for physical, financial, and spiritual development.

3.​

Problem: Rants against women harden the heart and repel the very kind of woman a man seeks.
Solution: Train speech in wisdom, not wrath. Practice leading with purpose, not resentment.

• Replace mockery with discernment.
• Speak of God’s design for women and marriage with hope and authority, not sarcasm.

ACTION: Appoint moderators to challenge low-effort rage posting and encourage redemptive, mature conversation.

4.​

Problem: No clear roadmap for meeting women outside the degenerate Western cultural matrix.
Solution: Create guides for:

• Online courtship (Christian dating sites, Eastern European/South American faith-based communities, referrals through churches).
• In-person scouting (travel plans, mission trips, Christian pilgrimages, international Christian conferences).

ACTION: Build a sticky thread: “Where to Find Faithful Women — Global Courtship Map” with vetted suggestions and travel/testimonies.

5.​

Problem: Some men define themselves only by what they reject, not what they embody.
Solution: Embrace:

• Leadership (Ephesians 5:25–33)
• Provision (1 Timothy 5:8)
• Protection (Genesis 2:15)
• Grace and Patience (Colossians 3:19)

ACTION: Weekly Bible study thread on “Masculinity in Scripture” + testimonies from men walking it out.

6.​

Problem: No clear examples of men who made it — who built a family through faith, not fantasy.
Solution: Invite married Christian men (even from outside the forum) to:

• Share their stories.
• Offer mentorship.
• Answer questions about choosing, courting, leading, and growing in marriage.

ACTION: Launch “Marriage Talks with Real Husbands” — invite-only interviews or AMAs.

7.​

Problem: The thread is a lot of venting with little brotherhood or accountability.
Solution: Turn it into a tribe — not of critics, but of builders.

• Meetups.
• Online groups (Discord, Signal).
• Partnerships for travel, missions, or matchmaking.

ACTION: Launch a forum category for “Christian Brotherhood & Courtship Missions.”

Final Thoughts:​

If these changes were made, the forum could transform into a launchpad for faith-driven husbands and fathers, not just a commentary circle on cultural collapse.

Success by Page 200? Absolutely — if every man commits to the process.
The path to a wife and family is not blocked by women — it’s cleared by righteous leadership, personal order, and spiritual courage.

Let me know if you'd like a full template life-plan for one of these men — spiritual, practical, travel, online courtship strategy, all customized.

Would you quit clogging up the thread with long-winded AI slop?

This basically sounds like remixed versions of the posts from some of the regulars on this thread. I wonder why they bother investing time into individually crafting the posts they write when they could have saved a lot of time by just putting a prompt into ChatGPT like you just did and have it automatically generate posts that are pretty much the same in content and quality as the ones that have been spinning up from their own minds.

Some of us value sharing our own thoughts with other men in good faith, and don't enjoy talking to Jewish chatbots that scold you for wrongthink every chance they get.

It's polluting the forum and has no doubt driven some people away.

...Because there's one (1) thread where people sometimes vent about bad experiences with women? It's not even like that's the only thing people do on this thread. Half of my posts on here aren't really even about women at all.

Glass half full types will come in and give actionable advice but 99% of the time it's dismissed.

Actually, half the time, when "glass half-full types" come in here, they pretty much just go "lol, I hate this thread, stop posting on this thread, I am better than all of you," and then they leave. Maybe they hurl some insults at this thread's regular users on their way out. Insofar as they give actionable advice, it's always just basic stuff that we already discuss on here.

 

[Blade Runner]

All advice which focuses on outcomes - in this case, either finding a wife, or protecting yourself from evils of women - are flawed and cannot hope to satisfy all men.

I agree.

The catch? When you receive such things, you will no longer need them. When a man has God, he does not need anything, and yet paradoxically, that is when God will be most generous to you. So by the time you get all the things you previously wanted, you'll no longer want them.

That's also true, it's why dark triad douches also "get women" or don't care when they don't, so they win either way.

With God, however, one can really be independent, and free themselves from the "Game" entirely, which, ironically, makes one far more attractive to women, even though that's not the intent.

You're mostly right here, but not really on the last part.

The part people keep glossing over is that until probably 65 or 70 for a healthy man, especially one who hasn't had a past wife or legacy/children, is that you aren't going to be independent of T. I've said this before, but I guess I have to repeat it and stress it: that's what this thread is about, especially since the Christian life is about mastering that drive, or having a "sanctioned" outlet. You could argue that you have repentance, but no one wants to try to game or make a mockery of confession, so the thing becomes circular. Put simply: if I didn't want to have sex with (a woman) at least occasionally, no, I wouldn't bother posting here. Understand? It's not that hard to see this or come to this conclusion.

Actually, half the time, when "glass half-full types" come in here, they pretty much just go "lol, I hate this thread, stop posting on this thread, I am better than all of you," and then they leave. Maybe they hurl some insults at this thread's regular users on their way out. Insofar as they give actionable advice, it's always just basic stuff that we already discuss on here.

Yes, why are the guys who either "don't care" or "know so much more" care so much about people they malign in their posts, people that didn't even ask for their take? I don't mind anyone opining, the part that is both silly and meaningless is that they do it in direct opposition to the point of the thread.

 

[ginsu]

Indeed if you put a thread on ignore it will disapear from every list, everything that can be said has been said. I will keep it like that because i have an addictive personality and the best way to deal with temptations for me personally is to just remove them completely. Im going to focus more on the christian section of the forum as that is the biggest area i can work on and learn about.

i am just now entering another phase in the beginning of the christian journey because for years i rejected the church, i saw how they failed during covid times and lacking positive masculine examples. Then after that where a few years of deep physical and mental suffering due to illness. At this time i had no energy or mental ability to even read a single page of the bible the words kept escaping me and i looked down at the page with a blank stare having forgotten what i had read so i put it off for a long time.

There was a lot of anger towards the world and god. I wanted nothing more than to live life and strife for my goals but what will you do when you can barely walk or think straight. My conclusion was that god is real and some are blessed by him because i saw what good lives they lead but he simply does not care for some people and i counted myself among them. In the darkest moments i asked him everynight to not let me wake up the next morning, then i begged him, and then i cursed and threatened. It was ugly but that is what prolonged suffering will do, its not this enlightened and holy experience atleast it was not for me.

Covid times had a big negative impact on my character alongside my declining health that i was unaware of at that time, i lost my way. These things combined made me more cynical and dislike other people and society in general. I became more anti social and unfriendly. ultimately it is not the illness that caused me to lose my previous relationship it was ignorance about life and health and spiritual immaturity. And what relationships are really about, its not just the good times.

Had i had a better vision and more tools at my disposal i would have made better choices. Reading back now over the advice given i can see it, all there is to do is rebuild and do better for the future. You can have the most perfect christian girl but if you are not meeting or exceeding her level you are still at risk of failure . I have made a commitment to myself as part of physical recovery and a sort of pilgrimage to walk every historical path in nature in my county. Sometimes taking hours and there can be small chapels along the way on occasion, Maybe it will bring something good.

make bluepill and god pill great again

 

[Australia Sucks]

Yes, why are the guys who either "don't care" or "know so much more" care so much about people they malign in their posts, people that didn't even ask for their take? I don't mind anyone opining, the part that is both silly and meaningless is that they do it in direct opposition to the point of the thread.

On any internet forum there is never a shortage of men wanting to feel better about themselves by playing the role of internet tough guy.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I just wanted to share some thoughts on this topic. Some of this I might have said before, but I want to make sure to share this out there for public consumption in case I did not.

#1) In my experience, women are becoming easier to deal with in the USA. It might just be the region I am, but I think this is due to a combination of a few things...

a) Women have now put career first and career is no longer fun time at work, with a trash economy and millions of immigrants coming in, they are struggling to keep their head above water. Many joke they want a sugar daddy, but deep down most don't want a life style like this. They want a man who can help bail them out. While this isn't an idea situation, it is an opportunity for men that didn't exist 10 years ago.

b) More women stayed single longer chasing a career, and now there are more late 20's-early 30's women, who have some real-life experience, who can actually appreciate a good man v. 20 years ago. I meet lots of women like this. The behavior and attitude difference of most women in this age range and women in their early 20's is often very different and much more reasonable.

c) Fewer and fewer men have a ton of disposable income and while women don't like this reality, they are coming to accept it more and more. Your competition is not as stark as you might imagine, most guys are hurting right now.

#2) As a man you must always be trying to grow and improve. This was true for all human history. Yes, men got married young, but they had to grow and improve, often still learning from their fathers and other older men, well into their 30's. Being a man is like being and Oak tree. It is a slow and long growth, but when you finally get there, you are sturdy and strong to survive the storms life throws at you. This includes improvement in physical, mental, financial, spiritual, as all these will be very important if you want to become a father.

#3) Patience, it just takes time, and in today's world it takes longer than ever before because men are held back so much. It is very tough as well, in your 20's your hormones are raging, but if you can battle through and grow and learn, the patience will pay off big time. I am in my late 40's and just feel like I am hitting my stride. And due to a few things, I feel I am probably experience attention from women most other men never experience. A lot of it is because I am tall and decent looking. I dress nice, I work out and eat religiously, and I work on my posture. Women notice this very quickly.

#4) Confidence and posture. These are probably the two things women notice first and find attractive. This will come from discipline, hard work, and the slow growth of believing in yourself. For the "natural" guys this comes to naturally, they might get lucky, find someone young and be done with it. If not, they will likely crash and burn as life disappoints them and have to start over like the rest of us. Chest out, walk with a purpose, each step, be friendly and have a look of confidence and happiness/peace in your eyes, and be in no hurry to respond to others to keep from buying into their frame.

#5) Working out. You should be trying to be as physically imposing as possible if you want to attract women. The larger and fitter you look, the more women notice. I am lucky to be tall. When I go thin, or have in the past, I become invisible to women. When I bulk up, women's eyes fall all over me. The difference is stark, shocking, almost should be a case study. I wouldn't mine losing 10 pounds for my joints and for jumping ability, and most of that weight would be muscle if I were to lose it. But I am keeping it on because I am trying to find the right woman and it opens up more possibilities for me.

 

[Blade Runner]

I will keep it like that because i have an addictive personality and the best way to deal with temptations for me personally is to just remove them completely.

This sorta proves our point. Why would it even be a temptation to visit an "unrealistic", "stupid", thread? What bothers you and others like you so much about this? Come clean.

Im going to focus more on the christian section of the forum as that is the biggest area i can work on and learn about.

Good. That is a good plan.

make bluepill and god pill great again

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a) Women have now put career first and career is no longer fun time at work, with a trash economy and millions of immigrants coming in, they are struggling to keep their head above water. Many joke they want a sugar daddy, but deep down most don't want a life style like this. They want a man who can help bail them out. While this isn't an idea situation, it is an opportunity for men that didn't exist 10 years ago.

Yes, BUT the social media and spend money, Jones'ing, keepin' up, and attention economy of doing nothing (smartphones/apps) is still there. Every woman wants a bailout, especially if she is 27+. All the way until basically 60. With the laws and behavior, though (again), what am I getting out of this? Things can be enforced on men legally, not women. Period.

b) More women stayed single longer chasing a career, and now there are more late 20's-early 30's women, who have some real-life experience, who can actually appreciate a good man v. 20 years ago. I meet lots of women like this.

I don't see this. I admit regional differences and your class of people socioeconomically (spoiled women) can influence this greatly. A woman who is old and in her 30s, if she is in shape, still has enough attention from simps and older guys to not select a good man. IF she's in shape, and mostly they are just also not worth the effort, given that age and our culture.

Your competition is not as stark as you might imagine, most guys are hurting right now.

Still, women try to play the lottery and aren't discerning. They are hooked on phones, attention, and the idea that they can go out and a guy is going to pay for it all. Not gonna happen, Olivia.

 

[Australia Sucks]

#1) In my experience, women are becoming easier to deal with in the USA. It might just be the region I am, but I think this is due to a combination of a few things...

a) Women have now put career first and career is no longer fun time at work, with a trash economy and millions of immigrants coming in, they are struggling to keep their head above water. Many joke they want a sugar daddy, but deep down most don't want a life style like this. They want a man who can help bail them out. While this isn't an idea situation, it is an opportunity for men that didn't exist 10 years ago.

b) More women stayed single longer chasing a career, and now there are more late 20's-early 30's women, who have some real-life experience, who can actually appreciate a good man v. 20 years ago. I meet lots of women like this. The behavior and attitude difference of most women in this age range and women in their early 20's is often very different and much more reasonable.

Remember what women say and what they actually do are two different things completely. Women might whine more now about their careers and financial situation but I am not actually seeing them settle down with provider men until they are post wall (i.e. 30+).

If things really had improved noticeably as you claim you would already be settled with a good woman instead of posting on this thread.....

If things were improving this thread would not be over 100 pages long.

Also remember that what you wrote about careers and immigrants might be true but on the flipside today women have access to only fans and sugar baby dating websites, etc that they didn't have ten years ago which means their careers are less important than previously as they now have a plan b. Not to mention unprecedented simping and thirst from men. Women having gotten fatter and uglier than ever in the west to the point that in a Anglosphere country a 5 is the new 7 these days.

While I cannot speak to USA directly all western countries are pretty similar and I noticed dating prospects have deteriorated a lot in the past 10 years in Australia and I would bet money on it that its the same in USA.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

Husbands with Much Higher Incomes Than Their Wives Have a Lower Chance of Divorce

It is true that more than half of all marriages in the U.S. are now dual-earner marriages and the share of women who earn as much as or significantly more than their husband has roughly tripled over the past 50 years. According to the PEW Research Institute, in 1972 the wife was the primary or...

ifstudies.org

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Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen's 'ironclad' prenup and staggering net worths

American football legend Tom Brady and supermodel ex-wife Gisele Bündchen each have their own individual fortunes - but surprisingly the separation of their wealth 'wasn't that complicated'

www.mirror.co.uk

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Hypergamy means women want men with more money, which in the case of Brady vs Giselle she makes more. She clearly sees herself as above Brady and was unwilling to submit to her husband’s wishes.

https://archive.ph/CYLYo

From Matt Forney Blog:
The case against female self-esteem.

Modern women are too prideful and arrogant. The most common deadly sin of women is pride while for men it’s lust, which is why social media revolves around thirst traps. Prideful women think “I don’t need a man” and will divorce their husbands more often.

 

[Steady Hands]

Find a woman who is younger (no, I have never been one to say I need "age X and virgin") and see if the compatibility is possible, since the social taboo in America won't allow for younger women, maybe 32 youngest, but the culture still is cooked and they can just eject and steal all your stuff. Mostly the remaining women in America are 30s or older, especially if religious, who just aren't attractive given all the time and costs. Just sayin'

Ok, thanks for sharing your goals. Perhaps you could consider sharing your recent interactions with women as a way for others to understand your situation or experiences. I'll leave it with you for now

...Because there's one (1) thread where people sometimes vent about bad experiences with women? It's not even like that's the only thing people do on this thread. Half of my posts on here aren't really even about women at all.

The title of this thread is self-explanatory and members entering should adjust their expectations accordingly. Nonetheless, if the venting was mainly kept to one thread, the doom-resistance would not be as pronounced. I've spoken about the pervasive nature of the trend of 'repetitive complaints without solutions' off-line with a few members like @Bizet, who mentioned this issue here:https://christisking.cc/threads/the-hot-holy-matrix.1124/page-2#post-81300 This tendency seems inevitable in online communities. I accept that. The difference here is that, due to the limited number of CIK members, each one of us has individual power to contribute to the vibe of the forum.

Please take a look at this post as it seemed to have slipped through without as much attention as it deserves. The video a deeper dive into cynicism ive listened to it and thought it was profound and helpfull.

Thanks. I appreciate the acknowledgement.

Indeed, it is a great video discussion in that it helps to explain the psychological function of cynicism; question the notion that chronic, trait-based cynicism equates to intelligence and wisdom; and offer ways to move past it.

More info for other readers:

How To Be More Hopeful In A Cynical World - Dr Jamil Zaki

Chris Williamson​

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21 Sept2024

Dr Jamil Zaki is a psychologist, professor at Stanford University, and an author.In a world filled with fake news, bad news and doom, it’s easy to become cynical. But what does science say about whether cynicism helps or harms us? Why is it so seductive, and how can we all learn to become more hopeful? Expect to learn why people are so tempted by cynicism, how scepticism is different, if cynical people are more or less happy, health, intelligent and successful, whether there is a reason to feel more hopeful, the role of optimism in your life, how to cultivate more positivity and much more…

-00:00 Why is Cynicism So Alluring? 06:10 The Cynicism Safety Blanket 15:11 How to Spot a Cynical Person22:05 Is Cynicism Contagious?26:58 Can Someone Be Universally Cynical? 30:51 How Cynicism Has Grown Over Time 37:09 Does Childhood Impact Cynicism? 41:28 Tools to Combat Cynicism 56:05 Why This Was Personal for Jamil 1:03:48 Advice for People Who Want to Take More Risks 1:07:27 Where to Find Jamil

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You should give up! Give up posting armchair observations in this thread and court and meet up with a number of women, modern or otherwise and then if you like post about specific women you have spent time with rather.

It's polluting the forum and has no doubt driven some people away.

He is not in touch with reality in this matter at all.

People have to realise that the ideas in this thread are true for a subset of "modern" women and develop the instinct to spot them and avoid them, or humour them but keep moving. Not stare at videos of the worst kind of entitlement etc.

I tend to agree with the content of your post. That said, it's understandable why you received push back. Some points follow to expand on this:

>> 1:https://christisking.cc/threads/daily-interactions-with-women.981/page-4#post-54531. See point one:

'Remember that telling people they are wrong will not help you'.

>> 2:https://christisking.cc/threads/the...er-enlightenment-thread.536/page-7#post-87458. This includes a nod to the importance of embodying the principles you're advocating for

If... you want others to follow your lead and adopt your beliefs, it would be much more effective to show them how it's done with lived principles and specific strategies, rather than scolding and projecting hate onto them. Within your essay are some fair points to consider, no doubt, however many of these points are expressed with unnecessary aggression throughout. If you are seeking to influence others, insulting them is unlikely to help your cause

Telling people online to "be positive bro" seems to be about as useful as our moms telling us to "be yourself honey", a 6'6" model-looking guy saying "be natural dude", or a priest saying "have faith". These are throwaway lines that don't necessarily help. That said, even when we offer a practical, tailored solution to someone, it doesn't mean the person wants to consider it or action it.

>> 3. Often people post online seeking mirroring, validation, and encouragement, rather than advice. Unless someone asks a clear question, with a question mark (?) they probably aren't seeking advice. Considering where someone is along the stages of change can help us to tailor our response.

Source:https://strongerminds.co.uk/use-psy...for-mental-health-the-stages-of-change-model/

>> 4:

'Once someone has made an irreversible decision or gone past the point of no return, it is EXTREMELY hard to make them change their mind.'

See:https://christisking.cc/threads/nick-fuentes-thread.128/page-42#post-78118. A few posters seem to have 100% "checked out" from seeking a committed relationship. To be clear, I am not criticising their decision because I cannot know their circumstances. In fact, it's easy for me to empathise with this sentiment.

In such cases, it may be useful to accept that these individuals are not seeking help. Moreover, there may be no argument or evidence that can be presented to change their mind on topics relating to women. This is because holding firmly to a negative viewpoint is a necessary approach to maintain a sense of self consistency, eliminate FOMO, and reduce pangs of regret. From this perspective, a certain level of negative perception of the world helps them deal with their present reality and past choices.

We all have these tendencies to some degree and its up to each of us to determine the extent to which these thoughts, attitudes, or beliefs are helping or hindering us.

>> 5: So, ignoring or scrolling by certain threads/posts may be the best way to stay engaged with CIK in other ways. Just as we encourage others to have selective, conscious focus rather than getting sucked into threat-inducing rage bait, we too can still enjoy our time on CIK by deliberately choosing what to engage with.

I hope this helps. All the best.

 

[Steady Hands]

P.S. I'm in the mood for memes

 

[FrancisK]

This meme always cracks me up because the girl might as well be a clone of one my exes and she used to do that, she would watch me sleep like a weirdo hahahahhaha

P.S. I'm in the mood for memes


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[Douglas Quaid]

Would you quit clogging up the thread with long-winded AI slop?

Some of us value sharing our own thoughts with other men in good faith, and don't enjoy talking to Jewish chatbots that scold you for wrongthink every chance they get.

...Because there's one (1) thread where people sometimes vent about bad experiences with women? It's not even like that's the only thing people do on this thread. Half of my posts on here aren't really even about women at all.

Actually, half the time, when "glass half-full types" come in here, they pretty much just go "lol, I hate this thread, stop posting on this thread, I am better than all of you," and then they leave. Maybe they hurl some insults at this thread's regular users on their way out. Insofar as they give actionable advice, it's always just basic stuff that we already discuss on here.

Yeah it makes no sense for them to come in here like that, when the whole idea of this thread is to talk about the destruction of most women. And to discuss the red flags. Why the hell would we want to settle for the vast majority of women. Men have very few places to vent, and even here we have to put up with the simping.

At least we're out there putting in the effort, even during this freak show of the modern world. And unless you get lucky, the only way to find a nice woman is to put up with a lot of nonsense, figure out the green flags, go where the good women are, etc. It takes a lot of practice for most men to build the confidence to do these things.

Here's something positive to talk about. Learn how to dance. Almost all the nice women I meet like to dance.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Ok, thanks for sharing your goals. Perhaps you could consider sharing your recent interactions with women as a way for others to understand your situation or experiences. I'll leave it with you for now



The title of this thread is self-explanatory and members entering should adjust their expectations accordingly. Nonetheless, if the venting was mainly kept to one thread, the doom-resistance would not be as pronounced. I've spoken about the pervasive nature of the trend of 'repetitive complaints without solutions' off-line with a few members like @Bizet, who mentioned this issue here:https://christisking.cc/threads/the-hot-holy-matrix.1124/page-2#post-81300 This tendency seems inevitable in online communities. I accept that. The difference here is that, due to the limited number of CIK members, each one of us has individual power to contribute to the vibe of the forum.



Thanks. I appreciate the acknowledgement.

Indeed, it is a great video discussion in that it helps to explain the psychological function of cynicism; question the notion that chronic, trait-based cynicism equates to intelligence and wisdom; and offer ways to move past it.

More info for other readers:

---

I tend to agree with the content of your post. That said, it's understandable why you received push back. Some points follow to expand on this:

>> 1:https://christisking.cc/threads/daily-interactions-with-women.981/page-4#post-54531. See point one:


>> 2:https://christisking.cc/threads/the...er-enlightenment-thread.536/page-7#post-87458. This includes a nod to the importance of embodying the principles you're advocating for


Telling people online to "be positive bro" seems to be about as useful as our moms telling us to "be yourself honey", a 6'6" model-looking guy saying "be natural dude", or a priest saying "have faith". These are throwaway lines that don't necessarily help. That said, even when we offer a practical, tailored solution to someone, it doesn't mean the person wants to consider it or action it.

>> 3. Often people post online seeking mirroring, validation, and encouragement, rather than advice. Unless someone asks a clear question, with a question mark (?) they probably aren't seeking advice. Considering where someone is along the stages of change can help us to tailor our response.

Source:https://strongerminds.co.uk/use-psy...for-mental-health-the-stages-of-change-model/

>> 4:

See:https://christisking.cc/threads/nick-fuentes-thread.128/page-42#post-78118. A few posters seem to have 100% "checked out" from seeking a committed relationship. To be clear, I am not criticising their decision because I cannot know their circumstances. In fact, it's easy for me to empathise with this sentiment.

In such cases, it may be useful to accept that these individuals are not seeking help. Moreover, there may be no argument or evidence that can be presented to change their mind on topics relating to women. This is because holding firmly to a negative viewpoint is a necessary approach to maintain a sense of self consistency, eliminate FOMO, and reduce pangs of regret. From this perspective, a certain level of negative perception of the world helps them deal with their present reality and past choices.

We all have these tendencies to some degree and its up to each of us to determine the extent to which these thoughts, attitudes, or beliefs are helping or hindering us.

>> 5: So, ignoring or scrolling by certain threads/posts may be the best way to stay engaged with CIK in other ways. Just as we encourage others to have selective, conscious focus rather than getting sucked into threat-inducing rage bait, we too can still enjoy our time on CIK by deliberately choosing what to engage with.

I hope this helps. All the best.

The stuff about taking action is that while it does get talked about occasionally when it comes to finding a marriageable woman its a very long grind so posting real time updates is like watching paint dry which is why we don't talk about it even if we are doing it. To increase your chances of finding a worthwhile woman you should:
-Get in the best shape possible and look as young as possible
-Have as much money as possible
-Speak multiple relevant languages
-Relocate (or at least long term travel) to the right country
-Meet a sufficient number of women.
-For the Christians you can add praying and church attendance to this list

For example in regards to getting in shape I recently started going to the gym (in addition to other forms of exercise I was already doing). It will likely take a few years to make good muscle gains. Am I supposed to make weekly posts about it my gym routine and results etc?
-In regards to money I have been continuing to invest this year (as in previous years) but wealth accumulation generally takes years. I am planning to retire within the next few years but again am I supposed to post weekly updates about my financial progress?

I could talk about the other points also but basically it is a similar type of story.

We are not posting about actionable advice because we all know the things we need to be doing which are pretty basic points and most of us are working towards our goals in the background but these are all long term goals so repeatedly talking about it is not useful. This is not a self improvement thread. We all are already aware of what we need to do and are doing it but it takes time to get to the destination in the meantime this thread provides an opportunity to vent and entertainment. The thread is to talk about the negative aspects of today's culture when it comes to women.

We didn't ask for advice (at least in regards to this topic) nor do we need advice. The one area where advice would actually be useful is bringing back travel datasheets like the old Rooshv forum but the purity spiralists on this forum are against that idea and eventually that will be the death of this forum. That is the one thing that would actually help guys on the forum towards a successful long term relationship. Everything else is just basic stuff that we all know we need to do and agree on. The travel datasheets were actually the backbone of the Rooshv 1.0 forum when the forum was at its peak. Without the travel data sheets the forum will struggle. Yes the focus of the datasheets can shift from fornication to marriage but it doesn't meant here should not be a datasheet. The lack of travel datasheets is why this forum is so dead.

Your intentions are good but nobody on this thread is looking for a self help guru giving basic advice which is obvious to all.

 

[Blade Runner]

I hope this helps. All the best.

Yes, thanks. The key is to find a better environment to interact with volume, since proximity is what the key is to everything. I've admitted that for a long time, I lack that currently, but I'm also building the base for making that happen. If it doesn't happen due to age, or whatever reason, it doesn't happen, and I'm fine with that.

Yeah it makes no sense for them to come in here like that, when the whole idea of this thread is to talk about the destruction of most women. And to discuss the red flags. Why the hell would we want to settle for the vast majority of women. Men have very few places to vent, and even here we have to put up with the simping.

It's self evident. And notice no one has answered yet why they have to come in, or even admitted that they have this weird urge to come in and post things that make the thread even worse (a back and forth that renders the thread MORE worthless than they already claim it is).

Here's something positive to talk about. Learn how to dance. Almost all the nice women I meet like to dance.

Yes, it's a good piece of advice. I wouldn't call that a bad faith post. Cappy would say he did all that but he's too short and doesn't see ROI, or good behavior, either. He has to live with that and his particular thoughts, and ego. Like we all do.

-Relocate (or at least long term travel) to the right country
-Meet a sufficient number of women.
-For the Christians you can add praying and church attendance to this list

Exactly my point. "Just go already!" is not wise, even though it is good advice (take action). You need the other things in a very stable format with cushioning/wealth so you don't mess the rest of your life up.

We all are already aware of what we need to do and are doing it but it takes time to get to the destination in the meantime this thread provides an opportunity to vent and entertainment. The thread is to talk about the negative aspects of today's culture when it comes to women

Of course. What else is more meaningful, the conspiracy threads? The money or investment ones? Possibly, but even those eventually all come back to women, in one way or another. It's why any man really worked (to the degree the west had a rat race).

The lack of travel datasheets is why this forum is so dead.

I haven't seen anyone counter this, either. I defend AS a lot because I don't think he's a bad faith poster, he just tries to be honest from his own POV.

 

[Wutang]

For example in regards to getting in shape I recently started going to the gym (in addition to other forms of exercise I was already doing). It will likely take a few years to make good muscle gains. Am I supposed to make weekly posts about it my gym routine and results etc?
-In regards to money I have been continuing to invest this year (as in previous years) but wealth accumulation generally takes years. I am planning to retire within the next few years but again am I supposed to post weekly updates about my financial progress?

There actually are threads of that nature. For example PurpleUrkel has a thread talking about him getting his health back on track with posting about his progress and other members posting their advice:

P

Thread 'Basic Foundation for Health Recovery'

Feb 27, 2025

I am fortunate that I have good genes, however I have been very hard on my 50+ year old body and I am looking for basic ways to recover and improve my physical and mental health. A decade ago I was an in shape athlete but have since let my health slip after a depressing breakup and to pursue money.

I've started the process of recovery by doing the following things:

1. Stopped drinking alcohol and smoking.
2. Drinking only water and decaffinated green tea (with a daily dose of ACV).
3. Started walking a lot and stopped fapping (will soon add more vigorous exercise in the form of weights...

• PurpleUrkel
• Replies: 26
• Forum: Food & Health

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As for money and such, we have a long running bitcoin thread as well as a stock market thread. There's also threads on precious metals, saving up for retirement and other financial topics.

If the threads I presented above were instead were threads to vent about being fat and out of shape or about being poor then people would be calling these threads out as well. If I was poor and I wanted a thread specifically to vent and to complain about capitalism then I would rightfully be critiqued for constantly doing nothing but venting.

If you are going to say "well I'm not going to provide weekly updates about what I'm doing cause there's no value in that and we already know the advice" then I would turn this back around and ask what is the point of providing yet weekly thoughts about how the state of dating is horrible especially when we are already aware of all this information and of all the red flags related to dating in the west. If you are going to then say that it's just for entertainment and venting then I would ask what sort of value you get from this sort of "entertainment". The reason people are chiming in on this thread because there's a feeling among many other posters that this sort of venting is actually detrimental to the atmos of the forum and as Steady Hands as pointed out, it actually spreads beyond this thread to the rest of the forum.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Once again, the title of this thread is "The Destruction of Modern Women". It's exact purpose is to point out the flaws with many modern women and what to watch out for. Younger men that are looking for a woman to build a life with will very likely run into these things.

Are there problems with many men? Absolutely. Are there still nice women? Absolutely. Are any of the posters in this thread perfect? Far from it. But this specific thread is not intended to talk about that. If you do not like it, maybe put it on ignore.

I am the happiest and most confident I have ever been. Coming to a thread like this does not spread negativity. If anything, it helps prevent welcoming negative women into your life.

 

[Wutang]

Are there problems with many men? Absolutely. Are there still nice women? Absolutely. Are any of the posters in this thread perfect? Far from it. But this specific thread is not intended to talk about that. If you do not like it, maybe put it on ignore.

There's no forum rule that you must agree with the points of a thread to comment on it. Many people didn't like the Flat Earth thread and commented on why they thought having a thread like that isn't beneficial for the forum. There was a recent thread where someone was asking about Roosh's whereabouts. If the OP had said "if you aren't interested in tracking down Roosh and have no information on sightings of his beard don't post here or start hating on my weekly vents on how I haven't seen his beard" it wouldn't mean no one else could chime in and make the suggestion that there is better for the OP mentally to be obsessed about where Roosh is (the guy had posted multiple times asking about Roosh's whereabouts) or about Roosh's beard.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

There's no forum rule that you must agree with the points of a thread to comment on it. Many people didn't like the Flat Earth thread and commented on why they thought having a thread like that isn't beneficial for the forum. There was a recent thread where someone was asking about Roosh's whereabouts. If the OP had said "if you aren't interested in tracking down Roosh and have no information on sightings of his beard don't post here or start hating on my weekly vents on how I haven't seen his beard" it wouldn't mean no one else could chime in and make the suggestion that there is better for the OP mentally to be obsessed about where Roosh is (the guy had posted multiple times asking about Roosh's whereabouts) or about Roosh's beard.

I'm not saying you can't comment, or you have to agree. But you are going to have to accept that there are members on here dealing with the problems of modern women out in the real world, and we will be talking about it. It seems to really bother some people around here, and it would be better to ignore this thread instead of repeatedly disrupting it in my opinion.