Its ussually the people who are race mixed themselves who take no issue with race mixing funny how that works. Its the same way migrants have no issue with the browning of white western nations.
The Reaction To "Game" & Other Past Vile Behaviour - After Enlightenment - Thread
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I am not race mixed just to be clear. Both my parents are of the same race.
And not all migrants are pro immigration. I was born in Australia to migrant parents and I would rather the country stop immigration (lock the proverbial gate behind myself lol).
In hindsight I still feel as though RSD (real social dynamics) was a legit company that taught men useful stuff about female psychology. I used to watch their videos and browse the forums. I remember there was a question about how to approach women at a library. One of the RSD "coaches" wrote a one line explanation on how to do it using a pen and a sheet of paper. I tried it and I was stunned when I saw how it actually helped me start conversations with the quiet library girls.
RSD also had an "official" book list that they recommended and it included useful stuff for men. In addition, they have a systematic approach to dating apps that even included using excel sheets and exclusively canned openers and lines to simply break apps like Tinder that hard for men by default.
Now, do I think men should spend $2000 for a weekend seminar in a room full of 200 guys where they practice shouting just to cure their anxiety of speaking in front of a crowd? Definitely not, the same learning effect of overcoming a flinch can be achieved by simply taking a cold shower or jumping into a lake or the ocean in winter. Thus, a lot of what they were doing was a huge scam tailored towards gullible, lonely men. But if you knew how to filter through the information, it was still a useful resource for men of all ages. And that's why governments that promote all kinds of degeneracy were so hell bent on shutting that industry down.
RSD also had an "official" book list that they recommended and it included useful stuff for men. In addition, they have a systematic approach to dating apps that even included using excel sheets and exclusively canned openers and lines to simply break apps like Tinder that hard for men by default.
Now, do I think men should spend $2000 for a weekend seminar in a room full of 200 guys where they practice shouting just to cure their anxiety of speaking in front of a crowd? Definitely not, the same learning effect of overcoming a flinch can be achieved by simply taking a cold shower or jumping into a lake or the ocean in winter. Thus, a lot of what they were doing was a huge scam tailored towards gullible, lonely men. But if you knew how to filter through the information, it was still a useful resource for men of all ages. And that's why governments that promote all kinds of degeneracy were so hell bent on shutting that industry down.
If I'm honest, I think what's clearly happening is that the cradle/ethnic people are losing out, and more faithful converts and coming in, having kids, etc. The reason why it ever frustrated me was because it didn't seem like it should be hard to find above average women in a religion that wasn't huge or watered down. The truth is that sometimes you only get a small number of shots at things. The bigger picture is that this world is fleeting and passing away, so while sad in a sense, it actually doesn't matter "if you have kids" if you really follow the whole thing out, secular or religious wise, it all has an end point that nullifies some sort of "survival" instinct.
It's true that one must adapt to the times, but it's also true that by the time that this kind of thing is "needed" it's far too late to really matter. At best, it just aids pickup and for most it becomes something closer to revenge as most women by that point aren't invested or interested in actually doing anything or making men's lives better. What we see now is the extension of women largely having no real skin in the game, no care for the future, just what they can get away with. It's not all their fault, as the society is what it is, but something where men have to work hard for 10-20 years before possibly being rewarded at all is not going to be a scenario that works out for marriage and things that require a ton of men, for little to no return. And almost no shot at women in their youth, the biggest point.
"Muh White race" has nothing to do with this. This is about cold hard reality, of supply and demand.
50% of White women, Millennials and younger, are not going to have children. They have been sterilized by our Godless society. This means White men, at MINIMUM, outnumber White women 2 to 1. There is a massive imbalance that can only be rectified by marrying foreign women.
It's either that or extinction. You may think you'll outcompete the other White men for the dwindling supply of White women, but this is just for your own ego gratification. This doesn't solve the sex imbalance nor does it improve the chances for White survival.
The simple fact of the matter is that there are more than enough White men for the available and decent White women out there. It does not matter if White men out marry by the millions, there will still be an oversupply of White men relative to the non-broken Women.
And this analysis does not even take into account that, of the 50% of women who are willing to have children:
20% of them will be single moms out of wedlock
10% will marry out of the race
20-40% of them will divorce-rape their husbands for no good reason
So that 50% is 25% or less, there simply isn't enough supply. Either White men race mix or they go extinct, which is exactly why the passport bro movement is so huge.
Really, White Nationalism is so utterly bankrupt in terms of reality. Of course White men would go for the blonde-haired blue-eyed beauty if they were widely available. No shit. Do you really think that's why the families aren't occurring?
White Nat's are blue-pill. Too much White knighting about muh precious White girls, please, the fight is already over, their spirit is destroyed, their best days are behind them, and we see it reflected in the birth rates. Millennial women aren't going to have families, their already in their 30s to late 30s, single and waiting for Mr. Chad to give them everything they want.
You really articulated the point very well. And people who are intellectually honest know this and its why you can see certain well known white nationalist men married to Asian women.
Where are you getting these numbers from? I see plenty of male DINKs and wannabe players out there who don't want children either. Perhaps around 50%. Most of my old secular friends are like that. Let them pair off with women who don't want kids. Or they'll just watch porn and play video games into their 40s and 50s. They will be the last of their pedigree and die out.
The White population will decline, but we will not go extinct. If 50% of women do want children, and they each have 2, the White population will be cut in half. But I think they'll start having more than 2 since resources like land open up as population declines. And zoomer women still have time to turn things around. Those pro natality genes will be passed on and a new culture will emerge promoting family formation. All the liberals will die out, it's like a societal purification process so things balance out into their own.
I don't blame any guy who wants to marry a non-White woman (personally I can't bring myself to do it), but mass third world immigration is going to cause vastly more problems than a simple population decline. Of course this is all conjecture since these conditions have never been seen before in human history. But don't count the White race out yet.
My theory is a lot of these White nationalists have self esteem issues, which is why they are so obsessed with race. They put the White woman up on a pedestal, and subconsciously don't think they deserve her.
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I think both you and Samseau can be proven right or wrong in terms of numbers, it just depends which city or country you go to.
I disagree with the notion that families will suddenly have 2 or more because "oh, wow, great, finally more land became available." We've kind of discussed this before. There's no specific salary or population density that triggers women's desire to have children.
Anyway, at the end of the day most men will have to lower their standards and expectations somewhat, if they want a white woman in the west. She'll often times either be 5 years older, "ran through" aka had many sexual partners, overweight, a feminist etc.
That doesn't mean it's impossible. But it's still going to be a terrible experience for countless men. This doesn't mean that women from other races are some kind of safe bet though.
do not make assumptions about others (you know nothing about me)
The mask finally drops in full view. You're clearly not White, and you clearly hate us with a personal bias. Only someone who is severed from their roots transposes an economic conflation onto a biological reality.
Humans are not commodities to be traded or exchanged based on some market-driven logic we are biological, spiritual, and racial entities whose existence depends on the preservation of our genetic, ethnic, and social inheritance. Race is not an economic or transactional issue it's an inherent, identity-defining reality.
To reduce this complex issue to a mere economic calculation exposes a profound disconnection from the natural order. Biological realities cannot be divorced from cultural contexts.
The survival of a people isn't a simple exchange of numbers or a matter of finding the best "deal" on a partner it's about ensuring that a people’s bloodline, traditions, and spiritual essence are preserved for future generations. This isn't about "demand", but continuity and identity the very things that form the bedrock of any functional society.
These statements are significantly erroneous. Data from the US Census Bureau of 2020 shows that the sex ratio for non-Hispanic Whites is approximately 97 males for every 100 females suggesting a slight predominance of women not men.
The assertion that half of White Millennial women will remain childless is unfounded. Data from the March of Dimes indicates that on average 50.5% of all live births in the United States during 2021-2023 were to White women. This contradicts your claim and suggests that a significant portion of White women are choosing to have children.
link: https://www.marchofdimes.org/peristats/data?lev=1&obj=3®=99&slev=1&stop=10&top=2
The claim of a 2:1 ratio of White men to White women is another gross exaggeration. The US Census Bureau reports that in 2019 the birth rate among non-Hispanic White women was 9.8 per 1,000 indicating a balanced demographic without such a disparity.
link: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/topics/births.htm
According to US Census data the male-to-female ratio for non-Hispanic Whites is nearly 1:1. In 2020 for every 100 White men there were approximately 98 White women which is a negligible difference that does not create a crisis of “oversupply” of White men.
Marrying foreign women from racially distinct groups does not preserve White genetics it accelerates its dilution. Once someone is mixed, they are forever carrying those genes.
So you're not only factually incorrect but you're also advocating for an outcome that leads to the exact demographic erosion you claim to be concerned about. The true path to European demographic stability is not race-mixing under the guise of “necessity” but fostering strong, numerous, and healthy families within the existing population.
So even in America like I showed above, there is no sex imbalance. The male-to-female ratio among Whites is nearly 1:1 meaning there is no actual "shortage" of White women. The real issue is Western cultural decay which discourages family formation. Fixing the economic and cultural incentives for marriage will naturally lead to population recovery.
Hungary and Poland successfully reversed birth rate declines through pro-family policies such as tax incentives for large families, subsidies for mothers, and housing benefits for Europeans over invaders.
They kvetch endlessly because someone is turning this around especially that there are prominent women wanting minimum of 4 children in European couples:
link: https://populationmatters.org/news/2025/01/hungary-demography-is-destiny/
Marrying foreign women does not “preserve” anything it actively replaces White genetic continuity.
You build entire premises on incorrect information. This is continuing to build from the 2:1 ratio being real, which it isn't in America. In Europe the numbers are even more balanced with women slightly outnumbering men in many countries due to longer female life expectancy.
The “oversupply of White men” argument is mathematically impossible given these numbers. How many of those White men are psychologically broken, or ill or sickly, or sterilized from too many jewish vaccines.
White women are the most targeted prey by the jews and their accomplices. We all know this. We do not know how many White men are broken from the same poison, but from what I have seen the limp-wristed behavior of young White men affects a percentage of them (roughly 14%), which ultimately relegate them to having to race-mix because they can't get a handle on their own women.
The vast majority of White men still marry White women. Census data shows that over 86% of White men in the US who marry, marry within their race.
Race-mixing is the easy way out for White men, it is wrong and selfish and sinful for many reasons.
To paint White women as unsuitable partners in order to justify race-mixing is the dialectic response expected from jewish propaganda. You throw out this random 50% figure with no source, but actual fertility statistics show that the majority of White women still have children, even if later in life than previous generations. Of course there are problems with this age issue.
White illegitimacy rates are actually much lower than those of other groups. The majority of White births (over 70%) occur within marriage.
According to Pew Research only about 9-10% of White women marry non-Whites meaning 90% of White women still marry within their race. So how much is needed to maintain a pure race? The mixies will be known and cast out like the pariahs they are. The idea that interracial marriage is some overwhelming phenomenon is just another exaggeration meant to demoralize White men into thinking we have no options.
Divorce rates among traditional religious couples are as low as 20% in strong Christian families. Yes work is needed there, but this statistic is shit for all races.
Even if the audience generously accepts all of your funny statistics you ignore that the raw number of White women in the US and Europe is still in the tens of millions. There is more than enough “supply” of good women. The issues of acting on those numbers are what the entirety of the old forums were dedicated to, albeit from the wrong perspective.
Race-mixing is tantamount to extinction. If you were White you would know this intrinsically. This is a completely false dilemma, a manipulative rhetorical trick designed to push an agenda rather than an argument rooted in truth.
The idea that race-mixing "preserves" anything is self-contradictory. A mixed-race child is not White it is a new, separate genetic lineage. If enough White men and women breed outside their race they dilute and erase the White gene pool entirely. The only way for a race to survive is to reproduce within itself. Anything else is genocide by assimilation.
The passport bro secularism has not resulted in anything positive and has only upset the natural order of our world even further away from God's design. This diarrheal movement does not build strong families, stable communities, or multi-generational legacies. Instead it creates transactional marriages based on economic disparity rather than spiritual and racial unity, higher risk of failed marriages due to massive cultural and religious differences, and worst of all children who are not fully connected to either parent’s native culture, leading to identity crises.
Instead of running away to foreign lands, strong White Christian men should fight for policies that encourage family-building at home not abandon their own race. Even in the absence of these policies, the struggle does not end.
White Nationalism is one of the only rational responses to an undeniable, deliberate, and well-documented attack on White survival. Whose side are you on? The decline in White birth rates is not a natural consequence of modernity it is a result of deliberate policies meant to suppress White family growth while promoting mass immigration and the growth of their numbers via incentives all with an ongoing social and spiritual decay. The jewish elites literally track the declining percentage of Whites in Western nations and celebrate it.
Historical patterns show that when a racial group mixes beyond a critical threshold it ceases to exist as a distinct people. This is why preservationist movements exist to counter coerced demographic shifts.
If preservationist movements were so “bankrupt” why are they censored across every major social media platform? Banned from mainstream political discourse? Smeared endlessly as "racist" while every other racial group is allowed to advocate for itself? The truth is self-preservation is only considered “evil” when White people attempt it.
-Blacks have the NAACP.
-Hispanics have La Raza (“The Race”).
-The jews have the ADL and SPLC.
-Asians have their own ethno-nationalist policies, particularly in Japan, Korea, and China.
-Only Whites are told that caring about their own survival is “bankrupt” and “immoral.”
Your argument about White families not occurring because of some intrinsic flaw in White women is very wrong because White women’s devotion to family and racial integrity is not gone, it is being actively undermined by a system that prioritizes kosher agendas over the survival of individual races. The reality is that many races are under threat, but only European lineages are being systematically targeted for obliteration. When White families fight to preserve their children and culture they are labeled "extremist" or "reactionary," while other races who embrace cultural preservation are left to do so without interference.
White men and women do want families but they have been economically and culturally prevented from them through a combination of deliberate anti-natalist propaganda like careers over kids, self-hateful brainwashing that convinces White women to delay or forego childbearing because they are taught that they are evil, while non-Whites are encouraged to breed at higher rates, economic strangulation on White couples who, unlike migrants who rely on welfare, are forced into a two-income trap, making family formation far more difficult, and anti-White sentiment in media pushing the narrative that White couples and traditional families are “boring” or “problematic” while mixed-race families are glorified endlessly.
This is not an organic phenomenon. This is demographic warfare. You get to watch from the sidelines and condescend to your heart's content because you have no dog in this fight. Thank you, Samseau, for echoing the satanic Kalergi foreskin-munchers so openly by invalidating the survival of an entire race as bankrupt. In doing so you reveal your own allegiance better than any prolific dossier or exposé could.
Your argument here is defeatist propaganda designed to push White men into abandoning their own lineage rather than fighting for its future. It denies the natural instinct for self-preservation that is hardwired into every race. Preservation is not a mere “romantic” or “primitive” desire it’s a survival instinct. Your adoption of this viewpoint is a subtle form of self-hatred, enabling the destruction of one's own race.
If you knew anything about what European Nationalist's believe you would know that the minute a woman race mixes she is dead. There is no mercy for traitors. Telegony and microchimeric changes occur and she is no longer White, whatever children she has are stained. That is why there are wins and there are losses. Numerically one win can be worth more than ten or more losses and has been many times. White Nationalists do not simply idolize a superficial beauty standard they believe in preserving the integrity of their people and securing a future for their children.
The idea that White women’s best days are behind them is part of the gaslighting that fuels globalist agendas. The true state of White women, like any people, is cyclical, and their potential for family creation and survival has not been erased.
White women are far less likely to marry outside their race than White men. The statistics overwhelmingly support that White women tend to marry within their race more than any other racial group.
This shows that, far from being “spiritually destroyed,” White women still have a strong attachment to their racial identity which you conveniently ignore to peddle this defeatist narrative. The rest of the White population will exclude those of this demographic in the future, it is inevitable, even if the statistics were twice as bad.
A vast majority of non-Whites in the US want to mix, it's almost as if they hate themselves.
Mixed-race or non-Whites are more blue-pill in their sycophantic subversive propaganda to constantly belittle Whites that Whites are for sticking up for their own kind. Somehow this is the fault of Whites for being the target of every vector of jewish assault on the family nucleus going back to the 1700s and before? The chaff will fall away, but one family can and will breed more than enough replacements for the race traitor trash that refuse to do their Godly duty. You would rather blame White men and women for being victims of jewish propaganda, but it’s the jewish elites who are directing the ship to racial oblivion.
You see, there are victims of propaganda and there are those it does not effect. What you are also missing is that the number of birth rates for the non-Whites have skyrocketed because brown people have zero sexual hygiene and have been gifted White creations of the first world by the jewish occupiers in order to swell their numbers on purpose against Whites.
Not a passport bro or a jew in sight.
This goes for all women who imbibe on the teat of the feminist ideology and become careerist shrikes, which is beginning to infect greater numbers of non-White women in White countries as they get a taste of it. There are a ton of 30-40- something Asian women all around the world, single with no man or children. Degeneracy knows no bounds and cares not who it ensnares.
It would help the audience if you identified what your ancestry is. Given that some members have commented on you being Middle Eastern this only reveals where most of your opinions on race are coming from as well as your personal bias against Whites. You're better off announcing your convictions against Whites with the proper perspective in mind so it doesn't come across as generic anti-White disdain. If you have a genuine beef against Whites it comes from your own background just as much as it does from the obvious reality that many Whites in the west are toast from jewish vices, as are all races who fall under their sorcery.
Case in point you being of Middle Eastern or near-Eastern descent on the present-day US East Coast in your 30s employed in politics and involved in Republican social circles likely dealt with the snootiness and arrogance of all those blue-eyed blond-haired WASPs and other upper crust of society. I've dealt with it as a culturally European Catholic whilst I was in America, but I noticed something persistent. Whites may behave differently around other Whites of a different confession, but they will always behave way more differently around non-Whites even if they are of the same faith. The corollary of that is true for every race. Blacks will behave differently around Blacks of a different religion, but never as different as they do around non-Blacks even of the same faith. This is biological and cannot be overwritten.
Case in point again, White Nationalism, which is synonymous with American Nationalism, doesn't jive with you because of the way people recognize each other racially and you don't fit in, despite virtually all Nationalists being some confession of Christianity. You personally hate them because they want to have their own countries and their own space and raise their children without the input of non-Whites. We saw this in you with the way you drove the old RVF moderator @DanielH off the forum over the spat in the Patriot Front thread. He decided to focus on growing his White family as he was already a father of one and didn't have time for a non-White's poison vitriol towards his strategies for dealing with a world specifically hostile to his White family and children.
Your comments on race come from a place of deep resentment and conflict, a resentment of Whites that within certain non-White communities is deep-rooted and goes beyond just ideological disagreements. Many individuals like yourself who do not fit into the racially homogenous communities of Europe or White America struggle to understand why Whites want to preserve their culture and families. This isn’t about White supremacy but about racial preservation in the face of orchestrated jewish onslaught.
There are a lot more Orthodox Christians with families who are part of a Nationalist organization and promote that homogeneity within their nation than there are alleged Christians vilifying and spitting on them like you do. What you see in your American congregation is likely a hodgepodge of Eastern European families with non-White converts, hence why there appears to be more leniency theologically speaking. That is America, and that doesn't go down in the old countries the same way. Just go to Romania or Bulgaria, they do things a lot differently. Try to convince a Serbian man to race mix because there are allegedly dwindling Serbian women and see what he tells you. It will not be as nice as me breaking this down for you.
You are either tragically ignorant or deliberately anti-White. Your willful dismissal of this is indicative of someone who either doesn’t understand the global forces at play or who is actively complicit in promoting the breakdown of the family and the eradication of White genetics if given a pedagogical opportunity. Pessimism is the real enemy in the fight for racial and cultural survival. Your defeatism (for people that you don't belong to) is exactly what jews want to instill in us, to make us believe that our people are finished, that there’s no hope left. Ultimately, your rationale for race-mixing is hasbara approved and applauded, as are all "rationales" for said behavior because it aligns with the jewish endgame.
Going back to your original line of thought, choosing a wife is not about "supply and demand" it is about the eternal struggle to preserve what is ours and to ensure that our identity is not lost to the grinding forces of jewish globalism, multiculturalism, and miscegenation. I don't expect you to understand this as a non-White unless you are fully embraced in your own ancestry and advocate the same for your people, as all races should.
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Fantastic read - but I spat my bait all over at “Kalergi fore skin munchers”.
Crying.
Crying.
The impression I get from this is RSD convinced men you have to work at meeting girls. It just takes work and you'll get there. Many men have this fixed mindset that they are good enough as they are, and all they have to do is ask a woman out and they will be rewarded. It's like this comic by Stonetoss, where some childlike guy puts down a ticket at a Tinder box office and asks for 'one sex please'. That's how a lot of guys seem to think. They're entitled, like the Christian who puts down a ticket at a Church box office and asks for 'one salvation please'. Or the sales guy who meets a customer and 'please oh please can you buy, I read this book on how to close a sale and I think you should sign on the dotted line.' No, it takes work and effort, guys who don't do that, and aren't supremely beautiful, have no choice.
MusicForThePiano you are making so many straw man arguments and being autistic about things. All Samseau is trying to point out is there is a shortage of marriage worthy white women (as opposed to a shortage of white women overall).
So obviously the majority of white guys (i.e. the bottom 80% of white men) who are not at the top of the SMV pyramid and cannot get the decent quality white women either have 3 options:
Option 1 is do not get married.
Option 2 is destroy your life by marrying a garbage tier white woman (e.g. a fat 40 year old feminist whore, etc).
Option 3 is marry a reasonable quality non-white woman.
Most people care first and foremost about their situation and their family's situation before any grandiose notions of helping their country or race.
Can you see logically why a lot of white men would choose option 3? Not every white guy can become a chad and have his choice of top tier white women.
So obviously the majority of white guys (i.e. the bottom 80% of white men) who are not at the top of the SMV pyramid and cannot get the decent quality white women either have 3 options:
Option 1 is do not get married.
Option 2 is destroy your life by marrying a garbage tier white woman (e.g. a fat 40 year old feminist whore, etc).
Option 3 is marry a reasonable quality non-white woman.
Most people care first and foremost about their situation and their family's situation before any grandiose notions of helping their country or race.
Can you see logically why a lot of white men would choose option 3? Not every white guy can become a chad and have his choice of top tier white women.
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Interesting essay. I am PROUD of my European heritage and my direct ancestors; including the men and women who came from Western Europe and contributed to building an entire civilised and prosperous country -- literally from the ground up -- in less than 200 years.
I also support European homelands in Europe. However, the ship has sailed elsewhere in Canada, Australia, etc. So trying to hold out for a white renaissance in these places is unrealistic. Further, expecting heritage Euro men in these countries to only select women for marriage and children who are purely white (and presumably Christian and low body count and low BMI and have family values and are unvaxxed etc) is expecting A LOT. In such cases, having game and a super commitment to ongoing self development would not be recommended, it would be mandatory. And that certainly would not guarantee anything, at all.
Anyway, I am wondering why this topic of racial purity is of such personal interest, to the point of attempting to make a thread about game into a thread about race. May I ask - are you married to a woman of similar Western European heritage and have multiple children together?
If YES, why haven't you discussed anything about your own experience of courting, marriage, and/or raising a family here? (Forgive me if I am mistaken, as I haven't read and seen all your posts, so I may have missed this content).
If YES, and you want others to follow your lead and adopt your beliefs, it would be much more effective to show them how it's done with lived principles and specific strategies, rather than scolding and projecting hate onto them. Within your essay are some fair points to consider, no doubt, however many of these points are expressed with unnecessary aggression throughout. If you are seeking to influence others, insulting them is unlikely to help your cause.
With that in mind, I would encourage you to contribute where appropriate to the marriage and family threads: https://christisking.cc/forums/family-life.5/
If NO, then by what rationale do you expect readers to take your arguments seriously when you attack others for not achieving things that you also have not achieved?
If NO, then your positions are rather heavy on theory and light on practice. For some people, incongruence of the communicator means little if the espoused positions have inherent substance; for others, congruence is central to establishing integrity and credibility as a communicator.
I trust you understand that, when someone states these kind of opinions with immense fervour, it's expected that readers will be wondering, "is this all just a lovely ideal in the mind of the poster, or does it reflect something objective they obtained in reality?"
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These guys get it.
I explained earlier in this thread why the term "game" gets misused and misinterpreted. Often, it is equated to geeks pretending to be alpha and sleazy tricksters manipulating women into casual sex. Yet the related principles of game are far broader and can be used for much, much more. And this includes maintaining a healthy Christian-founded marriage. Detailed discussion here:
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P.S. A hot tip: Have plenty of fun and laugh a lot
Those entitled guys definitely exist. And I won't even deny that they made up the majority or RSD convinced men. But, as someone who lives in a city with quite a few expats and digital nomads, it's still interesting to see how many of those still struggle with women, despite obviously having an American or northern European salary that is at least 3-5x what local guys in are making, despite going to the gym, living by themselves (unlike the locals who have roommates or still live with their parents), despite generally having healthy lifestyles etc.
Yet somehow something is still missing. I see them settling for girls that are either older or really not attractive. I've even seen men in their mid to late 30s settle for the 45 year old single mom who isn't even good looking for her age. These men are simply clueless. Thus, they indeed need to work, especially on man to woman interaction. Unless it comes to you naturally or you were lucky enough to grow up in an environment where you were constantly socializing, it ends up being an actual skill that needs to be practiced or at least understood before it becomes more natural.
"Game" was still vile because to make it marketable, profitable and appealing it had to offer results in the form of sex. In addition, it also didn't teach men how to filter for women they actually consider desirable in the mid to long term. There was no information at all about useful qualities in a woman. The focus was exclusively on her looks and then using strategies to overcome anxiety and generate romantic and sexual interest.
But, again, if it had actually mainly contributed to producing more entitled, lazy men with no ambition because all they need is a couple of pick up lines, then governments wouldn't have banned some of these "pick up artists" from entering their countries.
Well expats are not a great reference point because foreigners will always struggle to find a serious relationship compared to locals with deep roots in the culture. And in places that are overwhelmed with annoying tourists like Barcelona, Prague, Croatia, etc., it only gets makes the foreigner image seem worse. Brits have a particularly bad reputation due to the stag parties and general poor behavior. I do however agree with your characterization that many men are naive and clueless on how to behave around women.
I feel the general principles of game are helpful for young men who haven't picked them up naturally. I was clueless when younger and some red pill deprogramming was essential. Don't simp, don't be needy, don't take everything women say seriously... Roosh had some great points like stand up straight and don't lean in too much. These things are good for appealing to Christian women seeking a husband too. In fact the Old Testament warns men in many places not to put women on a pedestal and to beware of their deceit. But all those specific lines and negs and all that is not good and puts men in their head.
Once you have the general principles down you can just behave naturally and the right words will come out. And I don't mean simply an intellectual understanding but gain the principles through a wholesome life. Optimize your spiritual, physical, mental, social, and financial health. Prayer cleanses the mind of negative thinking, working out builds discipline, reading edifying books builds wisdom, meeting different people helps with empathy, professional success builds confidence. You do all of these things and you'll naturally have better "game".
do not make assumptions about others (you know nothing about me)
"That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Who cares? Some of the best black hole theorists have never actually been in a black hole, and parents often turn to the books of the childless Maria Montessori for parenting advice. You admit MFTP's crushing "essay" was good but then nit-pic it to death. Samseau and MFTP have an ongoing beef. Samseau has repeatedly tried to belittle and berate MFTP as being a cut and paste dummy that has no idea what he's talking about (too many instances to quote) and so MFTP returns the favor in kind (and rightfully so). Personally, I'm all here for it because though aggressive, I don't see it as "negative" and unkind, quite the contrary. I actually think Samseau and MFTP would get along great in person and so I'm not sweating it, its just a keyboard beef.
Samseau is not white and works for Trump, enough said. He cannot be 100% rational on these two subjects and yet he accuses everyone else of being irrational on these subjects. Again, no problem with that as Samseau is a great man doing God's work, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You're out of your element and over the line. This is a complete clown world accusation. MFTP has got at bare minimum 20 IQ points on you and so you should be wary of critiquing his well crafted essays with barely legible text speak.
I don't agree with @MusicForThePiano on very many things but I will say that "race mixing" is indeed a direct cause of many of the issues facing western civilization. Although that being said "race mixing" is not the right term as race isn't necessarily what is relevant here, the issue is the preservation of culture, culture that fosters morals, traditions, community, pride and cohesiveness not to mention religion. But that isn't really what @MusicForThePiano is advocating, I admittedly scroll through all the walls of text in these threads but from what I understand the discussion is more fixated on color of skin which as someone who has an entire family tree 100% of a single culture I don't quite understand that and it almost comes off as a cope, you can have the same color skin or even have your ancestors reside on the same continent but still be a different race and culture. For example if a German marries a Spaniard then that apparently is not race mixing.....simply because their skin is white or they reside on the same continent I guess? But you're still diluting your culture regardless of what your kids skin color is.....first generation maybe not so much but the further you go down the line the more you dilute and that is what has happened to America, the plight of the white man isn't about skin color it's that they willingly stopped putting importance on preserving their culture many decades ago so they have no shared culture and no cohesiveness. They just started marrying whoever without giving any consideration to it, it's a new concept in history just because there is such a mix of people in the USA and that has always been true, even if that mix was people of the same color skin.
I knew a girl once who called herself Syrian, her father was half Syrian Catholic her mother some amount of Irish Catholic and whatever else all of them totally Americanized never once called herself "Irish"....to me she's not Syrian she's really not anything but oh well that's fine she's Syrian. Her father had never even spent any time in Syria he came to the USA when he was a baby. So she's half Syrian, doesn't speak any Arabic, never been to Syria probably couldn't even point out Syria on a map and she married some random mix of 10 different things white guy.....divorced of course. She had two kids with the guy and her kids now call themselves Syrian. Mind you her kids were the whitest kids I've ever seen knew nothing of Syrian culture and once I remember telling them "if you go to syria they'll decapitate you" as a joke and they looked at me like I had 3 heads. In their minds they were Syrian just because they liked pita bread and ate grape leaves, to them if they went to Syria tomorrow they'll be accepted with open arms, I didn't even know what to say to that it was so delusional. That's just how it is in the West, nobody preserved their culture and it's not just "white" people, it's not the only coping example I could give you of people claiming to be something when in reality it makes no sense.
I definitely think preserving culture is important for the reasons I mentioned above but this concept where culture is overlooked and what matters is the color of skin or the continent you reside from, that makes no sense.....I'm sorry it's a reaching cope. It just is what it is, you can't put the genie back in the bottle it's too late, no matter how much you change the parameters to suit the cope. It's going to happen to my culture too, not very long ago marrying outside the culture was incredibly taboo to the point where the person would be shamed out of the community....it's not like that anymore, it still doesn't happen a lot but now nobody bats an eye at it anymore other than to make some demeaning comment and then just not care, definitely wasn't like that before.
I think the best solution is to keep it within your faith, marry of your same religion and preserve that culture......that's the only way, and while you should definitely try to preserve your culture it's a nice thing to be able to say to your kids "you are X" without a bunch of disclaimers, at the very least don't go so far off the path that your kids come out as mulatto freaks.
That's all I got, don't want to let myself get sucked into this race garbage. I feel like I have a unique perspective because I belong to a culture where preserving it is very important but I'm not trying to get into all of this mess and start putting up walls of text, live and let live. But to me just because you resided on the same continent or have the same color skin it does not mean you're the same culture, you're still "race mixing" if you want to use that term.....so really the whole thing is a hypocritical cope with moved goalposts to compensate for things that are unrealistic. That and there is also the aspect that the definition of "white" seems to change with whatever the current argument is in that thread.
I knew a girl once who called herself Syrian, her father was half Syrian Catholic her mother some amount of Irish Catholic and whatever else all of them totally Americanized never once called herself "Irish"....to me she's not Syrian she's really not anything but oh well that's fine she's Syrian. Her father had never even spent any time in Syria he came to the USA when he was a baby. So she's half Syrian, doesn't speak any Arabic, never been to Syria probably couldn't even point out Syria on a map and she married some random mix of 10 different things white guy.....divorced of course. She had two kids with the guy and her kids now call themselves Syrian. Mind you her kids were the whitest kids I've ever seen knew nothing of Syrian culture and once I remember telling them "if you go to syria they'll decapitate you" as a joke and they looked at me like I had 3 heads. In their minds they were Syrian just because they liked pita bread and ate grape leaves, to them if they went to Syria tomorrow they'll be accepted with open arms, I didn't even know what to say to that it was so delusional. That's just how it is in the West, nobody preserved their culture and it's not just "white" people, it's not the only coping example I could give you of people claiming to be something when in reality it makes no sense.
I definitely think preserving culture is important for the reasons I mentioned above but this concept where culture is overlooked and what matters is the color of skin or the continent you reside from, that makes no sense.....I'm sorry it's a reaching cope. It just is what it is, you can't put the genie back in the bottle it's too late, no matter how much you change the parameters to suit the cope. It's going to happen to my culture too, not very long ago marrying outside the culture was incredibly taboo to the point where the person would be shamed out of the community....it's not like that anymore, it still doesn't happen a lot but now nobody bats an eye at it anymore other than to make some demeaning comment and then just not care, definitely wasn't like that before.
I think the best solution is to keep it within your faith, marry of your same religion and preserve that culture......that's the only way, and while you should definitely try to preserve your culture it's a nice thing to be able to say to your kids "you are X" without a bunch of disclaimers, at the very least don't go so far off the path that your kids come out as mulatto freaks.
That's all I got, don't want to let myself get sucked into this race garbage. I feel like I have a unique perspective because I belong to a culture where preserving it is very important but I'm not trying to get into all of this mess and start putting up walls of text, live and let live. But to me just because you resided on the same continent or have the same color skin it does not mean you're the same culture, you're still "race mixing" if you want to use that term.....so really the whole thing is a hypocritical cope with moved goalposts to compensate for things that are unrealistic. That and there is also the aspect that the definition of "white" seems to change with whatever the current argument is in that thread.
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Yes, that and having children that look like you. We all know that white men and their culture are under attack, and I find it weird to try and black pill white men by saying, "There are no white women to breed with so breed with non-white women." This on a forum that puts faith in God front and center. If one is a good enough God fearing white man over a long enough period of time I'm sure God will see fit to provide you with a unicorn. It's called a miracle. And you only need one.
Maybe read the whole discussion for proper context then. "Skin color" is baked into the larger discussion of preserving white culture, but it is no more fixated on than making money, marrying virgins under 25, and moving abroad before the supposed "collapse."
This is a very common sentiment among red pilled men who do not look 100% white. And most men of mixed race who look primarily white still identify more with the minority part of their look because this is how society views and labels them (obviously Samseau is an exception to this rule, and kudos to him for that). They still aren't white in the eyes of the world and this chafes many mixed race men. So close, yet so far. You must be white without question to pass for white which is why ideally I would not breed with a woman who would not give me children that are defined by their physical appearance (and hence by society) as white. This being said, I myself am not a purist on this subject. Love is love. If God dropped an under-30 perfect 10 hispanic breeder in my lap that 100% supported me in all my endeavors, decisions, and choices, who had a pleasant feminine/submissive personality, and was 100% loyal to me, then of course it would be all systems go. That's a no brainer, but this gentleman prefers blondes.