The Hot-Holy Matrix

Currently we have this unique combination of social decay, propaganda, and excess money to provide for women and daughters as if they are princesses. That obviously hurts them more because the natural inclination is to defer to or protect women, and they mature earlier in life. So in reality they are very easily stunted as they are basically spoiled if lots of money is around, and when they are more oblivious than ever (mid teens) they are also at their hottest. That continues to early 20s, basically creating all the problems we have in the modern day, especially since they are told it's ok to "find themselves" instead of being honest about life and their short window.

The boxes of his video weren't according to actual percentages, but again, let's take even 7 holiness and 7 looks. You know how rare that even is? There are so many men around, and so many men in the orthodox churches relative to women at this point, if a 7 even showed up in a church she'd be swarmed/swamped, which is basically the bigger picture issue. I'd say that 7 or 8 in looks or 7+ in holiness is essentially unicorn, but I still liked the video. I actually don't think you get 8s that are even OK with church unless you are in EE. The 8+ in America are absolutely not gonna be in churches, let's be honest, that in the USA is like a video game cheat mode or life on easy mode and women don't really break away from that, unless somehow she had a dad that chained her up for the first half of her life and then paid a bodyguard for people to barely talk to her for the next 10 years, lol
 
Blade Runner said:
What is it mostly in the modern age that makes this seem to be a "bad deal" for women?

Is it just that they peak so early and seemingly have all these choices, and aren't good at seeing the long game, or is it that they find family or married life "boring"? All of the above?
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I think they've got way too many options and want to try as many as they can, cause they fear that otherwise they might be settling down. A good example, I think, is what happened in the Faroe Islands - I don't know if You know, but there's a sizable population of Southeast Asian women living there. Why ? Because local girls, after they went to study in the mainland, decided never to come back, marry a fisherman/farmer and live the same lives their mothers did, so the local guys had no other choice but to seek foreign brides.
 
Blade Runner said:
What is it mostly in the modern age that makes this seem to be a "bad deal" for women?

Is it just that they peak so early and seemingly have all these choices, and aren't good at seeing the long game, or is it that they find family or married life "boring"? All of the above?
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Women have become too arrogant and treated like princesses from a young age. Add in the massive brainwashing by society and it makes many unsuitable as mates.
 
Honestly I took a red pill on “hot” unless your physically deformed or something horrible happened to you - like an injury - humans are capable of being “hot.” It’s just do you want to do the work? A mid woman with some make up and a wig can get you buying her bath water. So an average height mid guy with a gym membership, some social media doctoring… I wonder…

People should consider this for marriage though. A lot of looks is maxing and artificial and one day you’re going to get old with your spouse and that side of the relationship won’t be as exciting anymore.
 
KulturedKaveman said:
It’s just do you want to do the work?
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There's barely a majority of men that want to do the work. Women definitely don't want to. Even the ones that exercise to higher levels of physical fitness only do it for monetization purposes. Ehh, cycles.

But that's the reason why youth is so important for women, especially from a man's perspective.
 
I regret opening this thread. I love you guys, but there’s so much bitterness and resentment toward women in the courtship section of CIK that it really puts me off this forum.

It’s disheartening to see so many conversations hijacked into woman-bashing instead of offering real advice. Feels like we’ve done a full circle and landed right back in the women-hating manosphere/ROK days.
 
Bizet said:
I regret opening this thread. I love you guys, but there’s so much bitterness and resentment toward women in the courtship section of CIK that it really puts me off this forum.

It’s disheartening to see so many conversations hijacked into woman-bashing instead of offering real advice. Feels like we’ve done a full circle and landed right back in the women-hating manosphere/ROK days.
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Agreed.

Not sure this was what the priest was trying to get at before his video was taken down.

And while I generally like Fr Moses.... And think he does a lot of good work promoting masculinity among many of the younger parishioners and inquirers... and I appreciate his powerlifting whilst following the fast efforts... I thought this video was pretty stupid and tasteless and I think the Metropolitan made the right call in telling him to take it down.
 
Bizet said:
I regret opening this thread. I love you guys, but there’s so much bitterness and resentment toward women in the courtship section of CIK that it really puts me off this forum.

It’s disheartening to see so many conversations hijacked into woman-bashing instead of offering real advice. Feels like we’ve done a full circle and landed right back in the women-hating manosphere/ROK days.
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Really though? The guys here did not talk about women until reply #20 or so. Most of it was speaking about Fr. Moses, and whether or not they liked the video.

And while I generally like Fr Moses.... And think he does a lot of good work promoting masculinity among many of the younger parishioners and inquirers... and I appreciate his powerlifting whilst following the fast efforts... I thought this video was pretty stupid and tasteless and I think the Metropolitan made the right call in telling him to take it down.
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As for the vid itself, a shame it was taken down. Most likely it offended way too many women at his parish, especially since women find the rating system highly offensive. Women cannot handle the concept of relative attractiveness, nor can they be objective about their self-worth. Thus, to claim that women who are prettier demand more from their men implies ugly women aren't worth as much, which causes hysterical meltdowns.

Even though Fr. Moses said no lies, nor insulted any individuals, the nature of women precludes them from being honest. I think Fr. Moses was extremely brave (or naive) for posting it in the first place.

That's why we are anonymous on this forum, for example, since to speak the truth will result in massive meltdowns, mainly from females, both in and outside of our lives. But women are the stronger sex (lol)!

The fact that women are the way they are, is exactly why vids like the Hot-Holy Matrix are even relevant in the first place. The fact that we can't speak about women openly is exactly why birthrates are negative and marriages only apply to half of the population.

How on earth can civilization improve if nearly one-half of the population refuses to ever repent of their sins and shortcomings? Because that is essentially the situation we have today.

With men, you can speak to them forthrightly, and many will come to their senses. With today's women, all one can do is pray. In ancient times, things were reversed. Women were far more submissive and humble, and were far more eager to please. They would take criticism like men do today, even though it wasn't on a "rational" level, but they would react emotionally in a way to address the logical complaints they might receive.

Men in the past were far more difficult to converse with, and men had much bigger egos. They were far more prone to violence, and most were likely to physically attack you if you offended them in even the slightest of ways. Large numbers of Christ's earliest followers were women, such as the women who were there at the cross. Nowadays the only way to get your average Millennial woman into a Church is if there is an interesting rock concert there, and even then, odds are low.

None of this is "hating" on women. Quite the contrary. Telling the truth is an act of love. The people who hate women encourage their worst behavior, so they can indulge in easy sex, and the people who say nothing are no different than the Sadducee who walks by the Samaritan bleeding out on the side of the road. The ones who object to the wholesale destruction of women today are the ones who get hated on the most, and men must be willing to bear this cross if they want to see anything change in their lifetimes.

There are obviously polite and kind ways to tell the truth, which is the most loving way to help others, I'm sure you agree. The question is simply was Fr. Moses being unkind or impolite? I do not think so, as he did not mention anyone by name, nor did he claim that women are worthless if they are ugly - quite the contrary, he said average looking, yet pious, women, were the best marriage partners and called them the "Saint's choice." That is high praise!

I criticize men on this forum for being too obsessed with looks. I wrote the Boner Test and I still agree with it. If she is attractive enough to sleep with, then she's attractive enough to be your wife. Far more important for a wife is if she's a good human being - which would be a good Christian.
 
Samseau said:
Really though? The guys here did not talk about women until reply #20 or so. Most of it was speaking about Fr. Moses, and whether or not they liked the video.
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With all due respect, that's like saying, 'Sure, someone just took a dump in the pool, but before that, it was perfectly clean.'

Also, I could’ve posted that exact same response in almost any thread in the Courtship section, and it would've still been accurate: that's the problem.
 
Samseau said:
Really though? The guys here did not talk about women until reply #20 or so. Most of it was speaking about Fr. Moses, and whether or not they liked the video.
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Samseau, this is absolute fire. The post of the week, or perhaps the post of the year. The hits keep coming. Well done.
Samseau said:
As for the vid itself, a shame it was taken down. Most likely it offended way too many women at his parish, especially since women find the rating system highly offensive. Women cannot handle the concept of relative attractiveness, nor can they be objective about their self-worth. Thus, to claim that women who are prettier demand more from their men implies ugly women aren't worth as much, which causes hysterical meltdowns.
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Who can deny this? One of the issues is that there are - and I've made this point before - boatloads of men who are objectively better in so many ways than men of the past, but it matters not to women who are consensus thinkers and can make their own money now. I don't know why something as true as that is controversial. By the way, for all those reading this who like to put things in that I never said, I did not say that ALL men are better, or even most men are better than ever before. I just said there are tons that are, even if a minority. This is exactly what happens when the average woman gets remarkably worse overall, by the way. Guys who have to achieve and dodge the slings and arrows over 15-20 years of early adulthood aren't about to just say, "Oh sure, I'll take the old 30+ yo, the chubster or the one with few eggs left, just because." In their minds, they didn't work for all that time for no ROI.
Samseau said:
Even though Fr. Moses said no lies, nor insulted any individuals, the nature of women precludes them from being honest. I think Fr. Moses was extremely brave (or naive) for posting it in the first place.
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Bingo.
Samseau said:
That's why we are anonymous on this forum, for example, since to speak the truth will result in massive meltdowns, mainly from females, both in and outside of our lives. But women are the stronger sex (lol)!
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My point also all the time. If you aren't going to be honest online, where can you say anything true but disliked? The entire point of our posting here is precisely because clown world is so clowny, and men have lost so much authority, they apparently can't even talk about how they all (and we all do) desire young, thin women!
Samseau said:
The fact that women are the way they are, is exactly why vids like the Hot-Holy Matrix are even relevant in the first place. The fact that we can't speak about women openly is exactly why birthrates are negative and marriages only apply to half of the population.
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Yes, the same point I'm making, adding to the above. I've said elsewhere, you give women options and resources - don't be surprised when they all of a sudden could give two shits about kids. And no, "wanting kids" at age 35 or 38 doesn't count.
Samseau said:
None of this is "hating" on women. Quite the contrary. Telling the truth is an act of love. The people who hate women encourage their worst behavior, so they can indulge in easy sex, and the people who say nothing are no different than the Sadducee who walks by the Samaritan bleeding out on the side of the road. The ones who object to the wholesale destruction of women today are the ones who get hated on the most, and men must be willing to bear this cross if they want to see anything change in their lifetimes.
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More truth bombs. The desire to rid women of these bad ideas, and to promote them having kids and young marriages that result in something, is worse than "hurting their feelings"? No wonder the civilization is in decline. Think of it.
Samseau said:
he said average looking, yet pious, women, were the best marriage partners and called them the "Saint's choice." That is high praise!
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Well done, sir, well done. :coffee:
 
Bizet said:
With all due respect, that's like saying, 'Sure, someone just took a dump in the pool, but before that, it was perfectly clean.'

Also, I could’ve posted that exact same response in almost any thread in the Courtship section, and it would've still been accurate: that's the problem.
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Thread purity does not exist. Some posts will be good and some will be bad. Each are their own quality and do not determine the entire worth of the thread. If you disagree with something or someone, far better to call them out and contribute to the quality of the thread than otherwise.
 
@Bizet What are you best recommendations to men at any given age, then, currently? I'd honestly like to know. People can come out guns ablazin' on certain topics like this because they feel few people ever talk about it, hear them, or are the least bit sensible about what's really going on. You have to remember that. Also, remember, it's just text and internet, so as we've said it also has a context (open, honest dialogue that will always tend towards more brutally honest truth, due to the anon reality as we mentioned).

The sad reality is that if you lived 4 decades or longer, you'll find out that few people are really all that aware or thoughtful in their assessment of themselves, and others. If a majority of men in any given culture, especially a mixed or multicultural one, aren't very aware ... how on earth are we going to have high expectations for women knowing their instincts and predispositions? But we're told they are advanced in all these ways ...
 
First off, apologies if I came across as blunt in my previous posts: that wasn’t my intention. I have no ill will toward any of my CIK brothers in Christ, but I strongly disagree with labeling women as whores or spoiled.

I’d suggest letting go of any idealized image you’ve built up of what a woman should be: no one can live up to a fantasy. Instead, appreciate women for who they truly are.

Focus on improving yourself in all areas and carve out a niche that sets you apart from other men.

Also, cut out the negativity and stop holding resentment toward all women because of the actions of a few. Bitterness will only hold you back.

Your thought patterns become your reality. If you believe all women are evil, you will find evidence to support that. If you believe they are sweet, kind and loving, you're also find evidence to support that.

Find a woman who is mentally stable and has a healthy relationship with her father; when you do, commit fully and never look back (I need to take this advice onboard as much as anyone).
 
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Bizet said:
It’s disheartening to see so many conversations hijacked into woman-bashing instead of offering real advice. Feels like we’ve done a full circle and landed right back in the women-hating manosphere/ROK days.
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I don't remember RVF or ROK or most of the manosphere ever hating women....it was just being ultra realistic about what was going on in modern society and using that information to navigate the dating and marriage minefield that exists. The women hating argument is what the mass media accused us with which was always false.

The only people who seemed to hate women were portions of the MGTOW crowd, and even then, it was only a fraction of that group.
 
Bizet said:
First off, apologies if I came across as blunt in my previous posts: that wasn’t my intention. I have no ill will toward any of my CIK brothers in Christ, but I strongly disagree with labeling women as whores or spoiled.

I’d suggest letting go of any idealized image you’ve built up of what a woman should be: no one can live up to a fantasy. Instead, appreciate women for who they truly are.

Focus on improving yourself in all areas and carve out a niche that sets you apart from other men.

Also, cut out the negativity and stop holding resentment toward all women because of the actions of a few. Bitterness will only hold you back.

Your thought patterns become your reality. If you believe all women are evil, you will find evidence to support that. If you believe they are sweet, kind and loving, you're also find evidence to support that.

Find a woman who is mentally stable and has a healthy relationship with her father; when you do, commit fully and never look back (I need to take this advice onboard as much as anyone).
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I don't really see men here with "bitterness." A better description is that they are romantics who cry, but that does not mean they a bitter towards women they encounter. If anything, they jump for joy and are ready to roll out the red carpet for a kind and loving woman.

But the reality is, and it seems you may be too young to understand, that you can treat a woman like a princess and it makes no difference towards her feelings for you. You can ring a virgin and she can just catch the modernity virus and dump you with absolutely no reason. The odds are good it will happen to you someday (75% chance), and when it does you'll have a better understanding of where the men on this forum are coming from.

As for practical advice, one must be able to constantly bring in a stream of new women, which is a sinful lifestyle (although easily forgivable), to combat the fact that sifting through the 75% is a painstaking process filled with trial and error, or simply go Monk mode. The 1/4 of men who are blessed with a good wife should thank God for their happy marriage and refrain from judging the other men stuck out in the wilds.
 
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