Whore addiction

[Samseau]

Calling BS on this entire thread is a very reasonable take. This is a slow pitch right down the center of the plate, ripe for all to contribute. Amazingly, by the newest member. One could not ask for better.

I'm sure the responses are sincere, which is not surprising given that the thought experiment is a more or less black and white moral issue, especially for a protestant Catholic.

Last post in this thread.


Of course not, nobody stated that. I myself have defended troll threads that turn into gold. What was being questioned was not well-known members authentic responses to a possible troll thread, but the OP newbie coming in hot with a controversial single issue topic thread, instead of posting in an already existing relevant thread. That and the username is a bit suspect. We've seen this pattern before. But time will tell.


And so your take is respected and noted.

I understand the suspicions, but you fellas do not realize that I made this thread. Like Recovery stated, he posted his message in the "Destruction of Modern Women" thread, and it was off-topic, so I created this thread. And yes, it was pitch perfect, because I've done this many times.

We shouldn't be surprised that a thread on overcoming whoring gets created on this forum - after all, men have been battling whores since the time of Abraham. I think it was only a matter of time before this thread was created.

 

[SkiPro]

Not only that, but there's also not a lot of difference between a "whore" and "typical girl you ask out on a date."

If your "girlfriend" has had a dozen previous sex partners, are you dating a whore or not?
In that sense, "girlfriend" only means a definition of exclusivity over a narrowly defined time period.

How narrowly defined must it be before it is meaningless?

'she's not' yours', it's just your turn'.
Or until you get boring and/or valueless.

and I'm not black pilling here, I'm just saying how it is for the majority of men who actually have enough about the to get with a woman (which is becoming an increasingly smaller number).

 

[Recovering]

I’ll tell you guys something amazing. I haven’t fallen and this specific woman is blocked, but man have more temptations appeared ‘out of the blue’ (hell?)

I got a text from an old fling I haven’t spoken to in forever, asking to meet because she was lonely. I texted her back that I was not interested.

If this doesn’t convince people that good and evil forces beyond our comprehension exist I don’t know what does. Every night has been a random sexual dream as well. Once you begin to escape, it’s as if the fear of loss sets strange events in motion. Well it didn’t work, still strong brothers.

 

[magoo]

I’ll tell you guys something amazing. I haven’t fallen and this specific woman is blocked, but man have more temptations appeared ‘out of the blue’ (hell?)

I got a text from an old fling I haven’t spoken to in forever, asking to meet because she was lonely. I texted her back that I was not interested.

If this doesn’t convince people that good and evil forces beyond our comprehension exist I don’t know what does. Every night has been a random sexual dream as well. Once you begin to escape, it’s as if the fear of loss sets strange events in motion. Well it didn’t work, still strong brothers.

What about efforts on meeting normal conservative girls?

 

[analyst_green]

I’ll tell you guys something amazing. I haven’t fallen and this specific woman is blocked, but man have more temptations appeared ‘out of the blue’ (hell?)

I got a text from an old fling I haven’t spoken to in forever, asking to meet because she was lonely. I texted her back that I was not interested.

If this doesn’t convince people that good and evil forces beyond our comprehension exist I don’t know what does. Every night has been a random sexual dream as well. Once you begin to escape, it’s as if the fear of loss sets strange events in motion. Well it didn’t work, still strong brothers.

I've had similar experiences. It's not just coincidence. The demons hate when you turn away from sin and will use anyone or anything they can against you.

 

[Recovering]

What about efforts on meeting normal conservative girls?

I haven’t tried. The last time I saw the stripper was exactly two weeks ago, so I don’t know if it’s a good idea to begin Christian dating. The other confounding factor is I don’t know here to find them. My church is mostly older people, my priest said he knows of some women who take their faith seriously, but he also has seen me in confession every few weeks confessing my sexual sins. I am very open with him. Would he trust me at this point? Probably not, but he knows I am trying.

There is another thing, like a poster above maybe God’s will is singledom for me and showing other men my mistakes so they avoid them. I don’t know. I want a good wife and family, but it is up to God now. I am just focusing on my salvation now and not falling back into sexual temptation. My old fling (not the stripper who I blocked) messaged me back saying that I’d been so great to her I’ll find someone amazing. I don’t think she is being objective, but I appreciate her words. I still won’t be seeing her though.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I haven’t tried. The last time I saw the stripper was exactly two weeks ago, so I don’t know if it’s a good idea to begin Christian dating. The other confounding factor is I don’t know here to find them. My church is mostly older people, my priest said he knows of some women who take their faith seriously, but he also has seen me in confession every few weeks confessing my sexual sins. I am very open with him. Would he trust me at this point? Probably not, but he knows I am trying.

There is another thing, like a poster above maybe God’s will is singledom for me and showing other men my mistakes so they avoid them. I don’t know. I want a good wife and family, but it is up to God now. I am just focusing on my salvation now and not falling back into sexual temptation. My old fling (not the stripper who I blocked) messaged me back saying that I’d been so great to her I’ll find someone amazing. I don’t think she is being objective, but I appreciate her words. I still won’t be seeing her though.

You need to not date anyone for a while and get a healthy relationship with yourself before you try and slake your lusts.

Keep it up.

 

[Samseau]

My old fling (not the stripper who I blocked) messaged me back saying that I’d been so great to her I’ll find someone amazing. I don’t think she is being objective, but I appreciate her words. I still won’t be seeing her though.

The easy way to see if your old fling has changed or not is to ask her to attend Mass with you. Even if nothing comes from seeing her, bringing her to Mass may save her soul.

I've brought many women to Church with me, without fail it separates the bad women from the good.

 

[Samseau]

Not only that, but there's also not a lot of difference between a "whore" and "typical girl you ask out on a date."

If your "girlfriend" has had a dozen previous sex partners, are you dating a whore or not?
In that sense, "girlfriend" only means a definition of exclusivity over a narrowly defined time period.

How narrowly defined must it be before it is meaningless?

A loose woman with 12 prior partners is still nothing compared to a whore who has had hundreds or thousands of men.

Some of you fellas seem to have no idea what a woman who accepts cash for sex is actually like.

 

[Recovering]

The easy way to see if your old fling has changed or not is to ask her to attend Mass with you. Even if nothing comes from seeing her, bringing her to Mass may save her soul.

I've brought many women to Church with me, without fail it separates the bad women from the good.

Thank you for this suggestion, it seems like a good idea. My only concern is separating the women who would do this to simply placate you (without really being into the faith) I could keep asking them to come. I find women can be chameleons for an agenda, or just people. It takes a while to really get to know someone.

 

[analyst_green]

A loose woman with 12 prior partners is still nothing compared to a whore who has had hundreds or thousands of men.

Some of you fellas seem to have no idea what a woman who accepts cash for sex is actually like.

Yes and apart from the promiscuity, just the fact that she does it for a living is very off-putting.

There are amateur Russian and Ukrainian porn and cam girls who have only ever been with one man and they produce that garbage together. Yet you still definitely don't want an exhibitionistic woman like that. Although whether that's worse than the girl who's been with 12 guys for pleasure alone is debatable.

 

[Samseau]

Thank you for this suggestion, it seems like a good idea. My only concern is separating the women who would do this to simply placate you (without really being into the faith) I could keep asking them to come. I find women can be chameleons for an agenda, or just people. It takes a while to really get to know someone.

You're overthinking it. Let God take care of it.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

You're overthinking it. Let God take care of it.

Agreed.

@Recovering the way you communicate in assuming that women have an agenda shows you're not in a space where you need to be worrying about them or engaging in them.

You are still wounded by your's and other's actions.

 

[Recovering]

Agreed.

@Recovering the way you communicate in assuming that women have an agenda shows you're not in a space where you need to be worrying about them or engaging in them.

You are still wounded by your's and other's actions.

Thank you, both of you are correct. I texted the former fling and told her that I’m focusing on God, that I will pray for her and that blessings come her away, she didn’t respond. I won’t be reaching out to her again. I need to focus on myself and my soul. I have a good plan for today, hard workout and confession. I will update my priest on my progress.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Thank you, both of you are correct. I texted the former fling and told her that I’m focusing on God, that I will pray for her and that blessings come her away, she didn’t respond. I won’t be reaching out to her again. I need to focus on myself and my soul. I have a good plan for today, hard workout and confession. I will update my priest on my progress.

That's the right path. You may make mistakes and falter....but keep on the path and remember that you deserve to treat yourself like you love yourself. That means doing things that allow you to keep your dignity.

We've all made mistakes....but you clearly have a conscience and this is a good thing.
Keep it up.

 

[Recovering]

Well I messed up big time. I don’t think I’m made out for this sort of celibacy. I’m going to have to embarrassingly explain this to my priest and the group here. After telling my priest at confession and you guys that I blocked the dancer and the fling (which I did), he asked me how I felt and recommended some prayers. I was good for a while, then after a bit I got bored and unblocked the stripper. You can guess what happened. The temptation of having a woman who is so agreeable is strong. She even bought me a gift for my birthday and asked what I wanted to do, wanted to plan a party. So honestly I don’t know what sort of weird limbo ‘relationship’ I’m in. Yes it’s sinful, but this is not black and white.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Well I messed up big time. I don’t think I’m made out for this sort of celibacy. I’m going to have to embarrassingly explain this to my priest and the group here. After telling my priest at confession and you guys that I blocked the dancer and the fling (which I did), he asked me how I felt and recommended some prayers. I was good for a while, then after a bit I got bored and unblocked the stripper. You can guess what happened. The temptation of having a woman who is so agreeable is strong. She even bought me a gift for my birthday and asked what I wanted to do, wanted to plan a party. So honestly I don’t know what sort of weird limbo ‘relationship’ I’m in. Yes it’s sinful, but this is not black and white.

Fucking Stop!

Either have some firm commitments or stop complaining to us about your addiction to whores.

You're going to keep suffering and making bad choices until you grow up dude.

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be a dick...but there's no point in sugar coating it. You need to be firm or stop complaining all together.

 

[JCSteel]

@Recovering , Maybe it isn't black and white. I'm not on the same spiritual level as many of the men on this forum are, so please take whatever I say with a grain of salt. God is showing you what's in your heart and where you are at spiritually, by allowing this relationship to continue. I don't know whether it will keep you from God's kingdom or not. I'm not familar with everything you posted in this thread regarding this situation and your addictions. I'd pray and continue to talk to your priest. @Get2choppaaa is right. You gotta do what's necessary or stop asking for help. Your soul is what matters most.

In my struggles against my vices I've learned that if I can stay busy and work until about 2-3 hours before I go to sleep I can spare myself many temptations. I don't have a wife, gf, kids, so unless I'm of a mind to read or work out I need to be working. Idleness is the mother of all vices.

 

[Samseau]

Well I messed up big time. I don’t think I’m made out for this sort of celibacy. I’m going to have to embarrassingly explain this to my priest and the group here. After telling my priest at confession and you guys that I blocked the dancer and the fling (which I did), he asked me how I felt and recommended some prayers. I was good for a while, then after a bit I got bored and unblocked the stripper. You can guess what happened. The temptation of having a woman who is so agreeable is strong. She even bought me a gift for my birthday and asked what I wanted to do, wanted to plan a party. So honestly I don’t know what sort of weird limbo ‘relationship’ I’m in. Yes it’s sinful, but this is not black and white.

You would have been better off with the fling, it sounds like.

Have you tried inviting this whore to Church? God can indeed save the worst of sinners. If she's willing to go to Church, and leave her old whoring ways behind, then it may be possible to salvage a relationship from her.

In practice, however, she will most likely wither under the gaze of God like fungus under the sunlight, and it will scare her away from you. At the end of the day, you need to lean on God: either God will heal her, and you, and you'll have a proper relationship and eventual marriage; or God will see to it she runs away from you.

Don't just "hang out with her." Force her to choose; you are going with God, is she coming?

 

[Samseau]

Fucking Stop!

Either have some firm commitments or stop complaining to us about your addiction to whores.

You're going to keep suffering and making bad choices until you grow up dude.

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be a dick...but there's no point in sugar coating it. You need to be firm or stop complaining all together.

This is not helpful, indeed you are doing the work of Satan without realizing it. Judging those who confess their sins accomplishes nothing and only pushes people back into the arms of the Satan.

A confession is a sacrament and is not to be judged. Christ did not come into the world to judge sinners, but to call them to repentance so that they may be saved.

If you want to help people overcome their sins then you must learn patience and forgiveness.

Matt 18

21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.