MusicForThePiano you are making so many straw man arguments and being autistic about things. All Samseau is trying to point out is there is a shortage of marriage worthy white women (as opposed to a shortage of white women overall).
So obviously the majority of white guys (i.e. the bottom 80% of white men) who are not at the top of the SMV pyramid and cannot get the decent quality white women either have 3 options:
Option 1 is do not get married.
Option 2 is destroy your life by marrying a garbage tier white woman (e.g. a fat 40 year old feminist whore, etc).
Option 3 is marry a reasonable quality non-white woman.
Most people care first and foremost about their situation and their family's situation before any grandiose notions of helping their country or race.
Can you see logically why a lot of white men would choose option 3? Not every white guy can become a chad and have his choice of top tier white women.
Not every man will marry, but some will have to if civilization is to survive. The numbers do indicate extremely poor odds for the modern man, but not every man has to marry. Too many people of all races are alive today who shouldn't be, and their existence is absolutely miserable due to the selfishness of their parents (who most likely would never have existed either) had nature not been interrupted by too many "advancements" curbing infant mortality. In hindsight, out of the miasma of human agony in collective history, one of the greatest tragedies was the fostering of the creation of many new lives who only lived to suffer, which is what most of the world now is experiencing and will experience in far greater hell the longer the world is in the hands of the jews.
Societies, specifically European Christendom, is built by a combination of spearpoints and fathers. Many great men in history have never had children but have paved the way for
their people to multiply and be fruitful. There needs to be a synergy of the two, fathers with plenty of children and the souls of leaders who yearn for the collective betterment of their folk and it's posterity.
I advocate for Genesis more than anything. Surely you can understand this even as an Agnostic.
Those who do not marry should dedicate their live to fulfilling God's laws by fostering the environment that allows large families to grow and prosper in union with the land. There are multiple options as well beyond pursing the flesh that can still serve the greater good of one's people.
Interesting essay. I am PROUD of my European heritage and my direct ancestors; including the men and women who came from Western Europe and contributed to building an entire civilised and prosperous country -- literally from the ground up -- in less than 200 years.
I also support European homelands in Europe. However, the ship has sailed elsewhere in Canada, Australia, etc. So trying to hold out for a white renaissance in these places is unrealistic. Further, expecting heritage Euro men in these countries to only select women for marriage and children who are purely white (
and presumably Christian
and low body count
and low BMI
and have family values
and are unvaxxed etc) is expecting A LOT. In such cases, having game and a super commitment to ongoing self development would not be recommended, it would be mandatory. And that certainly would not guarantee anything, at all.
Anyway, I am wondering why this topic of racial purity is of such personal interest, to the point of attempting to make a thread about game into a thread about race.
May I ask - are you married to a woman of similar Western European heritage and have multiple children together?
If YES, why haven't you discussed anything about your own experience of courting, marriage, and/or raising a family here? (Forgive me if I am mistaken, as I haven't read and seen all your posts, so I may have missed this content).
If YES, and you want others to follow your lead and adopt your beliefs, it would be much more effective to
show them how it's done with lived principles and specific strategies, rather than scolding and projecting hate onto them. Within your essay are some fair points to consider, no doubt, however many of these points are expressed with unnecessary aggression throughout. If you are seeking to influence others, insulting them is unlikely to help your cause.
With that in mind, I would encourage you to contribute where appropriate to the marriage and family threads:
https://christisking.cc/forums/family-life.5/
If NO, then by what rationale do you expect readers to take your arguments seriously when you attack others for not achieving things that you also have not achieved?
If NO, then your positions are rather heavy on theory and light on practice. For some people, incongruence of the communicator means little if the espoused positions have inherent substance; for others, congruence is central to establishing integrity and credibility as a communicator.
I trust you understand that, when someone states these kind of opinions with immense fervour, it's expected that readers will be wondering, "is this all just a lovely ideal in the mind of the poster, or does it reflect something objective they obtained in reality?"
It's been awhile since the days of RVF pre-conversion. I don't make much stipulations about these subjects on a personal level. It's part of the charm of these forums. I don't have to be personal with any of you, but we can push each other intellectually across multiple boundaries to avoid the conflagrations which arise when people are discussing said subjects in person. There is no point in an echo chamber, but there is a point in a conflict-driven arrival at truth. There will always be bickering. As for your moderator friend, you cannot expect any righteous man to ignore the clear provocations against his entire people in his writings, followed by the cowardly retreat when pressed to clarify himself.
The vaxed issue with women is going to be the death knell for most races. The Whites are least of all concerned here as most of the entire third-world was forced into receiving ungodly amounts of graphene oxide injections. The Whites who did will be maimed for life, if they're fortunate. We're going to see a continual schism where one side is galvanized the other is degenerated even further, and this is true for Whites. The chaff will blow away from the ship, even if the ship emerges from the storm much smaller. The 2020 psyop is just another of many in this arena. They've been effectively doing this since the establishment of the AMA. I understand the frustration with compounded psyops which further undermine finding a suitable wife for each man. Feminism, atheism, judaism, miscegenation, now genetic manipulation and transhumanist DNA engineering, oy vey indeed.
If you must know, my way doesn't work for everyone. Without getting into details I am very blunt with women. I've never had an issue with them that I couldn't walk away from, and learned in my early teens how to get past their puny minds when they start hamstering around me. For most of the entirety of the "game" days in the early 2000s up until Roosh started ROK in 2012 I was in long-term and otherwise healthy relationships. Even on the old forum (1st iteration) I didn't participate in the pick-up threads because I didn't need to. I had a very large family with lots of cousins with single friends and "access" so to say if I were to indulge the unbridled lustful side of man.
With my Catholic upbringing I always despised the degeneracy, especially because I saw other self-professed Catholics and Christians (Protestants, Orthodox, non-denom) destroy themselves in whoredom, but I found the PUA community engaging in the least with other areas of discussion, like the legal aspects of feminism, the subversives, and the psychology of broken people (which we all know is jewish now). The conspiratorial angle was allowed in more open discourse once Roosh started to get publicly attacked after 2015. There were also men there who were married which showed that it wasn't just a place for slut-makers.
I don't see it necessary to comment on personal or individual marital affairs now other than pointing out who married a secret jew and is connected to the hydra via marriage, or what man is a pushover (like Alec Baldwin or any other celebrity on a humiliation ritual contract). I do comment on JD Vance because he is an embarrassment to Christians. It is horrible optics to have a jeet hindu Shiva-worshiping wife who did not convert. In the upper crust of society, who a man marries is often considered more important than who a woman marries. That's why guys like Jeb Bush were the butt of every joke at UT Austin, it's like he stayed at a motel 6 and proposed to the cleaning lady and off they sailed into the sunset with the Do Not Disturb sign still on the back of his dad's car. The "game" has essentially evolved from guys trying to pick up girls to guys avoiding every jewish psyop under the sun, which inculcates a return back to living Godly for all of us, and thus a further examination of what God's laws are in the ancient scriptures and how the natural world obeys these sublime subroutines on autopilot which humans are oft to disregard.
I have plenty of little cousins as well as nieces and nephews where mathematically if I didn't have children the European race would be in no more danger of being more extinct provided I continue waking up my people and fighting the jews. There are permutations to the civilization-required numbers that one man providing the conditions for another man to have more children is ultimately more effective than every man marrying to have one to two children. That's part of the collective consciousness that outsiders do not understand. Everyone has to do their part. I of course want a large family, but some of us must take the risk to knock down the beehive and deal with the swarm so that other's can carry on. Some men can do both. Mussolini has many descendants, I've met a few of them. Degrelle did too, though his family is much more private. Pavelic still has descendants in Spain and Croatia. Even Hitler apparently has French great-grandchildren living today.
Historical examples aside, an overwhelming majority of the European advocates for the European people are still having more than 2-3 children per family, and the number of these people who have more children is growing whilst the effete liberal snobs who've swallowed their propaganda pills like good goys do not breed. The nationalist leaders of today's nationalist groups are all fathers except for Thomas Rousseau in the USA (that I know of, he could be it's just not made public). So they are putting their money where their mouth is. They bring life into this world, and they want this world to be better for their progeny. Ultimately this is both a genetic and spiritual war that has been ongoing since Genesis, and will continue until Kingdom Come.
I also have many friends with multiple children, all European, all White. Despite the one-sided centennial warfare of the jews against the Aryans, the White race is still producing and more of us are returning to the Agrarian lifestyle. There may be a point in the future where all the Whites will be in the countryside, and there are no people with White genes in the dilapidated concrete jungles bar the mischlinge nightmares of Madison Grant and HP Lovecraft. Look at all the races who are nomadic and enduring, the Mongolians keep to themselves nowadays even though their DNA is in millions of people in Asia and the Indian subcontinent. The Afghanis have lived the same way since the time when Sikander (Alexander the Great) traipsed through their land. The jew underestimates the naturalist soul of the European Aryan. We will survive with or without the first world they swindled from us. Their gains will ultimately turn to dust in their sweaty shekel-grubbing palms as we see their own golems doing when there's no White man to steal from.
I don't agree with
@MusicForThePiano on very many things but I will say that "race mixing" is indeed a direct cause of many of the issues facing western civilization. Although that being said "race mixing" is not the right term as race isn't necessarily what is relevant here, the issue is the preservation of culture, culture that fosters morals, traditions, community, pride and cohesiveness not to mention religion. But that isn't really what
@MusicForThePiano is advocating, I admittedly scroll through all the walls of text in these threads but from what I understand the discussion is more fixated on color of skin which as someone who has an entire family tree 100% of a single culture I don't quite understand that and it almost comes off as a cope, you can have the same color skin or even have your ancestors reside on the same continent but still be a different race and culture. For example if a German marries a Spaniard then that apparently is not race mixing.....simply because their skin is white or they reside on the same continent I guess? But you're still diluting your culture regardless of what your kids skin color is.....first generation maybe not so much but the further you go down the line the more you dilute and that is what has happened to America, the plight of the white man isn't about skin color it's that they willingly stopped putting importance on preserving their culture many decades ago so they have no shared culture and no cohesiveness. They just started marrying whoever without giving any consideration to it, it's a new concept in history just because there is such a mix of people in the USA and that has always been true, even if that mix was people of the same color skin.
I knew a girl once who called herself Syrian, her father was half Syrian Catholic her mother some amount of Irish Catholic and whatever else all of them totally Americanized never once called herself "Irish"....to me she's not Syrian she's really not anything but oh well that's fine she's Syrian. Her father had never even spent any time in Syria he came to the USA when he was a baby. So she's half Syrian, doesn't speak any Arabic, never been to Syria probably couldn't even point out Syria on a map and she married some random mix of 10 different things white guy.....divorced of course. She had two kids with the guy and her kids now call themselves Syrian. Mind you her kids were the whitest kids I've ever seen knew nothing of Syrian culture and once I remember telling them "if you go to syria they'll decapitate you" as a joke and they looked at me like I had 3 heads. In their minds they were Syrian just because they liked pita bread and ate grape leaves, to them if they went to Syria tomorrow they'll be accepted with open arms, I didn't even know what to say to that it was so delusional. That's just how it is in the West, nobody preserved their culture and it's not just "white" people, it's not the only coping example I could give you of people claiming to be something when in reality it makes no sense.
I definitely think preserving culture is important for the reasons I mentioned above but this concept where culture is overlooked and what matters is the color of skin or the continent you reside from, that makes no sense.....I'm sorry it's a reaching cope. It just is what it is, you can't put the genie back in the bottle it's too late, no matter how much you change the parameters to suit the cope. It's going to happen to my culture too, not very long ago marrying outside the culture was incredibly taboo to the point where the person would be shamed out of the community....it's not like that anymore, it still doesn't happen a lot but now nobody bats an eye at it anymore other than to make some demeaning comment and then just not care, definitely wasn't like that before.
I think the best solution is to keep it within your faith, marry of your same religion and preserve that culture......that's the only way, and while you should definitely try to preserve your culture it's a nice thing to be able to say to your kids "you are X" without a bunch of disclaimers, at the very least don't go so far off the path that your kids come out as mulatto freaks.
That's all I got, don't want to let myself get sucked into this race garbage. I feel like I have a unique perspective because I belong to a culture where preserving it is very important but I'm not trying to get into all of this mess and start putting up walls of text, live and let live. But to me just because you resided on the same continent or have the same color skin it does not mean you're the same culture, you're still "race mixing" if you want to use that term.....so really the whole thing is a hypocritical cope with moved goalposts to compensate for things that are unrealistic. That and there is also the aspect that the definition of "white" seems to change with whatever the current argument is in that thread.
I understand you much more clearly now where you are coming from. Thank you for sharing your history. The example you gave of the mixed White man with the mixed Syrian girl sounds like there may have been some jewish or African in the guy. Unless he was a deadbeat on drugs, most Whites from a healthy background don't behave that way, but in the lower throngs of society you will find these types. Also, if both of them are mixed, that's a whole lot of confusion, the girl is clearly fine with her and her kids choosing one of her parents ancestry over the other, as many mixed types often do (mulattoes always choose the Black side over the White, except for the rare cases of profound intelligence like Lawrence Dennis). That is one way biracial people deal with any confusion, they simply pick one side over the other.
I know a good deal of Assyrians, and a few Chaldeans. If you do read my posts you will see that I very rarely talk about pigmentation, with the exception of someone who is clearly an African, an Asiatic, an Indigenous or an Aborigine (jeets fall under here). It's a very homogeneous and monolithic ethnicity, even without a current country to call their own. The Chaldeans were originally a Semitic people distinct from later Arabs and their genetic profile is closer to Assyrians, Babylonians, and Arameans, not to Arab Bedouins. The jews could learn from your kind how to maintain an identity, be productive in society all without being a parasite. Your confusion on racial details is not a nonstandard thing, it is so easy to be confused when immersed in the miasma of racial politics that the jew fosters on everyone else except for themselves. The whole point is to keep us in confusion.
A few things you should know is that the "Whitening" effect of US social policies has caused the MENA peoples to be declared "White" by the judeo-masonic establishment. I know because I briefly worked for the US Census Bureau as a street-walking census taker in multiple cities when I was a teenager. I had queried families and they were utterly confused why there was no ethnic breakdown for Middle Easterners, some detested that they were classified as "White" based on the country they came from, whilst others reveled in it. I even met lighter Blacks who wanted me to mark "White" on their boxes, as if it was a chance to detach from the hood permanently.
This census classification goes back even before 9/11. The reason was because in the 1980s and 1990s a lot more Middle Eastern immigrants arrived in America, mostly Iraqis and Persians (Iran-Iraq war fomented by jews and arms sold to both sides by jews go figure), but also various Arabs from other countries in the Levant. Like all new populations in America, crime statistics shot up with them (mostly the Arabs who fell under this classification). Rather than force a new Arab category, it was convenient for the fomenting anti-White narrative to bolster it's claims of theft, rape, murder, and domestic terrorism being caused by "Whites" when none of these culprits were European.
Genetically your family tree is likely uncompromised if they've kept their faith and intermarrying did not occur. You can find out by taking an autosomal DNA test for Y-DNA haplogroups. Try to see if you can do it at a university instead of one of the jew-run companies that likes to randomly put 2% African in everyone's DNA to screw with them for shits and giggles. Where you come from is much more diluted than where I come from, but kudos to the Assyrians and Chaldeans who did maintain their integrity against the onslaught of Arabs throughout the centuries. Here is what you should look for if you did have significant Arab ancestry:
-J1-P58 (J1a2b) – Strongly associated with the spread of Arabic-speaking tribes particularly linked to the Islamic expansions. This is commonly found in Arabian Peninsula populations and Bedouins.
-E1b1b (E-M81, E-M78) – While more common in North Africa some Arabized populations carry this haplogroup.
If you were Arab you would likely show a high percentage of ancestry linked to the Arabian Peninsula in population databases (such as Yemenite, Bedouin, or Gulf Arab samples).
If you do not have Arab ancestry, you would see these:
-J2-M172 – Associated with ancient Mesopotamian civilizations including Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This marker is far more frequent in non-Arab Middle Eastern populations.
-R1b-M269 (Z2103 variant) – Found in some Mesopotamian populations potentially linked to Indo-European influences in the region.
-T-M184 – Found at low frequencies in Mesopotamian and Levantine populations sometimes linked to early farmers.
A Chaldean would cluster with Assyrians, Syriacs, and other ancient Mesopotamian-descended groups rather than with Bedouins or Gulf Arabs. Your people are a distinct Caucasoid ethnicity, but not European, and not the primary White target of today. If tested on an admixture calculator you would likely show strong Near Eastern or West Asian components aligning more with Levantine and Mesopotamian peoples rather than with Arabian Peninsula populations. So your elders are not wrong that you should marry within your people if you are to do so. You have a culture and you have every right to be proud of your people who serve God honorably. The same can be said for any other race that follows God's laws and does the same for their own people. So you definitely do not want to go to the Philippines and marry a Pinay
just because she's Catholic, nor a Dominican
just because she's Catholic, or a Nigerian
just because she's Catholic. Synthesis of race and faith is what makes the best marriage. If a man cannot find one, like American and European men deal with in the cities of harlotry today, then they need to up their God game and convert one of their own broads they can stand being around until they're decrepit.
Looking at your people as a whole, it was their faith that was the primary barrier to miscegenation between a Mesopotamian and an Arab. The insularity of Chaldean conclaves has likely kept more Arab genes out than let them in. Because the Mohammedan hordes never reached as far north as where my family comes from, this is a non-issue. White, though used in previous centuries in legal documents like the founding fathers of the US, evolved into a 20th century term of recognizance as we were slowly surrounded by aliens from all the far corners of the earth against our own wishes. You must remember that the jews lit the powder keg on race, not Aryans, not Europeans, not Whites. That was foisted upon all of us Europeans as existentialism creeped forth given the agenda of the dark spiritual forces at work to remake their Babel. Unfortunately, in the hostile environment of 21st Century America, Canada, Europe, Australia, and South Africa, being White is a life or death issue. It is somewhat dialectic, that they push this identifier and then expect a response to counter their harassment. The Edomites in their think tanks knew very well what they were doing by cultivating Whiteness into the marxian-rhetorical projection agenda.
Without the Anglo-Saxon European structure of this first world, which will cease functioning completely if Whites do become a minority as we see from SA, what chance do your people have without mine being here? If Europeans are truly gone, what is going to stop the jew and it's islamic broom from finishing off your people? You know the struggles of Iraq, where your family came from, the shit that the Chaldeans there are still dealing with there today the minute they express any sense of national or ethnic or religious autonomy. If you had superior numbers and tracts of land that were defensible, perhaps you wouldn't need us or our hospitality. Your people, like all people, will last only as long as they keep outside influences
out. Marrying one Arab might seem permissible, but over time one leads to two, which leads to four, and exponentiates further and given the Islamic nature of those populations, your men would be either creating countless enemies by taking their good women or losing your own women to the Arab men who would demand conversion to Islam for them. The slippery slope of marrying outside one's stock always results in a spiritual contamination down the line, which is much more insidious for the hereafter than the simple "I don't know what race I am" in the here and now:
Malachi 2:11-12
"Judah has been unfaithful. A detestable thing has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem: Judah has desecrated the sanctuary the Lord loves by marrying the daughter of a foreign god. As for the man who does this, whoever he may be, may the Lord remove him from the tents of Jacob—even though he brings an offering to the Lord Almighty."
Every independent culture and race is a threat to the anti-Christ designs. We all have the same imperative, and we all will survive much more better in parallel with living space for each accordingly. Make no mistake, if agitators like myself ceased to rile up people against the miscegenation machine, the consequences would be dire for everyone if the other side has their way. The side that pushes racial mixing has only one end goal, the total obliteration of all cultures and peoples into a slave caste with no traditions, histories, or memories. That is why mixing
purposefully is anti-Christ at its core, it is willfully in line with an anti-God agenda. Other races converting or adopting the faith is fine and all, but nowhere are we inclined to breed with them simply because our own women are herd-like fools. We are instructed to save our own people numerous times:
Proverbs 22:28 - “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.”
1 Timothy 5:8 - “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
Roman 11:1-2 “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.”
Titus 1:10 -11 “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.”
God clearly commands us to look after our own. If they stumble, we have the time span of this mortal coil to dedicate to bring them back to Him and His laws, even if we only bring a few with us. Our efforts to save our own are more honorable than any virtue signaler who simply tucks tail and leaves to go across the world because it's easier in the modern fallen age. To earn the Lord's favor in our own life and for Him to be well-pleased with us may constitute an entire lifetime, but nothing shows more dedication to Him than bringing our people out of immorality and sin back to Him. Something to think about. I hope that clarifies some of your concerns. You see how much clearer everything is when we can understand one another openly. There is zero hostility and there never needs to be.
