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budoslavic said:
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It's pretty obvious seeing it in this video that there would have been no survivors, and death was almost instant for everyone involved.

It's definitely looking intentional now. Trump's people are swearing this investigation will be transparent. I expect to see major dirt found. Hopefully this will help uncover the kind of deep state false flag creation that's been going on for a long time.

It's a shame so many people had to die before they could be exposed, but hopefully now at least this will help shine a light on things.
 
budoslavic said:
Geez...whole thing doesn't add up. Wondering if someone (or Deep State) used Jo Ellis' name as a cover to blame trannies? Was it the same rogue helicopter that attempted to crash the day before but the plane managed to avoid getting hit?
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I was thinking more about that new video that shows it more clearly.

Everybody has seen jets coming in to land at an airport. They are going low and slow shortly before they touch down. Obviously they are big as well. I would think it would be hard to fly a helicopter and hit a jet in most cases, but it would be easy in those final moments when the jet is almost ready to touch down.

These military helicopters have apparently been flying through this final approach airspace routinely. It's hard to imagine how anybody ever thought it was a good idea to do this.

Edit: I just checked the times on the video of the crash. You can see the plane starts spinning end over end and pretty much falls out of the sky after the impact, falling straight down. It took only five seconds from the moment of impact until the plane hit the water. That goes to show just how low the plane was. It must have been only a few seconds from touchdown if it hadn't been hit. It's insane to have helicopters flying through this volume of airspace!
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
Unclear if the same helicopter/crew.

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In the back of my mind, I'm starting to wonder if a helicopter was hacked remotely.

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Did you know Black Hawk helicopters can be flown remotely and autonomously using Sikorsky's MATRIX autonomy system?

The system allows a pilot to send commands to the helicopter from a tablet over a datalink. The helicopter can then carry out the mission without further remote control. During the Association of the United States Army's annual meeting in Washington, D.C., (Association of the United States Army 2024), visitors and U.S. Army senior leaders saw how a Black Hawk helicopter integrated with Sikorsky's MATRIX™ autonomy system can receive remote mission commands in real-time.

Lockheed Martin was very excited to announce this 3 months ago in this video. Nothing to see here folks…
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www.dailydot.com

What is MATRIX? New autonomous Black Hawk helicopter system draws scrutiny in wake of D.C. crash

The nature of last night's crash caused massive speculation.
www.dailydot.com www.dailydot.com
 
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Thomas More said:
Everybody has seen jets coming in to land at an airport. They are going low and slow shortly before they touch down. Obviously they are big as well. I would think it would be hard to fly a helicopter and hit a jet in most cases, but it would be easy in those final moments when the jet is almost ready to touch down.
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The explanation I hear most often, is that the helo crew was wearing NVGs and was blinded by the jet's lights. Which makes sense, but doesn't explain why the blackhawk broke the ceiling in the first place, or why the ATC didn't order them to change altitude/course.
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Thomas More said:
These military helicopters have apparently been flying through this final approach airspace routinely. It's hard to imagine how anybody ever thought it was a good idea to do this.
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As long as they don't break the ceiling, nothing should happen. And it could be a good exercise for helo crews who might have to fly in close proximity to other aircraft. Here, for example, a Russian helicopter provides close anti-MANPADS protection for a cargo plane:


budoslavic said:
In the back of my mind, I'm starting to wonder if a helicopter was hacked remotely.
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No idea if that's doable, but nothing should be ruled out by default.
 
Found this ATC transcription on Reddit (PAT25 is the helo):

Approx 1:20 till crash:

Tower: "PAT25 traffic just south of (unclear) bridge is a CRJ at 1,200ft turning for Runway 33"

PAT25: PAT25 has the Traffic in sight, request visual separation

Tower: Visual separation approved.

Tower: "American 1631 winds are (unclear) no delay, traffic on 3 mile final for Runway 33 cleared for immediate takeoff"

"Cleared for takeoff, AA1631"

Approximately 10 seconds prior to collision

Tower: "PAT25 do you have the CRJ in sight?"

Tower: "PAT25 (unclear maybe pass behind) CRJ"

Pat25: Affirm. Pat 25 has traffic in sight request visual separation.

Tower: Separation.

15 seconds later
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Almost certainly the helicopter's fault based on them either looking at the wrong plane or falsely reporting traffic in sight, in addition to apparently busting an altitude. I heard they had ADS-B off as well which may have given the airliner a chance to avoid the accident but I'm not sure if that had to do with their operational parameters. It's hard for me believe it was intentional as I don't think that would be possible unless multiple members of the crew were in on it which seems unlikely. In addition to the difficulty of pulling off such a maneuver.

I've a lot of hours in planes and my closest call to a midair by a long shot was with a military helo at night, who we learned had exceeded his altitude restriction. I've also had many cases of them cutting through my traffic pattern obliviously. So maybe it is a systemic problem of some kind. I also knew a flight instructor who was working with a Blackhawk pilot transferring to civilian fixed-wing and apparently she was a terrible pilot and very difficult to teach. May not have been only because she was a woman.

I would say it's important to keep this in perspective, in that it's actually a remarkable record that this is the first legit airliner crash in this country for 16 years. Statistically it was bound to happen sooner or later. On the other hand, it is an excellent opportunity to stamp DEI out of aviation entirely, even though it's not entirely relevant to this tragedy.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
Sees an explosion, starts shouting "allahu akbar".
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Followed up by "What the hell!" :ROFLMAO: That's the American version of Allahu akbar. In the ME, you say "God is great!" when something crazy happens. In America, it's "Holy hell! What the hell! Holy shit!"

I prefer the Middle East version.
 
budoslavic said:
Reports were saying 6 people.



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You could hear the jet engines in that Ring video. Some are wondering if this is a missile. I can understand from the way some of the videos look. However you hear jet engines clearly in this video, and I saw another one that appeared to have wreckage all over the street.

Even if this was a Lear Jet as some have said, It's still very unusual to have another plane crash this soon, especially with the helicopter near miss the day before yesterday's crash. That's way too many for coincidence.
 
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