The Destruction of Modern Women

[Blade Runner]

and the media promoting sleazy celebrities like Hugh Hefner working in tandem to further tarnish the image of age gaps as sleazy and predatory.

Yes, it could be true I just don't find it relevant. Why? Few young people have any clue of who those people are, and porn while having greater penetration than most realize (no pun intended lol) probably would only work to make women more excited in older partners, to be honest, however disgusting the industry is. The truth is, men and women in the west (I've spoken on this many times) hate the idea that an older man might get a young woman. That's due to men not being able to get much from women anymore, including youth, and women having all the choice early, then no choice later since they get old quickly relative to their small window. The hatred is literally all about calling out older women trying to scam the system. No, Karen, you can't forego your youth AND get paid later, no matter how much you think you can win the lottery. Do some women get close to this? Yes, which is the major problem as women think in possibilities and not probabilities. Those women conveniently are hovering around the higher rating ranges I'm also guessing, meaning they are at least upper 10%.

Again, men in foreign countries and women in foreign countries where issues like these don't exist also confirm that it's just a normal fact of life. They are secure enough, or accept life and biology enough, to realize that this is just the way things are.

 

[starlight]

Yes, it could be true I just don't find it relevant. Why? Few young people have any clue of who those people are, and porn while having greater penetration than most realize (no pun intended lol) probably would only work to make women more excited in older partners, to be honest, however disgusting the industry is. The truth is, men and women in the west (I've spoken on this many times) hate the idea that an older man might get a young woman. That's due to men not being able to get much from women anymore, including youth, and women having all the choice early, then no choice later since they get old quickly relative to their small window. The hatred is literally all about calling out older women trying to scam the system. No, Karen, you can't forego your youth AND get paid later, no matter how much you think you can win the lottery. Do some women get close to this? Yes, which is the major problem as women think in possibilities and not probabilities. Those women conveniently are hovering around the higher rating ranges I'm also guessing, meaning they are at least upper 10%.

Again, men in foreign countries and women in foreign countries where issues like these don't exist also confirm that it's just a normal fact of life. They are secure enough, or accept life and biology enough, to realize that this is just the way things are.

Young people don't need to know who those people are because it's already been introduced into the social consciousness. It's their parents and grandparents who remember those people and influence their choices. And don't forget how in the 80s and 90s there was also the big push in the movies/TV shows of the middle-aged man divorcing his loyal wife of many years for a "new model" trope that added even more to the age gap ick.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

... the age gap ick.

Beyond the "ick" (regardless of why it exists) age gaps just aren't practical in 2025 unless you are consciously buying love with your money knowing full well that a woman 20+ years your junior wouldn't be interested in you unless she perceived you as being wealthy, and/or unless you have some form of high level status or mini-fame. And it seems to me that any young(ish) woman today that would want to be with an aging, physically unattractive "old" man would be what we call a "gold digger" with daddy issues, and not of an upstanding moral character.

This being said, I noticed in the past that a lot of women weren't as hung up on looks as men are and as a result 10+ year age gaps seemed more common place and realistic. However, in the past 20 years that has changed dramatically. The social engineering project produced by the usual suspects over the last 20 years to feminize men and make women more masculine has made women behave more like men in terms of their demands for physical attractiveness in a male partner or spouse. For example, back in the day (the 1990's) you rarely saw a man who was a 7 with a woman who was anything less than an 8, but in today's sexual marketplace it is common place to see men who are 8's with women who are 6's.

The thirst is real.

At some point us 40+ older men have to accept the current global internet-based hypergamous reality. Personally, I'm stuck in some surface level coveting of female beauty, but when I look in the mirror, time has snuck up on me and I can no longer demand the quality of women (in terms of physical beauty) that I have become accustomed to without throwing money at the problem via low key whore mongering which is something I am unwilling to participate in.

 

[GrecoRoman]

Beyond the "ick" (regardless of why it exists) age gaps just aren't practical in 2025 unless you are consciously buying love with your money knowing full well that a woman 20+ years your junior wouldn't be interested in you unless she perceived you as being wealthy, and/or unless you have some form of high level status or mini-fame. And it seems to me that any young(ish) woman today that would want to be with an aging, physically unattractive "old" man would be what we call a "gold digger" with daddy issues, and not of an upstanding moral character.

This being said, I noticed in the past that a lot of women weren't as hung up on looks as men are and as a result 10+ year age gaps seemed more common place and realistic. However, in the past 20 years that has changed dramatically. The social engineering project produced by the usual suspects over the last 20 years to feminize men and make women more masculine has made women behave more like men in terms of their demands for physical attractiveness in a male partner or spouse. For example, back in the day (the 1990's) you rarely saw a man who was a 7 with a woman who was anything less than an 8, but in today's sexual marketplace it is common place to see men who are 8's with women who are 6's.

The thirst is real.

At some point us 40+ older men have to accept the current global internet-based hypergamous reality. Personally, I'm stuck in some surface level coveting of female beauty, but when I look in the mirror, time has snuck up on me and I can no longer demand the quality of women (in terms of physical beauty) that I have become accustomed to without throwing money at the problem via low key whore mongering which is something I am unwilling to participate in.

Well said. While I would accept a younger woman, I would always be skeptical especially here, but knowing myself anywhere. That’s another thing about meeting someone when you’re young, say in your 20s. Most guys, unless you have a trust fund have little to nothing in terms of material wealth at that age. You’re sure she likes you for you and not what you have. Maybe she was looking at potential, but that’s not concrete. It’s similar to not caring about the material wealth of my friends I’ve known for years. These things change as you get older when status becomes more of a thing.

Like I stated, the entire sugar dating thing is based on age gaps and is just whoring and whore mongering with a different name. It’s just not something I’d like to do either even though many even famous men have done it (Matt Gaetz, Bill Maher, probably Trump) It’s just not real and as you point out, the women participating mostly have daddy issues and are of a low moral character.

Again, maybe because I have actually lived like a monk for a time and was at peace, I would recommend guys here take a serious look into monasticism. At least do a short retreat. It may not be for them, or they may find all this talk about finding a mate moot because they find peace within and peace in silence.

 

[Blade Runner]

At some point us 40+ older men have to accept the current global internet-based hypergamous reality.

I've accepted that in the west, and have stated this numerous times on the site, that even when you're 35 when you could argue you have the greatest combination of all the desired traits, it largely doesn't matter - that is, in a good organic way like it can when you are younger and/or what it's like in other countries where things are practical and "make sense" the the parties involved, culture, etc.

As a result I knew from my mid to late 30s that what I was looking for was only in other places, IF that. I don't know why I have to keep on stating this.

Again, maybe because I have actually lived like a monk for a time and was at peace, I would recommend a serious look into monasticism. At least do a short retreat. It may not be for you, or you may find all this talk about finding a mate moot because you find peace within and peace in silence.

The younger pairing thing comes down to a lot of problematic realities of the modern world. As a guy, you generally have fewer real options, especially if you want to maintain race preference (most non white women will of course have higher interest), religious preference, etc.

You can be at peace generally but still not know exactly what the secret will of God is for you, since you are trying to figure that out and probably will live another 40 years (most on this site I'd guess). If you know that you'll be a monk, well, then you've figured that out. And God Bless you. But that'll be pretty rare. Greco might find that as a calling, or be more sure later. Sorta like Roosh did, I'm presuming.

I have a feeling I know what my calling is or will be, it's just that I'm not 100% sure that it won't include some aspects of life that are still possible, like family. But also, it might, or possibly, I might not ever find anything "worth it". I see where the world is headed, but something few of us know is how fast we are headed there, or how it will look detail-wise, re: our relatives, family, communities and their struggles which we also might be part of or called to help.

 

[Mrs TexasJenn]

That was more so in regards to GrecoRoman’s comment vs anything about your office experience.

Sorry, my mistake.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You know, perhaps I should.

I'm a big believer in asking the saints for help. They have come through for me so many times.



In order to help you find a wife, I think your patron saint, the patron saint of your church, or other prominent saint you're familiar with and often ask for intercession, including The Theotokos, would be the best option. I would include in that St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco, who is good for just about any request for help, as well as St. Seraphim of Sarov and so many others.

I also found some initial comments that St. Xenia is called upon for this purpose, as well as Saint Cecilia, Nov. 22. I have a multi-page record of the life of St. Cecilia that I can't get pics of it right now, but I could probably tomorrow, and it supports the idea that she would intercede for this purpose, although I really found nothing that explicitly attributes help finding a spouse for anyone.



I have a small book of saints and their intercessions and it has an entry for the protection of existing marriages and for marrying one's daughters, which should apply to this situation as well. This book is Orthodox, but comes from Switzerland and is heavily pre-Schism Western Europe, so it seems like more than half of the saints in there I don't recognize. Maybe do some googling on these names to see what you think.





Some quick googling I did revealed a prayer from this web site that looks good to me, a layman. This is not claimed as a prayer from St. Gregory Palamas, just a prayer on a web site with that name.

Orthodox Prayer to Find a Spouse

All-Good and Merciful Lord, I know that any enduring happiness in my life dependeth upon my wholehearted love for Thee and upon mine actions according to Thy holy will in all things; wherefore, direct my soul, O God, and fill my heart. I seek to please Thee alone, for Thou art my Creator and my God. Preserve me from pride and self-love. Let reason, modesty and chastity adorn me. Idleness is hateful unto Thee and breedeth vice; grant unto me the inclination to be fruitful in labor, and bless Thou my work.

Thy law commandeth that man and wife live in chaste matrimonial union; wherefore lead me, Holy Father, to this blessed calling not for the satisfaction of passions but unto the fulfillment of Thy commandment; for Thou hast said that it is not good that man should live alone and, having created woman as his helper, Thou blessest them to be fruitful and multiply that they may fill the earth.

Hear my humble prayer, which ascendeth unto Thee from the depths of my heart: Grant unto me an honest and pious spouse that, through our love and harmony, together we may praise Thee, our Compassionate God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.

Amen.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

Young people don't need to know who those people are because it's already been introduced into the social consciousness. It's their parents and grandparents who remember those people and influence their choices. And don't forget how in the 80s and 90s there was also the big push in the movies/TV shows of the middle-aged man divorcing his loyal wife of many years for a "new model" trope that added even more to the age gap ick.

No, it’s the talmudvision causing this. In America is where most tv shows are made, and America is the most age conscious. But these tv shows are put in other western nations to infect the minds of others. This is lowly spreading outside the anglosphere. (English speaking nations).

Also, most divorces are initiated by women, not men.

 

[RedLagoon]

No, it’s the talmudvision causing this. In America is where most tv shows are made, and America is the most age conscious. But these tv shows are put in other western nations to infect the minds of others. This is lowly spreading outside the anglosphere. (English speaking nations).

Also, most divorces are initiated by women, not men.

90%

 

[Australia Sucks]

I still think men getting married by their mid 20s is ideal for society at large.

That may have worked for the baby boomers but it’s viable anymore given how low real wages have gotten and how expensive housing is due to currency debasement. Back in the 1950s and 1960s men get could a factory job straight out of high school, work hard and at 23 or 24 buy a modest house and get married and start a family. That’s no longer possible for 99% of people. The standard to living is much lower now and for most men to be financially ready for marriage these days it takes them into their 30s.

 

[Blade Runner]

to be financially ready for marriage these days it takes them into their 30s.

While I correct people all the time that the rate limiting step clearly isn't wealth in having children, since around the world so many people have kids who aren't wealthy, the story is more about what has happened in the west: it's about expectations (of women) and the double whammy of women having something (sustenance living) and men having to take longer to appease their material desires. That's the story, since women control sex and reproduction. Again, the issue is feminism and options for women, which dramatically reduce population. You don't have to have a bent on that to state it plainly because it's the entire point and explanation. The problem for women in general in addressing the issue is that it's hard to argue that what we have seen isn't detrimental to both sexes, the human race overall, and the future of all people in a nation (kids).

It's a great example of why one should never make things that are good, but can be taken too far (freedom), an idol.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Beyond the "ick" (regardless of why it exists) age gaps just aren't practical in 2025 unless you are consciously buying love with your money knowing full well that a woman 20+ years your junior wouldn't be interested in you unless she perceived you as being wealthy, and/or unless you have some form of high level status or mini-fame. And it seems to me that any young(ish) woman today that would want to be with an aging, physically unattractive "old" man would be what we call a "gold digger" with daddy issues, and not of an upstanding moral character.

This being said, I noticed in the past that a lot of women weren't as hung up on looks as men are and as a result 10+ year age gaps seemed more common place and realistic. However, in the past 20 years that has changed dramatically. The social engineering project produced by the usual suspects over the last 20 years to feminize men and make women more masculine has made women behave more like men in terms of their demands for physical attractiveness in a male partner or spouse. For example, back in the day (the 1990's) you rarely saw a man who was a 7 with a woman who was anything less than an 8, but in today's sexual marketplace it is common place to see men who are 8's with women who are 6's.

The thirst is real.

At some point us 40+ older men have to accept the current global internet-based hypergamous reality. Personally, I'm stuck in some surface level coveting of female beauty, but when I look in the mirror, time has snuck up on me and I can no longer demand the quality of women (in terms of physical beauty) that I have become accustomed to without throwing money at the problem via low key whore mongering which is something I am unwilling to participate in.

I disagree somewhat. Women in non western countries can have genuine relationships with men in their 40s as long as the man still looks good for his age and is physically active. I would say that from time to time in Latin America you I would see a couple where the man was 20 years older than the woman. In many countries women view older me as being mature, responsible, ready for commitment and less likely to cheat. It’s not only about the money.

 

[Australia Sucks]

While I correct people all the time that the rate limiting step clearly isn't wealth in having children, since around the world so many people have kids who aren't wealthy, the story is more about what has happened in the west: it's about expectations (of women) and the double whammy of women having something (sustenance living) and men having to take longer to appease their material desires. That's the story, since women control sex and reproduction. Again, the issue is feminism and options for women, which dramatically reduce population. You don't have to have a bent on that to state it plainly because it's the entire point and explanation. The problem for women in general in addressing the issue is that it's hard to argue that what we have seen isn't detrimental to both sexes, the human race overall, and the future of all people in a nation (kids).

It's a great example of why one should never make things that are good, but can be taken too far (freedom), an idol.

Exactly. There are plenty of Haitians and Africans pumping out 10 kids while living in shanty towns.

However western women demand a good home and annual vacations, private school for the kids etc and for most men to provide that sort of lifestyle now that would need to be well into their 30s.

 

[Blade Runner]

I would say that from time to time in Latin America you I would see a couple where the man was 20 years older than the woman. In many countries women view older me as being mature, responsible, ready for commitment and less likely to cheat. It’s not only about the money.

It happens all the time.

Exactly. Western women demand a good home and annual vacations etc and for most men to provide that sort of lifestyle now that would need to be well into their 30s.

I know several guys over 40 - don't need to talk about myself here - that are over 6 foot, have great jobs, don't look older than 35 in most cases even (many have hair too) and their pickings are also so slim it's funny, because predicted long ago a couple of them would just get exhausted with the "dating" which mostly became online crap. It would be bad behavior, wanting to talk on the phone all the time, taking them out, and then the woman (especially if in the 30s) finding reasons to be unhappy.

The guy or guys only did it for a while to get sporadic sex, I'm certain. Women in their 30s get jaded, easily disappointed, probably work a job and tell themselves they don't need money/man (even though they want a guy to pay for everything still, head scratcher lol). They quite clearly got used to or trained themselves to sabotage relationships, over and over, because that's what they always did. Zero humility. It's why when you see it over and over, you start to clearly see that women do not do well with money and not having to depend on a man, because they clearly will act out. It sounds bad, but it's the truth. Red pill reality.

The other nuance that you'll find if honest is that the truth is that nothing is perfect and the relationship world is closer to zero sum than people admit. What does that mean? The power and hierarchy thing must exist. And if you give that to the woman, chaos ensues. I'm just the messenger.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

I still think men getting married by their mid 20s is ideal for society at large.

Sure, to women in their mid teens (prime age).

However western women demand a good home and annual vacations, private school for the kids etc and for most men to provide that sort of lifestyle now that would need to be well into their 30s.

most women only offer their worn out p******* in return and shame men wanting young virgins as pedos. Or even worse some other men frame this as “hypocrisy” if the man himself isn’t a virgin (which isn’t the same).

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Sure, to women in their mid teens (prime age).

most women only offer their worn out p******* in return and shame men wanting young virgins as pedos. Or even worse some other men frame this as “hypocrisy” if the man himself isn’t a virgin (which isn’t the same).

There’s a big difference between a few boyfriends before you (acceptable) and the town bike (unacceptable). The reason for this is after having a buffet of options, it will be very difficult for a woman to stay loyal to one man and put the family first. Especially one less experienced than her. It will over all make a toxic relationship- hate to use that word but it is what it is.

(Edit)
Also it’s unnatural and goes against the god given male female dynamic. The scenario would consist of a more experienced woman that lived the high life taking a normie under her wing. A man can do that for a woman, but for a woman to do that for a man is viscerally incorrect. Even if he takes care of himself something will be off and she’ll feel more like a mom than a partner because of Gods design. The woman brings the goods and the man brings the status. She’d be giving the goods to the man without the status. She’d have to suppress those feelings with prayer and fasting. It is totally possible for the hypothetical “town bike” to understand how many men she hurt and how many years she wasted for nothing. Let’s pretend she levels up spiritually and decides to change. Do you understand the fortitude and spiritual constitution needed to be happy making the changes? The woman in question would have gone from being with men with six packs making 100k or more a year. They’d all be tall of course too cos it’s 2025. They took her on vacations and had all the friends and were popular. Now, she finds her self with the office drone I talked about earlier making 55k. He’s average height and looks like anyone else. A few close friends but no big parties or elaborate travels. Not too many IG followers. If she had spiritually evolved enough to be happy with that, she’d more than likely become a nun.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Some more updates.

I took this topic off the forum and into the streets with some women in my family. There’s something this entire forum overlooked that was bought up. Especially with the “a few past boyfriends” category

Like I mentioned I live in an economically depressed area and wages are low. The marriage minded women come from good families and are heavily subsidized by mom and dad so their income + subsidies make them feel wealthier than they are… hence the loving their career. They think the subsidies are normal and everyone has them. So say they have their 40-50k a year office job. Parents pay for apartment rent or housing down payment, they get a leftover family car free, mom has a family plan for the phone. People forget the reason the guillotine isn’t out yet is this isn’t Ancienne Regime France. It’s not <1% and >99% at all. About 20% of Americans are absolutely crushing it and there’s no risk of starvation which is quite clear by the size of its citizens. Daddy’s money is a factor that I never considered till my sister bought it up. Millennial men and Zoomer men are competing against Boomer money subsidies too, which makes the career so attractive in the first place. Boomers came from a different economic reality where they can shower “help” on their daughters. Millennial and Zoomer women from good families really did have life on easy mode from the 90s to honestly, I’d say the wheels are in the initial phases of coming off. They got used to being given boomer money and the state hyped them up 2014 and later. No wonder an allowance is just expected if you’re monogamous.

The poorer women aren’t marriage minded here. They have kids and EBT WIC, non profits pick up the rest. If we had no welfare state 1. Things would be WAYYYYY cheaper, 2. The EBT WIC women will start chasing the middling men. In fact, if we eliminated the welfare state, I could see the Rust Belt and Greater Appalachia being a place for passport free passport bros and foreign passport bros. Instead of E. Europeans, pick yourself up a poor Ohio gal who wants out of Akron. And the obesity issue will be solved by no EBT.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

This is the ick factor explained.

 

[Mrs TexasJenn]

^ The guy in that video objecting to age gaps doesn't give any good reason.

I have no problem with age gaps, as long as the man and woman and their families are good with it (assuming a loving, sensible family with their best interests in mind).

 

[GrecoRoman]

I'm a big believer in asking the saints for help. They have come through for me so many times.

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In order to help you find a wife, I think your patron saint, the patron saint of your church, or other prominent saint you're familiar with and often ask for intercession, including The Theotokos, would be the best option. I would include in that St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco, who is good for just about any request for help, as well as St. Seraphim of Sarov and so many others.

I also found some initial comments that St. Xenia is called upon for this purpose, as well as Saint Cecilia, Nov. 22. I have a multi-page record of the life of St. Cecilia that I can't get pics of it right now, but I could probably tomorrow, and it supports the idea that she would intercede for this purpose, although I really found nothing that explicitly attributes help finding a spouse for anyone.

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I have a small book of saints and their intercessions and it has an entry for the protection of existing marriages and for marrying one's daughters, which should apply to this situation as well. This book is Orthodox, but comes from Switzerland and is heavily pre-Schism Western Europe, so it seems like more than half of the saints in there I don't recognize. Maybe do some googling on these names to see what you think.

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Some quick googling I did revealed a prayer from this web site that looks good to me, a layman. This is not claimed as a prayer from St. Gregory Palamas, just a prayer on a web site with that name.

Does this site have a section for resources of this type? Is this book still available?