The China Thread

[expectation]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website.

Lady is hustling your crowd good for engagement bucks.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him live giving a speech early last year.

You guys are too funny.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website. She is hustling your crowd good for engagement.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him several hours later early last year.

You guys are too funny.


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Have you ever interacted with the Chinese in business? Are you suggesting that they don't keep 2 sets of books?

Why do you trust CCP data whole cloth and don't apply the same skepticism we do to anything the US says?

 

[expectation]

Have you ever interacted with the Chinese in business? Are you suggesting that they don't keep 2 sets of books?

Why do you trust CCP data whole cloth and don't apply the same skepticism we do to anything the US says?

Because I moved to Hong Kong and have been in and out of China for the past decade. So I've interacted with them plenty, recently and not a decade+ ago like a good amount of the posters here that base their stories.

10 years ago, I held similar views as you.

 

[Cooper]

OK after a little googling, I think I understand a little better. Each of the geographic areas in China gets money from the central government based off of population..

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??

They have had effectively 50 years of the 1 child policy. 1979 to 2015.

Here's an article discussing why their population is overinflated. China’s Population-Control Disaster by Yi Fuxian - Project Syndicate https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...ulation-control-policies-by-yi-fuxian-2023-08

The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

Yi Fuxian, a researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, argues that China's population is significantly smaller and declining faster than official figures, estimating it was around 1.28 billion in 2020, not the reported 1.41 billion,

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Because I moved to Hong Kong and have been in and out of China for the past decade. So I've interacted with them plenty, recently and not a decade+ ago like a good amount of the posters here that base their stories.

10 years ago, I held similar views as you.

Fair. Maybe lifting there in Hong Kong it's different and your milage varies.

My good friend (1/2 Taiwanese) actually pulled his manufacturing and facilities out of China after growing issues between his plant and the government. Rampant corruption/poor quality etc

When I was a supply chain manager ordering manufactured equipment from Chinese suppliers we were often ripped off with bunk products, or maybe 1 in 3 batches of material was actually reflecting the details required in the specs.

Knowing that a company we have set up over there had 2 sets of books (1 for us and 1 for them) also led to tons of audit questions and issues as an American company (all be it private) trying to follow da accounting rules the company was under...

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??




The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

I don't think 250 percent and I'm not buying the 500 million number. My point was simply that I don't believe the CCP data and I know they aren't transparent.

Believing that while not believing our own government is a bit ironic no?

 

[eradicator]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website.

Lady is hustling your crowd good for engagement bucks.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him live giving a speech early last year.

You guys are too funny.

Ok, you think China is giving an accurate estimate of their population?

Why are they keeping their ghost cities empty? Why build them in the first place if it’s not part of a larger scam?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Ok, you think China is giving an accurate estimate of their population?

Why are they keeping their ghost cities empty? Why build them in the first place if it’s not part of a larger scam?

They have to have capital investments in these projects to stimulate economy.

Part of the top down central planner impact of a command economy as the Communists operate

 

[eradicator]

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??

The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

You’re leaving out the other half of the equation: having a one child policy would effectively cut their population in half for that generation


Do I think the Chinese provinces lie about their population and exaggerate the number? Sure .

 

[expectation]

Ok, you think China is giving an accurate estimate of their population?

Why are they keeping their ghost cities empty? Why build them in the first place if it’s not part of a larger scam?

Yeah - its accurate. I'm sure you can do a sanity check on food imports, transportation data, cell data, and electricity generation to see if it aligns and use Grok/DeepSeek/LLM to check for you.

They're not empty. Local governments preplanned their cities and intentionally oversupply to ensure housing ownership is a high % as principal policy. Its the opposite of Hong Kong, where Real Estate Oligarchies like Li Ka Shing capture regulatory policies to keep housing supply low and extract rent and profit as much as possible.

Have you heard the meme "Housing is for living, not for speculation?" It is a legit PRC policy to favor home ownership % through making homes affordable over using housing as a wealth creation tool.

So these new Mainland cities will start off as ghost towns and then gradually become more populated as buyers begin to step in. I'm sure there are cases where they mess up the planning and have to adjust though.

Here is Small Brained American visiting Ordos - and the article that started it all. As you can see, there are people and infrastructure is working through SBA...

Ordos: The biggest ghost town in China

A mining boom in Inner Mongolia led to a large-scale house building programme, but in Ordos the houses stand empty, a sign that China's housing bubble may have burst, says Peter Day.

www.bbc.com

Will Hongkongers ever learn the true value of a home?

Wealth creation should never be more important than our quality of life, and the Hong Kong government’s policy to encourage home ownership should not ignore other ways to give people a stake in society

www.scmp.com

 

[expectation]

Fair. Maybe lifting there in Hong Kong it's different and your milage varies.

My good friend (1/2 Taiwanese) actually pulled his manufacturing and facilities out of China after growing issues between his plant and the government. Rampant corruption/poor quality etc

When I was a supply chain manager ordering manufactured equipment from Chinese suppliers we were often ripped off with bunk products, or maybe 1 in 3 batches of material was actually reflecting the details required in the specs.

Knowing that a company we have set up over there had 2 sets of books (1 for us and 1 for them) also led to tons of audit questions and issues as an American company (all be it private) trying to follow da accounting rules the company was under...

I don't think 250 percent and I'm not buying the 500 million number. My point was simply that I don't believe the CCP data and I know they aren't transparent.

Believing that while not believing our own government is a bit ironic no?

Sorry to hear about your friend. I heard that the previous decade was practically like the wild west and individual Chinese especially from that generation can be very greedy and would take advantage of those not careful. I definitely don't see it with the new youth though - the education system and the evolution of the environment had shaped them up pretty well - I actually preferred Mainlanders over local HK'ers leading engagements that I had managed with Fortune 500 clients actually during my time at Big 4 consulting.

Believing that while not believing our own government is a bit ironic no?

At the same token, this forum has pages and pages of Deep content on Js owning the media and how they are not trust worthy so believing it from the same industry yet you expect truth about China and other adversities from the same media complex that they own. Ironic indeed.

BTW, I know you listen to Miles Guo as you have a habit of mentioning him. Did you get a chance to watch him attempt to orchestrate the Hong Kong Protest 2019 on Steve Bannon's show? Through living through HK 2019, I understood how narratives can be weaponized and how essential it is to identify that in order to navigate this world.

Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Nov 25, 2024

re: Hong Kong Protestors Update

Here is an interesting video I've found in my feed. Here we have...

• Jimmy Lai, begging for additional support from US & UK in a news outlet
• Miles Guo giving orders to the HK Protestors during a livestream with Steven Bannon
• Miles Guo giving a sitrep with one of the protest organizers with promise of additional foreign support and funding
• Some examples of illegal activities from the rioters including
  • Built up barricades to block traffic
  • Intercepted and harassed private cars/passerby while masked
  • Rioters trespass on private...

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[Get2choppaaa]

Sorry to hear about your friend. I heard that the previous decade was practically like the wild west and individual Chinese especially from that generation can be very greedy and would take advantage of those not careful. I definitely don't see it with the new youth though - the education system shaped them up pretty well - I actually preferred Mainlanders over local HK'ers leading engagements that I had managed with clients actually during my time at Big 4 consulting.

My buddy pulled out in 2018 right before covid. He's actually a well known internet persona in LEAN manufacturing now and real estate but that's a different story.

Experience may also be largely based on your own size and company scale. If you're carrying a Big 4 reputation you're going to get different engagement than a smaller company trying to do this on their own.... I'm sure you've considered that though.

At the same token, this forum has pages and pages of Deep content on Js owning the media and how they are not trust worthy so believing it from the same industry yet you expect truth about China from the same media complex that they own. Ironic indeed.

This is my point im skeptical on both sides and only basing my opinion on what I have witnessed and people I trust. I don't trust media on any side with out my own discernment.

China also has tons of Israeli influence as you are no doubt well aware of.

Surely youre not trying to imply I'm saying our government is totally trust worthy and only theirs isn't. In the military I've been involved in things only to see the fox news headline be factually wrong yet the public statement from the DOD (or DOW now) is who's cited. I'm well aware the entire news media is in on it.

BTW, I know you listen to Miles Guo as you have a habit of mentioning him. Did you get a chance to watch him attempt to orchestrate the Hong Kong Protest 2019 on Steve Bannon's show? Through living through HK 2019, I understood how narratives can be weaponized.

Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Nov 25, 2024

re: Hong Kong Protestors Update

Here is an interesting video I've found in my feed. Here we have...

• Jimmy Lai, begging for additional support from US & UK in a news outlet
• Miles Guo giving orders to the HK Protestors during a livestream with Steven Bannon
• Miles Guo giving a sitrep with one of the protest organizers with promise of additional foreign support and funding
• Some examples of illegal activities from the rioters including
  • Built up barricades to block traffic
  • Intercepted and harassed private cars/passerby while masked
  • Rioters trespass on private...

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Yeah I am aware of Guo and his issues with the CCP. I'm not so much a fan of his....but I am of Steve Bannon. Whom is one of the only really American first voices out there. GUO funded his show before it took off during the war room pandemic era

For the record I hate Communists so I tend to want to side with anyone who is anti communist. Guo has his own issues.

I occasionally watch the Duran as well and their take on China is often pretty middle of the road.

They have made several incorrect predictions about the rate of decline of America and their military and trade stuff is so so.

THe other thing is that there are tons and tons and tons of Chinese bots out there. Tons of them. All pushing bullshit abkut Chinas military and their tech and their capabilities. I believe fuck all when it comes to that.

 

[dicknixon72]

You know these are Chinese autonomous delivery vans because they certainly drive like Chinese...


"Rhen it absorutry, posahtivrree has to-a be there overnight!"

 

[magoo]

CIA issues eerie video urging Chinese citizens to 'share the truth'

'The CIA wants to know the truth about China, and we are looking for people who know and can tell the truth.'

metro.co.uk

The CIA has urged anyone who knows the ‘truth’ about China to come forward and share confidential information with them.

In a bizarre video on their social mediaaccounts, alongside videos of Chinese businesspeople working, the intelligence agency gave instructions on how to give tips about Xi Jinping’s government.

I wrote about it here before. Western Intelligence agencies are gearing up against China. New Cold War.

 

[Cooper]

CIA issues eerie video urging Chinese citizens to 'share the truth'

'The CIA wants to know the truth about China, and we are looking for people who know and can tell the truth.'

metro.co.uk

The CIA has urged anyone who knows the ‘truth’ about China to come forward and share confidential information with them.

In a bizarre video on their social mediaaccounts, alongside videos of Chinese businesspeople working, the intelligence agency gave instructions on how to give tips about Xi Jinping’s government.

I wrote about it here before. Western Intelligence agencies are gearing up against China. New Cold War.

The cold war with China has been going on for many years now, surprised you haven't noticed. The event that clearly signaled its start was the arrest of Huawei's CFO and founder's daughter Meng in Vancouver 8 years ago at the behest of US authorities.

Huawei's Meng Wanzhou flies back to China after deal with US

The row over Meng Wanzhou's detention in 2018 strained China's relations with Canada and the US.

www.bbc.com

 

[Cooper]

China's most famous dissident comes back home after deciding that life and freedom in modern-day Germany isn't what it's cracked up to be:



"This is extraordinary and profoundly symbolic: Ai Weiwei has returned to China for the first time in 10 years and says he concluded that Beijing is "more humane" than Germany which he describes as "insecure and unfree".

He gave an interview to Germany's Berliner Zeitung after his trip (https://berliner-zeitung.de/kultur-vergnuegen/ai-weiwei-haelt-deutschland-einen-spiegel-vor-meine-bankkonten-wurden-zweimal-geschlossen-li.10013035) and here is what he said:

- He described feeling that Beijing had become like "a broken jade being perfectly reassembled" and said he felt no fear returning to the country.

- He complained that daily life difficulties in Europe (where he's lived for the past 10 years) are "at least ten times" what they are in China, criticizing European bureaucracy.

- For instance he said he reactivated his dormant Chinese bank account in mere minutes (with "still had a considerable sum of money in it"). He contrasts this with his experience in Europe: "In Germany, my bank accounts were closed twice. And not just mine, but my girlfriend's as well. In Switzerland, I was refused an account at the country's largest bank, and another bank later closed my account there as well. There were other similar incidents, which I won't go into detail about here. These processes are extraordinarily complicated and often irrational."

- He says that "with regard to the political climate, daily life for ordinary people in Beijing feels more natural and humane" than in Germany which "feels cold, rational, and deeply bureaucratic. As an individual, one feels confined and precarious there."

- Stunningly he says that in Germany, over ten years, "almost no one has ever invited me to their home. Neighbors from above or below exchange at most a brief nod." He contrasts this with China where, immediately upon his return, "perfectly ordinary people from at least five different professions lined up, hoping to meet me."

- He concludes that Germany now "plays the role of an insecure and unfree country, struggling to find its position between history and future."As a European who's lived 8 years in China, I couldn't agree more: life in China is an order of magnitude less cumbersome than in Europe and daily life feels much more humane and warm, contrary to popular belief.

But it's one thing for me to say it, and something else entirely for China's most famous dissident. The man once celebrated throughout the West as the very embodiment of opposition to his country has now concluded that it is in fact Europe that's inhumane and "unfree".


What pushed him over the edge is that he became persona non grata in German media, art circles across Europe, and after he spoke out about the Gaza genocide, he got cancelled. This must have come as a shock to him.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Wow, I'm shocked at this news about Ai WeiWei. He low-key fled to Germany after the police nearly killed him in Sichuan for trying to count how many children died in tofu schoolhouses in the 2008 earthquake. This is a highly abridged telling of that story.

I can understand not wanting to stay after getting canceled by the Jews, but the only thing to read between the lines is in regards to his mother and son being mentioned. The CCP often uses family back in the mainland to put pressure on dissidents outside the country.

May God bless Ai Weiwei and his family in his return to China.

 

[Cooper]

Wow, I'm shocked at this news about Ai WeiWei. He low-key fled to Germany after the police nearly killed him in Sichuan for trying to count how many children died in tofu schoolhouses in the 2008 earthquake. This is a highly abridged telling of that story.

I can understand not wanting to stay after getting canceled by the Jews, but the only thing to read between the lines is in regards to his mother and son being mentioned. The CCP often uses family back in the mainland to put pressure on dissidents outside the country.

May God bless Ai Weiwei and his family in his return to China.

The guy is worth tens of millions, conservatively speaking. If what you are implying here is true, he would have had his mother leave China and would have set her up in a most comfortable place anywhere in the world.

I very much doubt that Ai is making his statements above under duress.

 

[expectation]

 

[Northumber]

- He concludes that Germany now "plays the role of an insecure and unfree country, struggling to find its position between history and future."As a European who's lived 8 years in China, I couldn't agree more: life in China is an order of magnitude less cumbersome than in Europe and daily life feels much more humane and warm, contrary to popular belief.

Careful with this. Less cumbersome rarely maps to humane and warm. Less cumbersome is what everyone will be sold: convenience, streamlined, etc.. Integrated completely in the system.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The guy is worth tens of millions, conservatively speaking. If what you are implying here is true, he would have had his mother leave China and would have set her up in a most comfortable place anywhere in the world.

I very much doubt that Ai is making his statements above under duress.

About Ai Weiwei in particular I am speculating based on past cases, where the CCP would not allow family members to leave.