The China Thread

[expectation]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website.

Lady is hustling your crowd good for engagement bucks.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him live giving a speech early last year.

You guys are too funny.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website. She is hustling your crowd good for engagement.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him several hours later early last year.

You guys are too funny.


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Have you ever interacted with the Chinese in business? Are you suggesting that they don't keep 2 sets of books?

Why do you trust CCP data whole cloth and don't apply the same skepticism we do to anything the US says?

 

[expectation]

Have you ever interacted with the Chinese in business? Are you suggesting that they don't keep 2 sets of books?

Why do you trust CCP data whole cloth and don't apply the same skepticism we do to anything the US says?

Because I moved to Hong Kong and have been in and out of China for the past decade. So I've interacted with them plenty, recently and not a decade+ ago like a good amount of the posters here that base their stories.

10 years ago, I held similar views as you.

 

[Cooper]

OK after a little googling, I think I understand a little better. Each of the geographic areas in China gets money from the central government based off of population..

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??

They have had effectively 50 years of the 1 child policy. 1979 to 2015.

Here's an article discussing why their population is overinflated. China’s Population-Control Disaster by Yi Fuxian - Project Syndicate https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...ulation-control-policies-by-yi-fuxian-2023-08

The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

Yi Fuxian, a researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, argues that China's population is significantly smaller and declining faster than official figures, estimating it was around 1.28 billion in 2020, not the reported 1.41 billion,

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Because I moved to Hong Kong and have been in and out of China for the past decade. So I've interacted with them plenty, recently and not a decade+ ago like a good amount of the posters here that base their stories.

10 years ago, I held similar views as you.

Fair. Maybe lifting there in Hong Kong it's different and your milage varies.

My good friend (1/2 Taiwanese) actually pulled his manufacturing and facilities out of China after growing issues between his plant and the government. Rampant corruption/poor quality etc

When I was a supply chain manager ordering manufactured equipment from Chinese suppliers we were often ripped off with bunk products, or maybe 1 in 3 batches of material was actually reflecting the details required in the specs.

Knowing that a company we have set up over there had 2 sets of books (1 for us and 1 for them) also led to tons of audit questions and issues as an American company (all be it private) trying to follow da accounting rules the company was under...

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??




The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

I don't think 250 percent and I'm not buying the 500 million number. My point was simply that I don't believe the CCP data and I know they aren't transparent.

Believing that while not believing our own government is a bit ironic no?

 

[eradicator]

I like how the lady that started this theory didn't believe in it when she wrote her own profile on her website.

Lady is hustling your crowd good for engagement bucks.

Funny enough, she made the claim that Xi had a stroke while I was watching him live giving a speech early last year.

You guys are too funny.

Ok, you think China is giving an accurate estimate of their population?

Why are they keeping their ghost cities empty? Why build them in the first place if it’s not part of a larger scam?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Ok, you think China is giving an accurate estimate of their population?

Why are they keeping their ghost cities empty? Why build them in the first place if it’s not part of a larger scam?

They have to have capital investments in these projects to stimulate economy.

Part of the top down central planner impact of a command economy as the Communists operate

 

[eradicator]

Do you think that the provinces can lie to their central government about something as basic as the size of their population by a factor of 250%??

The fertility rate in China before 1980 was over 5.0, that alone could account for their population almost doubling between 1950 and 1980.

Your guy here, Yi Fuxian, does seem like a serious researcher. His estimate of the Chinese population today is 1.28 billion, which is a reasonable number, about 9% higher than official estimates. On the other hand, the statement by that Falun Gong lady above of China's population being around 500 million is complete bunk.

You’re leaving out the other half of the equation: having a one child policy would effectively cut their population in half for that generation


Do I think the Chinese provinces lie about their population and exaggerate the number? Sure .