The China Thread

Music, it's easy to prove that the Chinese government actually loves its people and cares for their future, unlike the (((West))).
This is an interesting topic, but a deep one.

Yes, China's zero-tolerance policy on drugs within its borders does seem to reflect a government that, at least in this surface-level respect, prioritizes the well-being of its own citizens. Executing drug dealers and maintaining a visible absence of addicts in public spaces is an effective way to curb the immediate societal harm that drugs cause.

However it’s impossible to overlook China’s complicity in the global drug trade especially in the fentanyl crisis that’s devastating the West.

China’s government enforces stability, but this is not altruistic love, it’s a calculated strategy to maintain control over its population and project an image of order. Their actions prioritize the survival of the regime not necessarily the well-being of individuals, and their role in the fentanyl crisis globally undermines any claim of moral high ground on their part.

Very simple metric - the drug death metric. How many addicts are in America, Europe, and China? How many overdoses due to heroin aka fentanyl? In China, you get the death penalty for even carrying the stuff. It's completely prohibited and there are no visible addictions anywhere on the street.

The drug death metric reflects enforcement, not morality. China cracks down harshly on domestic drug issues and executes drug dealers while turning a blind eye to the massive export of fentanyl precursors to Mexican cartels fueling addiction in the West. These chemicals are a necessary component for synthesizing fentanyl which is then smuggled into the US and other Western nations. Chinese chemical manufacturers know full well how their products are being used and the Chinese government cannot claim ignorance. This isn't just negligence, it's profit-driven complicity. Their streets may be clean, but the poison they enable abroad speaks volumes about their disregard for lives outside their borders.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/...anufacturing-companies-and-employees-indicted

The DEA is a highly corrupt organization, but they do know how to trace their synthetics well. Their offices are also internationally like many other US federal agencies so they don't just deal with what they find coming up the US border. Virtually all of the precursors are made in Chinese that end up in dead Americans. This is a bipartisan website here that focuses on the results of these laboratory findings:

https://selectcommitteeontheccp.hou...s-ccps-role-american-fentanyl-epidemic-report

American leaders don't give a damn about the people here, and let the drugs flow in unabated. They probably work with the cartels to keep the borders open and profit from the deaths of 100K citizens here every year.

The common denominator in these threads for most of us is to seek fault and guilt and therefore the object of blame, but it is never that simple these days.

Western corruption and political failures absolutely play a role in the drug crisis, but blaming only the US ignores how Mexican cartels profit from Chinese precursor chemicals and how the CCP profits economically and strategically from this cycle of destruction.

The production and export of fentanyl precursors are not a small-scale rogue operation but a significant and highly organized industry that benefits from access to advanced chemical manufacturing infrastructure, international shipping networks, and global trade routes. For such a large-scale operation to continue functioning, it’s implausible that the Chinese government known for its extensive surveillance and strict regulatory oversight not to be aware of its activities and production levels.

The CCP views the fentanyl crisis as a form of asymmetric warfare against the West. By enabling the flow of fentanyl precursors, China profits economically while indirectly undermining Western nations with fueling addiction, societal collapse, and public health crises. This method aligns with it's goals of weakening perceived rivals like the US without direct military conflict. We're killing ourselves just not fast enough for them.

That doesn't happen in China, which automatically places them on far higher moral ground than anywhere else in the (((West))).
China’s control over drugs domestically doesn’t place them on higher moral ground it just highlights their selective enforcement. They prioritize internal stability while exporting chaos to weaken their geopolitical rivals, proving this is not about morality but strategy.

The entire assembly line of the global drug trade has blood on its hands, from the Chinese chemical manufacturers to the Mexican cartels, corrupt Mexican/US border officials, and yes especially Western governments that fail to at securing borders, and who also refuse to resolve addiction crises. We can thank the (((Sacklers))) for most of this behavior being permitted, among many others who will never be inconvenienced with a courthouse.

When China was run by the Talmuds, drugs flowed into their country. But nowadays, there are genuine nationalists in charge, which is why there are no drugs there and George Soros calls for the removal of President Xi.

While Xi’s government curbs domestic drug use it enables the fentanyl crisis abroad which shows that their 'nationalism' is self-serving and weaponized against the West rather than focused on universal ethics. I don't know any European nationalists who advocate pouring drugs into their enemies country, it is not considered honorable. Perhaps this is the Manchurian revenge for the Opium wars. Guys like It_Is_My_Time and Cooper think China will squash us in the future when we are completely broken, but all of this behavior shows it to be more like payback for their "Century of Humiliation."

Think about it, the West (really just the jews forcing England) once used drugs to destabilize China, and now China is supplying the means for a similar crisis in the West (getting the Brits back but really hurting America more). While the motivations may differ, ie profit versus imperialist dominance, the parallels are undeniable. It is a cyclical dynamic of exploitation and retaliation.

I have no doubt this would still happen even if Xi was not in charge, it's a racial grudge, but they fail to see the architects of those wars as they wouldn't allow Rothschild and Sassoon advisors and controllers in dozens of their financial institutions to this very day if they knew better.

The Rothchild-Sassoon connection that is still present in China gives this situation a secondary angle, but one would have to refute the idea that there are independent nations first. The Opium Wars show how financial and mercantile elites could leverage national armies and policies to achieve their ends often against the interests of the very nations they "represented." The same pattern can be observed today where transnational elites profit from the destabilization of nations through drugs, debt, and cultural subversion.

In this context both the opium trade of the 19th century and the fentanyl crisis today are strategies for weakening societies to consolidate power globally. The suffering of nations whether China in the 19th century or the West today is a byproduct, not the primary goal. In this instance this is less a case of two nations "getting back at each other" across centuries and more a continuation of a system where talmudic elites manipulate nations for their own ends.

The whole "George Soros wants Xi out" is theater. Soros is an agent provocateur who is proving himself less worthy to the cabal by the day. The fact that most of his shadiness is public knowledge is a red flag to focus on him as the sole mouthpiece for the New World Order. He is dangerous like his murderous Clinton agents, but with or without him their agenda proceeds. The "Shanghai clique being outed in 2012" that Cooper keeps bringing up are not the people who are still controlling and advising the boards of the most strategic and effective financial institutions in China (The Bank of China, The Bank of Qingdao, Querces Ventures, the Chinese Creat Group, CIIC (Group) Company (Chinese: 中实(集团)公司), CEFC China Energy, Auster Capital, China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), China Netcom, Volvo, Pirelli, China Chengtong Holdings Group, and Alibaba Group) as of January 27th 2025. The suggestion that Xi is an anti-globalist nationalist fighting against international elites doesn’t hold up when examining China’s deep, ongoing, and growing financial entanglements with global capital.

Xi Jinping is rhetorically a nationalist, but economically and ideologically a globalist. Whatever makes the people work harder works for him. China has been built the way it is for a purpose, which is not to "secure the existence of it's peoples and a future for Chinese children". If pseudo-nationalism keeps production going then the state will employ it to optimize production levels. If it ends up not doing it, what can be given so easily can also be easily taken away, and the old Maoist communist spirit will revive itself once more.

I do recall you telling me once that jews fight amongst themselves just like anyone else, though the causes are rarer, well the same is true for all globalist enforcers who operate with impunity. Both Soros and Xi have tremendous power in their own spheres of influence. I do believe we will see Xi outlast Soros but that won't stop the agenda from continuing either.

The drug metric is by far the easiest measurement to use, because there is literally no reason for highly addictive and destructive drugs to be widely available on the streets, other than political corruption. Drugs are a political decision and nothing else.

Drugs are indeed a political decision, but the global drug trade is driven by shared culpability: Western demand, cartel trafficking, and Chinese supply of precursors. Each player profits from this destruction and China’s hands are far from clean in this generational war of subversion and exploitation.

@Get2choppaaa I would like your thoughts on this subject when you have time. This tactic is essentially called asymmetric warfare, non-military means to undermine an opponent.

"By deception thou shalt wage warfare" applies to all powers here. Both the West and the East wage a foul game of subversive warfare: the West undermines through degenerative ideologies, "color" revolutions, and exporting consumerism and "progress" that erodes traditions and hollows out societies, while the East exploits these fractures by fueling addiction, dependency, and economic subjugation, turning the West’s decadence into a weapon against itself. Each side preys on the other's weaknesses, engaging in a mutual assault of symbiotic antagonism that corrodes national foundations and perpetuates global instability. Who benefits from all of this?

All are guilty in the present day, what we each have is a matter of perspective of seeing the worst of one but not of the other. Few have seen both.

Addendum and deeper analysis:

Ultimately the Chinese people are presently benefitting from a more stable society at the expense of and to the detriment of the people in the west. The inverse of this was not true of America's golden age, though it could be said that the British officers in the 1850s certainly did receive some temporary perks for their drug stampede, enough to keep English goyim complacent and clueless of the greater agenda.

Institutions like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Rothschild bankers facilitated the offshoring of American industry to China turning the country into the "world’s factory." These sellouts didn’t just hollow out American manufacturing but gave China the technological and industrial tools it needed to become a global superpower. China’s economic ascension wasn’t born from ingenuity but from access to Western innovation, infrastructure investment, and markets. Western corporations not only outsourced manufacturing but also transferred proprietary technologies, giving China the keys to industries they couldn’t have developed independently at the same speed. This external "trade" has been the critical driver of its economic rise.

The golden age of American prosperity characterized by a strong middle class, robust domestic manufacturing, and high economic mobility was intentionally dismantled in favor of globalization. We all know the result with millions of jobs lost as factories closed, leaving entire communities in economic ruin, a rising dependence on cheap foreign goods creating a trade imbalance that weakened American self-reliance, and the erosion of national identity as corporate greed superseded loyalty to one’s country. During those decades it was almost entirely domestic production and innovation which fueled growth allowing the nation to build a middle class and establish economic dominance on its own terms. It was the spirit of entrepreneurship that turned a young republic into an eventual global powerhouse.

With China what we have is a country that appears to have its act together. Even with the rednote revelations there is still a lot of selective exposure going on, and for all that is better there than the West, the starry-eyed Americans and Europeans don't have a clue why it all "looks so good" and they're stuck with garbage people and policies everywhere.

How many of the pro-China people here would abandon everything in the West and go live in China? None of them will. You won't, Cooper won't, even if I was hypothetically paid handsomely to shut my mouth and stop criticizing everyone everywhere and live like a king there, I would not.

We intrinsically want our own lands to repent and build themselves up again. Innately, no matter how much we hate the West, something in you that no propaganda can remove knows that this is your home that your ancestors carved out of a dreadful, uncaring, merciless, unforgiving world, and our ingenuity has allowed every other race to enjoy that without having to struggle to attain it. We were all deceived. Dispensationalism and zionism and the fomentation of the world wars in conjunction with the destruction of all monarchies and their replacement with the twin deathstyles of capitalism and communism gave us this, and our spirits faltered.

Haggai 1:6: "You have planted much, but harvested little. You eat, but never have enough. You drink, but never have your fill. You put on clothes, but are not warm. You earn wages, only to put them in a purse with holes in it."

Jeremiah 5:19: "And when the people ask, ‘Why has the Lord our God done all this to us?’ you will tell them, ‘As you have forsaken me and served foreign gods in your own land, so now you will serve foreigners in a land not your own.’"

The modern prosperity enjoyed by Chinese citizens is inseparable from the suffering and sacrifice of the West which allowed itself to be gutted by greed-driven elites who traded national stability and sovereignty for short-term profits. China’s rise may be impressive on the surface but it is less a testament to self-made greatness and more to a byproduct of Western industries, technologies, and economies being offshored, leaving behind hollowed-out communities and addiction epidemics. The fentanyl crisis and the exploitation of Western decadence are not acts of genius or moral superiority, they are calculated forms of warfare parasitically feeding off the very systems that once empowered the West, exposing a world where one nation's gains are built on the calculated erosion of another's foundations.

These days it's either a bad time for everyone, or whoever is having a good time is doing so at another's loss. But it will not be this way forever.

Joel 2:25-26: "I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten; the great locust and the young locust, the other locusts and the locust swarm; my great army that I sent among you. You will have plenty to eat, until you are full, and you will praise the name of the Lord your God, who has worked wonders for you; never again will my people be shamed."
 
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Does anyone know the suicide rates in China? I doubt they're as high in China as they are in the West where it's sickeningly high? Who in the West doesn't know of someone who's topped themselves because of the hell that society has become? There's no real help here they'll just drug you up and send you back to your shitty job and confirm that you're crazy for questioning the mess around you.
 
Does anyone know the suicide rates in China? I doubt they're as high in China as they are in the West where it's sickeningly high? Who in the West doesn't know of someone who's topped themselves because of the hell that society has become? There's no real help here they'll just drug you up and send you back to your shitty job and confirm that you're crazy for questioning the mess around you.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the suicide rate in the US in 2020 was about 14.5 per 100,000 people. What I found more recently in 2022 was 14.2 per 100,000, down a tick but not by much.

In 2023, it was 49,300.

link: https://apnews.com/article/us-suicide-rate-cdc-c57bb0852adfb4d85b3670d465a8b890

Suicide Demographics (by Race and Gender in the US:

By Gender:
-Males
account for about 80% of all suicides in the U.S.
-The suicide rate for males is around four times higher than females.
-Common causes for male suicide are often associated with social isolation, financial pressures, and untreated mental health issues.

By Race/Ethnicity:
-Non-Hispanic White individuals
have a higher suicide rate compared to other racial groups (around 17.6 per 100,000).
-American Indian/Alaska Native (AI/AN) groups have the highest suicide rate at approximately 27.1 per 100,000.
-Hispanic suicide rate is lower (7.0 per 100,000).
-Black Americans tend to have a significantly lower suicide rate compared to Whites and AI/AN groups (7.6 per 100,000).
-Asian Americans have suicide rates around 8.0 per 100,000, with some variation by specific ethnic groups within the larger category.

Age Group:
-Older adults (ages 75 and older)
have the highest suicide rates among males. (lotta guys with nothing to live for)
-For females, the highest suicide rates are typically in the 45-64 age group.

China has historically had one of the highest suicide rates in the world, especially in rural areas although the rates have apparently been declining in recent years. According to the World Health Organization (as if they're one to trust), China's suicide rate peaked in the early 1990s, with over 23 suicides per 100,000 people. However, this has significantly dropped to about 9.7 suicides per 100,000 people by 2019. Unlike many Western countries where males have higher suicide rates China has observed higher suicide rates among females.

Links:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1170588/china-overall-suicide-rate/
https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/doi/10.46234/ccdcw2023.109

Some figures give anywhere between 8.1 to 9.7 per 100,000, far down from a much higher percentage decades ago.

By Gender:
-Males:
Generally, males have a higher suicide rate than females in China.
-Females: Females have a lower suicide rate compared to males, but the gender imbalance is much lower than in other countries

By Age Group:
-Children (5–14 years):
Between 2010 and 2021, there was a significant increase in suicide mortality among children aged 5–14 years, with an average annual percent change (AAPC) of 9.3%.
-Adolescents (15–24 years): Suicide mortality rates initially decreased between 2010 and 2017 but later increased from 2017 to 2021, with an AAPC of 19.6%.
-Adults (25–44 years): Significant declines in suicide mortality were observed in this age group, with an AAPC of −4.6%.
-Middle-aged Adults (45–64 years): A significant decline in suicide mortality was noted in this age group, with an AAPC of −4.1%.
-Older Adults (65 years and above): A significant decline in suicide mortality was observed in this age group, with an AAPC of −8.3%.

By Location:
-Urban Areas:
Suicide mortality rates in urban areas have decreased, with an AAPC of −4.1%.
-Rural Areas: Rural areas have also seen a decline in suicide mortality rates, with an AAPC of −5.7%.

If we compare both in total and per capita,

China (8.1 suicides per 100,000 people * 1.4 billion = 135,800 suicides roughly)
USA (14.5 suicides per 100,000 people * 330 million = 47,850 suicides roughly)

Per Capita:
The US has a significantly higher suicide rate per capita (14.5 per 100,000) than China (9.7 per 100,000).

Total Suicides:
China has more total suicides than the U.S. (approximately 114,000 vs. 47,850 in the U.S. in 2020).

Now before anyone jumps to any foregone conclusions lets wind the clocks back a few decades to when China's was the highest. This ties in to my last post:

China: Suicide Rates in the 1990s - 2000s

In the 1990s China had the highest suicide rate in the world peaking at 23 per 100,000 people (compared to global average of 11.6). The rate was much higher in rural areas particularly among women, reaching as high as 40 per 100,000 in some rural regions. This was largely due to economic hardship, lack of mental health resources, and mass dislocation as China transitioned to a market economy. Many rural citizens were still in extreme poverty, with few opportunities for 'upward mobility.' Over 200,000 suicides per year were occurring during this period.

U.S.: Suicide Rates 1990s - 2000s

In the US suicide rates began to rise around the 1990s but were far lower than China’s at the time. The rate was about 12 per 100,000 in 1990.
Specific Groups: The middle-aged working-class men were especially hard-hit by economic changes during this period, especially with the rise of deindustrialization and the loss of manufacturing jobs. This group saw significant increases in unemployment, drug usage, and suicides.

Comparing the two:

China in 1990s:
Suicides per 100,000: 23 (Peak, largely rural)
Total suicides per year: 100,000+

U.S. in 1990s
:
Suicides per 100,000: 12
Total suicides per year: 30,000 - 40,000

So what changed from then until now was China’s manufacturing boom and the rise of their economy significantly helped reduce the suicide rate particularly in urban areas. By 2010, China’s suicide rate had fallen to about 10 per 100,000. Conversely, America’s suicide rates started rising significantly in the 2010s due to deindustrialization, the collapse of the American Dream, and growing social isolation.

While China’s peak suicide rates were higher during its economic transition, they declined as China received greater manufacturing and foreign investment, leading to an economic uplift for many citizens. On the other hand, the US suicide rate has been rising over the past few decades exacerbated by the collapse of manufacturing a lack of social mobility for working-class Americans. Not to mention all the jewish pharmaceuticals and troon shit turning a lot of people's brains into melted sidewalk cheese. Economics is the primer for most of these though. It was the same in Weimar, crippling debt and hyperinflation on top of a completely demoralized nation infested with jewish degeneracy.

Also to note, the present-day level of suicides in America was not nearly as high as it was during the Great Depression, which bumped it up to 17.4 per 100,000 in a much smaller population (124mil to 330mil today), meaning if we take the year 1932 for example had 21,576 suicides of all White Americans compared to 2020's 47,850 suicides of many aliens and not just Whites. So effectively bad economics precedes moral degradation.

In essence China’s transition to a manufacturing economy improved its mental health, while the US' decline in manufacturing has contributed to its growing suicide crisis. If we are looking at root causes.

Look at this timeline:

USsuicidesriseafter2001.jpg

What happened in 2001 other than 9/11 and the labor pains of the current police state? The fruits of the seeds planted almost 30 years prior of China joining the WTO occurred.

-In 1972 Nixon's visit to China and the subsequent normalization of relations aka the "Opening of China" began laying the groundwork for China to open up to Western trade and investment.

-During the 1980s, Japan became a dominant player in global manufacturing especially in the automotive sector. American companies began looking abroad for cheaper means of production, and around the same time the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was negotiated which opened the door for cheaper labor to enter US supply chains, particularly from Mexico initially.

-In the 1990s while manufacturing began moving to places like Mexico, China's labor force remained significantly cheaper. American companies began to recognize the potential of Chinese labor which was far more cost-effective. It was devised to use China as a hub.

-China's entry into the WTO marked the official "event horizon" where U.S. manufacturers poured into China in large numbers. US companies flooded China with investments, taking advantage of cheap labor and relaxed regulatory frameworks. By 2008 the US was increasingly a consumer economy rather than a manufacturing one while China had solidified its place as the world’s factory floor.

The 2000s saw the acceleration of job outsourcing, moreover in manufacturing than anywhere else which left a significant portion of the working-class population unemployed or underemployed. This coincided with the rise of 'service-sector' jobs, low-wage dead-ends that offered little in the way of stability or opportunity. I know this because I experienced it.

First the Americans were spiritually severed, then economically displaced, and now they're being demographically replaced, all "part of the plan."
 
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Music, you miss the point entirely. I understand that China hates it's enemies and loves it's people. They aren't Christian, they are pagan, and do not ever show love to their enemies. It makes sense for them to sell drugs to their enemies but ban it from their people.

Thus the facts are they love their people and our government does not. Actions speak louder than words, and China will not let their youth become poisoned by drugs, faggotry, or other Talmudic subversion. America and Europe do nothing to protect their youth, because they do not care about the future of the people here.

There is no refuting these facts.
 
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the suicide rate in the US in 2020 was about 14.5 per 100,000 people. What I found more recently in 2022 was 14.2 per 100,000, down a tick but not by much.

In 2023, it was 49,300.

link: https://apnews.com/article/us-suicide-rate-cdc-c57bb0852adfb4d85b3670d465a8b890

Suicide Demographics (by Race and Gender in the US:

By Gender:
-Males
account for about 80% of all suicides in the U.S.
-The suicide rate for males is around four times higher than females.
-Common causes for male suicide are often associated with social isolation, financial pressures, and untreated mental health issues.

By Race/Ethnicity:
-Non-Hispanic White individuals
have a higher suicide rate compared to other racial groups (around 17.6 per 100,000).
-American Indian/Alaska Native (AI/AN) groups have the highest suicide rate at approximately 27.1 per 100,000.
-Hispanic suicide rate is lower (7.0 per 100,000).
-Black Americans tend to have a significantly lower suicide rate compared to Whites and AI/AN groups (7.6 per 100,000).
-Asian Americans have suicide rates around 8.0 per 100,000, with some variation by specific ethnic groups within the larger category.

Age Group:
-Older adults (ages 75 and older)
have the highest suicide rates among males. (lotta guys with nothing to live for)
-For females, the highest suicide rates are typically in the 45-64 age group.

China has historically had one of the highest suicide rates in the world, especially in rural areas although the rates have apparently been declining in recent years. According to the World Health Organization (as if they're one to trust), China's suicide rate peaked in the early 1990s, with over 23 suicides per 100,000 people. However, this has significantly dropped to about 9.7 suicides per 100,000 people by 2019. Unlike many Western countries where males have higher suicide rates China has observed higher suicide rates among females.

Links:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1170588/china-overall-suicide-rate/
https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/doi/10.46234/ccdcw2023.109

Some figures give anywhere between 8.1 to 9.7 per 100,000, far down from a much higher percentage decades ago.

By Gender:
-Males:
Generally, males have a higher suicide rate than females in China.
-Females: Females have a lower suicide rate compared to males, but the gender imbalance is much lower than in other countries

By Age Group:
-Children (5–14 years):
Between 2010 and 2021, there was a significant increase in suicide mortality among children aged 5–14 years, with an average annual percent change (AAPC) of 9.3%.
-Adolescents (15–24 years): Suicide mortality rates initially decreased between 2010 and 2017 but later increased from 2017 to 2021, with an AAPC of 19.6%.
-Adults (25–44 years): Significant declines in suicide mortality were observed in this age group, with an AAPC of −4.6%.
-Middle-aged Adults (45–64 years): A significant decline in suicide mortality was noted in this age group, with an AAPC of −4.1%.
-Older Adults (65 years and above): A significant decline in suicide mortality was observed in this age group, with an AAPC of −8.3%.

By Location:
-Urban Areas:
Suicide mortality rates in urban areas have decreased, with an AAPC of −4.1%.
-Rural Areas: Rural areas have also seen a decline in suicide mortality rates, with an AAPC of −5.7%.

If we compare both in total and per capita,

China (8.1 suicides per 100,000 people * 1.4 billion = 135,800 suicides roughly)
USA (14.5 suicides per 100,000 people * 330 million = 47,850 suicides roughly)

Per Capita:
The US has a significantly higher suicide rate per capita (14.5 per 100,000) than China (9.7 per 100,000).

Total Suicides:
China has more total suicides than the U.S. (approximately 114,000 vs. 47,850 in the U.S. in 2020).

Now before anyone jumps to any foregone conclusions lets wind the clocks back a few decades to when China's was the highest. This ties in to my last post:

China: Suicide Rates in the 1990s - 2000s

In the 1990s China had the highest suicide rate in the world peaking at 23 per 100,000 people (compared to global average of 11.6). The rate was much higher in rural areas particularly among women, reaching as high as 40 per 100,000 in some rural regions. This was largely due to economic hardship, lack of mental health resources, and mass dislocation as China transitioned to a market economy. Many rural citizens were still in extreme poverty, with few opportunities for 'upward mobility.' Over 200,000 suicides per year were occurring during this period.

U.S.: Suicide Rates 1990s - 2000s

In the US suicide rates began to rise around the 1990s but were far lower than China’s at the time. The rate was about 12 per 100,000 in 1990.
Specific Groups: The middle-aged working-class men were especially hard-hit by economic changes during this period, especially with the rise of deindustrialization and the loss of manufacturing jobs. This group saw significant increases in unemployment, drug usage, and suicides.

Comparing the two:

China in 1990s:
Suicides per 100,000: 23 (Peak, largely rural)
Total suicides per year: 100,000+

U.S. in 1990s
:
Suicides per 100,000: 12
Total suicides per year: 30,000 - 40,000

So what changed from then until now was China’s manufacturing boom and the rise of their economy significantly helped reduce the suicide rate particularly in urban areas. By 2010, China’s suicide rate had fallen to about 10 per 100,000. Conversely, America’s suicide rates started rising significantly in the 2010s due to deindustrialization, the collapse of the American Dream, and growing social isolation.

While China’s peak suicide rates were higher during its economic transition, they declined as China received greater manufacturing and foreign investment, leading to an economic uplift for many citizens. On the other hand, the US suicide rate has been rising over the past few decades exacerbated by the collapse of manufacturing a lack of social mobility for working-class Americans. Not to mention all the jewish pharmaceuticals and troon shit turning a lot of people's brains into melted sidewalk cheese. Economics is the primer for most of these though. It was the same in Weimar, crippling debt and hyperinflation on top of a completely demoralized nation infested with jewish degeneracy.

Also to note, the present-day level of suicides in America was not nearly as high as it was during the Great Depression, which bumped it up to 17.4 per 100,000 in a much smaller population (124mil to 330mil today), meaning if we take the year 1932 for example had 21,576 suicides of all White Americans compared to 2020's 47,850 suicides of many aliens and not just Whites. So effectively bad economics precedes moral degradation.

In essence China’s transition to a manufacturing economy improved its mental health, while the US' decline in manufacturing has contributed to its growing suicide crisis. If we are looking at root causes.

Look at this timeline:

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What happened in 2001 other than 9/11 and the labor pains of the current police state? The fruits of the seeds planted almost 30 years prior of China joining the WTO occurred.

-In 1972 Nixon's visit to China and the subsequent normalization of relations aka the "Opening of China" began laying the groundwork for China to open up to Western trade and investment.

-During the 1980s, Japan became a dominant player in global manufacturing especially in the automotive sector. American companies began looking abroad for cheaper means of production, and around the same time the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was negotiated which opened the door for cheaper labor to enter US supply chains, particularly from Mexico initially.

-In the 1990s while manufacturing began moving to places like Mexico, China's labor force remained significantly cheaper. American companies began to recognize the potential of Chinese labor which was far more cost-effective. It was devised to use China as a hub.

-China's entry into the WTO marked the official "event horizon" where U.S. manufacturers poured into China in large numbers. US companies flooded China with investments, taking advantage of cheap labor and relaxed regulatory frameworks. By 2008 the US was increasingly a consumer economy rather than a manufacturing one while China had solidified its place as the world’s factory floor.

The 2000s saw the acceleration of job outsourcing, moreover in manufacturing than anywhere else which left a significant portion of the working-class population unemployed or underemployed. This coincided with the rise of 'service-sector' jobs, low-wage dead-ends that offered little in the way of stability or opportunity. I know this because I experienced it.

First the Americans were spiritually severed, then economically displaced, and now they're being demographically replaced, all "part of the plan."

When comparing suicide stats, we must remember the racial difference component.

Asians suffer from depression disproportionately compared to other races because of their introverted nature. All Asian nations have, and have always had, higher suicide rates compared to other nations.

Blacks tend to be wrathful.
Whites tend to be proud.
Asians tend to despair.

These racial emotional dispositions go a long way towards understanding the flaws and shortcomings of every nation throughout history.
 


The DeepSeek episode will pop the AI bubble making the prior two Federal Reserve-inspired bubbles of 2000 and 2008 look like walks in the park. But on a deeper level, it tells us that the torch of creativity has passed from West to East. While we over-focused on money and distractions like 'how many genders?', DEI, and so-called green energy, while allowing our administrative regulatory burdens to accumulate to smothering levels, China decided to limit screentime for kids, promote achievements, and reward merit. The old saying that "China copied us" no longer applies.

China did not copy:
Thorium reactor
DeepSeek
Orbiting quantum satellite
Hypersonic missiles
Smashing the fusion plasma state record

This is a solemn moment in time. Can the West come back, or will it continue to pretend it's the best while ignoring the signs that it really isn't? I'm a fan of competition - it makes everyone better - but it really can backfire if one participant falsely believes they have an indestructible lead. It feels like China is digital photography and the US and Europe are Xerox.

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The DeepSeek episode will pop the AI bubble making the prior two Federal Reserve-inspired bubbles of 2000 and 2008 look like walks in the park. But on a deeper level, it tells us that the torch of creativity has passed from West to East. While we over-focused on money and distractions like 'how many genders?', DEI, and so-called green energy, while allowing our administrative regulatory burdens to accumulate to smothering levels, China decided to limit screentime for kids, promote achievements, and reward merit. The old saying that "China copied us" no longer applies.

China did not copy:
Thorium reactor
DeepSeek
Orbiting quantum satellite
Hypersonic missiles
Smashing the fusion plasma state record

This is a solemn moment in time. Can the West come back, or will it continue to pretend it's the best while ignoring the signs that it really isn't? I'm a fan of competition - it makes everyone better - but it really can backfire if one participant falsely believes they have an indestructible lead. It feels like China is digital photography and the US and Europe are Xerox.

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Well, I guess it's all over now. China has hit us with a Mortal Combat style finishing move.
 


The DeepSeek episode will pop the AI bubble making the prior two Federal Reserve-inspired bubbles of 2000 and 2008 look like walks in the park. But on a deeper level, it tells us that the torch of creativity has passed from West to East. While we over-focused on money and distractions like 'how many genders?', DEI, and so-called green energy, while allowing our administrative regulatory burdens to accumulate to smothering levels, China decided to limit screentime for kids, promote achievements, and reward merit. The old saying that "China copied us" no longer applies.

China did not copy:
Thorium reactor
DeepSeek
Orbiting quantum satellite
Hypersonic missiles
Smashing the fusion plasma state record

This is a solemn moment in time. Can the West come back, or will it continue to pretend it's the best while ignoring the signs that it really isn't? I'm a fan of competition - it makes everyone better - but it really can backfire if one participant falsely believes they have an indestructible lead. It feels like China is digital photography and the US and Europe are Xerox.

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What is significant about DeepSeek is that it only required less than 10m USD investment to make. Not only that its open source so ANYONE can take the framework and re-create it themselves within their own infrastructure. So the entire world will benefit.

Also impressive is that the entire DeepSeek team is home grown and were only educated in Chinese Universities. No H1B Indians were needed.

OpenAI on the other hand is closed source, attempted by the US Gov to moat it and demanded massive billion dollar investments and is one of the defining narratives for the bull market for the indices. Why did it need that much money when a barely a fraction was needed to create DeepSeek?

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The other big wins for China just this year that Mortenson did not cover are their rapid domination of the battery/EV industry, which is crippling several major auto companies like VW or Nissan, and their release of two 6th generation stealth fighters, while the NGAD was set back by the fact that the announced cost per plane has gone up to $300 million per unit (which means that the actual cost could balloon to nearly half a billion per unit). China will probably build their J-36 equivalent for less than $100 million per plane.
 
Warning - potty mouth



^Home ownership in China is closer to 95%. Part of the reason is that they don't have property tax, so they are actually more respectful than in the West when it comes to property rights. In the US and Canada, a lot of people end up losing their homes because they can no longer pay property taxes, and for apt dwellers condo fees are high.

College, healthcare in Europe is even cheaper than in China (mostly free), but it comes at a much higher cost in income and sales tax. China has the lowest tax burden of any industrialized country.

It's almost as if China is run by competent leadership that actually cares about its citizens, the exact opposite of what you might expect from a bankster-run nation...
 
This is an interesting topic, but a deep one.

Yes, China's zero-tolerance policy on drugs within its borders does seem to reflect a government that, at least in this surface-level respect, prioritizes the well-being of its own citizens. Executing drug dealers and maintaining a visible absence of addicts in public spaces is an effective way to curb the immediate societal harm that drugs cause.

However it’s impossible to overlook China’s complicity in the global drug trade especially in the fentanyl crisis that’s devastating the West.

China’s government enforces stability, but this is not altruistic love, it’s a calculated strategy to maintain control over its population and project an image of order. Their actions prioritize the survival of the regime not necessarily the well-being of individuals, and their role in the fentanyl crisis globally undermines any claim of moral high ground on their part.



The drug death metric reflects enforcement, not morality. China cracks down harshly on domestic drug issues and executes drug dealers while turning a blind eye to the massive export of fentanyl precursors to Mexican cartels fueling addiction in the West. These chemicals are a necessary component for synthesizing fentanyl which is then smuggled into the US and other Western nations. Chinese chemical manufacturers know full well how their products are being used and the Chinese government cannot claim ignorance. This isn't just negligence, it's profit-driven complicity. Their streets may be clean, but the poison they enable abroad speaks volumes about their disregard for lives outside their borders.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/...anufacturing-companies-and-employees-indicted

The DEA is a highly corrupt organization, but they do know how to trace their synthetics well. Their offices are also internationally like many other US federal agencies so they don't just deal with what they find coming up the US border. Virtually all of the precursors are made in Chinese that end up in dead Americans. This is a bipartisan website here that focuses on the results of these laboratory findings:

https://selectcommitteeontheccp.hou...s-ccps-role-american-fentanyl-epidemic-report



The common denominator in these threads for most of us is to seek fault and guilt and therefore the object of blame, but it is never that simple these days.

Western corruption and political failures absolutely play a role in the drug crisis, but blaming only the US ignores how Mexican cartels profit from Chinese precursor chemicals and how the CCP profits economically and strategically from this cycle of destruction.

The production and export of fentanyl precursors are not a small-scale rogue operation but a significant and highly organized industry that benefits from access to advanced chemical manufacturing infrastructure, international shipping networks, and global trade routes. For such a large-scale operation to continue functioning, it’s implausible that the Chinese government known for its extensive surveillance and strict regulatory oversight not to be aware of its activities and production levels.

The CCP views the fentanyl crisis as a form of asymmetric warfare against the West. By enabling the flow of fentanyl precursors, China profits economically while indirectly undermining Western nations with fueling addiction, societal collapse, and public health crises. This method aligns with it's goals of weakening perceived rivals like the US without direct military conflict. We're killing ourselves just not fast enough for them.


China’s control over drugs domestically doesn’t place them on higher moral ground it just highlights their selective enforcement. They prioritize internal stability while exporting chaos to weaken their geopolitical rivals, proving this is not about morality but strategy.

The entire assembly line of the global drug trade has blood on its hands, from the Chinese chemical manufacturers to the Mexican cartels, corrupt Mexican/US border officials, and yes especially Western governments that fail to at securing borders, and who also refuse to resolve addiction crises. We can thank the (((Sacklers))) for most of this behavior being permitted, among many others who will never be inconvenienced with a courthouse.



While Xi’s government curbs domestic drug use it enables the fentanyl crisis abroad which shows that their 'nationalism' is self-serving and weaponized against the West rather than focused on universal ethics. I don't know any European nationalists who advocate pouring drugs into their enemies country, it is not considered honorable. Perhaps this is the Manchurian revenge for the Opium wars. Guys like It_Is_My_Time and Cooper think China will squash us in the future when we are completely broken, but all of this behavior shows it to be more like payback for their "Century of Humiliation."

Think about it, the West (really just the jews forcing England) once used drugs to destabilize China, and now China is supplying the means for a similar crisis in the West (getting the Brits back but really hurting America more). While the motivations may differ, ie profit versus imperialist dominance, the parallels are undeniable. It is a cyclical dynamic of exploitation and retaliation.

I have no doubt this would still happen even if Xi was not in charge, it's a racial grudge, but they fail to see the architects of those wars as they wouldn't allow Rothschild and Sassoon advisors and controllers in dozens of their financial institutions to this very day if they knew better.

The Rothchild-Sassoon connection that is still present in China gives this situation a secondary angle, but one would have to refute the idea that there are independent nations first. The Opium Wars show how financial and mercantile elites could leverage national armies and policies to achieve their ends often against the interests of the very nations they "represented." The same pattern can be observed today where transnational elites profit from the destabilization of nations through drugs, debt, and cultural subversion.

In this context both the opium trade of the 19th century and the fentanyl crisis today are strategies for weakening societies to consolidate power globally. The suffering of nations whether China in the 19th century or the West today is a byproduct, not the primary goal. In this instance this is less a case of two nations "getting back at each other" across centuries and more a continuation of a system where talmudic elites manipulate nations for their own ends.

The whole "George Soros wants Xi out" is theater. Soros is an agent provocateur who is proving himself less worthy to the cabal by the day. The fact that most of his shadiness is public knowledge is a red flag to focus on him as the sole mouthpiece for the New World Order. He is dangerous like his murderous Clinton agents, but with or without him their agenda proceeds. The "Shanghai clique being outed in 2012" that Cooper keeps bringing up are not the people who are still controlling and advising the boards of the most strategic and effective financial institutions in China (The Bank of China, The Bank of Qingdao, Querces Ventures, the Chinese Creat Group, CIIC (Group) Company (Chinese: 中实(集团)公司), CEFC China Energy, Auster Capital, China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), China Netcom, Volvo, Pirelli, China Chengtong Holdings Group, and Alibaba Group) as of January 27th 2025. The suggestion that Xi is an anti-globalist nationalist fighting against international elites doesn’t hold up when examining China’s deep, ongoing, and growing financial entanglements with global capital.

Xi Jinping is rhetorically a nationalist, but economically and ideologically a globalist. Whatever makes the people work harder works for him. China has been built the way it is for a purpose, which is not to "secure the existence of it's peoples and a future for Chinese children". If pseudo-nationalism keeps production going then the state will employ it to optimize production levels. If it ends up not doing it, what can be given so easily can also be easily taken away, and the old Maoist communist spirit will revive itself once more.

I do recall you telling me once that jews fight amongst themselves just like anyone else, though the causes are rarer, well the same is true for all globalist enforcers who operate with impunity. Both Soros and Xi have tremendous power in their own spheres of influence. I do believe we will see Xi outlast Soros but that won't stop the agenda from continuing either.



Drugs are indeed a political decision, but the global drug trade is driven by shared culpability: Western demand, cartel trafficking, and Chinese supply of precursors. Each player profits from this destruction and China’s hands are far from clean in this generational war of subversion and exploitation.

@Get2choppaaa I would like your thoughts on this subject when you have time. This tactic is essentially called asymmetric warfare, non-military means to undermine an opponent.

"By deception thou shalt wage warfare" applies to all powers here. Both the West and the East wage a foul game of subversive warfare: the West undermines through degenerative ideologies, "color" revolutions, and exporting consumerism and "progress" that erodes traditions and hollows out societies, while the East exploits these fractures by fueling addiction, dependency, and economic subjugation, turning the West’s decadence into a weapon against itself. Each side preys on the other's weaknesses, engaging in a mutual assault of symbiotic antagonism that corrodes national foundations and perpetuates global instability. Who benefits from all of this?

All are guilty in the present day, what we each have is a matter of perspective of seeing the worst of one but not of the other. Few have seen both.

Addendum and deeper analysis:

Ultimately the Chinese people are presently benefitting from a more stable society at the expense of and to the detriment of the people in the west. The inverse of this was not true of America's golden age, though it could be said that the British officers in the 1850s certainly did receive some temporary perks for their drug stampede, enough to keep English goyim complacent and clueless of the greater agenda.

Institutions like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Rothschild bankers facilitated the offshoring of American industry to China turning the country into the "world’s factory." These sellouts didn’t just hollow out American manufacturing but gave China the technological and industrial tools it needed to become a global superpower. China’s economic ascension wasn’t born from ingenuity but from access to Western innovation, infrastructure investment, and markets. Western corporations not only outsourced manufacturing but also transferred proprietary technologies, giving China the keys to industries they couldn’t have developed independently at the same speed. This external "trade" has been the critical driver of its economic rise.

The golden age of American prosperity characterized by a strong middle class, robust domestic manufacturing, and high economic mobility was intentionally dismantled in favor of globalization. We all know the result with millions of jobs lost as factories closed, leaving entire communities in economic ruin, a rising dependence on cheap foreign goods creating a trade imbalance that weakened American self-reliance, and the erosion of national identity as corporate greed superseded loyalty to one’s country. During those decades it was almost entirely domestic production and innovation which fueled growth allowing the nation to build a middle class and establish economic dominance on its own terms. It was the spirit of entrepreneurship that turned a young republic into an eventual global powerhouse.

With China what we have is a country that appears to have its act together. Even with the rednote revelations there is still a lot of selective exposure going on, and for all that is better there than the West, the starry-eyed Americans and Europeans don't have a clue why it all "looks so good" and they're stuck with garbage people and policies everywhere.

How many of the pro-China people here would abandon everything in the West and go live in China? None of them will. You won't, Cooper won't, even if I was hypothetically paid handsomely to shut my mouth and stop criticizing everyone everywhere and live like a king there, I would not.

We intrinsically want our own lands to repent and build themselves up again. Innately, no matter how much we hate the West, something in you that no propaganda can remove knows that this is your home that your ancestors carved out of a dreadful, uncaring, merciless, unforgiving world, and our ingenuity has allowed every other race to enjoy that without having to struggle to attain it. We were all deceived. Dispensationalism and zionism and the fomentation of the world wars in conjunction with the destruction of all monarchies and their replacement with the twin deathstyles of capitalism and communism gave us this, and our spirits faltered.

Haggai 1:6: "You have planted much, but harvested little. You eat, but never have enough. You drink, but never have your fill. You put on clothes, but are not warm. You earn wages, only to put them in a purse with holes in it."

Jeremiah 5:19: "And when the people ask, ‘Why has the Lord our God done all this to us?’ you will tell them, ‘As you have forsaken me and served foreign gods in your own land, so now you will serve foreigners in a land not your own.’"

The modern prosperity enjoyed by Chinese citizens is inseparable from the suffering and sacrifice of the West which allowed itself to be gutted by greed-driven elites who traded national stability and sovereignty for short-term profits. China’s rise may be impressive on the surface but it is less a testament to self-made greatness and more to a byproduct of Western industries, technologies, and economies being offshored, leaving behind hollowed-out communities and addiction epidemics. The fentanyl crisis and the exploitation of Western decadence are not acts of genius or moral superiority, they are calculated forms of warfare parasitically feeding off the very systems that once empowered the West, exposing a world where one nation's gains are built on the calculated erosion of another's foundations.

These days it's either a bad time for everyone, or whoever is having a good time is doing so at another's loss. But it will not be this way forever.

Joel 2:25-26: "I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten; the great locust and the young locust, the other locusts and the locust swarm; my great army that I sent among you. You will have plenty to eat, until you are full, and you will praise the name of the Lord your God, who has worked wonders for you; never again will my people be shamed."
So I agree that China is using Fentanyl the same way the British used opium against the Chinese population.

They also use Mercantilism in the extraction of resources from other countries in the world.

I think you did good analysis on the money interest with why they were given favored nations status.

I don't have time currently for a full write up on The China situation... But I do not see their government as nearly as stable as some think. A lot of my understanding is from Miles Guo and the Bannon reporting on the subject coupled with analysis on Demographics by Mark Steyn.

The economic warfare they've waged against use can only be countered with Tarrifs which I commend Trump for....but really Peter Navarro is the mastermind on all that.
 
So I agree that China is using Fentanyl the same way the British used opium against the Chinese population.

They also use Mercantilism in the extraction of resources from other countries in the world.

I think you did good analysis on the money interest with why they were given favored nations status.

I don't have time currently for a full write up on The China situation... But I do not see their government as nearly as stable as some think. A lot of my understanding is from Miles Guo and the Bannon reporting on the subject coupled with analysis on Demographics by Mark Steyn.

The economic warfare they've waged against use can only be countered with Tarrifs which I commend Trump for....but really Peter Navarro is the mastermind on all that.

When the British used Opium against the Chinese, the Qing Dynasty did everything they could to stop or slow down the flow of opium including going up against an Empire that was way more technologically advanced through 2 wars. That's how we have Hong Kong as a British coloney and the Century of Humiliation. It took a lot for KMT and then the CPC to eventually overcome their society addiction. (https://pplsartofwar.substack.com/p/the-war-on-opium).

Now, US is on the other hand - they have the political will to tariffs Chinese EVs, attempt to preserve their AI supremacy through banning the export of GPU, and such. So we know they have the political tools to ban fentanyl as they have done with other Chinese products.

Why don't they ban imports of these? It's not like there are Chinese ships parked at the ports to force them to trade it like the British did. As Samseau mentioned, the US Gov't is doing nothing to protect your society so a comparison to what the British did to the Qing Dynasty is weak as the Qing at least tried to resist against a bigger opponent forcing opium on their society. In fact, you could say the Healthcare Industry is profiting as the middle man here.

Its also funny that you mention Miles Guo because he helped orchestrated the Hong Kong Protests I mentioned a few pages back. I always had a personal theory that the Deep State had put him in prison on trumped up charges to punish him for getting caught coordinating the protests on livestream and ultimately embarrassing the CIA for the failed color revolution attempt on Hong Kong.



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There is no refutation of how bad the west sucks on many metrics, but everything the Chinese benefit from is at our expense.

The DeepSeek episode will pop the AI bubble making the prior two Federal Reserve-inspired bubbles of 2000 and 2008 look like walks in the park. But on a deeper level, it tells us that the torch of creativity has passed from West to East. While we over-focused on money and distractions like 'how many genders?', DEI, and so-called green energy, while allowing our administrative regulatory burdens to accumulate to smothering levels, China decided to limit screentime for kids, promote achievements, and reward merit. The old saying that "China copied us" no longer applies.

First of all, the “torch of creativity” never passed to China, it was sold to them by the traitors pretending to lead the West, most notably the US. China’s meteoric rise is a result of the West’s offshoring of manufacturing and the transfer of intellectual property which China subsequently exploited through state-sponsored capital. China has been built on the backs of US industry and innovation, do you think China could have created its "AI bubble" without billions of dollars in foreign investment particularly from companies like Google, Intel, and Tesla? China thrives because it’s been integrated into the global economic system built by the West.

I have no doubt they are taking what the west made and using it against them, but let's look at each one of your claims of things they apparently "didn't copy."

China did not copy:
Thorium reactor
Wrong.

The initial concept of thorium reactors traces back to the United States in the 1960s with the development of the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) under the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), led by American scientists like Alvin Weinberg (a juden), who is often regarded as the father of the thorium reactor concept. His team at ORNL in Tennessee worked extensively on the Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) concept, where thorium was used as a potential fuel instead of uranium. This jew gets all the credit but it was more likely nepotism that labeled him with this. Men like this were the actual brains behind the development of thorium reactors:

John H Williams - American Physicist
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/john-h-williams/

China's thorium reactor program at Tsinghua University was modeled after earlier concepts developed in the West and has relied on foreign designs and Western concepts in the field. One of the most publicized projects is China’s thorium-based molten salt reactor that uses liquid fluoride thorium reactors (LFTR), which are also based on US-developed designs from the 1960s.

Thorium reactors are still experimental to this day and while China has an interest in them they are decades away from widespread implementation. The US and other Western nations have been developing safe nuclear power technologies such as the advanced small modular reactors that are far closer to market and adoption, the problem exists with certain lobbies and their shadow war to keep energy from being totally free.

So even here, China’s nuclear program is still heavily reliant on Western designs and technology.

Wrong again.

DeepSeek was built on a series of Nvidia H800 chipsets from America. This is a prime example of China’s ongoing reliance on Western technology to develop its own AI systems, and this doesn't negate the copying aspect that is so common in China’s technological progress. Deepseek therefore used a Western-designed technology for its systems and was essentially copied.

Strange they would need western chips to outdo the west while China is now home to some of the world’s largest semiconductor manufacturers, such as SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation). It's not just the hardware, but also the software.

DeepSeek's AI models are built upon existing architectures and methodologies developed by Western institutions. The foundational principles of deep learning and neural networks, upon which DeepSeek's models are based, were pioneered by researchers in the US and Europe like Geoffrey Hinton almost 20 years ago.

Geoffrey Hinton, “A Fast Learning Algorithm for Deep Belief Nets” (2006)
link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7017915_A_Fast_Learning_Algorithm_for_Deep_Belief_Nets

Going back even before this, the backpropagation algorithm, fundamental to neural networks, was formalized by Paul Werbos (USA) in the 1970s though it was largely ignored until 1986 when David Rumelhart, Geoffrey Hinton, and Ronald J. Williams published a well-known paper on it.

David E. Rumelhart, Geoffrey E. Hinton, Ronald J. Williams, "Learning representations by backpropagating errors," Nature, 1986
link: https://www.nature.com/articles/323533a0

Even the Convolutional Neural Networks (CNNs) which are widely used in AI applications like image recognition are also built upon the foundational research from Western institutions. The breakthrough for CNNs came with Yann LeCun’s work in the late 1980s and early 1990s. LeCun’s LeNet architecture for digit recognition is a milestone in the development of deep learning.

Yann LeCun, "Gradient-Based Learning Applied to Document Recognition," Proceedings of the IEEE, 1998.
link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/726791

You don't work in tech or engineering so I'll cut you some slack on this.

Orbiting quantum satellite

This was a PR stunt. All of these space agencies are masonic and fake, no matter what country they're in.

Much of "quantum" is a jewish scam. It is heavily theoretical and abstract, the kind of grift that spiteful jewish academians gravitate towards. Just look at the fraud who allegedly founded it, Einstein. He was the plagiarist of the century. French physicist Henri Poincare developed the theory of relativity a year before Einstein claimed credit for it.

Einstein like Freud and many others of the tribe who were propped up by their brethren were instrumental in the fragmenting of reality and how we viewed life, our beliefs, ideals, culture, in order to destroy the foundations of understanding. To see life skewed through the lense of jewish subversion, look no further than this hogwash.

As for quantum research, these western scientists pioneered research in its use for technology and communicative modalities:

-John Bell's work on Bell's Theorem in the 1960s.
-Charles Bennett, an American physicist who alongside Gilles Brassard developed the BB84 protocol for quantum key distribution (QKD), which is one of the most widely used protocols for secure quantum communication in 1984.
-David Deutsch, a British physicist and pioneer in quantum computing was one of the creators of the concept of a quantum Turing machine and was instrumental in developing ideas that would influence quantum communication systems.
-Artur Ekert, another British physicist who invented the E91 quantum key distribution protocol based on quantum entanglement. This method is often used for secure communications, including what China used in its quantum satellite.
-Rainer Blatt and David Wineland who won the jewish nobel prize for their work on quantum systems and quantum entanglement
-Alain Aspect, a French physicist whose Bell test experiments demonstrated the violation of Bell’s inequalities, supporting quantum entanglement.
-Anton Zeilinger experiments with quantum teleportation helped establish the basis for future quantum communication technologies.

China did not create the core principles of quantum key distribution, quantum entanglement, or quantum teleportation; these were all products of decades of Western research, if not a century of it. Also they did not invent satellite technology.

-The telemetry systems used to communicate with the satellite and relay data back to Earth are based on technologies established in Western satellite communications. The US and Europe have been pioneers in developing high-precision telemetry and control systems for satellite operations for decades, and before anyone else.

-The Micius satellite itself, including the basic satellite chassis and model, was largely based on Western technology and infrastructure. For instance, China relied on established methods of satellite development such as the same basic orbital mechanics and satellite propulsion systems that were used in U.S. and European space programs.

-The Micius satellite was launched aboard a Chinese Long March 2D rocket, a technology with heavy influence from Soviet-era technology, which in turn was based on earlier Western developments and advancements. Layers of thievery.

Hypersonic missiles
More wrong.

The U.S. and Russia have led the development of hypersonic missile technology for decades. The DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in the U.S. has been working on hypersonic missile development since the 1980s. The X-15 rocket plane (which flew at Mach 6.7) and NASA’s X-43 (which reached Mach 9.6) are proof that the U.S. has been the global leader in hypersonic flight for a long time.

Russia has had considerable success with hypersonic missiles like the Avangard missile system which was successfully tested in 2018. This missile system is capable of speeds of Mach 27 (approximately 20,000 miles per hour). China’s hypersonic technology thus represents a more recent effort to "catch up" and not a pioneering leap.

The 2008 espionage of U.S. missile technology resulted in China acquiring information that helped them advance their own missile programs. This includes missile guidance systems and re-entry vehicle designs that were incorporated into their DF-21 and DF-17 missiles—both of which are considered hypersonic-capable systems. Not to mention their numerous spy rings in the 1990s.

The DF-17 hypersonic missile is often cited as an example of this process. While it was initially thought to be a major breakthrough for China, analysts later found that it was based on earlier Russian models and designs, and US missile research.

The DF-17 missile, which was developed by China’s PLARF (People's Liberation Army Rocket Force) is powered by a Waverider-style glide vehicle, that is a conceptual build on the U.S. DARPA's Hypersonic Test Vehicle (HTV-2), which was tested in the 2000s. The DF-17 also shares technical similarities with the Russian “Yugoslavia” and “Avangard” systems, both of which were in development earlier than China’s system.
The U.S. Navy’s X-51A Waverider (tested by the U.S. Air Force in 2010) is a scramjet-powered hypersonic test vehicle that also provided China with insight into advanced scramjet technology used in their current hypersonic program.

The Chinese are capable of "copy and improve" at best. They are merely borrowers and adopters of ideas.

Smashing the fusion plasma state record
First you put this under "China did not copy:" when it clearly is a copied subset.

You're looking at the wrong metric.

China's EAST (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak) had a record duration in 2021 of holding plasma for 1,056 seconds, a significant achievement in terms of plasma duration, however this was not a world record as it was only a few seconds longer than South Korea’s K-STAR reactor's 2020 record. EAST's success in plasma confinement is a merely a milestone but it has not yet achieved net positive energy output, which is the major goal in fusion research

The US National Ignition Facility (NIF)’s achievement of net positive energy in 2021 shows that energy gain is now feasible, while EAST has not yet demonstrated this. This is the true breakthrough in fusion research.

It is still far behind the West in terms of practical, scalable fusion energy. The ITER project in Europe, a collaborative effort that includes the U.S., EU, and other nations, is the real leader in fusion energy. ITER has already achieved milestones in fusion research that China hasn’t reached yet. China’s progress in fusion energy is a drop in the ocean compared to the work that’s been done in the West for the last 60 years.

Fusion plasma research is also not an isolated or proprietary field of study for any one nation, particularly China. The global pursuit of controlled nuclear fusion has involved decades of research across many countries, including the United States, Russia, the European Union, and Japan. The fusion plasma state, the key to nuclear fusion, has been an ongoing challenge tackled by scientists worldwide, and much of China’s progress has been in collaboration with or based on technologies developed by these countries.

The key design behind much of the world’s fusion reactors including China's is the Tokamak design which originated in the Soviet Union in the 1950s (who used German intellectual slave labor to build among other stolen knowledge from the west). The Tokamak has been the workhorse of fusion research. The ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) project in France, a multi-nation collaborative effort that includes China, was initially proposed by Soviet scientists in the 1950s and has continued as a joint project between Europe, Russia, the United States, and other countries.

This is a solemn moment in time. Can the West come back, or will it continue to pretend it's the best while ignoring the signs that it really isn't? I'm a fan of competition - it makes everyone better - but it really can backfire if one participant falsely believes they have an indestructible lead. It feels like China is digital photography and the US and Europe are Xerox.

The West is not simply "pretending it's the best," it still leads the world in foundational sectors like technological innovation, scientific discovery, and military capabilities all of which have a profound influence on global standards. China in its rapid development has benefited from state-driven policy, foreign technology transfer, and globalist strategies that were implemented by Western elites including intellectual property theft, and industrial espionage.

Screw the jews and every other non-white thief out there. There is a lot of hubris in the west, but that will be gone when the parasites are gone. When Whites are in control of their own society without the burden of the jewry, there is absolutely no comparison. If it wasn't for the advancements made during German National Socialism or that was extracted from the minds of the survivors, none of these primates would be playing with universal forces they could never create in the first place.

The other big wins for China just this year that Mortenson did not cover are their rapid domination of the battery/EV industry, which is crippling several major auto companies like VW or Nissan,

China’s growth in this sector has been largely enabled by its access to critical materials (like lithium and cobalt), much of which comes from overseas sources and is tied to supply chains that China does not control. In fact, China’s battery production relies on key technologies developed by Western firms, including Tesla’s gigafactories and Western-designed battery chemistries. The true innovation and long-term sustainability in the EV sector will come from newer technologies including solid-state batteries and energy storage systems which are being pioneered by American, European, and Japanese firms.

China’s EV companies like BYD and NIO may currently outpace traditional car companies in sales volume, but their quality and innovation still lag behind Western automakers. The long-term profitability and market leadership in the EV sector will depend on technology, consumer trust, and the ability to scale and maintain a competitive edge, which is where China will struggle to keep up.

and their release of two 6th generation stealth fighters, while the NGAD was set back by the fact that the announced cost per plane has gone up to $300 million per unit (which means that the actual cost could balloon to nearly half a billion per unit). China will probably build their J-36 equivalent for less than $100 million per plane.

First China's stealth fighter development like many of their military technologies has been heavily influenced by espionage and reverse engineering of US and Russian designs.

The J-20, which is not a true 6th generation fighter, it’s still heavily based on 5th generation principles. The J-20 has limitations in terms of range, payload, and avionics, all of which are critical factors in modern combat. China’s stealth aircraft still fall short of US 5th generation fighters like the F-22, which are superior in terms of avionics, sensor fusion, and networking capabilities.

For China to produce these fighters for under $100 million per unit is unrealistic. China’s aviation industry may be efficient but the cost of developing and producing cutting-edge stealth fighters is extremely high with research, materials, and testing alone costing billionss.

Home ownership in China is closer to 95%. Part of the reason is that they don't have property tax, so they are actually more respectful than in the West when it comes to property rights. In the US and Canada, a lot of people end up losing their homes because they can no longer pay property taxes, and for apt dwellers condo fees are high.

In China property rights are heavily controlled by the state, homes may be "owned", but the land is not "owned" by individuals it is owned by the state, and the state can reclaim property at any time, essentially rendering "ownership" more illusory than in many Western nations with jew taxes. Chinese property owners are essentially leasing the land from the state, which keeps control over how it is used, and any real estate development is tightly regulated by the government.

So your analysis is once again surface level. Homeownership is prevalent in China but it operates under a system where land remains under state control. Homeowners face potential government expropriation, even though they are entitled to compensation, but this has lead to disputes. The balance between development and individual rights has not been perfected there.

College, healthcare in Europe is even cheaper than in China (mostly free), but it comes at a much higher cost in income and sales tax. China has the lowest tax burden of any industrialized country.

In a normal world all of this would be free everywhere, and the rigidity of difficult study would keep out the idiots who can't learn. The lack of a global pharmaceutical massacring machine would allow regional natural healers to flourish instead of Rockefeller AMA-approved knife addicts and pill dispensers. The entire idea of "healthcare" and "college" needs to be reset back to square one everywhere. If the Chinese start doing away with these frameworks and models entirely, then I may give them a few claps.

It's almost as if China is run by competent leadership that actually cares about its citizens, the exact opposite of what you might expect from a bankster-run nation...

The jews don't hate the Chinese as much as they hate Whites, Americans and Europeans both. They don't care to sabotage a bunch of yellow mongrels as they do to put most of their efforts into destroying the Aryan race. You think this ideological agitprop but they literally promote this out of every one of their diseased enterprises.

You're so demoralized by the rot around you that you can't see the glorious past before the time of jew-control for how it was.

All this rooting for China because people don't have the balls to go and get bloody with their degenerate tyrants is such cuckoldry. China is and will be central for the new world order. It is set to be the leading role in the "fourth industrial revolution" and one little disagreeing globalist faction between portions of the CCP is not going to stop a plot that is thousands of years old.

The digital prison that is already set up in China can and is about to be erected in the US are essential for the antichrist vision of the fusion of biological, technical, and digital realities. Don't take my word for it, that's from the elites mouths themselves.

All you shills do is deflect, deflect deflect. "Muh west sucks, muh druggies everywehere, muh taxes, muh leaders don't care about me." Such low-T defeatism. We're all already thought criminals, what's stopping anyone here from operating outside the system? Take it one step further and put your money where your mouth is. Yes the west is corrupt and degenerate, but you are using this obvious factoid as a smear campaign to revel in your lying Sinophilia.

You never talk about this Cooper, aren't you against transhumanism, aren't you against constant monitoring, no privacy? You want your face to be constantly plastered to a Sharp Eyes system monitor? Aren't you against the mark of the beast system? You are literally cheering for an antichrist component. That's the whole point of it, to goad simple-minded Christians and materialists into being duped. If the US collapsed, you would go to China and one of their rapid-response teams would deploy to your apartment or your housing block and stick you with whatever poison comes up in the next plandemic, and then they would microwave you to death like we saw all those random Chinese people dying during the whole scheme.

"Chinese Vax Death Megacompilation #1"


Do you think the rest of us have collective amnesia about what China was doing to it's own people during the covid scamdemic? How many videos of people confined in their homes committing suicide and starving do I need to put up here? They started the world on this Event 201 medical tyranny shit that western globalists had to artificially pump to no end in their own countries. The Chinese willingly put diapers on their faces and let themselves be herded and corralled like slaves.

Here is jew Klaus Schwab once again in a clip from a few months ago talking about how China is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing:

"China Has to Play, What I Call, and Is Playing a Responsible and Responsive Role in This New Global Setting"


He directly says how China is cooperating with him based on their idea for a "shared global future". Keep listening to west-east shills or you all can open your minds and see that it's basically warriors of God and truth versus the entire world, just as it was written.

And look, you want to go out with your Chinese girl for an ice cream, don't mind the system pig getting in your face to scan your biometrics to see if you are a "threat to the government":


I've exposed so much of your blind praise for China as being nothing more than a combination of sinophilic hopium, covering up intellectual theft with disingenuous claims of Chinese innovation, and a doofus mentality that only the West has faults when it clearly doesn't. Even Anglin, who is an obvious Duganist Zigger and China-lover doesn't shill this hard for them.
 
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There is no refutation of how bad the west sucks on many metrics, but everything the Chinese benefit from is at our expense.



First of all, the “torch of creativity” never passed to China, it was sold to them by the traitors pretending to lead the West, most notably the US. China’s meteoric rise is a result of the West’s offshoring of manufacturing and the transfer of intellectual property which China subsequently exploited through state-sponsored capital. China has been built on the backs of US industry and innovation, do you think China could have created its "AI bubble" without billions of dollars in foreign investment particularly from companies like Google, Intel, and Tesla? China thrives because it’s been integrated into the global economic system built by the West.

I have no doubt they are taking what the west made and using it against them, but let's look at each one of your claims of things they apparently "didn't copy."


Wrong.

The initial concept of thorium reactors traces back to the United States in the 1960s with the development of the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) under the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), led by American scientists like Alvin Weinberg (a juden), who is often regarded as the father of the thorium reactor concept. His team at ORNL in Tennessee worked extensively on the Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) concept, where thorium was used as a potential fuel instead of uranium. This jew gets all the credit but it was more likely nepotism that labeled him with this. Men like this were the actual brains behind the development of thorium reactors:

John H Williams - American Physicist
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/john-h-williams/

China's thorium reactor program at Tsinghua University was modeled after earlier concepts developed in the West and has relied on foreign designs and Western concepts in the field. One of the most publicized projects is China’s thorium-based molten salt reactor that uses liquid fluoride thorium reactors (LFTR), which are also based on US-developed designs from the 1960s.

Thorium reactors are still experimental to this day and while China has an interest in them they are decades away from widespread implementation. The US and other Western nations have been developing safe nuclear power technologies such as the advanced small modular reactors that are far closer to market and adoption, the problem exists with certain lobbies and their shadow war to keep energy from being totally free.

So even here, China’s nuclear program is still heavily reliant on Western designs and technology.


Wrong again.

DeepSeek was built on a series of Nvidia H800 chipsets from America. This is a prime example of China’s ongoing reliance on Western technology to develop its own AI systems, and this doesn't negate the copying aspect that is so common in China’s technological progress. Deepseek therefore used a Western-designed technology for its systems and was essentially copied.

Strange they would need western chips to outdo the west while China is now home to some of the world’s largest semiconductor manufacturers, such as SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation). It's not just the hardware, but also the software.

DeepSeek's AI models are built upon existing architectures and methodologies developed by Western institutions. The foundational principles of deep learning and neural networks, upon which DeepSeek's models are based, were pioneered by researchers in the US and Europe like Geoffrey Hinton almost 20 years ago.

Geoffrey Hinton, “A Fast Learning Algorithm for Deep Belief Nets” (2006)
link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7017915_A_Fast_Learning_Algorithm_for_Deep_Belief_Nets

Going back even before this, the backpropagation algorithm, fundamental to neural networks, was formalized by Paul Werbos (USA) in the 1970s though it was largely ignored until 1986 when David Rumelhart, Geoffrey Hinton, and Ronald J. Williams published a well-known paper on it.

David E. Rumelhart, Geoffrey E. Hinton, Ronald J. Williams, "Learning representations by backpropagating errors," Nature, 1986
link: https://www.nature.com/articles/323533a0

Even the Convolutional Neural Networks (CNNs) which are widely used in AI applications like image recognition are also built upon the foundational research from Western institutions. The breakthrough for CNNs came with Yann LeCun’s work in the late 1980s and early 1990s. LeCun’s LeNet architecture for digit recognition is a milestone in the development of deep learning.

Yann LeCun, "Gradient-Based Learning Applied to Document Recognition," Proceedings of the IEEE, 1998.
link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/726791

You don't work in tech or engineering so I'll cut you some slack on this.



This was a PR stunt. All of these space agencies are masonic and fake, no matter what country they're in.

Much of "quantum" is a jewish scam. It is heavily theoretical and abstract, the kind of grift that spiteful jewish academians gravitate towards. Just look at the fraud who allegedly founded it, Einstein. He was the plagiarist of the century. French physicist Henri Poincare developed the theory of relativity a year before Einstein claimed credit for it.

Einstein like Freud and many others of the tribe who were propped up by their brethren were instrumental in the fragmenting of reality and how we viewed life, our beliefs, ideals, culture, in order to destroy the foundations of understanding. To see life skewed through the lense of jewish subversion, look no further than this hogwash.

As for quantum research, these western scientists pioneered research in its use for technology and communicative modalities:

-John Bell's work on Bell's Theorem in the 1960s.
-Charles Bennett, an American physicist who alongside Gilles Brassard developed the BB84 protocol for quantum key distribution (QKD), which is one of the most widely used protocols for secure quantum communication in 1984.
-David Deutsch, a British physicist and pioneer in quantum computing was one of the creators of the concept of a quantum Turing machine and was instrumental in developing ideas that would influence quantum communication systems.
-Artur Ekert, another British physicist who invented the E91 quantum key distribution protocol based on quantum entanglement. This method is often used for secure communications, including what China used in its quantum satellite.
-Rainer Blatt and David Wineland who won the jewish nobel prize for their work on quantum systems and quantum entanglement
-Alain Aspect, a French physicist whose Bell test experiments demonstrated the violation of Bell’s inequalities, supporting quantum entanglement.
-Anton Zeilinger experiments with quantum teleportation helped establish the basis for future quantum communication technologies.

China did not create the core principles of quantum key distribution, quantum entanglement, or quantum teleportation; these were all products of decades of Western research, if not a century of it. Also they did not invent satellite technology.

-The telemetry systems used to communicate with the satellite and relay data back to Earth are based on technologies established in Western satellite communications. The US and Europe have been pioneers in developing high-precision telemetry and control systems for satellite operations for decades, and before anyone else.

-The Micius satellite itself, including the basic satellite chassis and model, was largely based on Western technology and infrastructure. For instance, China relied on established methods of satellite development such as the same basic orbital mechanics and satellite propulsion systems that were used in U.S. and European space programs.

-The Micius satellite was launched aboard a Chinese Long March 2D rocket, a technology with heavy influence from Soviet-era technology, which in turn was based on earlier Western developments and advancements. Layers of thievery.


More wrong.

The U.S. and Russia have led the development of hypersonic missile technology for decades. The DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in the U.S. has been working on hypersonic missile development since the 1980s. The X-15 rocket plane (which flew at Mach 6.7) and NASA’s X-43 (which reached Mach 9.6) are proof that the U.S. has been the global leader in hypersonic flight for a long time.

Russia has had considerable success with hypersonic missiles like the Avangard missile system which was successfully tested in 2018. This missile system is capable of speeds of Mach 27 (approximately 20,000 miles per hour). China’s hypersonic technology thus represents a more recent effort to "catch up" and not a pioneering leap.

The 2008 espionage of U.S. missile technology resulted in China acquiring information that helped them advance their own missile programs. This includes missile guidance systems and re-entry vehicle designs that were incorporated into their DF-21 and DF-17 missiles—both of which are considered hypersonic-capable systems. Not to mention their numerous spy rings in the 1990s.

The DF-17 hypersonic missile is often cited as an example of this process. While it was initially thought to be a major breakthrough for China, analysts later found that it was based on earlier Russian models and designs, and US missile research.

The DF-17 missile, which was developed by China’s PLARF (People's Liberation Army Rocket Force) is powered by a Waverider-style glide vehicle, that is a conceptual build on the U.S. DARPA's Hypersonic Test Vehicle (HTV-2), which was tested in the 2000s. The DF-17 also shares technical similarities with the Russian “Yugoslavia” and “Avangard” systems, both of which were in development earlier than China’s system.
The U.S. Navy’s X-51A Waverider (tested by the U.S. Air Force in 2010) is a scramjet-powered hypersonic test vehicle that also provided China with insight into advanced scramjet technology used in their current hypersonic program.

The Chinese are capable of "copy and improve" at best. They are merely borrowers and adopters of ideas.


First you put this under "China did not copy:" when it clearly is a copied subset.

You're looking at the wrong metric.

China's EAST (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak) had a record duration in 2021 of holding plasma for 1,056 seconds, a significant achievement in terms of plasma duration, however this was not a world record as it was only a few seconds longer than South Korea’s K-STAR reactor's 2020 record. EAST's success in plasma confinement is a merely a milestone but it has not yet achieved net positive energy output, which is the major goal in fusion research

The US National Ignition Facility (NIF)’s achievement of net positive energy in 2021 shows that energy gain is now feasible, while EAST has not yet demonstrated this. This is the true breakthrough in fusion research.

It is still far behind the West in terms of practical, scalable fusion energy. The ITER project in Europe, a collaborative effort that includes the U.S., EU, and other nations, is the real leader in fusion energy. ITER has already achieved milestones in fusion research that China hasn’t reached yet. China’s progress in fusion energy is a drop in the ocean compared to the work that’s been done in the West for the last 60 years.

Fusion plasma research is also not an isolated or proprietary field of study for any one nation, particularly China. The global pursuit of controlled nuclear fusion has involved decades of research across many countries, including the United States, Russia, the European Union, and Japan. The fusion plasma state, the key to nuclear fusion, has been an ongoing challenge tackled by scientists worldwide, and much of China’s progress has been in collaboration with or based on technologies developed by these countries.

The key design behind much of the world’s fusion reactors including China's is the Tokamak design which originated in the Soviet Union in the 1950s (who used German intellectual slave labor to build among other stolen knowledge from the west). The Tokamak has been the workhorse of fusion research. The ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) project in France, a multi-nation collaborative effort that includes China, was initially proposed by Soviet scientists in the 1950s and has continued as a joint project between Europe, Russia, the United States, and other countries.



The West is not simply "pretending it's the best," it still leads the world in foundational sectors like technological innovation, scientific discovery, and military capabilities all of which have a profound influence on global standards. China in its rapid development has benefited from state-driven policy, foreign technology transfer, and globalist strategies that were implemented by Western elites including intellectual property theft, and industrial espionage.

Screw the jews and every other non-white thief out there. There is a lot of hubris in the west, but that will be gone when the parasites are gone. When Whites are in control of their own society without the burden of the jewry, there is absolutely no comparison. If it wasn't for the advancements made during German National Socialism or that was extracted from the minds of the survivors, none of these primates would be playing with universal forces they could never create in the first place.



China’s growth in this sector has been largely enabled by its access to critical materials (like lithium and cobalt), much of which comes from overseas sources and is tied to supply chains that China does not control. In fact, China’s battery production relies on key technologies developed by Western firms, including Tesla’s gigafactories and Western-designed battery chemistries. The true innovation and long-term sustainability in the EV sector will come from newer technologies including solid-state batteries and energy storage systems which are being pioneered by American, European, and Japanese firms.

China’s EV companies like BYD and NIO may currently outpace traditional car companies in sales volume, but their quality and innovation still lag behind Western automakers. The long-term profitability and market leadership in the EV sector will depend on technology, consumer trust, and the ability to scale and maintain a competitive edge, which is where China will struggle to keep up.



First China's stealth fighter development like many of their military technologies has been heavily influenced by espionage and reverse engineering of US and Russian designs.

The J-20, which is not a true 6th generation fighter, it’s still heavily based on 5th generation principles. The J-20 has limitations in terms of range, payload, and avionics, all of which are critical factors in modern combat. China’s stealth aircraft still fall short of US 5th generation fighters like the F-22, which are superior in terms of avionics, sensor fusion, and networking capabilities.

For China to produce these fighters for under $100 million per unit is unrealistic. China’s aviation industry may be efficient but the cost of developing and producing cutting-edge stealth fighters is extremely high with research, materials, and testing alone costing billionss.



In China property rights are heavily controlled by the state, homes may be "owned", but the land is not "owned" by individuals it is owned by the state, and the state can reclaim property at any time, essentially rendering "ownership" more illusory than in many Western nations with jew taxes. Chinese property owners are essentially leasing the land from the state, which keeps control over how it is used, and any real estate development is tightly regulated by the government.

So your analysis is once again surface level. Homeownership is prevalent in China but it operates under a system where land remains under state control. Homeowners face potential government expropriation, even though they are entitled to compensation, but this has lead to disputes. The balance between development and individual rights has not been perfected there.



In a normal world all of this would be free everywhere, and the rigidity of difficult study would keep out the idiots who can't learn. The lack of a global pharmaceutical massacring machine would allow regional natural healers to flourish instead of Rockefeller AMA-approved knife addicts and pill dispensers. The entire idea of "healthcare" and "college" needs to be reset back to square one everywhere. If the Chinese start doing away with these frameworks and models entirely, then I may give them a few claps.



The jews don't hate the Chinese as much as they hate Whites, Americans and Europeans both. They don't care to sabotage a bunch of yellow mongrels as they do to put most of their efforts into destroying the Aryan race. You think this ideological agitprop but they literally promote this out of every one of their diseased enterprises.

You're so demoralized by the rot around you that you can't see the glorious past before the time of jew-control for how it was.

All this rooting for China because people don't have the balls to go and get bloody with their degenerate tyrants is such cuckoldry. China is and will be central for the new world order. It is set to be the leading role in the "fourth industrial revolution" and one little disagreeing globalist faction between portions of the CCP is not going to stop a plot that is thousands of years old.

The digital prison that is already set up in China can and is about to be erected in the US are essential for the antichrist vision of the fusion of biological, technical, and digital realities. Don't take my word for it, that's from the elites mouths themselves.

All you shills do is deflect, deflect deflect. "Muh west sucks, muh druggies everywehere, muh taxes, muh leaders don't care about me." Such low-T defeatism. We're all already thought criminals, what's stopping anyone here from operating outside the system? Take it one step further and put your money where your mouth is. Yes the west is corrupt and degenerate, but you are using this obvious factoid as a smear campaign to revel in your lying Sinophilia.

You never talk about this Cooper, aren't you against transhumanism, aren't you against constant monitoring, no privacy? You want your face to be constantly plastered to a Sharp Eyes system monitor? Aren't you against the mark of the beast system? You are literally cheering for an antichrist component. That's the whole point of it, to goad simple-minded Christians and materialists into being duped. If the US collapsed, you would go to China and one of their rapid-response teams would deploy to your apartment or your housing block and stick you with whatever poison comes up in the next plandemic, and then they would microwave you to death like we saw all those random Chinese people dying during the whole scheme.

"Chinese Vax Death Megacompilation #1"


Do you think the rest of us have collective amnesia about what China was doing to it's own people during the covid scamdemic? How many videos of people confined in their homes committing suicide and starving do I need to put up here? They started the world on this Event 201 medical tyranny shit that western globalists had to artificially pump to no end in their own countries. The Chinese willingly put diapers on their faces and let themselves be herded and corralled like slaves.

Here is jew Klaus Schwab once again in a clip from a few months ago talking about how China is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing:

"China Has to Play, What I Call, and Is Playing a Responsible and Responsive Role in This New Global Setting"


He directly says how China is cooperating with him based on their idea for a "shared global future". Keep listening to west-east shills or you all can open your minds and see that it's basically warriors of God and truth versus the entire world, just as it was written.

And look, you want to go out with your Chinese girl for an ice cream, don't mind the system pig getting in your face to scan your biometrics to see if you are a "threat to the government":


I've exposed so much of your blind praise for China as being nothing more than a combination of sinophilic hopium, covering up intellectual theft with disingenuous claims of Chinese innovation, and a doofus mentality that only the West has faults when it clearly doesn't. Even Anglin, who is an obvious Duganist Zigger and China-lover doesn't shill this hard for them.

This is an incredibly lengthy post.

Lots of very interesting nuggets.

Not that I'm implying your a fed... But man this has to take a couple hours to type out.

My take on their tech and military is that...Overall I don't think China is the boogieman that some would make them out to be (Russia either for that matter) but their manufacturing trends and infrastructure is something that The US has to course correct to maintain parity. The CCP is more fragile than they'd have the world believe... But the collectivist hive mind culture does not facilitate regime change currently.
 
Reading through the China LGBT Reddit thread I just posted above and found a hilarious post on the terms used to describe gays and the gay lifestyle in China



"漏屎 (Leak poop)" 中国人喜欢用漏屎来赞美一个男同。因为我们普遍认为所有男同都漏屎,而且老了都会兜不住屎,在养老院被护工打。 Oh, this one’s a classic. Chinese internet culture has decided that all gay men "leak poop." That’s right—if you’re gay, you’re apparently doomed to a life of bowel control issues. And when you’re old? Forget about dignity—you’ll be leaking uncontrollably in some nursing home while the staff beats you up for fun. eg.漏屎男同又来跳脸了 Example: "The leaking gay guy is jumping in our faces again." Because clearly, gay men can’t even show up without everyone picturing their imaginary bathroom problems.
 
This is an incredibly lengthy post.

Lots of very interesting nuggets.

Not that I'm implying your a fed... But man this has to take a couple hours to type out.

My take on their tech and military is that...Overall I don't think China is the boogieman that some would make them out to be (Russia either for that matter) but their manufacturing trends and infrastructure is something that The US has to course correct to maintain parity. The CCP is more fragile than they'd have the world believe... But the collectivist hive mind culture does not facilitate regime change currently.
All feds are anti-White, there's no way I could ever jive with that environment. Some of them secretly are pro-White, meaning personally when they're "off the clock" and not near their government phone they may express some sentiments we are all familiar with, but when it comes down to it, they're all pension junkies who will do whatever they're told even if it means selling out a family member or killing an innocent to maintain 'the system' of things.

It is foolish to try and ingrain oneself with them, even if it's one of your best buddies from way back. Most of them are afraid of their own system and are too comfortable being above the law unlike regular policemen.

With the restructuring they're about to do, many of the current feds will not be so in a few weeks, but their replacements should concern all of us, especially those with children. The strengthening of the US now is directly tied to the goal for what's best for the jews, not for Christians Whites. This will not be apparent in the immediate, but it is part of the long con.

I don't sit for very long in one period at a computer, I like to keep active, but I was searching for awhile yesterday because I'm having a hard time finding videos of all the "shakers" that used to be everywhere, all the people dying suddenly in China. That being said, it's not just China but also India and other Asian countries, though most videos of that phenomena came from China. There has been a global phenomena recently of scrubbing these from websites, another shady foreshadowing of things to come.

I don't think China or Russia is a boogieman per se, I'm just revealing the straightforward picture that the Chinese are the perfect organisms at implementation, but not at innovation. The Chinese are what the White man thought he could make out of the Black man, giving him everything and then him becoming civilized and 'progressive,' in the sense of functional civilization. However, if the United States did not cripple Japan, they would be the masters of all Asia and the Pacific today, not China. Japs have weird stuff in their folklore and culture, it's alien to me as a European, but I recognize that they are one of the few races that has what it takes and is still being held down by an inferior oppressor.

I would like to see China backpeddle on the 17 goals of the NWO's most present scheme, Agenda 2030. It is very suspicious that a country pushes forward progress on most of those tenets while not "suffering" like the rest of the world does for doing so. Some of that is by design.

I would also like to see China take on the holohoax narrative collectively, but that's hopium. There is no pile of shoes for Chinamen to feel guilty about loving China yet, but rest assured, if the jews have their way, they will fabricate another just like with the Gaza mess. They will be hanging Oct 7th 2023 over the head of Arabs in perpetuity just like they hold their lampshade fantasy over the heads of Germans and now all Europeans and Whites everywhere. These are their little "insurance policies" when a race becomes too powerful or agitative to their plans.

The Catch-22 here is knowing all of this, the current awareness the Chinese have about the jew is decent, but they are not heeding history. Any compromise with jews creates jewish power, and jewish power is ultimately self-serving and unshared, as it is written in all their texts. One will to dominate will struggle with the other will to live, whether it is a two-way battle or not.

Like you said, collectivist to the extreme. It has not achieved balance and will not do so under any regimentation of Capitalism or Communism, who are becoming androgynously similar these days now that the curtain's been pulled back.
 
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There is no refutation of how bad the west sucks on many metrics, but everything the Chinese benefit from is at our expense.



First of all, the “torch of creativity” never passed to China, it was sold to them by the traitors pretending to lead the West, most notably the US. China’s meteoric rise is a result of the West’s offshoring of manufacturing and the transfer of intellectual property which China subsequently exploited through state-sponsored capital. China has been built on the backs of US industry and innovation, do you think China could have created its "AI bubble" without billions of dollars in foreign investment particularly from companies like Google, Intel, and Tesla? China thrives because it’s been integrated into the global economic system built by the West.

I have no doubt they are taking what the west made and using it against them, but let's look at each one of your claims of things they apparently "didn't copy."


Wrong.

The initial concept of thorium reactors traces back to the United States in the 1960s with the development of the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) under the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), led by American scientists like Alvin Weinberg (a juden), who is often regarded as the father of the thorium reactor concept. His team at ORNL in Tennessee worked extensively on the Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) concept, where thorium was used as a potential fuel instead of uranium. This jew gets all the credit but it was more likely nepotism that labeled him with this. Men like this were the actual brains behind the development of thorium reactors:

John H Williams - American Physicist
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/john-h-williams/

China's thorium reactor program at Tsinghua University was modeled after earlier concepts developed in the West and has relied on foreign designs and Western concepts in the field. One of the most publicized projects is China’s thorium-based molten salt reactor that uses liquid fluoride thorium reactors (LFTR), which are also based on US-developed designs from the 1960s.

Thorium reactors are still experimental to this day and while China has an interest in them they are decades away from widespread implementation. The US and other Western nations have been developing safe nuclear power technologies such as the advanced small modular reactors that are far closer to market and adoption, the problem exists with certain lobbies and their shadow war to keep energy from being totally free.

So even here, China’s nuclear program is still heavily reliant on Western designs and technology.


Wrong again.

DeepSeek was built on a series of Nvidia H800 chipsets from America. This is a prime example of China’s ongoing reliance on Western technology to develop its own AI systems, and this doesn't negate the copying aspect that is so common in China’s technological progress. Deepseek therefore used a Western-designed technology for its systems and was essentially copied.

Strange they would need western chips to outdo the west while China is now home to some of the world’s largest semiconductor manufacturers, such as SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation). It's not just the hardware, but also the software.

DeepSeek's AI models are built upon existing architectures and methodologies developed by Western institutions. The foundational principles of deep learning and neural networks, upon which DeepSeek's models are based, were pioneered by researchers in the US and Europe like Geoffrey Hinton almost 20 years ago.

Geoffrey Hinton, “A Fast Learning Algorithm for Deep Belief Nets” (2006)
link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7017915_A_Fast_Learning_Algorithm_for_Deep_Belief_Nets

Going back even before this, the backpropagation algorithm, fundamental to neural networks, was formalized by Paul Werbos (USA) in the 1970s though it was largely ignored until 1986 when David Rumelhart, Geoffrey Hinton, and Ronald J. Williams published a well-known paper on it.

David E. Rumelhart, Geoffrey E. Hinton, Ronald J. Williams, "Learning representations by backpropagating errors," Nature, 1986
link: https://www.nature.com/articles/323533a0

Even the Convolutional Neural Networks (CNNs) which are widely used in AI applications like image recognition are also built upon the foundational research from Western institutions. The breakthrough for CNNs came with Yann LeCun’s work in the late 1980s and early 1990s. LeCun’s LeNet architecture for digit recognition is a milestone in the development of deep learning.

Yann LeCun, "Gradient-Based Learning Applied to Document Recognition," Proceedings of the IEEE, 1998.
link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/726791

You don't work in tech or engineering so I'll cut you some slack on this.



This was a PR stunt. All of these space agencies are masonic and fake, no matter what country they're in.

Much of "quantum" is a jewish scam. It is heavily theoretical and abstract, the kind of grift that spiteful jewish academians gravitate towards. Just look at the fraud who allegedly founded it, Einstein. He was the plagiarist of the century. French physicist Henri Poincare developed the theory of relativity a year before Einstein claimed credit for it.

Einstein like Freud and many others of the tribe who were propped up by their brethren were instrumental in the fragmenting of reality and how we viewed life, our beliefs, ideals, culture, in order to destroy the foundations of understanding. To see life skewed through the lense of jewish subversion, look no further than this hogwash.

As for quantum research, these western scientists pioneered research in its use for technology and communicative modalities:

-John Bell's work on Bell's Theorem in the 1960s.
-Charles Bennett, an American physicist who alongside Gilles Brassard developed the BB84 protocol for quantum key distribution (QKD), which is one of the most widely used protocols for secure quantum communication in 1984.
-David Deutsch, a British physicist and pioneer in quantum computing was one of the creators of the concept of a quantum Turing machine and was instrumental in developing ideas that would influence quantum communication systems.
-Artur Ekert, another British physicist who invented the E91 quantum key distribution protocol based on quantum entanglement. This method is often used for secure communications, including what China used in its quantum satellite.
-Rainer Blatt and David Wineland who won the jewish nobel prize for their work on quantum systems and quantum entanglement
-Alain Aspect, a French physicist whose Bell test experiments demonstrated the violation of Bell’s inequalities, supporting quantum entanglement.
-Anton Zeilinger experiments with quantum teleportation helped establish the basis for future quantum communication technologies.

China did not create the core principles of quantum key distribution, quantum entanglement, or quantum teleportation; these were all products of decades of Western research, if not a century of it. Also they did not invent satellite technology.

-The telemetry systems used to communicate with the satellite and relay data back to Earth are based on technologies established in Western satellite communications. The US and Europe have been pioneers in developing high-precision telemetry and control systems for satellite operations for decades, and before anyone else.

-The Micius satellite itself, including the basic satellite chassis and model, was largely based on Western technology and infrastructure. For instance, China relied on established methods of satellite development such as the same basic orbital mechanics and satellite propulsion systems that were used in U.S. and European space programs.

-The Micius satellite was launched aboard a Chinese Long March 2D rocket, a technology with heavy influence from Soviet-era technology, which in turn was based on earlier Western developments and advancements. Layers of thievery.


More wrong.

The U.S. and Russia have led the development of hypersonic missile technology for decades. The DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in the U.S. has been working on hypersonic missile development since the 1980s. The X-15 rocket plane (which flew at Mach 6.7) and NASA’s X-43 (which reached Mach 9.6) are proof that the U.S. has been the global leader in hypersonic flight for a long time.

Russia has had considerable success with hypersonic missiles like the Avangard missile system which was successfully tested in 2018. This missile system is capable of speeds of Mach 27 (approximately 20,000 miles per hour). China’s hypersonic technology thus represents a more recent effort to "catch up" and not a pioneering leap.

The 2008 espionage of U.S. missile technology resulted in China acquiring information that helped them advance their own missile programs. This includes missile guidance systems and re-entry vehicle designs that were incorporated into their DF-21 and DF-17 missiles—both of which are considered hypersonic-capable systems. Not to mention their numerous spy rings in the 1990s.

The DF-17 hypersonic missile is often cited as an example of this process. While it was initially thought to be a major breakthrough for China, analysts later found that it was based on earlier Russian models and designs, and US missile research.

The DF-17 missile, which was developed by China’s PLARF (People's Liberation Army Rocket Force) is powered by a Waverider-style glide vehicle, that is a conceptual build on the U.S. DARPA's Hypersonic Test Vehicle (HTV-2), which was tested in the 2000s. The DF-17 also shares technical similarities with the Russian “Yugoslavia” and “Avangard” systems, both of which were in development earlier than China’s system.
The U.S. Navy’s X-51A Waverider (tested by the U.S. Air Force in 2010) is a scramjet-powered hypersonic test vehicle that also provided China with insight into advanced scramjet technology used in their current hypersonic program.

The Chinese are capable of "copy and improve" at best. They are merely borrowers and adopters of ideas.


First you put this under "China did not copy:" when it clearly is a copied subset.

You're looking at the wrong metric.

China's EAST (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak) had a record duration in 2021 of holding plasma for 1,056 seconds, a significant achievement in terms of plasma duration, however this was not a world record as it was only a few seconds longer than South Korea’s K-STAR reactor's 2020 record. EAST's success in plasma confinement is a merely a milestone but it has not yet achieved net positive energy output, which is the major goal in fusion research

The US National Ignition Facility (NIF)’s achievement of net positive energy in 2021 shows that energy gain is now feasible, while EAST has not yet demonstrated this. This is the true breakthrough in fusion research.

It is still far behind the West in terms of practical, scalable fusion energy. The ITER project in Europe, a collaborative effort that includes the U.S., EU, and other nations, is the real leader in fusion energy. ITER has already achieved milestones in fusion research that China hasn’t reached yet. China’s progress in fusion energy is a drop in the ocean compared to the work that’s been done in the West for the last 60 years.

Fusion plasma research is also not an isolated or proprietary field of study for any one nation, particularly China. The global pursuit of controlled nuclear fusion has involved decades of research across many countries, including the United States, Russia, the European Union, and Japan. The fusion plasma state, the key to nuclear fusion, has been an ongoing challenge tackled by scientists worldwide, and much of China’s progress has been in collaboration with or based on technologies developed by these countries.

The key design behind much of the world’s fusion reactors including China's is the Tokamak design which originated in the Soviet Union in the 1950s (who used German intellectual slave labor to build among other stolen knowledge from the west). The Tokamak has been the workhorse of fusion research. The ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) project in France, a multi-nation collaborative effort that includes China, was initially proposed by Soviet scientists in the 1950s and has continued as a joint project between Europe, Russia, the United States, and other countries.



The West is not simply "pretending it's the best," it still leads the world in foundational sectors like technological innovation, scientific discovery, and military capabilities all of which have a profound influence on global standards. China in its rapid development has benefited from state-driven policy, foreign technology transfer, and globalist strategies that were implemented by Western elites including intellectual property theft, and industrial espionage.

Screw the jews and every other non-white thief out there. There is a lot of hubris in the west, but that will be gone when the parasites are gone. When Whites are in control of their own society without the burden of the jewry, there is absolutely no comparison. If it wasn't for the advancements made during German National Socialism or that was extracted from the minds of the survivors, none of these primates would be playing with universal forces they could never create in the first place.



China’s growth in this sector has been largely enabled by its access to critical materials (like lithium and cobalt), much of which comes from overseas sources and is tied to supply chains that China does not control. In fact, China’s battery production relies on key technologies developed by Western firms, including Tesla’s gigafactories and Western-designed battery chemistries. The true innovation and long-term sustainability in the EV sector will come from newer technologies including solid-state batteries and energy storage systems which are being pioneered by American, European, and Japanese firms.

China’s EV companies like BYD and NIO may currently outpace traditional car companies in sales volume, but their quality and innovation still lag behind Western automakers. The long-term profitability and market leadership in the EV sector will depend on technology, consumer trust, and the ability to scale and maintain a competitive edge, which is where China will struggle to keep up.



First China's stealth fighter development like many of their military technologies has been heavily influenced by espionage and reverse engineering of US and Russian designs.

The J-20, which is not a true 6th generation fighter, it’s still heavily based on 5th generation principles. The J-20 has limitations in terms of range, payload, and avionics, all of which are critical factors in modern combat. China’s stealth aircraft still fall short of US 5th generation fighters like the F-22, which are superior in terms of avionics, sensor fusion, and networking capabilities.

For China to produce these fighters for under $100 million per unit is unrealistic. China’s aviation industry may be efficient but the cost of developing and producing cutting-edge stealth fighters is extremely high with research, materials, and testing alone costing billionss.



In China property rights are heavily controlled by the state, homes may be "owned", but the land is not "owned" by individuals it is owned by the state, and the state can reclaim property at any time, essentially rendering "ownership" more illusory than in many Western nations with jew taxes. Chinese property owners are essentially leasing the land from the state, which keeps control over how it is used, and any real estate development is tightly regulated by the government.

So your analysis is once again surface level. Homeownership is prevalent in China but it operates under a system where land remains under state control. Homeowners face potential government expropriation, even though they are entitled to compensation, but this has lead to disputes. The balance between development and individual rights has not been perfected there.



In a normal world all of this would be free everywhere, and the rigidity of difficult study would keep out the idiots who can't learn. The lack of a global pharmaceutical massacring machine would allow regional natural healers to flourish instead of Rockefeller AMA-approved knife addicts and pill dispensers. The entire idea of "healthcare" and "college" needs to be reset back to square one everywhere. If the Chinese start doing away with these frameworks and models entirely, then I may give them a few claps.



The jews don't hate the Chinese as much as they hate Whites, Americans and Europeans both. They don't care to sabotage a bunch of yellow mongrels as they do to put most of their efforts into destroying the Aryan race. You think this ideological agitprop but they literally promote this out of every one of their diseased enterprises.

You're so demoralized by the rot around you that you can't see the glorious past before the time of jew-control for how it was.

All this rooting for China because people don't have the balls to go and get bloody with their degenerate tyrants is such cuckoldry. China is and will be central for the new world order. It is set to be the leading role in the "fourth industrial revolution" and one little disagreeing globalist faction between portions of the CCP is not going to stop a plot that is thousands of years old.

The digital prison that is already set up in China can and is about to be erected in the US are essential for the antichrist vision of the fusion of biological, technical, and digital realities. Don't take my word for it, that's from the elites mouths themselves.

All you shills do is deflect, deflect deflect. "Muh west sucks, muh druggies everywehere, muh taxes, muh leaders don't care about me." Such low-T defeatism. We're all already thought criminals, what's stopping anyone here from operating outside the system? Take it one step further and put your money where your mouth is. Yes the west is corrupt and degenerate, but you are using this obvious factoid as a smear campaign to revel in your lying Sinophilia.

You never talk about this Cooper, aren't you against transhumanism, aren't you against constant monitoring, no privacy? You want your face to be constantly plastered to a Sharp Eyes system monitor? Aren't you against the mark of the beast system? You are literally cheering for an antichrist component. That's the whole point of it, to goad simple-minded Christians and materialists into being duped. If the US collapsed, you would go to China and one of their rapid-response teams would deploy to your apartment or your housing block and stick you with whatever poison comes up in the next plandemic, and then they would microwave you to death like we saw all those random Chinese people dying during the whole scheme.

"Chinese Vax Death Megacompilation #1"


Do you think the rest of us have collective amnesia about what China was doing to it's own people during the covid scamdemic? How many videos of people confined in their homes committing suicide and starving do I need to put up here? They started the world on this Event 201 medical tyranny shit that western globalists had to artificially pump to no end in their own countries. The Chinese willingly put diapers on their faces and let themselves be herded and corralled like slaves.

Here is jew Klaus Schwab once again in a clip from a few months ago talking about how China is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing:

"China Has to Play, What I Call, and Is Playing a Responsible and Responsive Role in This New Global Setting"


He directly says how China is cooperating with him based on their idea for a "shared global future". Keep listening to west-east shills or you all can open your minds and see that it's basically warriors of God and truth versus the entire world, just as it was written.

And look, you want to go out with your Chinese girl for an ice cream, don't mind the system pig getting in your face to scan your biometrics to see if you are a "threat to the government":


I've exposed so much of your blind praise for China as being nothing more than a combination of sinophilic hopium, covering up intellectual theft with disingenuous claims of Chinese innovation, and a doofus mentality that only the West has faults when it clearly doesn't. Even Anglin, who is an obvious Duganist Zigger and China-lover doesn't shill this hard for them.



Same old Piano notes, another massively bloated verbose answer filled with:

- personal attacks and strawmen. Here it is the notion that, because observing China and their government is doing better job in many areas at running their country, I must be some kind of a traitor to my country or race...

- wildly inaccurate takes on many subjects you clearly don't know much about but will copy-paste big dumps to pretend you do. Let me take a few of those apart.


First of all, the “torch of creativity” never passed to China, it was sold to them by the traitors pretending to lead the West, most notably the US. China’s meteoric rise is a result of the West’s offshoring of manufacturing and the transfer of intellectual property which China subsequently exploited through state-sponsored capital. China has been built on the backs of US industry and innovation, do you think China could have created its "AI bubble" without billions of dollars in foreign investment particularly from companies like Google, Intel, and Tesla? China thrives because it’s been integrated into the global economic system built by the West.
China has not been running on foreign investment for decades now, they have an annual inflow of one trillion dollars per year just from their trade balance. They are creating new industries almost from scratch, including chips, EVs, and dominating them. Their cars have had Toyota, VW and Ford engineers marveling at their designs. They are literally destroying Japanese and German companies like Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi and VW that may not be around much longer.


Do you think China could have created its "AI bubble" without billions of dollars in foreign investment particularly from companies like Google, Intel, and Tesla?
That is precisely what they just did! They struck a huge blow to the bloated Silicon Valley AI industry with a tiny team working on a shoestring budget. This has been the biggest story this year so far, the release of DeepSeek has taken half a trillion dollar off of Nvidia's market cap.



Strange they would need western chips to outdo the west while China is now home to some of the world’s largest semiconductor manufacturers, such as SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation). It's not just the hardware, but also the software.
Have you ever been to Silicon Valley?? I don't think Noyce would recognize it. By 2000, the majority of EECS at firms like Intel, Sun, National Semiconductor, Apple were Chinese (mix of Taiwanese-American, ABCs and FOBs). EE grads from the main feeder schools (Berkeley, Stanford, CalTech SJSU, UCLA etc) have been majority Chinese.

The main reason Taiwan has been the global center of semiconductor industry is because this SV Chinese community set up shop there.





Hypersonic missiles
More wrong.
Hypersonic missile tech is built on the magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) theories of French plasma physicist Jean-Pierre Petit in the 1980s. He was considered a loon by the French scientific establishment and his work mothballed, except for the Russians, who picked up on the tremendous potential of MHD, the rooskies being more tuned in to the mathematical theories undergirding MHD. A few decades later, they have developed glider missiles that travel at mach 20 and torpedoes that cruise at 400kmh underwater. The Chinese did copy/reverse engineer Russian MHD tech, but are still 5 years behind, while the US is over a decade behind.


The West is not simply "pretending it's the best," it still leads the world in foundational sectors like technological innovation, scientific discovery, and military capabilities all of which have a profound influence on global standards. China in its rapid development has benefited from state-driven policy, foreign technology transfer, and globalist strategies that were implemented by Western elites including intellectual property theft, and industrial espionage.
The heyday of American military technology was in the 1970s, when programs like the F-14, F-15, F-16, Blackbird were developed. Today we are down to this:


The US military procurement system is the most bloated, most corrupt bureaucracy in the history of bureaucracies, objectively measured in financial terms. The F-35 is a $2 trillion boondoggle that produced an inferior one trick pony (stealth) that apparently even the Iranians have figured out.

The US pulled the plug on the NGAD because it was going to cost nearly half a billion dollars per plane, an absurd proposition even for a Treasury that can print dollars out of thin air. and yes, the Chinese will build their Gen5/6 jets for well under $100 mill apiece. Korea sells their KF-21 stealth fighter for $70 million, and the Chinese are even better at keeping costs low.

China’s EV companies like BYD and NIO may currently outpace traditional car companies in sales volume, but their quality and innovation still lag behind Western automakers.
This is one of your many Boomer moments from the post above, you are completely disconnected with reality, it's as if you still live in 1989 and you've typed your mega-post above on a 386 PC wearing a Members Only jacket.


Look, the point here is not to **** on the US and praise China, that's where you want to frame this debate in order to invoke a completely misplaced and shortsighted patriotism. The point here is that China, and Russia, are well-run countries that are on the rise, and whose people like their rulers and feel good about their future - the opposite of every western country.

We're run by oligarchs who hate us and treat their people like cattle who they squeeze to the last drop in a modern type of usury-based serfdom: rampant homelessness and ghettos, student debt, mass migration, shrinking economic opportunities, high taxes and not much in return, disappearing freedom, cultural war against Christianity and nationalism and so forth.

People like those RedNote TikTok refugees are starting to notice, thanks to China, and that is a good thing. The Chinese with their rinky-dink $5.6 million super-program have also single-handedly destroyed the foundation of the techno-feudalists' AI-driven world domination plan . Sam Altman, Larry Ellison and co are reeling and that is a great thing, xie xie China!
 
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