Texas, New Mexico and Arizona Thread

OP, what line of work/skills do you have?

The region you described is larger than most 3 or 4 European countries combined. There are widely varying cultures and expectations throughout.

Several European friends have settled in the SW and love it - foreign culture and all. Most come and go. Really, its foreign even for most Americans.
Of the regions you've mentioned, Texas (including the Panhandle region) is probably your best starting spot. Cheap land, Bible belt, plentiful Latinas and large Catholic populations. Property taxes make up for their lack of income tax - so buy accordingly. Good luck breaking into NA culture anywhere in NM or AZ. They are friendly folks but very insular. That's ok by me, but might be frustrating if you are trying to date in. Many of the tribes are reverting to practicing their traditional religions as a method to insulate their culture.

Economy is strong in west Texas (Amarillo, down to Midland/Odessa, west to El Paso). If a man is game and willing to work, there is money to be made. Frankly, Anglos can have a hard time in El Paso. Very friendly people, but the primary language is Spanish. If you are southern European/Latin, and speak good Spanish, you'll fit in better and more likely to find a Mexico-born US trad-Latina. NM economy is .gov focused. It is the biggest welfare state in the US (basis of fed bucks received versus fed taxes contributed). Outside of Albuquerque/Santa Fe/Taos, NM has all the things you noted but is generally just poor. AZ economy appears to be pretty strong and growing, but Phoenix/Tucson are hot. Flagstaff is much cooler, but is pretty expensive.

Getting some old-poster vibes from this thread. Glad to hear from them. There's truth in this thread.
 
OP, what line of work/skills do you have?

The region you described is larger than most 3 or 4 European countries combined. There are widely varying cultures and expectations throughout.

Several European friends have settled in the SW and love it - foreign culture and all. Most come and go. Really, its foreign even for most Americans.
Of the regions you've mentioned, Texas (including the Panhandle region) is probably your best starting spot. Cheap land, Bible belt, plentiful Latinas and large Catholic populations. Property taxes make up for their lack of income tax - so buy accordingly. Good luck breaking into NA culture anywhere in NM or AZ. They are friendly folks but very insular. That's ok by me, but might be frustrating if you are trying to date in. Many of the tribes are reverting to practicing their traditional religions as a method to insulate their culture.

Economy is strong in west Texas (Amarillo, down to Midland/Odessa, west to El Paso). If a man is game and willing to work, there is money to be made. Frankly, Anglos can have a hard time in El Paso. Very friendly people, but the primary language is Spanish. If you are southern European/Latin, and speak good Spanish, you'll fit in better and more likely to find a Mexico-born US trad-Latina. NM economy is .gov focused. It is the biggest welfare state in the US (basis of fed bucks received versus fed taxes contributed). Outside of Albuquerque/Santa Fe/Taos, NM has all the things you noted but is generally just poor. AZ economy appears to be pretty strong and growing, but Phoenix/Tucson are hot. Flagstaff is much cooler, but is pretty expensive.

Getting some old-poster vibes from this thread. Glad to hear from them. There's truth in this thread.
Thank you for your input.
As far as Native American ladies marrying is seem (statistically) less common in New Mexico - but reasonably common in Arizona and some other states. There are far less Native Americans in Texas, albeit there are some, particularity the ones who migrated from the neighboring Oklahoma for education or work. In fact, my only real life experience so far has been with a young Comanche (Christian) lady who was visiting Dallas.
Unsure about the Panhandle region. However, heard great things about West Texas (particularly El Paso).
As far as Arizona goes, Flagstaff is apparently great and has everything I would need. You are right, my only concern regarding Phoenix/Tucson is the brutal heat during the summer.

(PS If you have "old-poster vibes from this thread" you are not wrong. I posted the same thread on RVF, but got banned by one of the trigger-happy "moderators" for it less than a week later. Ironically, RVF as whole was also shot down less than a month after the ban.)
 
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I am finishing camping in Southern AZ now, all towns are mostly Mexican. Real ghetto. Many of them hate the whitey (not all but noticeable percent) and "no speak English", even Walmart employees. What a hellhole, very polluted air and overcrowded to top it off. Lots of blacks too, some show dislike for the whitey. Its mostly third world country vibes. If anyone is into that makes sense to pay less for everything straight in Mexico.
 
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I got a business opportunity in Tempe I am considering taking. My buddy moved out there and took a job a year or two ago and tells me sweet nothings about Arizona but he is biased because he wants me to move there. The above post about southern Arizona doesn't sound to inviting..... I imagine there is some middle ground somewhere in there.

TL/DR: How is Tempe Arizona for living?
 
The above post about southern Arizona doesn't sound to inviting..... I imagine there is some middle ground somewhere in there.

Remaining few (very, very few) good places in AZ are remote, very far from Phoenix and hardly have business opportunities or many jobs and one needs to be a retiree or remote worker, or certain in demand profession.

Tempe...glad I made it though that traffic nightmare without damaging towed vehicle, its part of the traffic and polullution epicenter. Would not store a vehicle anywhere near Phoenix again.
"Interstate 10: The most congested segment of Interstate 10, which extends for 392 miles in Arizona, is in Tempe. ADOT data shows that stretch of freeway not only is the busiest along I-10, but the busiest section of any freeway in the entire state."
 
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Before it was pretty damn good. Arizona had cheap real estate, was solid right wing, less restrictions and regulations, less taxes and great winter weather.

I should have realized that Los Angelinos would eventually escape from their hell hole and go the only direction they can out of California... East into Arizona and Southern Nevada.

13-15 years too late to real estate party. When it crashed it crashed really good back then. Investors and Canadian retirees were buying it all up then. Anyway it got ruined by hordes moving there, lots of these folks never even been to good peaceful places with clean air and think big city hellscape is the thing to aspire to. Even places like Payson and Flagstaff got stuffed to the gills, full store parking lots and roads mid day. Even in Flagstaff it was tons of immigrants too, in parts store cientelle were like some NYC place. That's not Flagstaff that used to be. They are packing immigrants into AZ, and not just from Mexico but from all countries, not just US transplants. Not just Angelenos but fresh off the boat. If you want "diverse" that's Arizona cities.

20 years ago I could just drive through Phoenix without worrying about traffic, hard to imagine now. But the air was already bad back then, you could see and smell the cloud of pollution on I-10 before you even saw Phoenix in the distance. The heat, the high UV do a number to dirty air.
 
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This is still unsolved.
Victims of the whitey hate and covidian terror do not get news coverage.

Two brothers from Ohio traveled through Arizona in early 2020, decided to get cultural enrichment on Navajo reservation along the way.
They were inexperienced travelers, only one of them had a little bit of experience. One was moving to work in CA accross the country, his brother was helping him move.


They headed for the campground on Navajo res. Brother who traveled a bit earlier been there before and thought it was nice to stop again. Their truck got stuck on the res, 2 miles from a small store. They tried to walk out, no signal there, and both got shot dead by the road. No one is talking, on the res they know who did it of course. So much to cultural enrichment. Things can get ugly out there. I've seen my share of stuff on and near reservation lands.
 
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I got a business opportunity in Tempe I am considering taking. My buddy moved out there and took a job a year or two ago and tells me sweet nothings about Arizona but he is biased because he wants me to move there. The above post about southern Arizona doesn't sound to inviting..... I imagine there is some middle ground somewhere in there.

TL/DR: How is Tempe Arizona for living?
Couldn't pay me to live there. But that's just me.

Extreme heat, landlocked, sand storms, scorpions, flying cockroaches, lots of 3rd world immigration, Also overpriced as it's a college town. And not even a good college town like you might get in places like Ohio. Just a party college where kids trash the place for 4-6 years then go back to wherever they came from.
 
This is still unsolved.
Victims of the whitey hate and covidian terror do not get news coverage.

Two brothers from Ohio traveled through Arizona in early 2020, decided to get cultural enrichment on Navajo reservation along the way.
They were inexperienced travelers, only one of them had a little bit of experience. One was moving to work in CA accross the country, his brother was helping him move.


They headed for the campground on Navajo res. Brother who traveled a bit earlier been there before and thought it was nice to stop again. Their truck got stuck on the res, 2 miles from a small store. They tried to walk out, no signal there, and both got shot dead by the road. No one is talking, on the res they know who did it of course. So much to cultural enrichment. Things can get ugly out there. I've seen my share of stuff on and near reservation lands.
I've spent time on the Navajo Res. I spent several summers out there on working construction for a church group. I have some Navajo friends still and lots of love for the community... but in general.... They absolutely do not want us Palefaces out there.

I don't think OP is still around... but I'm not sure his thing with Native American women...or if he's had any experience with them.

My wife is half Chocktaw/Spanish and half German/Anglo. My wife is wonderful, but it has zero to do with her Native American roots.

I've spent a good amount of time in Oklahoma with the Cherokee res I don't think the OP knows much about what he's speaking.
 
I've spent time on the Navajo Res. I spent several summers out there on working construction for a church group. I have some Navajo friends still and lots of love for the community... but in general.... They absolutely do not want us Palefaces out there.

I don't think OP is still around... but I'm not sure his thing with Native American women...or if he's had any experience with them.

My wife is half Chocktaw/Spanish and half German/Anglo. My wife is wonderful, but it has zero to do with her Native American roots.

I've spent a good amount of time in Oklahoma with the Cherokee res I don't think the OP knows much about what he's speaking.

Thats the mural along the main road though Navajo res from Page to Flagstaff

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Couldn't pay me to live there. But that's just me.

Extreme heat, landlocked, sand storms, scorpions, flying cockroaches, lots of 3rd world immigration, Also overpriced as it's a college town. And not even a good college town like you might get in places like Ohio. Just a party college where kids trash the place for 4-6 years then go back to wherever they came from.

Heat is really bad starting mid spring to mid fall, in the 100s. Weeks of 110s temps. Entire Phoenix metro tries to get out to the mountains on weekends to escape the heat so finding peaceful camping anywhere within 2-3 hour drive sucks. They shut down most camping around Sedona now because of crowds and ATVers.

With this crazy heat one thing is to be out in the country another thing being stuck in the crowded, polluted city, which also gets hotter than country because of all the concrete and lack of wind, plus you can't really hike close to the city after dark, when it cools down, because of junkies and crime.
 
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Couldn't pay me to live there. But that's just me.

Extreme heat, landlocked, sand storms, scorpions, flying cockroaches, lots of 3rd world immigration, Also overpriced as it's a college town. And not even a good college town like you might get in places like Ohio. Just a party college where kids trash the place for 4-6 years then go back to wherever they came from.
I guess you dissing the Arizona State University. Look, I know that university was a butt of all jokes back in the 2000s and early 2010s but apaprently the ASU/s rating has improved massively since. For some subjects , the university's rating is is surprisingly good nowadays.
 
I've spent time on the Navajo Res. I spent several summers out there on working construction for a church group. I have some Navajo friends still and lots of love for the community... but in general.... They absolutely do not want us Palefaces out there.

I don't think OP is still around... but I'm not sure his thing with Native American women...or if he's had any experience with them.

My wife is half Chocktaw/Spanish and half German/Anglo. My wife is wonderful, but it has zero to do with her Native American roots.

I've spent a good amount of time in Oklahoma with the Cherokee res I don't think the OP knows much about what he's speaking.
Chopper, we disagree on a lot of things but so far you have been civilize dwith me. But now you really seem to hav a go at me. Stop it.
I don't know (nor seek to know) whether your wife is really 1/4 Choctaw. (Anyone can say anything they want online.)
However, the same way, you don't know anything about me, either. You don't know whether me or my family had any experience with Native Americans.
If you check official, reliable statistics, despite the often adverse environemnt, Native American ladies in US are more likely to marry outside of their ethnic group than females of any other ethnic manirity group in the US. (And you would be surprised how fairly many recent , male European immigrants to the US marry and create solid families with Native American ladies.)
Some Federally Recognized Tribes fully accept and embrace any person - who has of 1/4 (at least a grandparent) or even 1/8 ancestry (at least a grand-grandparent) of the tribe - which also proves that have been a lot of intermarriages. This policy seems very accepting and not racist at all.
Your experience may vary depending on the tribe and -crucially-on the person you encounter. On my experience, most Native American nations are trying to find a delicate balance between integrating into and succeeding in the modern US and - preserve their traditions, too.
Many of them don't stay on reservations. Many get on job, many go to university and later have professional careers. Cricually many young Native American women go to university...and these aldies are the most likely to marry out.
Since you brought in the Navajo Nation -and one of the most successful of the Federally Recognized Tribes. In Arizona, they are almost everywhere. You may find a Navajo that is cleaner, a delivery driver...but also, a Navajo person may be a pharmacist, a local police officer or even a university lecturer...and anything in-between.

As for Oklahoma, the Cherokee are not the only federally recognized tribe in Oklahoma. My second-cousin lived in OK for 6 months. He interacted with members of a tribe there - both in professional and personal capacity. He was surprised how polite, friendly and helpful most members of said Native American nation were.
 
I am finishing camping in Southern AZ now, all towns are mostly Mexican. Real ghetto. Many of them hate the whitey (not all but noticeable percent) and "no speak English", even Walmart employees. What a hellhole, very polluted air and overcrowded to top it off. Lots of blacks too, some show dislike for the whitey. Its mostly third world country vibes. If anyone is into that makes sense to pay less for everything straight in Mexico.
I politely request that you stop hijacking my thread.
You are trying to this into a non-sensical and borderline racist diatribe. Those Latino, Black and Native American folks have just as much right to be there as you have. As you know from my original post I have absolutely no problems with them and neither have other commenters on this thread) Only you are fixated on them. Also, there are no statistic to prove any town or city os southern Arizona is mostly Mexican. Someone replied "no speak English" to you in a Walmart store in Arizona? That was probably a customer, not a Walmart employee.
"If anyone is into that makes sense to pay less for everything straight in Mexico."- Again, you radiate storng Russian troll vibes. We have been through this before. Stop your smear campaign on the American Soutwest. Thanks for your co-operation.
 
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This is still unsolved.

Two brothers from Ohio traveled through Arizona in early 2020, decided to get cultural enrichment on Navajo reservation along the way.
They were inexperienced travelers, only one of them had a little bit of experience. One was moving to work in CA accross the country, his brother was helping him move.


They headed for the campground on Navajo res. Brother who traveled a bit earlier been there before and thought it was nice to stop again. Their truck got stuck on the res, 2 miles from a small store. They tried to walk out, no signal there, and both got shot dead by the road. No one is talking, on the res they know who did it of course. So much to cultural enrichment. Things can get ugly out there. I've seen my share of stuff on and near reservation lands.
I have actually looked into this.
This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to the victim's families (particularly Mr Regan's children).
However, it is important to note that the investigation is still open. The FBI still offers $10,000 for any meaningful lead on this homicide case.
Since this murder happened on a reservation of a federally recognized tribe the FBI had to get involved, and rightly so.

Just for context : trespassers do NOT get shot on the reservation. Memebers of the community are expected to call the authorities. The authorites informe the persons that they are treasspassing and politely direct them to the nearest highway to continue their journey there. Two men in a car with Ohio plates are likely to be there by mistake and would have been potely directed back to the highway to continue their journey. The leaders of the Navajo Nationa dn the community as a whole made it clear: they were shocked bout what happened. It is clear that whoever killed Mr Reagan and his brother - did not represent the Navajo Nation. The Navajo Nation harbours good relationship with other communities in Arizona and beyond. The said reservation received a good number of tourists each year (some of them come from as far as Europe). Organized tours and sale of Navajo artifacts creates employment and brings in significant revenue to the community. In it absolutely not in interest of the Navajo community of such tragedy happening on their land.
The Navajo Nation fully co-operated with and helped the work of the local and state police as wella s the FBI. In case someone doesn't know, the FBI are not your two-bits, small, corrupt local police officer. They are highly-trained, vetted , dedicated law enforcement officials that are srutinized direclty by the Federal Government. They don't care about the sensitivies of the locals - they are there to solve a homicide case. And I am certain the FBI will leave no stone unturned - and will bring the killers to justice.
The posters statement: "Victims of the whitey hate and covidian terror do not get news coverage." is wrong.
While the Covid-lock-downs might have certainly hindered the effectiveness of the investigation at the time, there is absolutely nothing indicating that the murdered were related to the victims ethnicity. Such speculation do not bring the victims back, nor they will prevent further tragedies like this from happening. It might have been a randoma rmed robbery turning into a double homicide. Let's wait from further information from the FBU before making any assumptions.
 
The general IQ levels drastically drop the closer you get to the Southern border. Stupidity is really incredible and things that are very easy to get done elsewhere in the States, or basic questions answered, all gets very tough.
Anything automotive requires two attempts, for example, they get it wrong the first time, wrong parts, wrong paint color, bad service. Sort of like in Mexico. Calling a truck stop South of Phoenix means talking to some incredibly dumb female, usually, who can't speak English and doesn't know squat about services they have, usually need a manager to talk to, just to be able to communicate.
 
Chopper, we disagree on a lot of things but so far you have been civilize dwith me. But now you really seem to hav a go at me. Stop it.
I don't know (nor seek to know) whether your wife is really 1/4 Choctaw. (Anyone can say anything they want online.)
However, the same way, you don't know anything about me, either. You don't know whether me or my family had any experience with Native Americans.
If you check official, reliable statistics, despite the often adverse environemnt, Native American ladies in US are more likely to marry outside of their ethnic group than females of any other ethnic manirity group in the US. (And you would be surprised how fairly many recent , male European immigrants to the US marry and create solid families with Native American ladies.)
Some Federally Recognized Tribes fully accept and embrace any person - who has of 1/4 (at least a grandparent) or even 1/8 ancestry (at least a grand-grandparent) of the tribe - which also proves that have been a lot of intermarriages. This policy seems very accepting and not racist at all.
Your experience may vary depending on the tribe and -crucially-on the person you encounter. On my experience, most Native American nations are trying to find a delicate balance between integrating into and succeeding in the modern US and - preserve their traditions, too.
Many of them don't stay on reservations. Many get on job, many go to university and later have professional careers. Cricually many young Native American women go to university...and these aldies are the most likely to marry out.
Since you brought in the Navajo Nation -and one of the most successful of the Federally Recognized Tribes. In Arizona, they are almost everywhere. You may find a Navajo that is cleaner, a delivery driver...but also, a Navajo person may be a pharmacist, a local police officer or even a university lecturer...and anything in-between.

As for Oklahoma, the Cherokee are not the only federally recognized tribe in Oklahoma. My second-cousin lived in OK for 6 months. He interacted with members of a tribe there - both in professional and personal capacity. He was surprised how polite, friendly and helpful most members of said Native American nation were.
Ok bro...no one's having "a go" at you.

Just telling you how it is.

The res is a very screwed up space. Your 1/6th great grand cousins aunts sisters boyfriends childhood friends experience doesn't prove the point that most Indians don't like the whites they interact with. you're also the same guy who has zero clue about the ethnic relationships between Mexicans and gringos in Texas.... So if you're not willing to take the comment as a statement of observation from a lifelong Texan .... I don't know what to tell you ...


Yes they will accept 1/16 members as part of their tribe. Doesn't mean you would want to live there or marry into it if they are a card carrying member of the res.

Your milage may vary. Good luck with your hypothesis...
 
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