Nick Fuentes Thread

There is a point where instead of helping you are enabling him.
This. I don't waste my time on black pilled posts because it is an unhealthy way of looking at life.

As a child, I complained how life was unfair to me due to my deafness. I was incredibly frustrated. My father didn't like that type of attitude and thinking. He looked at me directly and said: "What are you complaining about? What are you going to do about it?". He then lectured me on a lot of his difficulties he had to go through in life: growing up hungry during the Great Depression era; trying to survive through harsh winter conditions in Germany during WW II; trying to look for work to support a large family as a military veteran with only a high school diploma, etc. He didn't complain. His Orthodox Christian faith got him thru everything.

So, I changed my attitude and mindset. And if anything negative gets thrown at me, I use that as my motivation and drive to succeed in life.

Edit. Plus I returned to my Orthodox roots after my father passed away. I've been attending church every Sunday on top of daily's bible readings.
 
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This. I don't waste my time on black pilled posts because it is an unhealthy way of looking at life.

As a child, I complained how life was unfair to me due to my deafness. I was incredibly frustrated. My father didn't like that type of attitude and thinking. He looked at me directly and said: "What are you complaining about? What are you going to do about it?". He then lectured me on a lot of his difficulties he had to go through in life: growing up hungry during the Great Depression era; trying to survive through harsh winter conditions in Germany during WW II; trying to look for work to support a large family as a military veteran with only a high school diploma, etc. He didn't complain. His Orthodox Christian faith got him thru everything.

So, I changed my attitude and mindset. And if anything negative gets thrown at me, I use that as my motivation and drive to succeed in life.

Edit. Plus I returned to my Orthodox roots after my father passed away. I've been attending church every Sunday on top of daily's bible readings.

Damn, pops sounds like a good man. God Bless you and him brother, your strength is admirable.

Edit: this is the type of guidance that "young men" need
 
But that doesn't detract from the fact that he's a pariah and generally an agent of chaos.

I used to watch him pre Jan 6 and all the anti trump hate... But it's incredibly clear to Anyone with half a brain cell that now he's just in it to counter signal Trump wherever possible.
He makes a clear distinction between Trump and the administration, I think he's too generous towards Trump tbh. The Trump coin was ridiculous for example.
His main critique of the 2024 Trump campaign was:

The Donors and their interest in:

Legal Immigration

War with Iran

It's valid to criticize these issues, Silicon valley is not turning right, they are buying in to the Trump administration. Elon Musk, David Sacks, Peter Thiel and now Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg etc.. These are all neo-liberals who are pro immigration and pro Israel.
In my last post to you I pointed out that some X users who are opposed to Nick are apart of the BAP network that is led by Costin Alamariu (a Romanian Jew) and funded by Peter Thiel.

Peter Thiel is a -

South African immigrant

Homosexual

Zionist

and has half his net worth in Palantir - a surveillance company that works with CIA, Mossad and other intelligence agencies! (Thiel also mentored J.D. Vance and launched his political career with a 15m donation when he ran for senate in 2022, and got him the VP.)

You didn't even respond to that, you just called Nick a fed... when all of these guys are funded by a man with these intelligence connections. These other billionaires are also military contractors.

I believe that Trump is a nationalist and I think that the US and the West will be materially better of with him in the White house but that should not blind us to the fact that there is a hostile take over going on of the right by these billionaires who are jewish, gay, immigrants and everything else but Christian.

In 4 years when Trump is out that is who we are left with.

The fact is that the dude comes off like a emasculate closet homosexual fed. This is overwhelmingly the impression I get and many others get of him. At his age I was in the Marine Corps... Not pushing old ladies down the stairs for knocking on my door.
It is obvious that you strongly dislike Nick, you insult him in every post you make here, and I'm not trying to make you like him but he is the largest political persona that talks about the above information and that is not "counter signaling Trump".
You can get the same info from Whitney Webb without the abrasive character. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/0...hind-trumps-vp-pick-its-worse-than-you-think/


The guy is a political commentator, all he is worth is his political analysis. If he was presenting himself as a role model for how to life your life then these critiques of his personal character and demeanor would be more relevant but that's not what he's doing.
 
He makes a clear distinction between Trump and the administration, I think he's too generous towards Trump tbh. The Trump coin was ridiculous for example.
His main critique of the 2024 Trump campaign was:

The Donors and their interest in:

Legal Immigration

War with Iran

It's valid to criticize these issues, Silicon valley is not turning right, they are buying in to the Trump administration. Elon Musk, David Sacks, Peter Thiel and now Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg etc.. These are all neo-liberals who are pro immigration and pro Israel.
In my last post to you I pointed out that some X users who are opposed to Nick are apart of the BAP network that is led by Costin Alamariu (a Romanian Jew) and funded by Peter Thiel.

Peter Thiel is a -

South African immigrant

Homosexual

Zionist

and has half his net worth in Palantir - a surveillance company that works with CIA, Mossad and other intelligence agencies! (Thiel also mentored J.D. Vance and launched his political career with a 15m donation when he ran for senate in 2022, and got him the VP.)

You didn't even respond to that, you just called Nick a fed... when all of these guys are funded by a man with these intelligence connections. These other billionaires are also military contractors.

I believe that Trump is a nationalist and I think that the US and the West will be materially better of with him in the White house but that should not blind us to the fact that there is a hostile take over going on of the right by these billionaires who are jewish, gay, immigrants and everything else but Christian.

In 4 years when Trump is out that is who we are left with.
JD Vance. Who Nick has said really disgusting things about him and his family.

Vance is a Marine who grew up poor and has done amazing things. Unlike pussy trust fund nick.
It is obvious that you strongly dislike Nick, you insult him in every post you make here, and I'm not trying to make you like him but he is the largest political persona that talks about the above information and that is not "counter signaling Trump".
You can get the same info from Whitney Webb without the abrasive character. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/0...hind-trumps-vp-pick-its-worse-than-you-think/


The guy is a political commentator, all he is worth is his political analysis. If he was presenting himself as a role model for how to life your life then these critiques of his personal character and demeanor would be more relevant but that's not what he's doing.
Haha wait a second.... Isn't he giving advice on marriage and dating and all of that?

You can't set say he's a political commentator only when he delves into these other areas.
 
The discussion of Nick being a Fed comes up quite often, so why the heck have I never heard of any of these things?

I would have thought people would be posting these quite frequently in discussions where people are accusing Nick of trolling/grifting/being a Fed.
Not really sure. Probably most groypers are just not interested in constantly deboonking Nick's detractors.

What does this have to do with anything? Young men have always learned from older men until their recent "OK Boomer" meme wars against their elders. As a result, Nick is a complete train wreck who is leading a disrespectful generation of boy-men that believe car mufflers were invented to amplify a cars sound instead of muffle it. "Thanks Gen Z for banging us in the ears with the sound of your car exhaust every day for the rest of our lives! So cool! It's a pleasure and an honor to be in your presence!"

"The youth" have always been horrible decision makers which is why you have to be over 35 years old to be the president of the United States and why Lewis and Clark (28 and 32 respectively) were hired to lead a group of 18 to 21 year old men on foot (and by canoe) from St. Louis to Oregon and back on a two-year journey that required the elder Lewis and Clark to punish the young men with scarring whip lashes to their backs to keep them in line. The young men did not rebel or form a mutiny but girded their loins and accepted their punishmrnt while finding a new found respect for their elder punishers and leaders Lewis and Clark. At the time, if a young man fell asleep during guard duty it was punishable by death. Now there are no consequences for bad behaviour by young men and they have taken full advantage this "freedom" by insulting and mocking their elders at every turn.

Every time I hire a Gen Z'er I have to fire them because they can't follow simple orders like "show up on time" without going into a deep vengeful depression. Gen Z is a generation that nobody ever said "no" to and as a result they are the weakest, most entitled lot of Americans to have ever been raised on this soil. Nick is a 26 year old "man" who plays video games and watches over-sexualized anime instead of crossing a continent on foot. He is a stellar example of a weak talking head who cares more about his own celebrity on Tik Tok and playing video games and watching anime than having to do any form of skilled manual labor with his hands. He rails against the jews, but he behaves just like one.
I've been nothing but polite in this thread, and here you are calling me and my entire generation "boy-men". You look back on a situation where young men where whipped and killed, and you think to yourself "ah, the good old times"? Unhinged. You hate young men and are not interested in any real discussion. You simply wish to spew bile.

I work with a lot of Zoomers and a few old men (older than 60), and we the Zoomers are very polite to them. We defer to them. Gladly so, in fact. I promise you, young men would respect you if you didn't see them as subhuman cattle, like you have clearly stated that you do. Talk about behaving just like a Jew. Have you ever even had a good faith interaction with any man under the age of 25?

Moving forward, it may be helpful to keep in mind a few powerful principles of behavioural and cognitive change. Here is one to start:

Once someone has made an irreversible decision or gone past the point of no return, it is EXTREMELY hard to make them change their mind.

For instance, people with children will tend focus on the benefits of HAVING children, whereas people who feel they 100% cannot or will not have children will tend to focus on the benefits of NOT HAVING children.

(Of course some people regret having kids and others regret never making it happen, but those tend to be the exception to the rule once enough time has passed since the crossroads event has taken place).

This example reflects a fundamental design of human psychology to help individuals be consistent and to keep a coherent sense of self.

Every human being has a fundamental need to feel and think that they are right.

Insulting others will NEVER work to influence them in reversing course on a belief. This explains in part why it seems like nobody EVER learns from arguments on MSM forums. (Online arguments on social media like facebook, IG, YouTube, X etc are 99.99% pathetic and a waste of time).

It can be *incredibly* hard for anyone to look back on a major life decision and live with the realisation that they made a mistake or didn't achieve their goals, and then accept these perceptions as being real and meaningful, as opposed to justifying them away... "Oh well, I didn't really want that thing I didn't get anyway" (sour grapes rationalisation) and "this thing I have now is what I actually wanted" (sweet lemon rationalisation).

More info on these rationalisations: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/facult...-lemons-rationalization-anticipated-electoral
This is one of the most important redpills about human nature, and it's hard to swallow, as every good redpill is. We like to think that humans are "rational", but that's a post-enlightenment myth. It's very easy to fall into the idea that if you just cook up the perfect argument, totally ironclad, backed up by cold hard data, and if you just perfectly deboonk the other guy's worldviews, his mind will be changed. That's actually very silly. Maybe if you're dealing with some high-functioning autist, he'll "look at your data" or whatever, but normal people don't work like that, they want to save face above all, and I think there's few things as embarrassing as being wrong about something.

He relegated himself to this by some of his extremely incendiary comments. Whether he was right or wrong is a different matter.
I agree that he is incredibly incendiary at times. But he didn't get banned from everything because his comments were "incendiary". He got banned from everything because he was talking about the Jews.

His association with Milo and Kanye just furthered his alienation.
His association with Kanye made him very well-known, which he wasn't before. And I don't think most people even know who Milo is.
 
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JD Vance. Who Nick has said really disgusting things about him and his family.

Vance is a Marine who grew up poor and has done amazing things. Unlike pussy trust fund nick.
That's your take away? Do you just like him because Nick dislikes him? Nick made a joke that his family is stinky because they are Indian, tasteless but who cares.

Vance is Peter Thiel's protégé and is in politics on his and Silicon valleys behalf. He was a never Trumper and is pro Israel. He is not "our guy" and this nationalist front he has up is fake.

Haha wait a second.... Isn't he giving advice on marriage and dating and all of that?

You can't set say he's a political commentator only when he delves into these other areas.
No, he states his views on those topics but he is not a manosphere guy who gives advice on how to live your live.

I'd put those topics under the umbrella of politics, and his serious view on that is identical to this forums, his jokes are not obviously.


You however have been constantly attacking his character. He is not a leader nor your role model, he is a guy with a political night show. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize his politics, just his rage bait, calling him gay and a fed.

You didn't even respond to anything I pointed out to you that his biggest opponents on the "right", that you have been posting here, are a part of a zionist network that has actual connections to intelligence agencies.
 
Those letters are fake, cannot be verified before the 6th century, and have no original Greek manuscripts to compare them to (which 100% means they are fake since all documentation was done by the Library of Alexandria, which was run by Greeks).

There is no way to confirm via this method if the letters are fake because we do not know the exact date of the destruction of the Library of Alexandria. It is a bit of a mystery, as there are six possible leads for it:

48 BC: Julius Caesar may have burned the library during his civil war in Egypt. However, some sources say the library survived and was rebuilt.
272 AD: Emperor Aurelian may have destroyed the library during his war with Zenobia.
297 AD: Diocletian may have destroyed the library.
391 AD: Christian "zealots" may have destroyed the library during the sack of the Serapeum.
400 AD: The library may have been fully destroyed around this time.
642 AD: Muslim Arabs may have destroyed the library after conquering Egypt, purging images and knowledge associated with the old world.

When it was destroyed is key for understanding what knowledge was kept until what date, which is suitable for other discussions as well as this. Some of the lost knowledge was on scrolls in other locations, but a majority of it is gone forever. There may have been more incredible detailed first-hand accounts of Christ that the world will never know about.

It appears these letters are but Catholic forgeries designed to create some kind of legitimacy of Christ's appearence to match European features. I see they are posted on the Vatican's portal, with no context: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0810.htm

I understand your skepticism of the papacy, however the history of migration patterns and genetics don't lie. European features were much more prevalent in earlier days than they are now, where some will only resurface in certain Levantines with mixed ancestry. Everyone around this area at that time, the Iudeans especially ones that were not mixed with Edomites and Canaanites (which was Christ's lineage from Abraham), would not have appeared to be an entirely swarthy people. This does not automatically mean "Blonde hair, blue eyes" as Mediterranean genetics were the most "diverse" out there with dozens of hair and eye colors.

Conversely, the oldest pictures of Christ date before the 3rd century, many of them in Rome, and one from Mt. Sinai (which preserved the tradition handed to them from prior monks): https://aleteia.org/2018/10/10/the-six-oldest-images-of-jesus

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No blonde hair or blue eyes.

The point I was making was that there are many descriptions of Christ, but the modern day jew-approved "sciences" will do anything to belittle His appearance. As you can see by that israeli funded "reconstruction" they certainly didn't hold back with giving Him a very primitive appearance which is not what He would have looked. As it stands, if Pilates letter is indeed a forgery, then there are no existing documents detailing Christ's appearance anywhere on this earth.

The earliest visual depictions of Christ reflect symbolism and cultural adaptation with no direct connection to His historical appearance. The clean-shaven Good Shepherd imagery seen in the earliest Christian art in the Dura-Europos Church in Syria evolved into the iconic bearded Christ Pantocrator with long hair during the Byzantine era, heavily influenced by Greco-Roman artistic conventions. So even that iconography there was likely culturally influenced by Hellenic and Byzantine aesthetics that were different over time and not how He actually appeared.

Here are some of the Syrian Dura-Europos depiction which predates the Mt. Sinai one:
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There is an evolution of depictions of Christ as the times change as you can see, 3rd century in the Dura Europos shows Him to be a young, clean-shaven man in a philosopher-like or Roman-orator style, with short hair and a simple tunic. This borrowed from the Greco-Roman artistic tradition, depicting Christ in a relatable, humanized form. The lack of a halo, long hair, or a beard reflects early Christians' avoidance of overly divine imagery.

As Christianity spread and became institutionalized, it adopted Byzantine imperial aesthetics, emphasizing grandeur, divinity, and authority. Byzantine emperors were often portrayed in a similar way to the Christ Pantocrator you attached above, underscoring the connection between Church and state. By this time the Church was firmly established and Christ was increasingly portrayed as a divine ruler, judge, and cosmic authority rather than just a humble teacher.

The Dura-Europos fresco reflects local artistic traditions in Roman Syria, while the Christ Pantocrator iconography developed in Constantinople, the center of Byzantine imperial and religious power.

With those differences in mind, neither the Dura-Europos depiction nor the Christ Pantocrator can be considered an entirely accurate representation of Christ’s physical appearance because both are heavily influenced by the regional, theological, and artistic norms of their respective times, and neither is a firsthand depiction created by someone who saw Christ in person.

However, if for argument's sake we are going off of chronology, the Dura-Europos frescoes (circa 235 AD) was created only about 200 years after Christ's earthly ministry. These frescoes reflects an earlier Christian tradition, likely influenced by the cultural milieu of the Eastern Mediterranean where Christ lived and taught. It predates the significant theological and monocultural shift that later shaped Byzantine iconography.

Early Christians in Dura-Europos were closer geographically and culturally to Iudea, Galilee, and the Roman provinces where Jesus lived. The imagery reflects a simpler more relatable understanding of Christ emphasizing His role as a teacher or healer. The depiction aligns more with Greco-Roman artistic conventions of portraying philosophers which may have been how early Christians wanted to depict Christ for recognition and relatability. At this time Christianity was still emerging from its Abrahamic roots where visual representations of God were avoided due to prohibition against graven images.

Remember today's "jews" (a word that didn't exist until the 1700s) are not ethnically or spiritually connected to the tribe of Judah but are descendants of Edomites, Canaanites, or other groups integrated into Judea. Ancient Israelites, Canaanites, Edomites, Moabites, and other groups in the region shared genetic ties from distant ancestors, but also had distinct tribal identities from maintaining a separate lineage.

They would not have been the same as modern populations who have undergone significant Arab, Turkic, and other non-Aryan semitic influences. Christ would not have appeared similar to modern day "Semites" because of the difference in lineage. Jacob's people were very specific about breeding. Ancient populations of Iudea had a Mediterranean appearance, which then included fairer skin tones, dark or reddish hair, sometimes golden, and many had light-colored eyes. They could even be amber light brown too, but not the deep black eyes we see now. These features were common across the eastern Mediterranean and Anatolian regions in antiquity. The preservation of the Messianic line was not merely a matter of human effort but of divine sovereignty. God’s hand guided history to ensure that the lineage remained faithful to His covenant promises.

In reality none of the letters have anything to suggest they are authentic.

If that be the case then we are left with no actual description of His appearance from the 1st century. Even if the letters could be proven true, some people may not like to take the words of virtuous pagans. Given all of the supernatural visions over the millennia, there are some that reveal these details with great description:

Saint Faustina Kowalska and the Divine Mercy

Poland 1931: Saint Faustina reported seeing Christ dressed in a white garment with His right hand raised in blessing and His left hand touching His chest, from which emanated two rays: red and pale. She described His face as light, serene, compassionate, and radiant, with piercing yet loving eyes. He had a long beard and a calm demeanor. The vision led to the famous Divine Mercy image which has become one of the most widely venerated depictions of Christ.

Sister Josefa Menendez

Early 1900s Spain: Sister Josefa reported seeing Christ repeatedly describing Him as dressed in simple, radiant robes, with His heart exposed and crowned with thorns. She often spoke of His eyes, which she described as full of love and sorrow for humanity, but radiant. Also with a long beard and simple robes.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich

Early 1800s Germany: In her extensive mystical visions Emmerich described Christ as being of striking beauty, with a noble, dignified presence. She noted his light brown to golden hair, intense light-colored eyes, tall stature, and a peaceful demeanor. Emmerich’s visions formed the basis for Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ and other works of devotional art. Modern semites are not known to be statuesque.

Saint Bridget of Sweden

1300s Sweden: In her Revelations Saint Bridget provided one of the most detailed descriptions of Christ. She described Him as having shoulder-length golden hair, a kind and symmetrical face, blue or gray eyes, and an expression full of wisdom and compassion.

Maria Valtorta

1900s Italy: In her mystical writings Valtorta described Christ as tall and noble, with light brown hair, a beard, and striking blue eyes. She emphasized His commanding yet gentle presence, and the way His gaze seemed to penetrate souls. Her visions are recorded in The Poem of the Man-God are known for their detailed narrative of Christ’s life.

Venerable Mary of Agreda

17th Century. Spain: In her work The Mystical City of God, Mary of Agreda described Christ as having a majestic appearance, golden hair and light-colored eyes. She emphasized His divine presence and perfection in both appearance and character. Mary of Agreda’s visions greatly influenced Spanish and Baroque art portraying Christ with an otherworldly beauty.

There are many, many visions, more modern ones too like the child painter Akiane's Prince of Peace that reveal a different look to Christ.

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I am assuming you believe in the primacy of Byzantine art since that is the go-to response for most of these discussions by Orthodox Christians, however that art itself was not created in a vacuum but drew heavily from Greco-Roman, Syrian, and even Persian traditions. For instance the use of halos and hierarchical scale in icons has roots in earlier Roman and Near Eastern art. Even within Orthodoxy, depictions of Christ vary across regions (e.g., Russian, Greek, and Coptic styles), showing that these images were not universally standardized.

Perhaps there is no correct image, but just as no one can 100% claim Christ had blue eyes, neither can they claim He had brown eyes.
 
This thread is extra confusing today.

This is one of the most important redpills about human nature, and it's hard to swallow, as every good redpill is. We like to think that humans are "rational", but that's a post-enlightenment myth. It's very easy to fall into the idea that if you just cook up the perfect argument, totally ironclad, backed up by cold hard data, and if you just perfectly deboonk the other guy's worldviews, his mind will be changed. That's actually very silly. Maybe if you're dealing with some high-functioning autist, he'll "look at your data" or whatever, but normal people don't work like that, they want to save face above all, and I think there's few things as embarrassing as being wrong about something.

Ah, something nice and simple.

No. Wrong. Utterly wrong.

God convinces man, nothing else.

Faith is a gift from God, and without faith, one knows nothing.

It's the prisoners dilemma, everything you know comes from people who you either trust, do not trust, or trust to lie.

Therefore, there is no perfect argument, because it's the equivalent of begging intellectually. Arguments only exist to convince yourself and understand others.

Actually convincing someone else doesn't really happen very often unless they have no attachment to bring right and are very humble.

Instead, what you see is people embarrassed by being defeated by an argument they can't answer in a way that feels like it gives them satisfaction, so they fall victim to peer pressure. Women are most affected, which is why the left targets them and relies so heavily on appearing to have superiority of numbers.

Once the lefts strength was revealed a paper tiger, their brainwashing fell like a pack of cards.

That's why they rely so much on feeding the ego, Satan knows an egocentric narcissist will never want to admit to being wrong.

It's also the greatest proof that Trump is not narcissistic like people says he is, just using LOA and positive language to help him improve.

He admitted when he was wrong, was humble and thankful for God saving him when close to death, and has chosen a quieter, more Godly demeanour when speaking, ignoring the training wheels he had before in serious cases.

This is an example of how humility can let you see that your opponent often argues against themself, s bit like chess. You have multiple factors, in this case, there is the Mainstream media one debater worships, and the woke anti-white genocide he also worships. When confronted with an attack on the latter that actually supports his point, he falls into defense mode instead of seizing and opportunity to put his opponent on the back foot.

Emotions control you, God frees you.

 
... you are calling me and my entire generation "boy-men".
This is not true. I did not call you personally a "boy-man." It would be impossible for me to do so because I did not know that you were a Gen Z'er until this moment.

In addition, I have acknowledged many times here that I work "adjacent" to many good Gen Z men, but that most (51% or more) I have encountered have been socially awkward, effeminate, unskilled men who have a lack of awareness/consideration for others and have difficulty handling adversity and constructive criticism. The three that I have personally employed over the last 2 years did not consistently arrive to work on time and often "forgot" their schedules and so I had to fire them. This had nothing to do with our personal dynamic. Personally we got along just fine.
There are some good Gen Z men for sure...
You hate young men...
This is quite an accusation and as you can see from above it is not true. How could I hate all Gen Z men yet call some of them "good"? And this is what I'm talking about with regards to Gen Z. For men under 28 their frontal lobes aren't entirely developed and so they sometimes lead with their emotions which often yield innacurate conclusions (as seen here). You have no way of knowing who I hate and why and yet you make such 100% certain accusations to impinge my character simply because you don't like my writing content and style. Hate implies wanting to do physical/emotional harm to someone, and at this time in my life I have no desire to harm anyone, not even Gen Z men like Nick Fuentes who are getting rich by doing nothing.
Have you ever even had a good faith interaction with any man under the age of 25?
As stated above "of course" I have, and as can clearly be seen here, I'm having another one right now.

I'll accept your apology now for getting very important facts about my character wrong.
 
Every time I hire a Gen Z'er I have to fire them because they can't follow simple orders like "show up on time" without going into a deep vengeful depression. Gen Z is a generation that nobody ever said "no" to and as a result they are the weakest, most entitled lot of Americans to have ever been raised on this soil.
Eh, using age as an approximation of anything but cultural background is kinda strange.

I used to think I was a millennial because they called 2000 the year of the new millennium, but turns out that makes me a zoomer.

I was all of these things you describe, but in 2019 I found God, and shortly afterwards, I joined RooshV.

I got a job two years later as a social media organiser, and was late very often.

I made excuses about the bus, stayed up late repeatedly, etc. On my last day though, I was fed up with it, and managed to somehow come in to work 2 hours early.

I didn't get rewarded for it, but I was satisfied.

My next job I tried was a stint at a Chinese food factory.

I was in poor shape, and I suffered allergies back then, so the wheat flour made me cough violently, so they switched me from the dumpling section to the cold section chopping frozen meat. Then they switched me to packing boxes when I wasn't fast enough.

I grew depressed at the constant failure and quit the next morning.

I talked to my parents first thinking they might have done advice, but they didn't, just disappointment.

After that, I was sick of failing, so I tried everything, and got a role as a sales executive at a very good if brutal American firm with a focus on self improvement.

I was well dressed every day, pushed myself to stop being introverted and connect with people, and act extroverted as I could. I talked to all the other interviewees, learned what I could.

Then I went to every day of work as early as possible, to the point the boss said they should start meetings earlier in the morning.

After my first week of training, I pushed to go on a business trip.

During that business trip, I made one sale, from a guy who actually came to us because his internet deal had been cancelled.

I ended up being sent home early in the week. Come next Monday, I couldn't go into to work, because the pay came late and I was broke.

I ended up procrastinating telling them I quit in embarrassment for a week, and had to go back to drinking fluoridated water and stewing in failure.

The thing about forgiveness, it doesn't change everything at once. It's a road like any path. If you stop forgiving because it gets hard, it just gets harder.
 
That's your take away? Do you just like him because Nick dislikes him? Nick made a joke that his family is stinky because they are Indian, tasteless but who cares.

No I like a Vance and he's not a pussy like Nick.
Vance is Peter Thiel's protégé and is in politics on his and Silicon valleys behalf. He was a never Trumper and is pro Israel. He is not "our guy" and this nationalist front he has up is fake.
He's pivoted on all this clearly and thats been well documented. There's videos of Nick when he was trying to work for Ben Shapiro saying Neocon shit too. They're in this thread if you look back through it.

It's more likely a poor guy from apalachia is a nationalist than a Mexican named Fuentes who lives in liberal Chicago. Just saying ...
No, he states his views on those topics but he is not a manosphere guy who gives advice on how to live your live.

That's fine. I'm free to ridicule them all I want.
I'd put those topics under the umbrella of politics, and his serious view on that is identical to this forums, his jokes are not obviously.


You however have been constantly attacking his character. He is not a leader nor your role model, he is a guy with a political night show. I don't think I've ever seen you criticize his politics, just his rage bait, calling him gay and a fed.

You didn't even respond to anything I pointed out to you that his biggest opponents on the "right", that you have been posting here, are a part of a zionist network that has actual connections to intelligence agencies.
I can agree on the anti Zionist position and still find Nick a loathsome sabatuer... Both are possible.
 
It would be impossible for me to do so because I did not know that you were a Gen Z'er until this moment.
I have stated it multiple times throughout this thread. I was under the assumption that you had read it.
In addition, I have acknowledged many times here that I work "adjacent" to many good Gen Z men, but that most (51% or more) I have encountered have been socially awkward, effeminate, unskilled men who have a lack of awareness/consideration for others and have difficulty handling adversity and constructive criticism. The three that I have personally employed over the last 2 years did not consistently arrive to work on time and often "forgot" their schedules and so I had to fire them. This had nothing to do with our personal dynamic. Personally we got along just fine.

This is quite an accusation and as you can see from above it is not true. How could I hate all Gen Z men yet call some of them "good"? And this is what I'm talking about with regards to Gen Z. For men under 28 their frontal lobes aren't entirely developed and so they sometimes lead with their emotions which often yield innacurate conclusions (as seen here). You have no way of knowing who I hate and why and yet you make such 100% certain accusations to impinge my character simply because you don't like my writing content and style. Hate implies wanting to do physical/emotional harm to someone, and at this time in my life I have no desire to harm anyone, not even Gen Z men like Nick Fuentes who are getting rich by doing nothing.

As stated above "of course" I have, and as can clearly be seen here, I'm having another one right now.

I'll accept your apology now for getting very important facts about my character wrong.
I have a very different view of my generation's men. The overwhelming majority of Zoomers I meet are hard-working, in good shape and very respectable.

Most Zoomers are socially awkward, I will give you that, I think my generation has been castrated and stunted a great deal by varios psyops and humiliation rituals, so that's an inevitability. But I look at my peers, my coworkers, my friends, and I see good men. They work hard. They are in good shape. They are not weak, lazy or effeminate, and most certainly not entitled. You can find people with those flaws in any generation, but I have not found that they are any more common in generation Z than in others.

I'm sorry to hear you had bad experiences with some zoomer employees, but I do not think it's reasonable to think less of an entire generation because of three people.

I think the way you speak of generation Z's failings is quite uncharitable and harsh, coming not from a place of concern but of frustration. You are, in fact, as I said, spewing bile.

I do apologize if I was hasty to jump to conclusions about your character, but surely you understand why I would believe that you think very lowly of young men when you bring up a story about young men being lashed and killed by older men until they "knew their place" and say that it was a good thing and that we should bring back that attitude or spirit, of "young men should shut up and take it, whatever it is".
 
@Steady Hands I don't take pleasure in these sort of arguments but at the same time I do feel like that the sort of posts that IIMT was writing should be called out for the sake of the forum. It's very similar to why I was active on the Flat Earth thread responding to the pro-flat earth people despite the headaches it was generating because I felt like if those sort of posts don't get any pushback it will lead to a degradation of the quality of the forum. A lot of work and care went into not only recreating the sort of environment we had in the previous iteration of the forum but also improving on the flaws that existed previously. This place is one of the few parts of the internet where we can have these sort of discussions in an intelligent way and as such I feel like it would be a tragedy if this place were to sink to the same level of the typical low quality communities that proliferate the internet now. With communities this being so rare, I do feel there is a need to maintain it's integrity.

I respect this, and should have included a note to say "thank you" to all contributors here including yourself who put in volunteer work to help shape the best version of CIK that we can collectively create.
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To clarify my intentions, I felt motivated to write that post because of the thread started by FrancisK about forum negativity. I can't say what is good or not good for any particular poster to do with their own time and participation. Rather, if someone isn't enjoying their time here, this represents an opportunity to explore some possible reasons and solutions for this.

Another solution to all of this is be more liberal with permabans but my position was and is still to keep those rare. One of the flaws of the old forum is that Roosh and the other admins tended to get too trigger happy with the bans and that is something I think this forum has improved on. Instead, I have advocated for discussion even if those can get heated like in the case with IIMT because though these sort of back and forths degrades the quality of a thread I still think it's superior to either 1) lowering the threshold for permabans or 2) letting low quality posters post their material unchallenged.

On the last point of low quality black pill posts or posts that resemble Fedbait; when I argue against the people who are making these posts it is not so much to convince the other person (which as you said is often futile) but rather because there's other members of this community watching and if these sort of posts remained unchallenged it can lead to people being influenced in a manner that is detrimental to them which in turn would also lower the quality of the forum. IIMT claimed he was mentoring younger guys on this forum and that he was giving them the true red pill so that they wouldn't cuck themselves into impotence by voting, joining a church (which according to him are only social clubs), having a family (since they'll likely go bankrupt unless they already had six gorllion dollars in savings) and that nothing can save this country unless a Hitler like figure rises up that will either kick out all non-whites or reduce them to a slave class. This isn't an exaggeration, it's something he has posted in the literal sense as can been seen here (https://christisking.cc/threads/nick-fuentes-thread.128/page-22#post-71037)

I actually IIMT think is delusional about people seeing him as some sort of figure to aspire to but the point remains that people of all sorts of reading this forum and looking for guidance here and the type of posts IIMT makes is going put the wrong ideas into people's minds: namely that everything is hopeless and time is running out and the only solution is to **REDACTED**

Some solid points here. Keep up the good work.

@Steady Hands You're right brother it did become redundant but even if it gets to the point where I'm not trying to actually compel the guy I'm arguing with anymore there are young men here who look for guidance and the things he says and the attitude he has towards life in general needs to be knocked down. I could go at it with him in 20 different threads, usually I just shake my head at my monitor and let it go but sometimes it's just too much.

There will always be somebody, even if it's one person, that will tell you what you want to hear. It's a lot easier to be pessimistic than it is to be optimistic, it's entirely possible there were a few guys going to him for advice just because he was enabling their feelings of hopelessness......which is dangerous.

The more strong Christian men we have walking this earth the better, despair is worthless. Even worse if you start taking that despair as your identity and turn it into something positive in your mind.

Thanks for letting me know how you think about the situation. Ultimately only you can decide what is valuable or not for your own purpose and meaning. I just hope my post was useful for you to consider in some way.

I appreciate your efforts in fighting against despair and championing hope.

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This is one of the most important redpills about human nature, and it's hard to swallow, as every good redpill is. We like to think that humans are "rational", but that's a post-enlightenment myth. It's very easy to fall into the idea that if you just cook up the perfect argument, totally ironclad, backed up by cold hard data, and if you just perfectly deboonk the other guy's worldviews, his mind will be changed. That's actually very silly. Maybe if you're dealing with some high-functioning autist, he'll "look at your data" or whatever, but normal people don't work like that, they want to save face above all, and I think there's few things as embarrassing as being wrong about something.

Good insight. I'm glad you got some value from the post.

This is an important point to consider because the vast majority of online arguments are about "owning" the other person and/or about self-elevation. Yet this simply doesn't work IF - and it's always a big IF - the intention is to actually influence the other person.

IMO a more compelling case for explaining the motivations underlying arguments is that most people are not particularly driven to convince anyone else of anything. Sure, if the person says "that's a different way of approaching the topic I hadn't considered before / I was mistaken" this is a nice bonus, but only a bonus.

Instead, the primary motivation underlying these arguments is to fulfil their own personal need to feel right, smart, superior, and/or something similar. We all have these needs to certain degrees, including myself. I have to routinely stop myself from trying to "correct" others, not just online, but in person with my wife, children, etc.

While the Christian concept of pride captures more than arrogance (it reflects a rejection of God etc), the above self-serving impulses reflect such a big problem for mankind, that pride is considered to be a deadly sin.

Proverbs 16:18 NKJV
Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.

It is no coincidence that pride - and its counterpart humility - are discussed in the #1 rule of the CIK forum.

1. Be humble. Always be willing to admit that anything which relies on empirical evidence (information that derives from the senses, as opposed to that which is revealed by God) may be false or not as it appears. This does not mean one cannot have sincere beliefs, but to admit that “hey, I'm only human and I cannot know everything.” Even when there is overwhelming evidence supporting one theory, it is still going to be against the forum rules to argue in circles insisting that you are right.

When discussing any empirical topic, be humble, do not assume you have all the answers, and, even if someone is wrong, be forgiving to them because it is so easy to err with perceptions.

The forum is served better when we at least acknowledge the existence of these self-serving needs when it comes time to post.

All that said, this is still entertaining 😉



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I'll step out of this thread now and let others get it back on topic.
 
I do apologize if I was hasty to jump to conclusions about your character...
Thank you, I appreciate that.
I think the way you speak of generation Z's failings is quite uncharitable and harsh...
I see your point of view on this. Generalizations about an entire population or age group can be troublesome and in the future I will try to be more specific (and charitable) with my opinions/arguments/points.

In the interim, I'm out of this thread for a bit until I have something relevant to say about Nick Fuentes.
 
I respect this, and should have included a note to say "thank you" to all contributors here including yourself who put in volunteer work to help shape the best version of CIK that we can collectively create.
Air Force Thank You GIF by Animanias


To clarify my intentions, I felt motivated to write that post because of the thread started by FrancisK about forum negativity. I can't say what is good or not good for any particular poster to do with their own time and participation. Rather, if someone isn't enjoying their time here, this represents an opportunity to explore some possible reasons and solutions for this.



Some solid points here. Keep up the good work.





Thanks for letting me know how you think about the situation. Ultimately only you can decide what is valuable or not for your own purpose and meaning. I just hope my post was useful for you to consider in some way.

I appreciate your efforts in fighting against despair and championing hope.

Salute Honor GIF by CBS




Good insight. I'm glad you got some value from the post.

This is an important point to consider because the vast majority of online arguments are about "owning" the other person and/or about self-elevation. Yet this simply doesn't work IF - and it's always a big IF - the intention is to actually influence the other person.

IMO a more compelling case for explaining the motivations underlying arguments is that most people are not particularly driven to convince anyone else of anything. Sure, if the person says "that's a different way of approaching the topic I hadn't considered before / I was mistaken" this is a nice bonus, but only a bonus.

Instead, the primary motivation underlying these arguments is to fulfil their own personal need to feel right, smart, superior, and/or something similar. We all have these needs to certain degrees, including myself. I have to routinely stop myself from trying to "correct" others, not just online, but in person with my wife, children, etc.

While the Christian concept of pride captures more than arrogance (it reflects a rejection of God etc), the above self-serving impulses reflect such a big problem for mankind, that pride is considered to be a deadly sin.

Proverbs 16:18 NKJV


It is no coincidence that pride - and its counterpart humility - are discussed in the #1 rule of the CIK forum.



The forum is served better when we at least acknowledge the existence of these self-serving needs when it comes time to post.

All that said, this is still entertaining 😉



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I'll step out of this thread now and let others get it back on topic.



Steady you're a chill brother, I like it. I should be more like you.
 
On the last point of low quality black pill posts or posts that resemble Fedbait; when I argue against the people who are making these posts it is not so much to convince the other person (which as you said is often futile) but rather because there's other members of this community watching and if these sort of posts remained unchallenged it can lead to people being influenced in a manner that is detrimental to them which in turn would also lower the quality of the forum. IIMT claimed he was mentoring younger guys on this forum and that he was giving them the true red pill so that they wouldn't cuck themselves into impotence by voting, joining a church (which according to him are only social clubs), having a family (since they'll likely go bankrupt unless they already had six gorllion dollars in savings) and that nothing can save this country unless a Hitler like figure rises up that will either kick out all non-whites or reduce them to a slave class. This isn't an exaggeration, it's something he has posted in the literal sense as can been seen here (https://christisking.cc/threads/nick-fuentes-thread.128/page-22#post-71037)

God bless.

Amen.

Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue and if there be any praise, think on these things.

1 Timothy 5:8
King James Version
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Proverbs 29:11
King James Version
11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

Psalm 58:10
King James Version
10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Proverbs 11:10
King James Version
10 When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth: and when the wicked perish, there is shouting.

Mark 11:22-24
King James Version
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Luke 1:37
King James Version
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Sirach 3:1-11
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Duties toward Parents
3 Listen to me your father, O children;
act accordingly, that you may be safe.
2 For the Lord honors a father above his children,
and he confirms a mother’s judgment over her sons.
3 Those who honor their father atone for sins,
4 and those who respect their mother are like those who lay up treasure.
5 Those who honor their father will have joy in their children,
and when they pray they will be heard.
6 Those who respect their father will have long life,
and those who honor[a] their mother obey the Lord;
7 they will serve their parents as their masters.[c]
8 Honor your father by word and deed,
that his blessing may come upon you.
9 For a father’s blessing strengthens the houses of the children,
but a mother’s curse uproots their foundations.
10 Do not glorify yourself by your father’s dishonor,
for your father’s dishonor is no glory to you.
11 The honor of one’s father is one’s own glory,
and a mother dishonored is a disgrace to her children.
 
Perhaps there is no correct image, but just as no one can 100% claim Christ had blue eyes, neither can they claim He had brown eyes.

While certainly it is a mystery as to what Christ truly looked like, we can rule out what he did NOT look like: Oriental, Hindu, Black, etc. He was 100% a type of Caucasoid, as all Jews were in that time. The particulars of Christ's appearance aren't too important, but it is an interesting academic question.
 
I can see what Nick is doing here. All of the people who I have known to try weed in the last few months have told me they regretted it.

His content seems childish and immature, but that directly appeals to Zoomers. His blackpilling is another issue though, but I can kinda see how to most Zoomers who are addicted to the internet, porn and are lacking in hope, that is yet another thing he appeals to.



For his Blackpilling though? It's very bad.

His attitude is poisonous and should be avoided. Where Andrew Torba openly praises this, Nick acts like a child.

However, I can see the wisdom wherein, to zoomers that Nick hasn't convinced yet, their anti-Trump propaganda makes Nick look good.

It's intellectual clickbait.

The number of anti-Trump people in Europe and the UK is incredibly high thanks to superior media propaganda apparatus and the lack of Christ in many people's lives. America is much more Christian than all of Europe and the UK combined.

Nick's tactics work great for converting those in the middle, even if it's not so great if you are already rightwing.







That said, to confirm, things are good, we can see that from Trumps hard actions against Columbia. We shouldn't take Nick seriously, but instead treat him as a Jester who makes a joke out of always being unsatisfied with right-wing politics, just like JREG had the thing about always being ironic and meta-ironic.

 
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