Nick Fuentes Thread

[FrancisK]

I never told anyone else to have or to not have a family. That is a strawman. I am not comfortable doing it, if others are, then best of luck. I have said most young men cannot afford to do so, and that is true, and I know this from them talking about it and posting up the economic data.

I'm not going to sit here and dig through all your constant doom and gloom contradictory posts but regardless if you're entire schtick is that men can't have kids anymore and you love to boast about all the "young men" that come to you for guidance while also apparently thinking millions of dollars of savings isnt enough to raise kids.....yea really don't think I'm making too big of a leap there buddy even without digging up the posts,

I hope you're not doing that to them, actually I hope nobody is going to you for guidance at all, but if they are I hope that isn't what you're doing. You do want your race to survive right? Maybe not because you do like to say that you're okay with seeing the Chinese take over which is really weird....


I'm really having a hard time reconciling the concept that the way you have decided to live your life is exactly what the people you rally against want....yet you don't care and even look to spread it to others. Something deeper is up with that....

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

A lot of young men nowadays think they can't afford to start a family, IIMT does have a point there. At the same time choppa, francis and now wutang, have all made excellent counterpoints for what is possible by using brains AND brawn to make something for yourself. There is a reason people from around the world still want to come to American, despite all the evil agendas being pushed over the last few years.

The big problem with terminally online folks, even on a forum like this, is that it is very easy to only hear/see/read the things that align to your worldview. For Nick this is a HUGE problem because he has positioned himself as a thought leader but who does he follow, where does he look for examples to follow? Other online influencers or men out there actually doing things, shaping reality by their actions and creating useful products, delivering valuable services, or raising animals and growing food for their family? Sure, Nick may be helping to shift the overton window, but Biden's handlers were so bad for America that any idiot can see it plain as day.

Say what you want about Trump, but he has the stones to put himself out there and actually DO SOMETHING. He can most definitely still let us all down, his 2nd term as President just started, but at least he has come out swinging for the fences. And for that I respect him, regardless of if he is "owned" or not. There are no guarantees in life, so best maximize this reprieve in America and make smart moves while we have the chance.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

The answer to all of this can be solved with one simple question. Are you pro-White or anti-White? There is no in-between anymore. If someone is pro-White, then they are essentially aligned, for all intents and purposes, directly against globohomo, leftism, neocon trotskyism, boomers, zionism, and third-worldism. It is not a religious conviction but a societal and biological stance.

This goes for everyone.

You guys are riding him too hard for the family thing. I don't see him telling other men not to have families he is just talking about his own decision. This is why since this is an anonymous forum, we should not bring in personal life stories to every topic but all remain logical and rational.

Whites did not just decide to stop having families. The combined might of jewry's schemes have forced this to happen. The number one cause was war, which included all the genocide of a 99% White Europe. The after effect was feminism, race-mixing, abortion, unrestrained homosexuality pederasty, and deviancy, jewish psychiatry and synthetic petrochemical pills that destroy the mind and body, and let's not forget the worst one of all: secularism and detachment from ancestral faith while supplanting it with a zionist-friendly version, and since Whites are spiritual creatures they cannot find sustenance in fake creeds so they become dazed and confused in the annals of humanism, and other garbage cults.

The spiritual authority of the day is ultimately responsible for guiding Whites, and today the usurped spiritual throne of multiculturalism and political compromise leads Whites to destroy themselves. God and the Saints would castigate every single White man who leaves his own people for aliens out of comfort rather than suffer indignities and martyrdom even if necessary to keep his people alive. If just one soul be saved, why White man abandon their people for Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Mestizos and their women whore themselves out like war booty can only be because of a jewish soul-virus. It was cultivated in the fetid laboratory of the synagogue for centuries, festering until it was ripe for injection.

It is a raw deal for Whites right now to have large families, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. That's why I advocate collectivism. Multiple White couples should be investing in a communal land together, as in adjacent properties, rebuilding kinship with the land and local farmers, everyone having an equitable skill that they can give to one another. Sounds prehistoric and tribal, because it is! It's how God wired us to be, "kind after kind."

This is all well and good....but.... It doesnt matter what collective group you align with. At the end of the day, the facts are that action and follow through is the only thing matters.

In the Marines, my first Commanding Officer always said "don't talk about it, be about it"

Yea the world sucks for everyone, and white men are not the "in group" but you cant allow yourself to be a victim by giving up.

A lot of young men nowadays think they can't afford to start a family, IIMT does have a point there. At the same time choppa, francis and now wutang, have all made excellent counterpoints for what is possible by using brains AND brawn to make something for yourself. There is a reason people from around the world still want to come to American, despite all the evil agendas being pushed over the last few years.

The big problem with terminally online folks, even on a forum like this, is that it is very easy to only hear/see/read the things that align to your worldview. For Nick this is a HUGE problem because he has positioned himself as a thought leader but who does he follow, where does he look for examples to follow? Other online influencers or men out there actually doing things, shaping reality by their actions and creating useful products, delivering valuable services, or raising animals and growing food for their family? Sure, Nick may be helping to shift the overton window, but Biden's handlers were so bad for America that any idiot can see it plain as day.

Say what you want about Trump, but he has the stones to put himself out there and actually DO SOMETHING. He can most definitely still let us all down, his 2nd term as President just started, but at least he has come out swinging for the fences. And for that I respect him, regardless of if he is "owned" or not. There are no guarantees in life, so best maximize this reprieve in America and make smart moves while we have the chance.

You nailed it sir.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

Not trying to pile on here, but what is this third path, specifically?

The TL;DR version is that Third Positionism is essentially reactionary movement of a nationalistic ideology that emerges when traditional monarchies or other systems fail to contain the forces of capitalism, globalism, or communism. It is always regional and never something universal or "global."

When Monarchism was made obsolete by the Rothschilds funded revolutions of the 18th and 19th and early 20th centuries, the antipodal systems of Capitalism and Communism (Plutocracy and Marxism) were set up to allow a hedging of control over all territories by a series of dialectical conflicts that were pre-designed, so long as they occurred within the sphere of control. The unexpected turn came when Mussolini, demoralized after WWI, abandoned Marxian Socialism in favor of Fascism and essentially stopped its advance into the heart of Europa when he was able to gain control of Italian politics in 1922. His movement was the first that all others were inspired by, so he essentially paved the way.

There is a complex relationship between some Fascists and Monarchies. In a way Fascism seeks to preserve everything Monarchies seek to, except for a corrupt royalty. The reason why it was so easily embraced in Austria, Hungary, and Germany is because of the bumbling pompousness of the Hapsburgs and their betrayal of their own people in the early 20th century. The Germanic kingdoms were accustomed to a type of Monarchic authoritarian rule from Charlemagne all the way back to Vercingetorix (French) and Ariovistus (German).

I wouldn't call an abstract idea of something that doesn't really exist here, a viable path. For a path to exist it must first be blazed and no one is really doing that right now.

It may not seem like a path now but that is because it is virtually proscribed in many controlled countries. It absolutely was and is and will be a part of man's history.

Here is a somewhat expanded explanation. Long post, read when you have time.

The Third Position ideology is a synthesis that seeks to break away from the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism, both of which are deeply flawed, destructive systems that have led humanity into decadence, oppression, and chaos. It is not merely an economic theory or political structure; it is an entire worldview that incorporates political, economic, genetic / national, and spiritual components. It emerged as a response to the collapse of traditional monarchy, and the chaos that ensued with the rise of globalist interests and the fracturing of national identity under liberalism and materialism.

Political Component​

The Third Position holds that traditional monarchical systems (which had maintained stability, order, and identity for centuries) were replaced by the modern nation-state structure—a system which is ultimately controlled by elites, bureaucrats, and financiers rather than the people. In the absence of monarchy, the Third Position advocates for a nationalist and corporatist system that binds the people to the state and the state to the land, with racial and cultural unity at its heart.

This political stance views democracy (as it exists in liberal capitalist societies) as a tool of manipulation by the ruling elite. The people are given the illusion of choice through elections, but in reality, the interests of global finance and transnational corporations dominate, reducing the masses to mere pawns in a game of profit and exploitation.

The Third Position rejects this system in favor of a state that is guided by national solidarity and rooted in tradition—something that safeguards the interests of the ethnic people and natural order of a society, rather than appeasing global capital.

Economic Component​

One of the key differences between the Third Position and both capitalism and communism lies in its approach to the economy. The Third Position rejects both the anarchic nature of capitalism, which commodifies human life and degrades national identity through individualism and profit maximization, and the totalitarian nature of communism, which denies individual freedom in the name of collective equality leading to authoritarianism and total state control.

In Third Position economics the individual and the community are balanced with the state where state-directed corporatism exists. This is not the fascist totalitarian corporatism that modern pundits fearmonger in their imaginations, but a middle-ground model that fosters economic autonomy for smaller local businesses while still allowing for large industries that serve the national interest. It is a moral economy that serves the people of that nation, not profits.

This concept can be seen in the economic policies of NS Germany where the state intervened to protect national interests, completely eliminate usury, and align the economy with the social and cultural needs of the people. Germany sought to free itself from the financial interests of the Rothschild banking family, which had previously controlled the Weimar Republic through its debt-based currency system. Under Weimar, the economy was ravaged by hyperinflation and the population suffered from widespread poverty, child trafficking, drugs, and every other ill under the sun. The Rothschild-controlled banking system had created an environment of moral decay making the Weimar Republic a hotbed of decadence and depravity.

By nationalizing the banking system, ceasing the inflationary practices of the past, and aligning the state’s economic policies with the interests of the people, the German government was able to stabilize the economy, build it's own national military-industrial complex, and reinvest in the cultural and moral health of the nation. National-socialism was in essence, a counterpoint to the globalist forces that sought to enslave nations through financial manipulation and debt-based control.

Hereditary/National Component​

The genetic/national component of the Third Position is inseparable from its political and economic aspects. It recognizes the importance of racial and cultural identity as the foundation for a prosperous society. The idea is that every nation has its own unique genetic, cultural, and spiritual inheritance, which must be preserved and strengthened.

In contrast to the globalism promoted by both capitalist and communist forces, the Third Position advocates for ethno-nationalism, but not in the exclusionary, "hateful" sense that modern talking heads prescribe to it. Rather, it is about creating an organic society where the people of a nation are united by shared blood, culture, and history, and work together to preserve their heritage and protect their future. This is not about division but about solidarity and cooperation for the benefit of the people, against the forces of dissolution and exploitation from the international.

In this vision nations are self-sustaining with economic, social, and cultural systems that serve the people and strengthen their sense of identity and unity. It rejects the mass immigration policies that dilute cultural heritage and genetic cohesion, instead calling for the preservation of traditional peoples and their inherent right to exist and thrive in their homelands. Therefore most Third Position movements are always natalist.

Spiritual Component​

The spiritual aspect of the Third Position is deeply rooted in Christianity, as it was the dominant spiritual force that shaped the cultures of Europe and much of the world. While the Third Position recognizes the reality of religious pluralism and tolerance in a society, it places Christianity as a foundational pillar of moral guidance and spiritual health, and some even make it law.

This is reflected in the way many Third Position movements, such as those in Italy, Spain, Greece, and Romania, adopted policies that supported and promoted Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy as integral parts of their national identities. These movements sought to re-establish Christian values as the guiding principles of their societies, rejecting the secularism and materialism of the modern world. Christ’s teachings of justice, mercy, and righteousness were viewed as the ultimate standard for governance, morality, and society. The Iron Guard (also known as the Legion of the Archangel Michael), led by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu is one of the most prominent examples of a Third Position movement.

The Third Position stands against the godlessness of globalism, Marxist materialism, and the secular humanism that has corrupted modern society. It calls for a return to spiritual principles that prioritize the well-being of the people, and rejects the satanic forces that seek to destroy traditional values and undermine Christian teachings.

Of course there are other nations and races that can apply these principles to their own heritage and their own non-Christian faiths, as some Asian and Caucasus countries have done.

Here are the main examples of nations that had third position system of governments, or third position policies:

1. Italy (1922-1943 under Benito Mussolini) - Predominantly Catholic​

2. Germany (1933-1945 under Adolf Hitler) - Catholic / Protestant split. (Social and moral policy called Positive Christianity legally protected the differences between the confessions).​

3. Spain (1939-1975 under Francisco Franco) - Catholic​

4. Greece (1936-1941 under Ioannis Metaxas) - Orthodox​

5. Portugal (1932-1968 under António de Oliveira Salazar) - Catholic​

6. Croatia (1941-1945 under Ante Pavelić) - Predominantly Catholic​

7. Norway (1940-1945 under Vidkun Quisling) - Protestant​

8. Austria (1938-1945 under Arthur Seyss-Inquart) - More Catholic less Protestant​

9. Finland (1939-1944 under Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim) - Lutheran​

10. Persia/Iran (1925-1941 under Reza Shah Pahlavi) - Shia Islam​

For context: Reza Shah Pahlavi wanted to modernize Iran along nationalist, corporatist, and protectionist lines during his rule from 1925 to 1941. While Iran was not a fascist state in the traditional sense Reza Shah's policies aligned with the Third Position in his efforts to create a strong, centralized state that was independent of foreign influence. Especially from the British and Rothschild-controlled finance.

11. Japan (1920s-1945 under Emperor Showa / Hirohito) - Shintoism​

Japan particularly during the Showa period was a militaristic and nationalist state that rejected Western liberalism and communism in favor of a state-directed economy and emperor-centric nationalism. Though Japan did not fully adopt Third Position ideology, its policies in the 1930s and 1940s were heavily influenced by corporatism and national solidarity, where it rejected both capitalist exploitation and Marxist collectivism. Of course, post-war it didn't have control over this like Germany also didn't.

12. Thailand (Kingdom of Siam, 1932-1945 under Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram) - Theravada Buddhism​

13. Rhodesia (1965-1979 under Ian Smith) - Protestant​

14. Apartheid South Africa (1948-1994) - Protestant (Dutch Reformed Church)​

15. Hungary (1930s-1944 under Miklós Horthy and the Arrow Cross Party) - Lutheran​

16. Romania (1930s-1940s under the Iron Guard and the Kingdom of Romania under King Carol II) - Orthodox​

17. Bulgaria (1934-1944 under Tsar Boris III) - Orthodox​

18. Serbia (1941-1945 under Milan Nedić and during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia) - Orthodox​

19. Egypt under Gamal Abdel Nasser (1952-1970) - Sunni Islam​

20. Palestine (Pre-1948) - Predominantly Sunni Islam, Orthodox​

Context: Pre-1948 Palestine was a land under British mandate, and the early political movements in the area were a response to both imperialist control and the rising presence of jewish settlers. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Palestinian Arab nationalist factions sought to maintain Arab dominance in the region, and they adopted a form of anti-imperialist nationalism that would later align with Third Position ideals.

21. Iraq under the Ba'athists (1968-2003) - Sunni Islam​

22. Libya under Muammar Gaddafi (1969-2011) - Sunni Islam​

23. Argentina under Juan Perón (1946-1955) - Catholic

24. Brazil under Getúlio Vargas (1930-1945) - Catholic​

Other nations in which 3rd position movements were large but limited due to being crushed by Capitalistic or Soviet influences before they could take power were: Armenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belgium under Degrelle's Rex, Russia in the 1990s, Ukraine in 1940s and 1950s, India under Bose in the 1930s and 1940s, etc. Modern days Syria before Assad departed and Iran can be considered 3rd positionist in some of their policies. North Korea would be if they weren't a Marxist-Leninist state. There is a lot of political and philosophical literature about the Third Position out there, it's worth reading as more and more people search for a way out of the dialectic maze they will stumble upon this. Ultimately it's a natural philosophy, a natural ideology, and a natural movement that people embrace to keep their own alive. It doesn't need to have an existing movement because the need for one will compel people to come together and create one when that need is great enough.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

A lot of young men nowadays think they can't afford to start a family, IIMT does have a point there. At the same time choppa, francis and now wutang, have all made excellent counterpoints for what is possible by using brains AND brawn to make something for yourself. There is a reason people from around the world still want to come to American, despite all the evil agendas being pushed over the last few years.

The big problem with terminally online folks, even on a forum like this, is that it is very easy to only hear/see/read the things that align to your worldview. For Nick this is a HUGE problem because he has positioned himself as a thought leader but who does he follow, where does he look for examples to follow? Other online influencers or men out there actually doing things, shaping reality by their actions and creating useful products, delivering valuable services, or raising animals and growing food for their family? Sure, Nick may be helping to shift the overton window, but Biden's handlers were so bad for America that any idiot can see it plain as day.

Say what you want about Trump, but he has the stones to put himself out there and actually DO SOMETHING. He can most definitely still let us all down, his 2nd term as President just started, but at least he has come out swinging for the fences. And for that I respect him, regardless of if he is "owned" or not. There are no guarantees in life, so best maximize this reprieve in America and make smart moves while we have the chance.

It is possible for some young men to do it, with great struggle. Most young men are just not going to go through great struggle, jump through a bunch of hoops to have children. And that option is only available for a small percentage of young men. There are only so many opportunities out there, and there are no longer enough for a majority of young men to take advantage of. With the increase in legal immigration, as Trump promised, this will make the situation even more dire for young men.

It isn't about whether one individual man can or cannot afford to have children. That isn't my point. It is whether or not a majority of young men can do so, and as seen by comments online, by marriage rates, by income v. COL, by increases in Nationalist organizations, and many other data points a growing number of young men cannot afford to have families. When you have millions of young men who cannot afford to have families you have a recipe for a disaster beyond human comprehension. They either all shrug and let things collapse, or they arm up and revolt, neither is good for any of us and this is a serious issue that neither party is addressing, which again is why Nationalist groups/guys like Nick are growing by leaps and bounds. This actually happened once before in history. In the 1930's, when Europe did go fascist, the USA panic and to get young men off the streets and to stop organizing fascist movements, FDR sign the New Deal to get them to work. Unless Trump is willing to do something that big, which would now also include kicking out many legal immigrants, then this thing is going to boil over.

Trump is just a Roy Cohn project. Look into who Roy Cohn is and how he crafted Trump to be a pressure release valve, just like he did McCarthy many decades ago. Trump has his 4 years to prove he is no longer a Roy Cohn project and so far, 4 days in, nothing big has changed. Getting some federal office workers to return to the office (dumb), arresting known serious criminals and deporting them, getting his EO about the 14th amendment shot down, and pardoning J6'ers, isn't a drop in the bucket v. what needs to be done to fix this country. So, we will see, I am not expecting anything out of him, which again, is why I am predicting guys like Nick will continue to grow.

 

[Blade Runner]

Say what you want about Trump, but he has the stones to put himself out there and actually DO SOMETHING. He can most definitely still let us all down, his 2nd term as President just started, but at least he has come out swinging for the fences. And for that I respect him, regardless of if he is "owned" or not. There are no guarantees in life, so best maximize this reprieve in America and make smart moves while we have the chance.

Yes, you had a good post too. Remember though, it's easy for foreigners to come to the USA and get the best of both worlds; they have the traditional society, culture and access to women and THEN they get to add on the economic part. For most men the issue is that they don't see women as being cooperative, or young, or both and thus they don't see a world where work is worth it, even if it were readily available and for good pay (it is not either).

At the end of the day, the facts are that action and follow through is the only thing matters.

I agree with this. Even if you are extraordinarily successful by most measures in the USA, which is something I can personally say at least in comparison to most, you still have to come to terms with the fact that if things aren't there for you, at a minimum you must consider alternatives. For me that has been trying to geo arb in various ways, as increasingly I don't see real value in the cost of living in the USA, and certainly the women (the bigger problem). I do see many good things about the USA still, I just stress the problems because if you've achieved a lot, it seems silly or arbitrary to have major phases of life locked out for you. One could say that this is point of view or standard driven, and I would agree. But we've been through those situations and legal realities, which make the entire thing a hard sell.

The people are given the illusion of choice through elections, but in reality, the interests of global finance and transnational corporations dominate, reducing the masses to mere pawns in a game of profit and exploitation.

Absolutely. The problem now is that only a rebuild could come close to third positionism. Which means massive disruption comes first. No one is going to approach it until at least regionalism and identity come together. And the current "USA" and its material advantages are major roadblocks to that.

They either all shrug and let things collapse, or they arm up and revolt, neither is good for any of us and this is a serious issue that neither party is addressing, which again is why Nationalist groups/guys like Nick are growing by leaps and bounds.

Yes, you are just pointing out what I see to be the inevitable. As the printing and debt attempts to save the system increase, they also bring the end nearer. Even the "solution", which is technological productivity that just blows everyone away, if it happens creates massive human problems while it "solves" things.

Trump is just a Roy Cohn project. Look into who Roy Cohn is and how he crafted Trump to be a pressure release valve, just like he did McCarthy many decades ago. Trump has his 4 years to prove he is no longer a Roy Cohn project and so far, 4 days in, nothing big has changed.

This is the one place where IIMT and I largely disagree.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Yes, you had a good post too. Remember though, it's easy for foreigners to come to the USA and get the best of both worlds; they have the traditional society, culture and access to women and THEN they get to add on the economic part. For most men the issue is that they don't see women as being cooperative, or young, or both and thus they don't see a world where work is worth it, even if it were readily available and for good pay (it is not either).

I agree with this. Even if you are extraordinarily successful by most measures in the USA, which is something I can personally say at least in comparison to most, you still have to come to terms with the fact that if things aren't there for you, at a minimum you must consider alternatives. For me that has been trying to geo arb in various ways, as increasingly I don't see real value in the cost of living in the USA, and certainly the women (the bigger problem). I do see many good things about the USA still, I just stress the problems because if you've achieved a lot, it seems silly or arbitrary to have major phases of life locked out for you. One could say that this is point of view or standard driven, and I would agree. But we've been through those situations and legal realities, which make the entire thing a hard sell.

Absolutely. The problem now is that only a rebuild could come close to third positionism. Which means massive disruption comes first. No one is going to approach it until at least regionalism and identity come together. And the current "USA" and its material advantages are major roadblocks to that.

Yes, you are just pointing out what I see to be the inevitable. As the printing and debt attempts to save the system increase, they also bring the end nearer. Even the "solution", which is technological productivity that just blows everyone away, if it happens creates massive human problems while it "solves" things.

This is the one place where IIMT and I largely disagree.

Great post. But don't take my word for it. Research Roy Cohn's history with Trump, start with who he was and how he and Trump became entangled and how Trump was later bailed out, even after Cohn was dead and gone.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

 

[homersheineken]

You are questioning things I have answered over and over. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because you don't want to believe what I have to say. Why that is, is a very curious point, but I suppose you will not state it.

I would say having $5,000,000 in net worth is still poor in 2025 USA. It isn't enough to quit working and have a family and afford them a good life and start at things. That $5,000,000 would go very quickly. Probably need around $10,000,000 before I would consider someone well off.

My only guess is you think Trump boomer-tier conservatism is going to win out. I am very confident Nick style Nationalism will replace conservatism, as it did all across Europe in the 1930's.

$5m == $300K/yr salary @ 6% interest which is pretty standard.

If you can't live on $300k/year, you suck at life.

You should stop giving advice to anyone, especially young people.

Go work on yourself before you become a life coach.

Unless your goal is to teach people to troll, then I'd say you're quite adept.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

$5m == $300K/yr salary @ 6% interest which is pretty standard.

If you can't live on $300k/year, you suck at life.

You should stop giving advice to anyone, especially young people.

Go work on yourself before you become a life coach.

Unless your goal is to teach people to troll, then I'd say you're quite adept.

$300,000 a year isn't a lot in a large swath of this country and as time passes forward, it will continue to be less and less. If you are retirement age and don't have more than a decade or two to live and you have good insurance, this is a lot of money. If you are in your 40's and want to tap out, it will get stretched thin as you get older.

Unless there is some major move to the right to save the middle class, which seems unlikely, soon that $300,000 will be getting you by. Of course, you will not have all $5,000,000 invested into assets that return liquid dividends, such as a house or land, so that will cut down on actual income each year, meaning you will likely need to see some of these investments off as you get older to cover higher costs due to inflation.

I personally wouldn't retire out at $5,000,000 in my 40's, it is cutting it too close, when trying to raise a family.

This like the old adage, from years ago, if I won a $1,000,000 in the lottery what would I do? It isn't enough to retire on, but I could pay off some debt and build a good nest egg and by a new car, was the old answer. With inflation, that $1,000,000 is creeping up and up.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

$300,000 a year isn't a lot in a large swath of this country and as time passes forward, it will continue to be less and less. If you are retirement age and don't have more than a decade or two to live and you have good insurance, this is a lot of money. If you are in your 40's and want to tap out, it will get stretched thin as you get older.

Unless there is some major move to the right to save the middle class, which seems unlikely, soon that $300,000 will be getting you by. Of course, you will not have all $5,000,000 invested into assets that return liquid dividends, such as a house or land, so that will cut down on actual income each year, meaning you will likely need to see some of these investments off as you get older to cover higher costs due to inflation.

I personally wouldn't retire out at $5,000,000 in my 40's, it is cutting it too close, when trying to raise a family.

This like the old adage, from years ago, if I won a $1,000,000 in the lottery what would I do? It isn't enough to retire on, but I could pay off some debt and build a good nest egg and by a new car, was the old answer. With inflation, that $1,000,000 is creeping up and up.

300k is top 5 percent of household.

That is a lot of money. There are plenty of investment vehicles that can grow in this before depletion.

Those are roles that are filled by directors and senior managers at large companies and later in their career.

A financial planner can make this money grow through compound interest sufficiently that you should have no issues surviving on this.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

300k is top 5 percent of household.

That is a lot of money.

Those are roles that are filled by directors and senior managers at large companies and later in their career.

A financial planner can make this money grow through compound interest sufficiently that you should have no issues surviving on this.

Possibly a financial planner can make it grow. On the east coast and the west coast, it isn't all that much. Where I live it is, but we know inflation is going to kick in. I would never scoff at $5,000,000 or $300,000, it is a lot of money, but I wouldn't retire on it in my 40's. Later 50's I certainly would.

 

[magoo]

$300,000 a year isn't a lot in a large swath of this country and as time passes forward, it will continue to be less and less. If you are retirement age and don't have more than a decade or two to live and you have good insurance, this is a lot of money. If you are in your 40's and want to tap out, it will get stretched thin as you get older.

Unless there is some major move to the right to save the middle class, which seems unlikely, soon that $300,000 will be getting you by. Of course, you will not have all $5,000,000 invested into assets that return liquid dividends, such as a house or land, so that will cut down on actual income each year, meaning you will likely need to see some of these investments off as you get older to cover higher costs due to inflation.

I personally wouldn't retire out at $5,000,000 in my 40's, it is cutting it too close, when trying to raise a family.

This like the old adage, from years ago, if I won a $1,000,000 in the lottery what would I do? It isn't enough to retire on, but I could pay off some debt and build a good nest egg and by a new car, was the old answer. With inflation, that $1,000,000 is creeping up and up.

With 1M you can leverage it to 5M with a bank loan. Buy a building. Get 10%/year. 500k. Pay of the debt and still have 20-30k/month without doing nothing.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

With 1M you can leverage it to 5M with a bank loan. Buy a building. Get 10%/year. 500k. Pay of the debt and still have 20-30k/month without doing nothing.

Well yea, and if your investment pays off, in due time that will grow nicely. And if it doesn't, then that leverage really bites in quickly.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Well yea, and if your investment pays off, in due time that will grow nicely. And if it doesn't, then that leverage really bites in quickly.

All investment is risk.

All forms of valuation are risk.

Having 10m in cash is still a risk.

The key to understanding money is that it is inherently worthless.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

All investment is risk.

All forms of valuation are risk.

Having 10m in cash is still a risk.

The key to understanding money is that it is inherently worthless.

Correct, at $10 million you can take on less risky investments and generate the same returns as at $5 Million. Which is why I would rather be close to $10 million while in my 40's before retiring. Obviously as time goes on, I will need less and I will have made and saved and invested more. Where does that intersect? I don't know, but older than I had originally thought.

 

[Samseau]

Has anyone hit the report button for IIMT in this thread? If you see someone trolling yet you don't hit report, then you are allowing the forum pollution to run rampant.

I don't read this thread, as Fuentes doesn't interest me. However, enough noise has been made to bring this thread to my attention and IIMT is getting a month ban. Reasons: denial of reality, low quality posting, bad faith posting, off-topic derails. I think I also need to ban IIMT from this thread too, anytime the subject of WN comes up he can't help but troll and spam the board 24/7 with garbage posts.

Pretty amazing how someone with millions in the bank and works nonstop can make 10+ posts a day in a single thread. I also question the sanity of those who keep arguing with him, he's obviously not well upstairs. Just hit the report and move on fellas.

IIMT, this is the second time I've had to ban you like this. Last time was in the Patriot Front thread, and this time you've trolled nonstop in this thread for several weeks. You clearly didn't take the warning I gave you last time very seriously, so that's why your ban will be longer this time. I think the extended break will do you some good. This stuff isn't healthy for you, assuming you are a real person and not a fed. I don't think you are a fed, just a very troubled man.

 

[FrancisK]

Has anyone hit the report button for IIMT in this thread? If you see someone trolling yet you don't hit report, then you are allowing the forum pollution to run rampant.

I don't read this thread, as Fuentes doesn't interest me. However, enough noise has been made to bring this thread to my attention and IIMT is getting a month ban. Reasons: denial of reality, low quality posting, bad faith posting, off-topic derails. I think I also need to ban IIMT from this thread too, anytime the subject of WN comes up he can't help but troll and spam the board 24/7 with garbage posts.

Pretty amazing how someone with millions in the bank and works nonstop can make 10+ posts a day in a single thread. I also question the sanity of those who keep arguing with him, he's obviously not well upstairs. Just hit the report and move on fellas.

IIMT, this is the second time I've had to ban you like this. Last time was in the Patriot Front thread, and this time you've trolled nonstop in this thread for several weeks. You clearly didn't take the warning I gave you last time very seriously, so that's why your ban will be longer this time. I think the extended break will do you some good. This stuff isn't healthy for you, assuming you are a real person and not a fed. I don't think you are a fed, just a very troubled man.

I think the problem is that we genuinely care about our brothers in Christ here, I think most of us anyway. Nobody reported because none of us saw it as trolling we saw it as someone we wanted to help, even if it was tough love. Is it wrong and does it hurt the forum that we're still trying to give him the benefit of that doubt even though none of it makes sense? I don't know....

 

[Get2choppaaa]

 

[Giordano Bruno]

This is a really long post, so I've shoved it all into spoilers. Here you go.

Spoiler: Abridged by Spoiler

But what have YOU done about it?

Do you have a farm? Are you self reliant? Do you know how to do Country boy stuff?

I sure do and I use my job to invest in my home and lifestyle and homestead....

This is like listening to a quadriplegic talk about running marathons

"Arbeit macht frei!'

That's actually kinda impressive.

It brings up something I hadn't considered before actually.

Why don't we invest in each other?

Andrew Torba said we should build parallel communities, and from your posts here, and judging by your success in these ventures, you are damn well worth investing in.

That's how you build a parallel community after all.

Good networking.

We mentioned "It is my Time", verifying his wealth in person before, does anyone want to meet up. I may have to be disqualified because of my visit to Rotherham even if nothing came of it, but if nothing else, I really want to visit a gun range in the future. We have some where I live, but England just isn't the same. What's the point if you can't take a drum mag AA12 and blow up tannerite?

Please give us an example of what sort of advice you give to these guys. It would do a lot to dispel the notion that you are a pure doomposting blackpiller.

This is actually a very good point. Well, not surprising you've been on the ball lately, but my point is, if "It is my Time" has useful advice, why withhold it?

It wouldn't be worth it to me. I'm not sure why you are arguing this point, it has been talked about more than enough. The debate is if boomer-tier conservatism will win or Nick Fuentes' style Nationalism

Why not? Do you consider us enemies, some people here are boomers and Gen X or millennials, I and Powerhouse are Zoomers, I'm 24, just a month away from being 25.

Please point out where I said anything about which political system is better. I didn't mention anything about any form of conservatism in my post. Yes I am instead making the posts about you. It is personal in the sense that they are about you but I do not write for the main purpose of attacking you but rather I am writing because I think that there's lots of aspects of your personality that makes everything you write about what's going on society to be suspect.

This is something we have to address. I can understand IIMT being demoralised, but lying, if he is actually lying is very questionable on a Christian forum. It is not unfair for us to expect some gesture of good faith and respect.

How about this, I am 24, so there's a fair chance of I met IIMT in person he could lead to me to believe his claims are true even if they are not.

If he is lying, he has less to fear from a British person who legally can't carry a gun. How does that sound IIMT?

Want to meet up? Your neuroses remind me of myself, and my studies of the Law of Assumption by Neville Goddard, so I find myself curious.

I would say having $5,000,000 in net worth is still poor in 2025 USA. It isn't enough to quit working and have a family and afford them a good life and start at things. That $5,000,000 would go very quickly. Probably need around $10,000,000 before I would consider someone well off.

Poverty is defined by lack.

I would say atheists are poor because they lack faith in God, and we are told faith is a gift.

I'm terms of material, if you can afford food and shelter with decent security, and can provide good education to your children and opportunities for development and work, you are not poor.

That very rarely exceeds an income of 100,000 if you are willing to sacrifice luxuries and have people you can trust.

If course, the discrimination against white people does exist, but in America it is not nearly as bad when the South is so full of white people, and when moving states is at least possible without abandoning your home.

In Britain, it's different, and as a mixed race person I am probably privileged in ways I don't realise as someone the Jews actively think are not a threat, or less of a threat than whites.

Funnily enough, the most competent people at my workplace are white. The quickest promotion I ever saw was from a white French man, who apparently did one of those street musician gigs to travel throughout France. Guy was the frankest person I've ever known when it came to his own death. He has a written will and everything. But then riding a motorcycle is probably more dangerous than the Africans.

My only guess is you think Trump boomer-tier conservatism is going to win out. I am very confident Nick style Nationalism will replace conservatism, as it did all across Europe in the 1930's.

Firstly, did you read what he said?

Secondly, why are you acting look Boomers are your enemy not Jews?

There is some valid criticism of Boomers and really every generation, primarily that Jewish media brainwashed people more effectively until very recently.

Yet you have right here a Boomer who despite being raised on MK Ultra style Television designed to brainwash him, was not broken nor bent.

Have a little faith in God, he will lead all Christians to the truth, no matter who or what they are.

Trump is also not Boomer tier conservatism.

We have just seen proof that is false.

His first day in the second term has seen him do things that republicans in Congress would never ever do, that in his previous term, nearly all of them prevented and fought against, and that Democrat staffers lied and claimed he wasn't allowed to do to stall him.

If Trump was no threat to Jews, why would every single one of his staff have needed to lie to him, every single General needed to deceive him in his first term, to stop him from doing things for years he is now accomplishing in years?

Do you not get it yet?

Trump was afraid of death. When I said I contemplated, even attempted suicide by jumping off a bridge on July 12th, then rejected it as ungodly and asked God for courage against themselves filthy demons raising my fist at the sky, Trump doing the exact same after being hit in the ear by a bullet that should have killed him was no damn coincidence.

Trump is not afraid of Jews anymore!

Why do you think he promised to end Usury?

He wanted to shock them! To taunt them! To prove his courage once again for us all to see!

He was promising God's judgement.

He is a flawed man, but like David and Abraham, his faith in God has saved him.

Look at the recent controversy.

Elon is Gen X, and Barron Trump is a Zoomer.

They played the media perfectly. Distracted them, trolled them, attacked their credibility and reputation, while giving us a bit of revenge over the lefts gaslighting and promoting National Socialism all at the same time.

Then there's JD Vance who is a millennial. Funnily enough, just realised millennials he's the least based of the four.

You don't answer anything. You'll just re-direct everything to somehow "so does this mean you think Trump can save us" "do you think your boomer takes will win" "do you think this will solve the white population collapse" even when none of those things are brought up. In previous posts on this thread I asked you to give an example of what sort of advice you are giving to the people supposedly PMing you. You also haven't disputed anything I've written about how your personality quirks are extremely unusual and that based on that your judgement is going to be questionable. I'm assuming your response to this will be "Are you saying Trump is going to be able to save the white race?" or something to that effect.

Did I quote these in the wrong order? Oops?

Anyway, RooshV literally gave advice on his blog, we all know good advice is both useful and worth it's weight in gold, so why withhold it?

What is an example of advice I give? One common question I get is what podcasts I listen to, so I send them links and offer to discuss it with them.

So?

Give us the links then? Heck, I'm even kinda interested in Nicks podcasts. Supposedly clippers take him out of context, but his own twitter posts on X don't seem that great. He has good points, but horrible use of the carrot and stick.

Admittedly, that makes sense if he's still in the mindset of *every news outlet has poisoned the well on him so his endorsements gave the opposite effect.

I suppose I am unusual. I have no desire to be a slave or raise kids without a plan for them in a society that is and sick and evil as our society is. Most people I come across are looking for the next instant gratification to relieve them of their very stressed out lives. I have no desire to live like that.

You do realise there are plenty of communities in the south that are still old fashioned and good right?

Heck you should be creating your own. Like Andrew Torba said, a Parallel Society of Christians. There are plenty of Christian Zoomers, and are you are successful so mentoring them to improve their finances and defeat addictions should be easy.

Turn inwards, your problems lie within, not without.

They all do.

Heck, just join the Amish if you want. You are rich enough to practically buy a village of land for them if you want the space to live in a farm by yourself as well.

YES! You are unusual. You're finally understanding what we are saying.

He's still being pedantic about it though, claiming that addiction to instant gratification means you'll have a family, when in reality it's the opposite.

It's mostly left wing porn addicts who don't have families, and in some cases don't work.

Among the right wing, there are those who genuinely don't want a family, with or without reason, those who do but can't, those who are too disgusted by modern women, and those who do and are very happy about it.

It should be pretty obvious at this point, unless you genuinely don't want a family, in which case, fine, virginity is not a bad thing, just remember, God told us to be fruitful, so don't discourage those who do want a family.

And not well adjusted to what MOST men want. You're desire to have this perfect scenario is a fear based mentality.

There is no perfect scenario anyway, only God is good.

The problem is not that Nick does have some astute points, the problem is that he's incapable of being satisfied when good thing happen until some radical change happens.

I'm convinced he's manifesting at this point.

The whole, not being satisfied when you get part of what you want is a very common topic on the 4chan X/ LOA threads, and it does explain a lot about the guy.

Him not working out? He just doesn't want to. The Feds not hitting him over Jan 6? He prayed to God to save him.

There was even a guy claiming he was behind the Israeli's getting exposed for bombing children in Palestine thing, but I'm doubtful of that, maybe the 4chan X/ LOA thread is all in my head. The people there never respond to my posts.

You can call everything you don't like Boomer ideology. It's really quite irrelevant however because you're not offering anything of substance for young men to do.

Real talk, I like Boomers. The most based person I know in England is a Boomer.

Vietnam war veteran. He got bullied in the army for being a devout Christian.

When I told him about my Russian friend, he said he's a good one when I mentioned he's bipolar.

He still watches TV propaganda, but didn't bat an eye when told him Elon is owned by the Jews.

The time of cheering on small victories is long over. Either drastic things happen under Trump, or boomer-tier conservatism is dead.

No.

We just had the best possible victory.

God made the women stop talking.

For the first time in history, the left is quiet.

Trump wins an election handily, issues a series of outstanding executive orders, and you claim his message is dying while an obscure fed Captured loser is going to grow?

Also, Twitter only censoring the truth about Jews half heartedly and ineffectively. Tiktok coming back, and the left becoming utterly demoralised at a political and moral victory.

Yeah he'll get popular in the circles you follow because you're on the fringe. But people are overwhelming happy and excited by what he's foing.

To be fair, Nicks content is okay in terms of information, it's just his opinions that suck. I'm gonna watch his podcast and investigate more deeply.

You not believing or recognizing this is just further demonstration of your lack of credibility or lense regarding reality.

Perhaps this is harsh, but IIMT has already been rather clear about his biases, and resentment of boomers.

We should move on to confirming he is not lying, but just in denial or actually telling the truth now that we have proven the anomaly beyond doubt rather than wasting time.

No matter how certain we are, truth can be stranger than fiction afterall, but better to be wrong than to waste time and emotions dwelling in bad places.

"Outstanding executive orders" which are just removing criminals that we previously let run wild, and other EO's already shot down by judges.

Look IIMT. Just know that even if you are lying, I forgive you.

For I have been forgiven many a time of sins, and Jesus Christ himself was without sin, yet still chose to forgive us all. How can I judge you knowing that?

If you are not lying, then I'm really damn curious, because your situation sounds impossible to me.

Don't care about Trump or little Nicky, stop dodging like a chat bot blowing a circuit.

I am telling you directly that the way you live and who you are is EXACTLY what all those "satanic elite" want out of you.

Does that not mean anything to you at all?

No need to get frustrated, if he is lying, it is no reason to let emotions affect us, but instead he prudent. God told us we should judge righteously afterall, and be discerning.

Well it's kinda easy to replace a population when it's natives decide to not start families buddy!

Their bidding is exactly how you have decided to live your life while looking to spread to others no less.

Don't try to start a family, work like a dog but for only yourself and give up on your nationality. You could be the key note speaker at the WEF this year.

Absolutely agree.

I myself have fallen for this illusion now that I evaluate it, though part of that has been my own laziness and bad habits of social media addiction, insomnia, lack of exercise and lack of food free from seed oils or water free of fluoride.

My stint as a sales executive went badly the same day I stopped drinking fluoride free (Evian water), and drank tap water instead, and I've been mentally struggling since then.

Among other things like porn addiction, lack of going to church, lack of attempts to find a good Christian wife, and lack of prayer and reading the Bible, my faults are many. So I will not judge.

You guys are riding him too hard for the family thing. I don't see him telling other men not to have families he is just talking about his own decision. This is why since this is an anonymous forum, we should not bring in personal life stories to every topic but all remain logical and rational.

He is saying it is not safe to raise a family even if you own 5 million dollars worth in property and (presumably live in America if you have dollars).

That is utterly not true. Even in England where taxes are higher, people are poorer, and property prices are sky high even outside London you don't need a fraction of that.

The only thing you should invest in, is God with prayer and Church, and yourself with education.

No matter how poor you are, if you can educate your kids properly, they will turn out fine. Letting shame or addiction hinder that is foolish when God promises us that if we pray and believe, even a mountain can be thrown into the sea.

I never told anyone else to have or to not have a family. That is a strawman. I am not comfortable doing it, if others are, then best of luck. I have said most young men cannot afford to do so, and that is true, and I know this from them talking about it and posting up the economic data.

This is true.

However, demoralising people by lying or exaggerating the difficulty of the situation is dangerous.

This is a Christian forum. The Jews give us enough blackpills to last until next century.

We all know that God provides. This world is sick, do not live the world, for it is passing, but God alone is eternal.

Yet God still commands us to be fruitful.

A lot of young men nowadays think they can't afford to start a family, IIMT does have a point there.

Absolutely agreed. I don't, but that is probably an illusion. If I could find a humble wife, and was willing to work longer hours, I could absolutely afford a small apartment and raise a family.

For some reason I put it off while fantasising about my own dreams and hoping things would just magically get better if I prayed for it.

But that was foolishness. God tells us it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to enter the eye of a needle.

My difficulties are a blessing, and faith itself is a gift, who could be poorer than an atheist? Lacking even knowledge of God? Yet I was forgiven for atheism is desiring suicide, for being a disobedient and lazy son.

What more blessing could I need?

At the same time choppa, francis and now wutang, have all made excellent counterpoints for what is possible by using brains AND brawn to make something for yourself. There is a reason people from around the world still want to come to American, despite all the evil agendas being pushed over the last few years.

As greedy and self centered as it feels to say, I have to admit, I kinda feel like this is too difficult.

I kinda wish it were easier, but if God has not answered my prayers so, perhaps it was sinful to ask for that, and I should get on with doing instead of wanting.

For Nick this is a HUGE problem because he has positioned himself as a thought leader but who does he follow, where does he look for examples to follow? Other online influencers or men out there actually doing things, shaping reality by their actions and creating useful products, delivering valuable services, or raising animals and growing food for their family? Sure, Nick may be helping to shift the overton window, but Biden's handlers were so bad for America that any idiot can see it plain as day.

This is a good point?

What has Nick actually done?

His content appeals to Zoomers, and... That's about it? What has he accomplished specifically beyond that? Every white supremacist I see criticises him for doing the same thing he accused white supremacists of doing when he first started. "Making the whole movement look silly, and accomplishing nothing but dirtying the movement and wasting their energy."

I will not judge him for judging, but just as I judge myself for lack of results, I judge the lack of demonstrable things people can say he has done. Where are his documentaries? His books? His political victories? What major allies does he have? What has he given to his followers? What people has he sacrificed for in times of hardship? I want to know, not to judge, but to know if he is worth trusting.

For good fruit cometh from good trees, and bad fruit cometh from bad trees.

If he's really a Fed, that will probably get exposed eventually with Tulsi Gabbard as a Director of National Intelligence.

The TL;DR version is that Third Positionism is essentially

This is a very good post, I'm just quoting this to state how informative it is. Cheers.

I forget what this said.

(Okay, this is surprisingly wise from JD Vance of all people).

The guy was only recently a diehard democrat, so it'll be interesting to see how he changes over the next four years, specifically how he and his foreign wife react to the Classified documents being released.

Most of the Indians I know are either utterly honest to a fault, or narcissistic liars, few in-between. His wife seems pretty honest, so it'll be interesting to see how they react to the knowledge that immigration was the Jews chosen weapon to destroy us all.

$5m == $300K/yr salary @ 6% interest which is pretty standard.

If you can't live on $300k/year, you suck at life.

Let's be honest. With how addictions work in Satan's world, you will probably find life easier if you are poorer than that unless you are in a good Christian community or have a devout soul and strong willpower.

Less temptation from addictions and evil that way. God tells us to flee temptation, not to waste ourselves fighting it.

With 1M you can leverage it to 5M with a bank loan. Buy a building. Get 10%/year. 500k. Pay of the debt and still have 20-30k/month without doing nothing.

There are families in England living on 30k a month, albeit usually with both parents working. 90k is considered a good income for a family of 4.

That's in a country with less land, and thus much higher housing costs.

Prices for food and fuel is different, but shelter is the most important part in my opinion.

Anyway, that's the end of my post. Woah was this a long one.