Moving Abroad Before the Collapse

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Australia Sucks said:
But again there aren't enough of these women to go around for everybody. So again its the same situation as western countries that most women are not marriage material. The difference being that the minority of marriage worthy women is higher (say 10% instead of 2% or at most 5% in the west). Its honestly not that much of an improvement. Better yes, but not radically so.
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But there is enough to go around for everyone because your average secular Russian man is not going to be interested in these women. He's going after the hot blonde in makeup and heels who posts attention-seeking pictures on Instagram. And my impression is even those women in Russia or nearly any European country seem more pleasant and feminine than the obnoxious, obese ones we have to deal with here.

The situation in the US and other convert-heavy countries is that in Orthodox churches there are generally far more young men than women, except in some parishes that are more ethnic. I don't know what the ratio is in Russia without actually being there, but it can't possibly be worse than here.

And if we have 10% of women being marriageable in Russia, that IS a radical difference. Going from 2% to 10% is life-changing if you put it in perspective. To be in the top 10% in the US you have to make $150k, which is difficult but in reach for many professions. A STEM worker with a few years experience can make that. To be in the top 2% you have to make $300k which is nearly impossible for most people unless they strike it lucky as entrepreneurs. Also women's standards are lower in Russia because many of the dudes are busted as Roosh pointed out so astutely. So that $150k goes a lot further there.

Let God Arise said:
Well, look at "Muslim" Turkey...unless the guys all have a 30 notch count and the women 0...somebody's got some 'splainin' to do...
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I'm really skeptical of the surveys they used to collect this info. Are these surveys going to impoverished Islamic villages in Anatolia? Or are they being taken online by the secular Istanbul women who follow the Kardashians.
 
analyst_green said:
Also women's standards are lower in Russia because many of the dudes are busted as Roosh pointed out so astutely.
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U.S.A. is not the Netherlands, Norway or Spain. Most American dudes are pretty busted too but the main difference is there aren't that many beautiful women in the U.S.A. so you don't see them paired up with busted men (unless the dude is mega rich) like you do in Russia.
 
Australia Sucks said:
U.S.A. is not the Netherlands, Norway or Spain. Most American dudes are pretty busted too but the main difference is there aren't that many beautiful women in the U.S.A. so you don't see them paired up with busted men (unless the dude is mega rich) like you do in Russia.
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Yes, but there is a huge subset of guys in the US who are obsessed with eating healthy, working out, dressing well, and looking good. For example go to SoCal where the elite send their kids to school. At UCLA, USC, or Pepperdine hardly anyone is busted.
 
Pravoslavac said:
What a bigoted lie! Obviously you've never been there. Who's ass did you pull this out of? Rotchilds?
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Yeah seriously, some of these statistics are ridiculous. The IQ of US blacks is on average 85. Some say even closer to 90. Now compare Harlem, inner Detroit or southside Chicago to Podgorica, and it's pretty obvious which group has the lower IQ.
 
analyst_green said:
Yeah seriously, some of these statistics are ridiculous. The IQ of US blacks is on average 85. Some say even closer to 90. Now compare Harlem, inner Detroit or southside Chicago to Podgorica, and it's pretty obvious which group has the lower IQ.
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Are you using the relative state of buildings and general infrastructure as a proxy for IQ? If this is the case, then the average IQ in Montenegro might actually be lower than whats reported.
 
Wouldn't it be accurate that in many of those FSU countries you'd get a marked increase in annoying IG and prostitute/transactional types but you'd also get a major increase in marriageable women, as @analyst_green said? Most of that is due to the fact that your total pool of better looking and thing women span 18-30. There are probably 20-50x as many women that one can meet in real life daily by just walking out on the street. When you know that there is little ROI or possibility due to age gap taboos in the west, even if you see women and you don't know them they become irrelevant because so few are even worth talking to for probably 5-10 reasons. And to that (western) woman she barely sees a possible increase in her standard of living, maybe the biggest difference. The key to all of it is behavior.
 
A guy made a recent youtube video on Russia after the UK citizens were told not to go there. You can see it's great and clean, calm, quiet. A girl accompanies him and is excited, you can sense the joy and femininity in her. Who knows if its' a show but you just don't see that kind of thing commonly in the west; it really stood out. She's probably only like a 6 for there too, at best. It looks like a place one really should go to.
 
Blade Runner said:
A guy made a recent youtube video on Russia after the UK citizens were told not to go there. You can see it's great and clean, calm, quiet. A girl accompanies him and is excited, you can sense the joy and femininity in her. Who knows if its' a show but you just don't see that kind of thing commonly in the west; it really stood out. She's probably only like a 6 for there too, at best. It looks like a place one really should go to.
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It's really different depending on a place in the country, just like with pretty much all big countries. There are different regions with different cultures and levels of urbanization and impacts from immigration. Just like with the US or Brazil, pretty much. You can find quiet peaceful places and crazy ones.
 
jayco said:
Yes, exactly, cold, boring and preferably scary and "totalitarian" too :), but I question how much all of this can keep deterring those as soon as there is a carrot of low COL. Even Belarus has too many expats now, though at least those are mostly native Russian speakers and aren't wealthy. True, and the same process had happened inside the US, Latin America and even Russia, in scenic warmer regions
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Yeah I hear most Russians got priced out of Sochi and they all want to move to Krasnodar now so it too has become overpopulated. It's not even warm. The climate is comparable to New York City.
 
jayco said:
It's really different depending on a place in the country, just like with pretty much all big countries. There are different regions with different cultures and levels of urbanization and impacts from immigration. Just like with the US or Brazil, pretty much. You can find quiet peaceful places and crazy ones.
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It sounds like you've been there. Overall, do you like it / recommend it / think it's actually a viable place for more traditional living or wife?
 
Blade Runner said:
It sounds like you've been there. Overall, do you like it / recommend it / think it's actually a viable place for more traditional living or wife?
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Honestlty I think it's as good as many other places, including Canada. A lot depends on the region and the circle one finds themselves in. Say, if one looks for associates through church, a lot of places are going to be good. Russia is not the scary place the Western media portrays it to be, at the same time its not some kind paradise, more like average country with typical life's challenges. One always has to think in terms of ROI on investing huge time and effort into learning foreign language and culture, which, depending on one's natural talents, might not even end up being a very successful effort, dealing with the climate, lengthy immigration process. Life there is not easy, that's for sure. There is also that thing that wherever you go, here you are, which I think isn't always true but there is some truth to it. I think its worth looking inside yourself and asking deep questions about what is really preventing one from living the life they want,is it really the country they are in or could it be something else, like the wrong part of the country, or some grudge held, or wrong way of chosing people to associate with. No magical fixes with relocations accross the world I think.
 
FrostBITE said:
Couldn't they move further south into Abkhazia?
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Abkhazia is pretty lawless, on the level of some rough places in Latin America, though,no comparison to Sochi. One thing any real estate held there, there are no real rights to it for non-Abkhasian. Can't blame them, they can't afford to lose their little country to the wave of moneyed expats
 
analyst_green said:
Yeah I hear most Russians got priced out of Sochi and they all want to move to Krasnodar now so it too has become overpopulated. It's not even warm. The climate is comparable to New York City.
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Yes, people got priced out of Sochi, then Crimea, and Krasnodar is like working man's choce. Still very warm and sunny location by Russian climate standards, though. Various Caucasus ethnic republics, they are nicer but one really need to be of local ethnicity to live there. Belarus had also been getting a few expats, it offers more European feel to those who seek it, lower crime, milder climate and lower COL than some expensive Russian regions, cheaper way to own a 2nd home for some Russian-speaking Germans too. I was not happy to see some house prices in Belarus, more like pre 2020 rural US prices minus the acreage
 
Im currently in South East Asia as an expat with my folks. Want to do some traveling in places like Japan, Thailand, New Zealand and Eastern Europe. If I were to settle in the states, what would be the best places in your opinions?
 
jayco said:
One always has to think in terms of ROI on investing huge time and effort into learning foreign language and culture, which, depending on one's natural talents, might not even end up being a very successful effort, dealing with the climate, lengthy immigration process.
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That's correct. I've stated, as others have (and this legitimately is dependent on your success/wealth, race, height, looks, etc), that question that is really being asked here is IF you have those things in the parentheses, is the ROI really good for you, or not so much. The point is that if you have in fact "done the work" - something everyone is skeptical of on the internet and in these self help or guru guides - will you get a relatively easy return that you just won't get in the west. The reason why you won't get it in the west, again and quickly, is that you pretty much don't have access to younger women, so the whole thing for most older guys with money becomes irrelevant or a non-starter. Look up many of my posts or people who generally agree with me in the requisite threads for us spelling that all out.
jayco said:
I think its worth looking inside yourself and asking deep questions about what is really preventing one from living the life they want,is it really the country they are in or could it be something else, like the wrong part of the country, or some grudge held, or wrong way of chosing people to associate with. No magical fixes with relocations accross the world I think.
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As above, and that's why I asked, the only thing preventing any fulfillment for most men who have achieved, is getting an attractive woman that adds to your life. For most, but not all, that is a younger woman. Apart from the woman and legacy thing (a new purpose, raising kids, etc) you've pretty much done it all if you are a successful man in your 40s. Let's be honest.

There are no magical fixes to many things regarding any given man and his personality, the "but" here is that when the west does not provide women in a social contract for men, or in a historical or traditional role regarding family formation, there isn't a fix in another country per se, but one knows that his home country is void of any possibilities. That's what we're talking about here.

Even to this day, I find it hard to believe, with tech and the social media and other mind or soul viruses, that there aren't places in the world where women actually need men. And again, it doesn't count that women might "need men" when they are past the age of 33 or 35. Those are just lost or unserious women, whether it's their fault or not.
 
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