Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War
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The Ukraine war camp is a kind of irrational feminine impulse, younger and middle-aged Ukrainian women are still hating on Russia and wanting to send their remaining men to the slaughter in order to recover Donbas regions that want nothing to do with them. That was my experience recently talking with Ukrainian women in the US and Canada.
Exactly. The Donbass regions are simply relieved at this point. Ukrainian women are easily the most delusional I've ever seen and that's hard to pull off, considering what kind of nuts exist around here.
To be honest I think most of us on this forum would rather have Ukrainian illegals in the U.S.A. than H1B visa Indians.
Although to be honest I'm not sure why these Ukrainians wanted to leave Poland where they were staying legally to go live in U.S.A. illegally. Poland is a safer country than USA (from a crime perspective) at this point and living there legally and with all the government assistance (EU refugee programs) they probably would be doing just as well financially in Poland as they would in USA. Plus its less of a language and cultural difference in Poland.
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My friend recently went to Bali for vacation. He said it was full of attractive Ukrainian and Russian women. The Ukrainian and Russian women are off enjoying holidays posting about it on Instagram no doubt its all being funded by western men i.e. "sponsors" meanwhile their own men stay behind to die in the war.
A shadow fleet tanker "Koala" suffered an engine room explosion in the Baltic port of Ust-Luga.
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Explosion on Tanker Koala at Russia’s Ust-Luga Port
A fuel oil tanker reportedly sustained an explosion and partially sank at the pier in Russia's Baltic port of Ust-Luga early Sunday morning, according to Russian sources.
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Trump has supposedly secured agreement for Ukraine to give us all these rare earth resources in payment for the money we sent.
The thing is, this may be a strong bargaining chip for Trump in pushing Putin to settle for some kind of deal. Trump will tell Putin we own those rare earth resources, so Putin can't just go in and try to conquer them.
We've used troops on the ground to play the role of a tripwire in numerous places such as South Korea, where the opposing party can't just send in troops and start conquering, because then they'd be attacking the US, and nobody wants war with the US.
Now instead of putting US troops in Ukraine, Trump will have US rare earth assets in Ukraine, and will tell Putin he has to leave them alone. Putin probably won't want to cross that line.
Also, $500 billion in rare earth resources is a lot of money. It totally covers all that has been wasted on Ukraine to date. It will be interesting to see how this actually plays out.
The thing is, this may be a strong bargaining chip for Trump in pushing Putin to settle for some kind of deal. Trump will tell Putin we own those rare earth resources, so Putin can't just go in and try to conquer them.
We've used troops on the ground to play the role of a tripwire in numerous places such as South Korea, where the opposing party can't just send in troops and start conquering, because then they'd be attacking the US, and nobody wants war with the US.
Now instead of putting US troops in Ukraine, Trump will have US rare earth assets in Ukraine, and will tell Putin he has to leave them alone. Putin probably won't want to cross that line.
Also, $500 billion in rare earth resources is a lot of money. It totally covers all that has been wasted on Ukraine to date. It will be interesting to see how this actually plays out.
The offer sounds nice, but I'm not sure if it's really worth it. First of all, Zelensky is selling what he doesn't have, as the most valuable areas (resources, industries, fertile lands) are either under Russian control already, or within striking distance.
Second, the local infrastructure have been devastated, so we would have to make substantial investments in reconstruction even before we could set up "shop". Then add the corrupt nature of ukrainian politics, forever increasing the costs, as well as the risk of false flag attacks on American interests from the militiant factions, and the balance sheet doesn't look that great.
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I think this is a big mistake by Trump, if anything it reinforces Putin's position as it demoralizes Ukrainians who believed in the EU/NATO as benign freedom fighters, and Putin can also counter by saying that the resources in Ukraine belong to the Ukrainians, and that he would help them hold on to them, and will also prevent Blackrock, Monsanto and Vanguard from taking the wheat field in central Ukraine (the 4 oblasts are already spoken for).
Maybe Trump is playing 4-D chess, by exposing the Grahams and Nuland as dirty players in that game who don't give a d*** about Ukraine and Ukrainians. There is a bit of that when he talks openly of taking the oil in Syria, knowing that he wants to withdraw from there but was/is opposed by the deep state there.
According to this, "rare earths" is almost exclusively lithium & supplemental elements used to make batteries - https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...e-earths-why-does-trump-want-them-2025-02-05/
Ukraine's lithium is Australia style spodumene which has to be mined like coal which is very $$$$. Big trucks, dinamite, excavating, tunnels, etc. It won't happen anytime soon in Ukraine.
US doesn't need spodumene, it already has plenty of top quality brine in Nevada & Utah salt flats sitting untouched. brine from salt is much cheaper to extract lithium carbonate than spodumene, it's why all the most productive/profitable lithium mines are in the South American altiplano.
Albemarle is the only US company that even knows how to handle lithium extraction. Albemarle runs the Chilean brine mines & Australian spodymene mines & is probably the biggest western lithium source company. In Argentina, almost all mines are run by Asian (especially Chinese) EV producers, Chile has a state run company (via various Asians) in partnership with Albemarle & the Russians run the Bolivian side at the Uyuni flats. My point is that very few people know how to handle lithium (and supplemental "rare earth") extraction & the vast majority aren't American.
Even if somehow all ukraine's "rare earths" magically appeared at Tesla's factory tomorrow, they wouldn't have anywhere near the capacity to refine it at scale like the Chinese do & 90%+ would sit in a warehouse somewhere.
People really have 0 idea how weak & stupid USA is right now (europe is even worse). How closely all of this is tied to (modern) weapons production. Hopefully it won't take US domestic drone attacks for Americans to realize US produces no drones that even remotely compare in quality/features/etc to Chinese DJI, Autel, etc. It probably will though & by that time they'll learn the hardway they don't even make the most simple part - batteries.
Ukraine's lithium is Australia style spodumene which has to be mined like coal which is very $$$$. Big trucks, dinamite, excavating, tunnels, etc. It won't happen anytime soon in Ukraine.
US doesn't need spodumene, it already has plenty of top quality brine in Nevada & Utah salt flats sitting untouched. brine from salt is much cheaper to extract lithium carbonate than spodumene, it's why all the most productive/profitable lithium mines are in the South American altiplano.
Albemarle is the only US company that even knows how to handle lithium extraction. Albemarle runs the Chilean brine mines & Australian spodymene mines & is probably the biggest western lithium source company. In Argentina, almost all mines are run by Asian (especially Chinese) EV producers, Chile has a state run company (via various Asians) in partnership with Albemarle & the Russians run the Bolivian side at the Uyuni flats. My point is that very few people know how to handle lithium (and supplemental "rare earth") extraction & the vast majority aren't American.
Even if somehow all ukraine's "rare earths" magically appeared at Tesla's factory tomorrow, they wouldn't have anywhere near the capacity to refine it at scale like the Chinese do & 90%+ would sit in a warehouse somewhere.
People really have 0 idea how weak & stupid USA is right now (europe is even worse). How closely all of this is tied to (modern) weapons production. Hopefully it won't take US domestic drone attacks for Americans to realize US produces no drones that even remotely compare in quality/features/etc to Chinese DJI, Autel, etc. It probably will though & by that time they'll learn the hardway they don't even make the most simple part - batteries.
This is very true. Zelensky's presidential term officially ended on May 20th 2024. He still represents the Ukraine solely because he's in charge of the army. But who is he to decide what will happen with all of the Ukrainian land. He's essentially a random dude that runs the Ukrainian army. I'm sure it will be split between the US and Russia. Not necessarily a 50/50 deal, but something satisfying for both parties.
That said, I could see the US getting the majority of the land, if they sign a 200 year ban on Ukraine joining NATO or essentially say there will be no more expansion eastwards for the next couple of centuries. The Russians are probably also going to want a real clean up of the Ukraine which includes elimination of their current political corruption, the biolabs, the organ trafficking, actual nazis (not good-hearted conservative God-fearing men) etc. Even the average Russian citizen is demanding this and would prefer to remove Ukraine as a state entirely. So we'll see how things play out.
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