Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

Caduceus said:
Considering the Russians only got only 8 prisoners back, versus the 16 westerners they released, it would seem like an unfair deal unless the globohomo west paid Russia some serious extra money (or promised some other amazing concessions) to make up for the shortfall.
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It looks like half of the prisoners released from Russia, are Russians working for the west. So the exchange itself is almost equal, plus Russia is exiling some traitors, who, I guess, couldn't be locked in prison forever.


Then, You have to consider the value of each prisoner. For example: Russia gets a hitman back, while we're getting a pair of journalists and Paul Whelan.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
It looks like half of the prisoners released from Russia, are Russians working for the west. So the exchange itself is almost equal, plus Russia is exiling some traitors, who, I guess, couldn't be locked in prison forever.


Then, You have to consider the value of each prisoner. For example: Russia gets a hitman back, while we're getting a pair of journalists and Paul Whelan.
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According to that Washington Post article a total of 8 different Americans still remain in prison in Russia, so I guess Putin is hanging on to those as future bargaining chips.
 
My friend this is new advertising for Russia army.

Like I always so, Russia multicultural, multi ethnic, multi confessional country. Democratic country too. Orthodox, Jews, Muslim, Buddhist we all Russia people

Unity is our strenght.

Watch my friends.

 
TruckDriver9 said:
You have to consider the value of each prisoner. For example: Russia gets a hitman back, while we're getting a pair of journalists and Paul Whelan.
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(((journalist))) = spy

They caught one of these guys asking Russians questions about staffing shifts overnight in weapons manufacturing facilities and he was turned in to authorities after he kept badgering them with questions they were not authorized to answer.

There is no legitimate journalist from the west going to remote Russian ordnance factories during an ongoing war and asking about raw material deliveries, night shift rotations, and plant security.
 
scary_robot_music said:
Where are you getting that 1,500 to 2,000 casualties for Ukraine a day figure?
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2,000 casualties a day is the new norm from what I'm seeing as well for the Ukraine:
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Another day, and another 2,000 or more Ukrainian losses - which is now the average daily loss, which works out to 60,000 a month. With at best (and that's believing the Banderist regime) 30,000 unwilling press-ganged untrained and under-equipped conscripts to replace the losses every month.

The very high daily loss rate of artillery (41 in the latest report) and electronic warfare and counter-battery radar system (6 and 2 in the latest report) point to a much easier time for Russian artillery and drone operators, which will be reflected in even greater loss of EW and counter-battery systems - a negative feedback loop for the Ukrainians.

The loss of 38 motor vehicles and 2 HMV type vehicles vs 5 AFV/IFV/APC really underlines the lack of armoured mobility for the Ukrainian forces. 5 tank losses is a high, but that is a very small number reflecting the actual availability of tanks to the Ukrainians. Such an "infantry+technicals" with next to no artillery and air cover (the F16s will not change that reality) have much greater issues once fighting moves out of heavily industrialized and fortified urban areas as the fighting moves westwards. Perhaps that is what we are starting to see in the Pokrovsk area where the Russian progress has markedly speeded up.

The Ukrainian losses in equipment and munitions are no longer being substantially replaced by the West that has already fully rearmed the Ukrainian military twice, so the Ukrainian military capabilities are rapidly diminishing in men, equipment and material as the Russian capabilities continue to grow. An accelerating feedback loop of losses leading to more losses is now in place.

Ukrainian losses for August 4th, as reported by the Russian defence ministry:

- Sever Group (Kharkov): 190 troops, 2 HMV, 6 motor vehicles, 7 artillery pieces, 1 EW system, 1 counter-battery radar system

- Zapad Group (Luhansk area): 490 troops, 3 tanks, 3 IFV/APC, 8 motor vehicles, 9 artillery piece, 2 EW systems

- Yug Group (Donetsk north): 690 troops, 3 motor vehicles, 9 artillery pieces

- Tsetr Group (Donetsk south): 365 troops, 1 tank, 2 APC, 11 motor vehicles, 5 artillery pieces, 1 EW system, 1 counter-battery radar system

- Vostok Group (southern front): 95 troops, 1 tank, 3 motor vehicles, 4 artillery pieces, 1 EW system

- Dnepr Group: 75 troops, 7 motor vehicles, 2 artillery pieces, 1 EW system

In total: 1,905 troops (about 2,000-2,500 with undercounting: 60,000 to 75,000 a month). We seem to have hit a new normal of 2,000 to 2,500 reported losses.

5 tanks, 5 AFV/IFV/APC, 2 HMV, 38 motor vehicles; continuing transformation of the Ukrainian army into infantry plus “technicals” (pickup trucks with mounted weapons).

41 artillery pieces, the highest yet - a rate of over 1200 per month. 6 EW and 2 Counter Battery Radar systems, these very high losses point (especially in EW) to perhaps more effective Russian drone usage and will make it much easier for Russian drone operators. Such systems are complex to build and not easily replaceable.

In addition the Russians are adept at shooting down ATACMS and HIMARS missiles, as well as hunting down and destroying HIMARS systems. They are also destroying a lot of weapons dumps.
 
Seems the Ukrainians decided to continue their losing inside Russian territory. If they manage to move towards Moscow they will start losing even harder.

I have no idea how Russians tolerate the brain dead morons ruling over them. Maybe Putin can submit an application to ICC to investigate this Anglo-Saxon organized provocation. The neo-nazi UK government needs to be held accountable for their war crimes.

Now we know why Hitler lost. Blitzkrieg failed to take advantage of forest cover. No wonder Americans tried to burn the Vietnamese jungle. They don’t teach you this in school.
 
It's a desperate PR stunt that is the Ukrainians' last gasp effort to distract attention from their front collapsing in Pokrovsk and Toretsk. What is their strategic objective by attacking there, the Kursk NPP to hold it hostage? No way they get there as it's 60km inside Russia and the Russians have more or less stabilized the breakthrough and brought their reserves in the area.

According to most accounts the Ukrainians have anywhere from 1 to 4 brigades in the area. That's nowhere near enough to achieve anything tangible. The Russians will most probably contain and wipe out these forces in the next few days.

Is it embarrassing for Russia? Sure, but it's the last desperate attempt of a dying regime. This will actually accelerate the Ukrainian collapse as they are throwing some of their best brigades in a pointless attempt to grab the headlines instead of sending them to stop the breakthrough in Donbass.
 
Labienus said:
It's a desperate PR stunt that is the Ukrainians' last gasp effort to distract attention from their front collapsing in Pokrovsk and Toretsk.
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Battalion units (think 300-500 men) whittled down to platoon sized (20-30 men) elements. That is a decimated "unit" by any definition. Those left alive must be a mess. If this is true, the Pokrovsk sector is ripe.

Once Ukraine commits their alleged 2d echelon/reserve to the borderland offensive, they become decisively engaged there. That's classic time for an out of sector move, even if that's not Russia's MO to date.
 
Looking at the situation in Kursk, I can't help but to feel like I'm watching a "dumb and dumber" movie.
Russian command in this sector was clearly dumb, or even worse: they got complacent based on previous ukrainian incursions - they created a picket line of scattered outposts with no armor support and no engineering barriers whatsoever.
But the ukrainian command still managed to be even dumber. With their defenses crumbling all along the front, they decided to commit thousands of troops and hundreds of vehicles to an offensive that will not affect the course of war. At best, they can try to copy the Russian operation in the Kharkov region - carve out a piece of Russian territory and force the Russians to transfer their forces to Kursk, and try to tie them down. But how they expect to hold newly captured ground, if they can't defend themselves in the industrial grade fortifications in the Donbass, is beyond my imagination.
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
Looking at the situation in Kursk, I can't help but to feel like I'm watching a "dumb and dumber" movie.
Russian command in this sector was clearly dumb, or even worse: they got complacent based on previous ukrainian incursions - they created a picket line of scattered outposts with no armor support and no engineering barriers whatsoever.
But the ukrainian command still managed to be even dumber. With their defenses crumbling all along the front, they decided to commit thousands of troops and hundreds of vehicles to an offensive that will not affect the course of war. At best, they can try to copy the Russian operation in the Kharkov region - carve out a piece of Russian territory and force the Russians to transfer their forces to Kursk, and try to tie them down. But how they expect to hold newly captured ground, if they can't defend themselves in the industrial grade fortifications in the Donbass, is beyond my imagination.
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Because you have a third-rate army fighting against a third-rate army. One has fancy Western gadgets, the other has nuclear weapons. Aside from those aspects, they are both third-rate clearly.
 
I have to say, I now understand Ukrainian and western confidence. Seems like everyone online was wrong. They truly do lack weapons. The only thing Russia has is legacy technology from the Soviet Union that is giving them a good edge. The Ukrainians are basically outgunned. If they had the good stuff, supplied in an industrial capacity they could win. Russian general staff is about as useless as you can get, worse than DEI.

People have been talking down on all these globohomo politicians but seems like they were right. No one just has the money or is committed enough to start a war economy on behalf of Ukraine.

People talk about how drones changed warfare but in actuality the drones are just a good bandaid solution for lack of guided artillery. The reconnaissance drones is what truly shines and America has been light years ahead of the game. If the Russians didn’t have their toy drones they would be using binoculars for intelligence.

Anyway, I really hope Tehran is calling Putin to urge restraint in regards to this provocation. That’s about the only foreign policy these morons are familiar with. Hopefully in a year’s time Russia can regain these Russian settlements on their territory.
 
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dicknixon72 said:
Because you have a third-rate army fighting against a third-rate army. One has fancy Western gadgets, the other has nuclear weapons. Aside from those aspects, they are both third-rate clearly.
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Who is first or second rate? Have first or second rate armies stood toe-to-toe with either AFU or Russia? Has Russia really employed its best weapons on the front yet (especially aircraft)? Western powers have the best gadgets (maybe) and the most money (certainly), but we are not geared to deal with this level of death. Even Congress is figuring as much (below).
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‘Not prepared’: Congressional panel calls for huge defense buildup

A group of experts tasked to review America's defense strategy argued the U.S. isn't ready for threats from China and Russia.
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America’s odds of fighting a major war are the highest in 80 years, and its military isn’t prepared for one.

This was the finding of a bipartisan panel tasked by Congress to review U.S. defense strategy. Its nearly 100-page report reveals a crisis of confidence in American national security.

The commission chides a Pentagon it considers too plodding, a Congress it considers too partisan and multiple administrations it says have been too complacent to address threats from China, Russia and countries in the Middle East.

“The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago,” the report reads. “It is not prepared today.”

Every four years, Congress gathers a group of outside experts to review the country’s national defense strategy. The goal is to have an independent board assess U.S. national security like an accountant audits a company’s books. To do so, the eight commissioners spoke with lawmakers, U.S. allies, members of the administration and leaders in the Pentagon, including the secretary and deputy secretary of defense.

The report wasn’t due until the end of the year, and the panel finished early so that its findings could factor into the presidential election. Both the timing and tone are an attempt to yank public attention away from domestic issues, such as the border and the economy, said Jane Harman, a former Democratic Congresswoman from California and chair of the commission.

“Public awareness is dismal,” she said, calling America’s security threats “blinking red.”

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What state-of-the-art Russian aircraft have been kept from this war? Don't say the SU-57 because a) they've used it and b) they only made like eighteen of them.
 
No offence but what those reports mean is the United States is not prepared to wage a war of total domination and overwhelming technological superiority with a rising power AKA China or a continental war theatre. Not exactly a shocking revelation.

It’s like when people talk about some of these “rapidly developing” countries and they’re like “you won’t believe this but they’re not eating out of a dumpster anymore and have invented the wheel”. Okay, fair enough. Not sure if this is news.
 
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