Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

Zelensky is still popular in the west, NPCs continue to swallow whatever slop the mainstream serves them with no questions asked, and the boomer-conservatives idolize him. If something would to happen to him, even a genuine accident, it would be immediately used to push another $100 billion package. That's the downside - what would be the upside ?

I feel they will keep funneling money until they are absolutely sure it’s a lost cause. Western nations are just using Ukraine as a puppet state and in the end Ukraine is getting wrecked. The upside is a big middle finger to the elites and a victory for Russia.

Either way I don’t think Zelensky and his circle is making it out of this alive. They won’t be in NATO, so when their usefulness has run out the West will dump him. Then Putin seems like the type of man who gives people several chances in negotiation. He even entertained that so called rebellion from Prigozhin for a few months and then he had enough. Once the cards finally fall, I don’t see Putin forgiving Zelensky.
 
I feel they will keep funneling money until they are absolutely sure it’s a lost cause. Western nations are just using Ukraine as a puppet state and in the end Ukraine is getting wrecked. The upside is a big middle finger to the elites and a victory for Russia.

Either way I don’t think Zelensky and his circle is making it out of this alive. They won’t be in NATO, so when their usefulness has run out the West will dump him. Then Putin seems like the type of man who gives people several chances in negotiation. He even entertained that so called rebellion from Prigozhin for a few months and then he had enough. Once the cards finally fall, I don’t see Putin forgiving Zelensky.

Zelensky is not going to be killed, because he's just an insignificant tool, no sense in someone wasting a bullet on him. Most likely he will be deposed internally by Poroshenko, who is now backed by Zaluzhny, and he will just move to London or Miami. Poroshenko would essentially just be a reshuffling of the Titanic deck, because their policy won't change much, it's just that Zelensky is a spent frontman, his schtick is getting tiresome even for the slava ukraini crowd. As well Zelensky is associated with Syrsky aka "General 200", who is a disliked loser (as opposed to Zaluzhny, who is a likeable loser.)
 


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I feel they will keep funneling money until they are absolutely sure it’s a lost cause. Western nations are just using Ukraine as a puppet state and in the end Ukraine is getting wrecked. The upside is a big middle finger to the elites and a victory for Russia.

Either way I don’t think Zelensky and his circle is making it out of this alive. They won’t be in NATO, so when their usefulness has run out the West will dump him. Then Putin seems like the type of man who gives people several chances in negotiation. He even entertained that so called rebellion from Prigozhin for a few months and then he had enough. Once the cards finally fall, I don’t see Putin forgiving Zelensky.

Zelensky is not going to be killed, because he's just an insignificant tool, no sense in someone wasting a bullet on him. Most likely he will be deposed internally by Poroshenko, who is now backed by Zaluzhny, and he will just move to London or Miami. Poroshenko would essentially just be a reshuffling of the Titanic deck, because their policy won't change much, it's just that Zelensky is a spent frontman, his schtick is getting tiresome even for the slava ukraini crowd. As well Zelensky is associated with Syrsky aka "General 200", who is a disliked loser (as opposed to Zaluzhny, who is a likeable loser.)
I think that one day Zelensky will run away from ukraine - he'll go on an extensive international tournee, during which he will have to prolong - for a completely phony reason like, for example, previously undiagnosed heart condition - his stay in the US indefinitely. Either that, or the ukrainians themselves will finish him first.
 
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I really don't get why the Russians allow NATO planes to conduct ISR support for Ukrainian long range attacks on Crimea and their Black Sea fleet. They can easily shoot these planes down. Maybe they'll start doing that after the elections in November.
The only reason why those planes and drones operate with such impunity is the fact that NATO is not a direct party to this conflict - the west remains insulated, hidden behind a proxy. Shooting down an unarmed, neutral (de jure) plane flying over international airspace would be equal to a Russian declaration of war against NATO - and some might say that the presence of those planes is a provocation aimed at achieving exactly this result. It's not really that different from the situation in the Red Sea, where Iranian assets provide intelligence for the Houthis, and yet US forces do not touch them for fear of escalation.
That doesn't mean that there's nothing that Russia can do - they could, and should, behave in a more assertive way: sending interceptors to scare, harass and ultimately chase away NATO aircraft.
 
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Didn't You mean to write: "couldn't" ?
We've already seen, during the spring 2022 Minsk-Istambul peace talks, that Zelensky doesn't have have a final say on this - the deal was already made between Russia and ukraine, but then Boris Johnson came to Kiev and canceled it.
I mean that in the strict literal sense that I believe Putin is taking it. While DO I agree the concept of "democracy**" is simply a way of having ultimate dictatorial control over a people, even Democratic leaders have SOME sort of authority, to the degree there is any authority in the world. I mean, we all understand the US president is mostly a figurehead, but at the same time when they call him "The Leader Of The Free World" they are referring to *some* type of authority that individual holds.

(**Democracy possibly was a legitimate way of government in the ancient Greek times but that is so different from today it shouldn't even be called by the same name. Pornography in that time was carving something like 8==> into a rock, and it probably wasn't harmful either)

What Putin is saying is that Zelensky can choose to come to the table right now and stop the fighting. He doesn't. Putin is a very pragmatic man. He doesn't waste time wringing his hands over "but why doesn't he tho?", pondering contradictions or wondering about possibilities, the way so many of us, myself included, do. He doesn't speculate on "is it the Jews?" or "is the UK controlling him" or "did Kushner control Trump" or "why did Ukrainian Christians let an atheist Jew run their country?" or "why would a pretty Russian girl want to become an ugly Pussy Riot degenerate?" he simply looks at the facts and interprets them directly. What we used to call Holding Frame. Zelensky can end this war tomorrow. He chooses not to, for whatever reason.

That's actually the proper way to answer the question. The alternative would be some type of 4chan answer of "No, Zelensky is just the porn star in the green t shirt that the blood worshipping demonic cabals send to beg for money from the west, what I would really need to do to achieve peace is to infiltrate the secret societies running the world and stab them through the heart with a blessed crucifix, thus freeing the enslaved populace, and then allow the Light of Christ to spread across the Ukraine and ride bareback atop my bear proclaiming victory against evil, while I await Christ's return to earth". That just comes across as insane and provides no real path to victory. This war will end on the day the Ukrainian leader surrenders, and that is how Putin views it.
My brain really struggles to square how they have a complete Jewish dictatorship in Ukraine, and again and again I see videos of uniformed Ukrainians throwing nazi salutes. How are you a nazi fighting for a Jewish dictator? Maybe they're joking because Putin keeps calling them Nazis, so they just run with it? Wouldn't be the first time people appropriated an insult or slur and wore it with pride.

What is actually going on? Can someone with more understanding of Ukrainian culture explain this to me?
The "Nazi means an existential evil person who fundamentally hates Jewish people for no reason whatsoever and wants to genocide them" is a complete ret-conning of the actual German Socialist regime of the 1930s. In fact, no one really believed this anywhere until around 1980, when they began shaping this Holocaust narrative.

Winston Churchill, who was essentially the face of the Allied force opposing Germany (even moreso than Stalin who was the actual victor of the war, but didn't oppose Germany to the rhetorical degree England did) never mentioned the term Holocaust once in his memoirs. Because it simply didn't exist, or to the degree it did, it was just a part of the normal killings that went on everywhere, including the Allied terrorist bombings on Dresden or the nuking of civilians in Japan.

The German movement was one of nationalism and a "Germany for Germans" movement and while it is undeniable that Jews were doing truly awful things in Germany to the Germans, and you can hunt and find people making angry statements at their outrageous actions, the rejection of the Jews from Germany was, relatively speaking, one of their more mild ejections compared to the other 108 historical instances.

Historians reported that Hitler was upset by the Kristalnacht retributions against Jewish businesses as being too violent and extreme, and really just wanted to send them somewhere like Madagascar where they couldn't hurt Germans, but you are not allowed to say anything other than "Nazi was existentially evil" today so unless you find some older printed books, you won't read that.

To the degree the German National Socialist movement was an anti-Jewish movement, it was really anti-communist, without most participants (or possibly without even the leadership) understanding that anti-Communist *is* essentially and implicitly anti Jewish.

So it is completely possible to have a nationalist plus Jewish movement, or a National Socialist plus Jewish movement. I mean, that is essentially what Israel is. Israel = Nazi, although it is weird to use those terms to define it, as NAZI refers to a specific period of time and was a strictly German movement, but otherwise the statement is true.

Now, one can criticize those "Ukrainian Nazis" as not being true socialist / nationalists, but just refer to the answer below. The masses, particularly in democracies, are not logical, and are completely controlled, and have no ability to recognize cognitive dissonance.

Zelensky is still popular in the west, NPCs continue to swallow whatever slop the mainstream serves them with no questions asked, and the boomer-conservatives idolize him. If something would to happen to him, even a genuine accident, it would be immediately used to push another $100 billion package. That's the downside - what would be the upside ?
This kind of stuff did really used to bother me, but then I accepted that you cannot expect the masses to apply logic.
If the past 5 years taught me anything (BLM/Covid/Ukraine) it is that people will accept any narrative, and, as Orwell said, will quickly accept the opposite position when that becomes the new narrative. There is zero cognitive dissonance.

Just yesterday, there was some sort of brief phone outage with AT&T cell service. I don't use my telephone every day, and wouldn't have even noticed this, and even if I did, First World Problem, so what. But a friend at lunch mentioned "the Big AT&T outage" to me and I saw an MSN article on it later that afternoon. I clicked on the story and the comments were FULL of completely absurd "Russia or China did this" cringe comments. Of course, it turned out to be some sort of equipment upgrade problem (probably tied to the long term competency problem in the west) but the fact that the masses were coming up with the propaganda answers without even being fed them shows how incredibly stupid they are. All I could imagine was the guys sitting around at the CIA and laughing thinking Look! We didn't even need to spread any disinfo! The Fatmericans just organically create it on their own! (10 years ago it would have been "Mooslims are terrorizing our telephone services").

Yeah, Xi wants you to have trouble making a phone call today.
It's all so ridiculously stupid.

The mere fact that "conservatives" could like a character like Zelensky tells you everything you need to know. I mean, you can use your "logic" and ask them what is any single position he holds that appeals to you as a conservative? And of course they will have no answer other than emotion, but really you don't need to know anything about their positions to answer the question.

Here's a thought experiment. Assume you know nothing at all about their positions. Explain to me how someone who claims to be "conservative" could "like" the person on the left over the person on the right. I mean, playing devil's advocate, even if Zelensky instituted some policies that were "based" how could somewhat take that person seriously as a leader?

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The Duran posted an interview with Patrick Lancaster discussing the liberation of Avdiivka yesterday.



Lancaster is a great hands-on real reporter who has been reporting on the war at great personal risk to himself.

What really stood out was his reporting on the refugees and citizens telling him how they were glad to be on the other side of the line now, safely in Russian territory. Even those of us who are firmly in Team Russia may forget how inverted this war really is. The Ukraine forces are really the occupiers, and Russia is literally the liberator, freeing these people from tyranny. A complete inversion of what we hear in the west.

The Ukrainians on the ground are far less propagandized than the western boomer.
 
The above map is a good thing to keep in mind regarding the mindset of the populace. I have 2 American friends moving to Portugal. Fortunately, Portugal is not powerful enough today to play a large military role, and its location on the far western coast of Europe makes it strategically of lower value, but it's important to consider the retarted mindset of the populations of these countries, and how it is going to affect other issues.

It is understandable why Sweden is one of the most pro-diversity nations in Europe when you view its answers above.
Likewise Hungary is one of the most normal.

Poland is the most insane according to the chart above. So keep that in mind when you read stories about "muh based Catholic Poland" doing stuff like this:


The countries rating most blue above are the most likely to accept cow fart stories or alien landings or new pandemic propaganda.
 
The above map is a good thing to keep in mind regarding the mindset of the populace. I have 2 American friends moving to Portugal. Fortunately, Portugal is not powerful enough today to play a large military role, and its location on the far western coast of Europe makes it strategically of lower value, but it's important to consider the retarted mindset of the populations of these countries, and how it is going to affect other issues.

It is understandable why Sweden is one of the most pro-diversity nations in Europe when you view its answers above.
Likewise Hungary is one of the most normal.

Poland is the most insane according to the chart above. So keep that in mind when you read stories about "muh based Catholic Poland" doing stuff like this:


The countries rating most blue above are the most likely to accept cow fart stories or alien landings or new pandemic propaganda.
Honestly, I was surprised to see how balanced Germany's polling results were, considering their politics. I would have expected them to be up there with Sweden.
 
There are protests in the areas outside Berlin all the time, particularly in Bavaria. And 30,000 farmers came to Berlin to protest last year.
On the other hand, there are anti-AFD protests in Berlin, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dresden, and Mainz. The effects of the post-war division of the country.

The German government had to ban anti-Israel protests in November (Democracy!) because the people cannot be allowed to express their will.

Even with the massive Slavic raping in 1945 and the brainwashing put in place since then, the German spirit has not been crushed. Considering everything they have been through genetically, physically, and psychologically over the past hundred years, and seeing those polls today, it's easy to see why they were considered the ubermench.

Germany is a country under military occupation.
 
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There are protests in the areas outside Berlin all the time, particularly in Bavaria. And 30,000 farmers came to Berlin to protest last year.
On the other hand, there are anti-AFD protests in Berlin, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dresden, and Mainz. The effects of the post-war division of the country.

The German government had to ban anti-Israel protests in November (Democracy!) because the people cannot be allowed to express their will.

Even with the massive Slavic raping in 1945 and the brainwashing put in place since then, the German spirit has not been crushed. Considering everything they have been through genetically, physically, and psychologically over the past hundred years, and seeing those polls today, it's easy to see why they were considered the ubermench.

Germany is a country under military occupation.
The German in me wonders what it was like - apex Germany. The Anglo in me knows what it was like - apex America. They are both telling the Slav in me - stay alive and keep your identity. The Russia/Ukraine region of the world might be the last bastion of not fully cucked white existence. Yet they are at (((war))).

Much as Putin loves to bash nazis, he has to know what has happened to that great people since their occupation. He has watched (and often lamented) the destruction of what I would call the "decent West." He cannot afford to let Russia fall to the hands of the same people that have destroyed the West. As he says "what's the sense of a world without Russia?"
 


Seeing all the insane escalation by the NATO countries, as we see America singlehandedly ratcheting up the aggression in Korea and Taiwan, it really makes me wonder if Germany wasn't forced into a world war. That maybe all they really wanted was the Sudetenland, wanting to bring the lands of the German speaking people under the protection of Germany, because they were being attacked by foreign governments. And having no aims of world conquest or domination of all of Europe.

Was Hitler the original DeNazifier?

I mean, Russian invasion of Europe is no longer an absurd, unbelievable idea, and if it happens, it will be 100% the fault of NATO (it is still extremely unlikely).
He just wanted the Donbass you dummies.
He already has it.
And still you continue with the warmongering.
Good grief.
 


Seeing all the insane escalation by the NATO countries, as we see America singlehandedly ratcheting up the aggression in Korea and Taiwan, it really makes me wonder if Germany wasn't forced into a world war. That maybe all they really wanted was the Sudetenland, wanting to bring the lands of the German speaking people under the protection of Germany, because they were being attacked by foreign governments. And having no aims of world conquest or domination of all of Europe.

Was Hitler the original DeNazifier?

I mean, Russian invasion of Europe is no longer an absurd, unbelievable idea, and if it happens, it will be 100% the fault of NATO (it is still extremely unlikely).
He just wanted the Donbass you dummies.
He already has it.
And still you continue with the warmongering.
Good grief.


This was always going to happen. I hate to say it, but my original predictions I made on RVF are coming to complete fruition.

I said this war is the start of WW3, would last for decades or even a century, and would pull in everyone into Battlefields Uknown: Ukraine Edition.

That forever war in 1984 where people are always fighting, and nothing ever changes? This is the big one.

I said that within 5 years of the start of the war against Russia, Europe would be pulled in, because there wouldn't be enough Ukrainium cannon fodder left. Right now they are struggling to find recruits, Russia is doing a massive number on them. Must be at least 1 million dead, another 5 million wounded, for recruitment to be struggling like this.

So that leaves no choice but to start up the war machine in Europe, and no doubt all those freshly arrived migrants in the EU will be put to good use in the trenches as target dummies for Russian drones.

However, I think the EU will lose too, and within 10 years of the EU entering, they too will be losing horribly in Ukraine, so they will need to call in the USA afterwards. They won't stop, they cannot afford to lose this war. If Russia wins it's the end of the US dominance, and everyone knows it.
 
Macron is having a wobble, and other European ministers have subsequently said no way to sending troops, like Sikorsky of Poland, who is an anti-Russian hardliner. There is too much unrest across Europe already for any plan of an EU army invasion to ever gain traction. Macron also flip-flops and will soon change his position. And besides, nothing happens without the US ordering it. The US is going to keep the war on drip-feed to just beyond the election and then abandon Ukraine. This is what freaks out the Euro politicians.

The EU Borg need the war and the fear of Putin to push for an EU army. This will be funded by new war bonds that will be backstopped by a new tax on citizens. The army will not be used against Russia, but to repress EU citizens. The new EU tax, if ever implemented, will cause even more unrest and could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

All above, a summary from The Duran and Tom Luongo.
 
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