Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

[Samseau]

Prove that bringing in more middle-class people, increases COL, decreases wages, and which then causes more stress, more resentment and eventually more violence?

52% of legal immigrant households use welfare. So, we bring them here, destroy our civilization in the process, then our taxes go to pay them to exist while our roads and bridges go unmaintained and elderly people have to choose between electricity and doctor visits on their fixed income.

It's because so many illegal immigrants, who started off on welfare, have been legalized over the past 20 years and are still on welfare.

If there was an actual process that only allowed immigration through a means-tested process, such as college education or other measures, then there wouldn't be so many "legal" immigrants on welfare.

Everyone knows that legal immigration, which America had in the 1900-1930's, did not result in an explosion of welfare. These people paid their taxes and became loyal citizens.

Illegal immigration has completely poisoned the well, and should not distract from the policy of merely trying to reset the immigration system back to what it used to be.

The best solution is the one that will never happen in the current political climate, which is a total shutdown of immigration (except through marriage), so even an attempt to go back to the 1930's style immigration is a major improvement.

 

[Thomas More]

I came across this tweet that captures what I think a lot of people hope for with Trump.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I don't like this backpedaling on legal immigration that I'm seeing on here. I don't think you guys would've been making this argument 8 years ago. You might say, "well that was then but this is now." Sure, but take a minute to recognize that you are being pulled to the left anytime you capitulate like this. It's not just with legal immigration, but I've also seen it with abortion. What's next? 4 years from now, are we going to start capitulating on the queer agenda? Not me, no thanks.

Take a look at how much criticism the rabid, purple-haired leftists have for Biden. Is Biden not a leftist? Of course he is, albeit a neocon, but his handlers push a leftist agenda through him anyway. So what is the leftist's problem with Biden? It's that he isn't left enough. No one is ever communist enough for the democrats. That's why they are able to keeping shifting the Overton window to the left, they do not capitulate like republicans do. The republicans need to adopt the same mentality. They need to quit punching at their opponents and start punching through them instead. Quit capitulating and start holding your ground.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I don't like this backpedaling on legal immigration that I'm seeing on here. I don't think you guys would've been making this argument 8 years ago. You might say, "well that was then but this is now." Sure, but take a minute to recognize that you are being pulled to the left anytime you capitulate like this. It's not just with legal immigration, but I've also seen it with abortion. What's next? 4 years from now, are we going to start capitulating on the queer agenda? Not me, no thanks.

Take a look at how much criticism the rabid, purple-haired leftists have for Biden. Is Biden not a leftist? Of course he is, albeit a neocon, but his handlers push a leftist agenda through him anyway. So what is the leftist's problem with Biden? It's that he isn't left enough. No one is ever communist enough for the democrats. That's why they are able to keeping shifting the Overton window to the left, they do not capitulate like republicans do. The republicans need to adopt the same mentality. They need to quit punching at their opponents and start punching through them instead. Quit capitulating and start holding your ground.

I don't want more legal immigration.

Shut the whole thing down and close it and ship out the illegals and stop handing out green cards to people form shit hole countries.

That said.

The illegals and the border is absolutely a bigger issue than legal immigration... And politically, many still support some legal immigration.

Most are not as xenophobic as we are here unfortunately.

I disagree with the staple a green card Koch sucker commentary and Trump's gotten some shit advice if he follows that.

 

[Samseau]

I don't like this backpedaling on legal immigration that I'm seeing on here. I don't think you guys would've been making this argument 8 years ago. You might say, "well that was then but this is now." Sure, but take a minute to recognize that you are being pulled to the left anytime you capitulate like this. It's not just with legal immigration, but I've also seen it with abortion. What's next? 4 years from now, are we going to start capitulating on the queer agenda? Not me, no thanks.

Take a look at how much criticism the rabid, purple-haired leftists have for Biden. Is Biden not a leftist? Of course he is, albeit a neocon, but his handlers push a leftist agenda through him anyway. So what is the leftist's problem with Biden? It's that he isn't left enough. No one is ever communist enough for the democrats. That's why they are able to keeping shifting the Overton window to the left, they do not capitulate like republicans do. The republicans need to adopt the same mentality. They need to quit punching at their opponents and start punching through them instead. Quit capitulating and start holding your ground.

There is no capitulation, because no one here is deluded enough to believe we can save this country. There is only a cold sober reality, where the smartest of us understand we can, at best, amputate some limbs to save the rest of the body, for a little while longer.

It is 100% impossible to halt immigration, unless we have a civil war and institute a new country with a new set of laws. At least half of the country is brainwashed beyond repair, and it is foolhardy to believe it can be saved. At most it is salvageable, which is what Trump's proposals represent.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

10K Likes in less than a day on a small dissident account. Can Trump hold this rainbow coalition together while the economy melts down and Israel gets exposed as evil and then rightfully punched back?

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[Rational1]

10K Likes in less than a day on a small dissident account. Can Trump hold this rainbow coalition together while the economy melts down and Israel gets exposed as evil and then rightfully punched back?

Him and most Republicans are such a joke at this point. A few months back big bad tough border Texan Greg Abbott posted something on Twitter about Texas and India being United in business forever or something retarded to that effect. He has no idea what the best and brightest means. That wouldn’t be that bad if it was true, but like DEI the rules are used to game the system. Then you just continue to import a replacement middle class, which is mostly polytheistic, materialistic, and will work for less. It’s a CEOs dream and has the added effect of making Christians more of a minority.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Him and most Republicans are such a joke at this point. A few months back big bad tough border Texan Greg Abbott posted something on Twitter about Texas and India being United in business forever or something retarded to that effect. He has no idea what the best and brightest means. That wouldn’t be that bad if it was true, but like DEI the rules are used to game the system. Then you just continue to import a replacement middle class, which is mostly polytheistic, materialistic, and will work for less. It’s a CEOs dream and has the added effect of making Christians even more of a minority.

There are countless complaints by businesses and HR managers and IT professionals about Indians using nepotism, fake resumes, fake college achievements, and causing massive turmoil in the IT field. Former talented White workers were walked out and replaced with lower pay Indian workers and now our technology is falling behind the rest of the civilized world.

There is an entire twitter account that keeps track of these serious issues in tech that is causing the collapse of our society. Having illegal immigrants is a huge problem, but there is a case to be made that legal immigration will cause more damage due to them having more power/rights/privileges and absolutely no care or connection at all.

 

[Rational1]

There are countless complaints by businesses and HR managers and IT professionals about Indians using nepotism, fake resumes, fake college achievements, and causing massive turmoil in the IT field. Former talented White workers were walked out and replaced with lower pay Indian workers and now our technology is falling behind the rest of the civilized world.

There is an entire twitter account that keeps track of these serious issues in tech that is causing the collapse of our society. Having illegal immigrants is a huge problem, but there is a case to be made that legal immigration will cause more damage due to them having more power/rights/privileges and absolutely no care or connection at all.

A while back in my career I had an Indian colleague who suddenly put PhD behind his name in his email. To my knowledge he had been working full time at my company, and I knew a PhD while working full time was not possible in my field.

I asked him and he told me he got it at an Indian University and then added that he could talk to guy for me too. I said sure to see what the proposal was. The guy at that University asked for $5000 and to publish a few things that I could complete in 6 months and he would also grant me a PhD. He then half-jokingly said if I bought that guy a car I could get multiple PhDs.

 

[Bird]

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Pandering to Israel... Gross. We all agree.

However there will obviously be less Jews in the admin than The Biden Admin, which is filled in nearly every cabinet position by a Jew.

But anyone who leads with the "convicted felon" trope is not someone arguing on the side of intellectual honesty"

 

[Samseau]

All Trump is trying to say to these Talmuds is that, if there isn't a better deal for Americans, then someday, later this century after the nuclear wars, the survivors will put the remaining Talmuds in pograms and lead the Talmuds to the gas chambers again. Trump is trying to be their friend and prevent that, and have them spend their trillions on him, but of course it will fall on deaf ears.