Bro, denying anything about space, including the moon landings is straight retarded (though I can at least understand that one). Pick a lane people, and stay in your element. Refuting actual science is going to cause you to lose massive credibility with the normies.
You are late to the party, read the entire thread and attack the facts those of us who are questioning the narrative have posted, not make it sound like those of us who question are simply making generic "denial" accusations, because I assure you if you took the time to read through what has been posted and not been as dismissive as your reply, you would see that there is a discussion here that is being derided at every opportunity by those who simply do not want to venture down this exploration. There is abject refusal to even consider the evidence to the contrary.
You have no idea how much information we have on cosmology, and you better be prepared to back up your claims if you don't even know how to explain Newtons laws, general relativity, redshifting, etc. The only counter argument is that "it's all made up and fake" which would require a massive conspiracy by countless astronomers and cosmologers throughout human history - why would they do that? What possible financial/political gain is there to making people believe false things about the nature of the cosmos!?
I do have a modicum of an idea of how much information there is available on cosmology, both from a historically spiritual perspective of various world religions and from an evolving technological standpoint, therefore I can contribute a debatable topic and not merely an argument against a transfixed pillar of modernity for argument's sake. I have already posted what numerous ancient civilizations have believed in the cosmos in earlier pages (once again, if you took the time to read the thread you would see). These aspect of physics you mention, "netwon's laws," "general relativity," and "redshifting," among other abstract buzzwords have no basis in actual scientific merit. You believe too much kosher, here's a clip from Europe the Last Battle that exposes Einstein for the fraudulent communist that he is:
"Einstein Exposed"
Here are a couple of short clips that demonstrate lies we have been fed about the helio model:
"Nikon's Confirmation places stars within 100 miles"
The childlike argument that man went to the moon but they destroyed the technology that allowed them to have the ability to do so is such a puerile lie, anyone with a decent antenna for truth can see right through it:
"Modern Optics Reveals Sun to be Localized"
The frequency of light clearly shows the sun rolling through the clouds, The sun is a localized entity and not 93 million miles away, the early theories about luminaries being comprised of energy and not physical matter were dropped in the mainstream after the fake space race and the NASA takeover. If you understand modal vibrational phenomena, it is easy to make the distinction of the sun being a cymatic luminary with no physicality. It is also not as hot as we have been told otherwise these clouds would have been vaporized into steam and then dissipate.
"Footage of the Sun and the Moon between the Clouds on the Earth"
So objective truth is out there, but it's up to us to re-evaluate the laws of nature and figure out what we have been lied to about, or perhaps what human ignorance thinks is true but is not. The idea that the collective human consensus is absolutely correct on everything is a prideful vanity. The argument's put forth, at least on my end as a poster, are not that "everything is all made up and fake," its more humble than that. It's something many of you refuse to do: admit you've been lied to your whole lives.
Cosmology is the hardest science out there and has had more intelligent, well meaning scientists working on it than any other field in human history, and it's incorruptible. To deny cosmology is to deny physics and all observational, testable science in general.
No, cosmology is most definitely corruptible. Esoteric cults and fraternal orders who have a greater understanding of these fields certainly do not want the profane masses knowing these truths. Your beloved Isaac Newton is, like I said in a previous post, a knighted occultist freemason.
Here is a pamphlet that was written in 1898 in England during the time when most of the schools began teaching Newtonianism en-masse, I wrote it out so people can see it and not have to go find the audio:
"20 Reasons Against Newtonianism with Geographical Proofs" by Ebenezer Breach:
1. Because the earth has no axis, therefore nothing on which to revolve an imaginary mathematical line is substituted, but no solid body could revolve on an imaginary axis or line. It is an imaginary cause that can only produce an imaginary effect. So that follows such a cause, must be imaginary. If anything be placed on top of a revolving body, it will fly off at a tangent.
2. Because the earth has no orbit, it was supposed in stardate that the earth required an orbit of 600 million miles, but it was afterwards reduced to 190 million, and even 85 million, so if it had to lose 410 million miles, it might as well lose all, and say nothing about it, and we may be sure that it has no orbit, axis, or poles.
3. Because this is a system that Copernicus restarted that the assertion that "it was not necessary that the hypothesis be true, so long as the calculations agree with calculations, but we say that if the hypothesis be not true, and data correct, all mathematical calculations are nonsense and deceptions. Mathematics becomes a demonstration of the assumed, or unknown quantity.
4. Because there is but one central north star or constellation in the heavens, the diameter and circumference of the heavens are commensurate with the earth. No star has more than 90 degrees declination so there is no nadir, or point of the heavens, under our feet, and no south star or constellation or match with the globular self-center. That would have to be a star of 180 degrees declination.
5. Because we have no antipodes or colonials under our feet, if the Australians are facing the north center and the Europeans are doing the same, they stand face to face, not feet to feet like flies on the ceiling, so foolishly supposed and taught. And if people actually believe it true, none more gullible than the English people.
6. Because the earth is not an oblate spheroid as Newton foolishly imagined and hastily decided upon by the tick of his watch, it was found to have lost a few seconds near the tropics through heat relaxing the works to what it gained in Paris so the imaginative speculative philosopher sat in his armchair and there and then decided the earth a spheroid as its motion was supposed to be less of the tropics according to the tick of his watch. So all are taught to believe the spheroid ever since, the sun also is at least 2,853 miles farther from us in winter than in summer.
7. Because Newton's imagination led him to believe that if the matter of the whole earth were compressed into absolute solidity, it might be reduced to a body but a few yards in diameter and reduced to a sphere one mile in diameter, the matter in the interstice would be as 1 to 510 billion.
8. Because Newton's supposed law of gravitation was lost in the moon, Newton found that the moon ought to require 18 years to perform its revolution in the heavens, while observation showed that the revolution performed in one half of this period. He exhausted all of his skill and power to overcome the difficulty and die leaving the problem unsolved. His successor also finally abandoned the law of gravitation in despair and being incapable of explanation, a problem still unsolved, a mechanical impossibility.
9. Because the inertia of matter is the stability of the universe, therefore it is absolutely false that all particles of matter attract each other according to their size and square distance. Glass is not attracted to wood, nor cloth iron, nor cotton attract wool, nor liquids attract solids, nor does fruit attract grain.
10. Because the primitive idea of simplicity is a just one, founded in nature and adopted in reason, the real objective true science should be to make the laws of nature simple, sublime, and self-evident to the people. The Creator would not direct to a bright consideration of His works, knowing that they were inconsiderable and unapproachable, except by the very learned, who have mystified them by their outrageous mathematical calculations, General Draison rightly accuses scientific professors of arrogant and ignorant exclusiveness.
11. Because Newtonianism is entirely misleading and incorrect in picturing the orbits of the sun, moon, and planets to the uninitiated, it places the earth where the sun aught to be. In reality the moon should be placed first, as having the shortest orbit around the heavens, only 30 days. Mercury should be next, with 88 days, then Venus with 224 days, then the Sun, not the earth, with 365 and a quarter days. The motion of the sun is absolute and not apparent, as Josephus states, "it is driven along the circuit of heaven by necessity." Venus gets around quicker than the sun, and is able to be a morning or evening star. Mr. Norman Lockyear in his primer, declares the sun to be the "nearest star" so a sunny day is starshine, not sunshine.
12. Because the foundation of modern astronomy is laid on Newton's feet, the sun is the center of the solar system and immovable, but Sir William Herschel that it had a movement towards Hercules and the downfall of modern astronomy aught at once to have been announced. The late R.A. Proctor declared the motion of the sun thus "it climbs the eastern sky, slides down in the west, moves slowly towards the north quarter of the heavens, and moves away from overhead at the equator to the southern quarter of the heavens from September to December. There could be no power in the sun without motion".
13. Because the system introduces and calculates by millions, billions, and trillions of miles in distances that never existed, thus the planet Neptune is said to be 2,755,000,000 miles distant from the sun, yet it has to derive its light from the sun, and must be near it to do so. The fact is, a simple curve called the ecliptic marks out the pathway of the sun, moon, and planets among the fixed stars. They never leave this pathway, it is not 2000 miles broad, and as the sun travels at the rate of 900 miles per hour, 900 * 24 = 22,600, so that no planet can ever be farther from the sun than 25,000 miles, not even when it is 23.5 degrees to the north or south solstice. Where is their billions, millions, and trillions? Space is the extension of matter. Where matter ends, space ends.
14. Because though everything in the solar system is measured according to the assumed measurement of the sun, yet astronomers have widely differed in the measurement of that indispensable and solitary body. Pythagoras took it to be 45,000 miles distant. 2 or 3 have made a second guess after their first measurement. Sir Isaac did, and it is has been measured from 45,000 up to 112,000,000 miles distant, and all were supposed to measure by mathematical calculation. Newtonianism has an innate conception that authority ought to be silent before reason. It's prevailing philosophy is perfectly ridiculous, but prejudice, and custom throws a veil over it, and prevents its deformity from being perceived, setting aside natures facts, cocksureness is master of the field.
15. Because in meeting Professor Hagardy, one morning in Portsmith, to whom we were introduced by a scientist as the gentlemen who believed the earth to be flat, he informed us that "the astronomers have found out they have been making a mistake of 100,000,000 miles in the parallax of the sun. After informing him of my researches and measurements of the sun's distances, he remarked, "well it would all amount to the same thing, if only measured a few thousand miles distant." This professor had spent most of his life in the telescope rooms, reading our 50 scientific facts made no particular objection, but thought it was possible for a grain of dust to eclipse the town hall. When we told him how impossible it would be for eclipses to occur according to their measurement of the heavenly bodies, he was confused and amazed.
16. Because no philosopher can be considered a real astronomer without a right understanding of the physical construction of the earth and the heavens, that they are two parallels, one above the other, the two plates that the sun is not more than half the diameter of the earth, the moon, one quarter, the largest of the planets or stars not more than one hundred miles in diameter, as proved by the occultation of Jupiter, and would most probably range from 10 to one hundred miles in diameter. That the earth is ten thousand miles in diameter, not eight thousand, as that is only the length of North and South America. And what of the oceans beyond? Newton was a thoughtful scientist, but not an astronomer. Though he is by some considered as the only scientific trustee of the universe.
17. Because Newtonianism takes away the necessity of a firm crystal sky, for crystal light giving bodies to revolve upon. The sky is a fixed canopy over the earth. "You are quite right," said a jewish rabbi to me, according to the Hebrew, certain it is had there'd been revolution in the earth a globe, the jews were bound to have known it, so would the Chaldeans, and patriarchs with Adam, the first man who understood the physical construction of nature intuitively, and Josephus' assertions are dead against the astronomers.
18. Because the waterfalls of Niagara are against a revolving earth, it never turns its streams in an opposite direction but always does a constant perpendicular flow. All wells would be empty if a revolution occurred. The sands of the desert would be gone, all articles, fruit, etcetera, on the tradesman's boards would disappear in two minutes, and where would Jacob's Ladder have been, or any other ladder? No clock would give correct time, as the perpendicular action of the pendulum must not vary the one-hundredth of an inch. There could be no standing fogs with the atmosphere in motion.
19. Because whether the sun is shining and traveling in the northern or southern of its spiral course in the heavens, the moon always reflects her light the same, so the sun can never at any time be under the earth as many Newtonians suppose, but ever has its position on a parallel sky with the moon, planets, and heavenly bodies, none of which are ever more than 5 or 6 thousand miles from the earth.
20. Because the Newtonian system was introduced and supported by heathens, infidels, and skeptical astronomers, and we are compelled to acknowledge that our philosophers that have followed such a system have not taken the right road, but a road full of the brambles of stupidity, unreality, monstrosity, sheer imagination, bewildering labyrinths of calculations, stumbling over phenomena that never existed, measurements that will never be realized, with endless deceptions and contradictions, but in nature there are no contradictions. The sooner such a system is abolished as a compulsory system, the better. It will all go for smoke in that day when God restores the world now fallen with mankind into perfection. "The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved. I will re-establish it. They that will not believe, shall not be able to exalt themselves." There is a most deplorable famine of common sense on this important subject in the Universities in Greenwich also at Whitehall, consequently throughout the land. But this is the age of inquiry, and knowledge which must be true, shall be increased.
And some visuals for reference:
So keep worshiping your masonic filth and every other concocted personality from Scaligerian history that "proved" the Earth was a globe, but I don't put my faith in these liars. I don't see any non-globe detractors here refuting the horizon and perspective phenomena, nor parallax motion, nor any other number of physical phenomena which does not show a curved earth. When the argument begins to fall away from the favor of those interested in upholding the status quo of information and knowledge, they begin to panic, as I have seen in this thread and others when these conventional lies are attacked head on.
