Problem with Catholics is that they are attached to the globe model because they literally invented it. From copernecus to le Maitres and the long list of Jesuit astronomers. They are more responsible than nasa for changing the shape of the earth.
Hey not all Catholics are wanking it to Copernicus. Did you see the Heliosorcery documentary I posted earlier in the thread? There was never a referendum held in the Papal states at the time to ask the peoples if they suddenly wanted to inject some masonic gibberish into Church dogma.
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@Cooper and anyone else who is adamant about the heliocentric model. The proper term would be "level plane" earth, not "flat". Also no one has offered anything for proof of the existence of spatial curvature on the horizon. The windmill example can be easily disproved for what we are seeing, as I will explain below. Many people are confusing the horizon to be an objective state of reality, whereas the earth as the foundation of the universe, is near infinite in its space. We do not know its boundaries, and we cannot leave this earth. The horizon that we see with our own eyes is a subjective optical phenomena.
The images of the astronauts working on the space station with the earth in the background, an earth without a single one of the 20,000+ alleged satellites, no planes, and you will see bubbles come up in their videos, which means they are all in a pool in front of a green screen.
How does water convex itself? Water does not convex it always becomes level.
The catch-all people keep bring up here is (((gravity))). People in Australia are walking around upside down and trillions of tons of water are sticking to the earth upside down, because of gravity, but a bird is flying over the ocean. So gravity is so strong that it holds all this water but just weak enough that a bird can fly over the ocean, or a fish to swim through that water. It's very strange, this gravity, such a fickle thing.. Sir Isaac Newton was a knighted freemasonic occultist. Out of 550 or so "astronauts" who have "been up in space" about 94% of them are freemasons. I don't believe in gravity, I believe in God.
Water limits how far we can see. As a fluid, or any substance which flows, so does air.
Paternos, this camera proves that the windmill example is just our optical subjectivity in our own eyes not being able to see beyond a certain point:
"A tribute to the Nikon P1000"
How does this phenomena occur? The video below explains it conceptually:
"Perspectives and Horizons explained"
The perspective diagram is a first person point of view that shows that horizontal parallel lines all converge at the vanishing point on the horizon as they get further away from the observer. The lines below us appear to go up, and the lines that are above us appear to go down as they are further away. Similar to looking down a long hallway. We know that both the walls are parallel with one another just as the floor and ceiling are parallel with each other, but our eyes do not see them this way, our eyes converge them all at the horizon.
From a side angle: all the horizontal lines that are visually parallel all intersect at the horizon. It forms a right triangle. The horizonal line being at eye level, and the hypotenuse being the ground, which appears to go up to the vanishing point. They will radiate out of the horizon. Many flat-earth debunkers make presentations that show side-view lines as being parallel, when they should be making their illustrations at angled lines.
Many flat-earth debunkers will also say that the sun will never set on a flat earth, and they create side-view illustrations showing that the angle of the observer would see the sun, and that at no point would the sun ever fall below the ground. They say the same about objects on the ground that are moving further away, they say the boat will never vanish beyond the horizon. This type of illustration is completely wrong, the ceiling must be converged with the floor at eye level. They all converge at the horizon, including the ground. If the ground line is continued in this visualization, to picture a boat sailing away from the observer yet still on the "ground" even if it is beyond the observer's horizon. No observer can see the face of the ground past their horizon, but you can see things above the ground past the horizon. Hence why we see upper parts of boats, skyscrapers, windmills, or smokestacks when they are past our visual horizon yet not their lower part. The mistake is to think that these objects are "over the curvature" hence why we can't see their bottoms.
The same phenomena happens with the sun. In the side-view diagram, the sun will be on the top line of parallel lines converging at our horizon, and the observer does not see it once it goes beyond the observers horizon. An example video of an airplane at 30000 feet it shows that the sun does diminish in size as it gets further away until it hits the observer's horizon, until it vanishes. So why do we see the bottoms of buildings obscured by the horizon in pictures? The same reason why we see the sun "set". We know the distance to the horizon is an actual set distance, and the offset of that distance and what is at that point can be seen by us, until that point is further out than the horizon, wherein the ground will no longer be visible but objects above it will be.
If you zoom in on the horizon, you will not be able to see the ground any further past your horizon, only the things that are already visible will be magnified. The main issue with the globe model and this phenomena is that the buildings and structures should appear to be leaning over at an angle the further away the observer is from them. Yet they are all very straight and not slanted when zoomed in on with a camera. You will never see buildings or boats "tilt" over. The horizon will always remain at eye level, it does not fall. So reality matches with the perspective optics of a level plane, not with a round ball.
I am totally convinced that banning this subject is a mistake for true Christians. It must be investigated. To those of you saying that everyone in history knew the earth was round, this is also a hyperbole of sentimentality. There are so many level plane earth maps from many centuries:
"The Physical Planisphere of Earth" by Phil Buache, 1766:
Use your eyes, your senses, your logic. Don't fall back on institutionalized beliefs simply because they are there. If you stand on the beach, a plain or a prairie, you will find that the horizon extends about 3-6 miles around you, depending on the weather. The range of the human eye, our field of vision, is from 110 to 1 degree, and the smallest angle under which an object can still be seen, is 1/60th of 1 degree, so that when an object is 3000 times its own diameter away from an observer, it will cease to be visible.
So for example, the furthest distance at which one can see a one inch-diameter penny, is 3000 inches, or 250 feet. With the aid of the best telescopes on the clearest days, we can resolve objects a few hundred times smaller or further away.
Every lie will be exposed, it is written.
"For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." - Luke 12:2
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