The Venezuela Thread
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Why an American intervention isnt always a bad thing even if it is about oil.
So this question could also be asked of Maduro, what sins has he comitted while running Venezuela? I dont know yet who has committed sins but its not off the table at all for Christians to go to some kind of a war or to defend themselves or to even to a good deed oitside their nations, Im not an expert on this matter thats happening in Venezuela but if the accusations against Maduro are all true then capturing the man and putting him on trial is ok up until this point and to seize his assets, what gets done with those assests is another topic lets see what happens
There is the answer, actually from a couple of hours ago already. Vladimir Padrino rejects the Monroe Doctrine and states that the Bolivarian forces are activated and ready to defend Venezuela against a US invasion. Whether that is posturing and bluster for both foreign and domestic elites+ general audiences remains to be seen.
Reminder that this guy had his residence bombed yet got out unharmed. Starting to think the US targeted him specifically exactly because of his unrelenting positions, just like Israel only bombs IRGC radicals and leaves the Reformists alone.
Right now the decider is whether a deal was made and if yes who's on board with that deal. From my perspective it seems hard to believe that these supposedly hardline guys who just got nearly whacked will either 1. just give up and walk out or 2. quietly accept their new position as US quislings until they eventually and undoubtedly get phased out by a more sellable 'democratic' alternative. A second phase of the operation might be necessary.
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I've wondered that myself, but I doubt there is a different standard or rule, just greater responsibility, but sin is still sin.
Forget murder, how about bearing false witness? What if any kind of leader tells their country something they know is false, but does it with good intentions, like Maduro is a narco terrorist, when the real reason for grabbing him was simply because he was becoming too much of a threat?
Probably has a lot to do with intention and what else they are doing in relation to what's going on.
I'll play ball just for sake of devils advocate.
Prove he isnt? We know drugs have come through VZ. He's allowed it to some degree. Duck quacks enough for me.
Why is it bearing false witness to say we are removing him for that AND now going to recoup financial losses from nationalization of resources.
I sure know a Venezuelan woman (now American citizen) from my first job post Marine Corps. She sent money back home to her mom, and told me regularly how terrible the Maduro regime was.
That's an anecdote and does not proof make, but in my limited interaction she was very happy for this change of events.
As a Artilleryman and someone with some experience in the space .... This made me chuckle quite a bit.
I don't know for a fact, but I think he is complicit in the Smartmatic voting machines used to steal the election from Trump in 2020. That is an act of war right there. Of course Trump needs to be arresting a lot of people in the US for this as well as in Caracas. Some say Maduro will spill the beans on the election fraud, which will unravel the case in the US as well, and bring down all the election fraudsters.
Also, Maduro has been cooperating with Russia and China to try to arm itself against a US attack, which violates the Monroe doctrine. Finally, Venezuela nationalized property from US oil companies, which is a legitimate grievance. Then you have the drugs. I'm certain Maduro has been complicit in allowing a variety of illegal drugs to be sent from Venezuela to the US.
I think these are the major grievances that Trump can use to justify this act. Beyond that, the simple logic of Great Power politics applies. Everybody else in the world seems to be grabbing territory. The US might as well play the same game.
This would all be bonus. And if that happens maybe one day I'll "trust the plan"
Barnes seems to think the nationalization of US company investments is related to a certain US investor.
I'm not as cynical, considering the Cuba/geopolitics comments but it's good for a little bit of added flavor.
This is correct.
We boogeymanned a guy the same day the Chinese diplomats were there.
I'm not George W, but I believe that's called stategery.
Also funny
Makes Marco Rubio look almost....credible.... Gross...yuck...rallffff
Interesting thought. I remember when I asked my Sunday School teacher if war was a sin. Looking back he seemed surprised by that question coming from such a young kid and didn't appear to know how to respond. He eventually said that war was a "result of sin." For some reason that made sense to me.
Say what you will about the man...he's been doing an amazing job as foreign secretary and he's only been in the job 1 year.
I don't know that it is the case here with Maduro, but it is a hypothetical of a kind that I think often happens where leaders feel they have to tell stories that aren't true for political reasons and also because of the complexity of the truth, but they do so with good intentions.
Could Winston Churchill tell the public why or how they knew certain things about the German military in WW2 that had been [allegedly*] revealed because of them "cracking the code"? He might have to tell a tall tale, but with good intentions, in order to go with a cover story that protects national security.
*side note: I think 99.9% of "code breaking" is better explained by moles & traitors than fags and enigmas.
God allows people to be deceived, but he is perfectly and incomparably honest.
I don't think it's a sin to be silent, in fact some Saints say that too much talk leads to sin.
A lie is deception yes.
As for war?
Exodus 15:3
King James Version
3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.
Romans 13:1-3
King James Version
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Many times does Israel go to war.
None of the Early Churches forbid war.
The ten commandments refer to unlawful killing, because the wages of sin are death.
In that sense, killing a sinner who will not repent is a mercy, that they might not sin more.
Im not saying you wrong but I dont hear these types of questions and comcerns from other races when their leaders and heros act in a way that seems best, for example, Nelson Mandela bombed private property and many innocent random people were injured or killed in this kind of guerrila warfare, yet Iv never heard a single black person or white liberal wondering if this was a sin (it actually was), Trump didnt do a guerrila style terrorist attack, he arrested a man and brought him back for a fair trial? Sure there are other motives behind this but its like they waited for this perfect opportunity, I cant make the judgement because I dont know whats happening in the background but Im living in America now and I think this is going to benefit USA where I live now so Im supporting you guys and not other nations.