The China Thread

Cooper said:
"Uncontrollable rage"? lulz.

You're a bit prone to dramatization, almost as much as you are prone to making broad, sweeping generalizations about Chinese society based on random stories fished at the bottom of the $1.6 billion anti-China propaganda industry barrel.

If anything your posts here are fairly entertaining, in an unintended way.
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Can't fake that type of cool guy aura Coop, once a Chud always a Chud and you've been completely mentally buckbroken in the last couple of years. You compare in nothing to your former handle 911, a mere shell of your former self and once the faked authority was pulled off only the CCP shekels remained in sight.

I take credit for that, yet another scalp under the belt.
 
Cooper said:
I've posted more on the Ukraine and Russia threads than on this one over the last couple of years, but somehow no one is questioning me about "devoting that much energy" there.
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It's the same question China, Russia, and the rest vs the West. If this is your pet topic- nothing wrong with that, if it were a part-time gig that would be concerning. You gave a funny circular answer- I post that China good and the West bad because China Good and the west bad.

I care more about ordinary people than about governments, what they are like to have as neighbors, the Gave brothers are too entangled with the Chinese to tell the truth without risking something.

Cooper said:
People like Xi or Wang Huning come from old families and are well-read and well-rounded, Huning for instance has an interest in French literature, and is fluent in French.
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Putin also is not like your average Russian, knows many languages, doesn't drink, is in shape and gets botox/plastic surgery. I'm more interested in reports from the ground as regular people are who one has to deal with, you're not gonna run into people like Xi, Wang, or Vlad often, going about your day. One member who has worked with Chinese people said it was horrible, and stories like that is what interests me more than the geopolitical games hacks from different countries like to play.


Cooper said:
Part of the reason I do post a lot on this thread is that there is an inordinate amount of low-IQ propaganda
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Who is a reaction to whom, and who has more comments... The existence of propaganda isn't a reason to bother with it, it can be ignored which is what most do as it's not worth the time. I tried to find it but couldn't, the things you post can sound like Chinese propaganda of success too, something about a flying car, and the Chinese author of that 2025 tweet was so excited as if it were already their main mode of transport, while similar eVTOL craft (but not for driving) had been produced more than ten years earlier by a dozen different companies from around the world.

In closing, I appreciate all the info everybody here brings.
 
LaAguilaNegra said:
Can't fake that type of cool guy aura Coop, once a Chud always a Chud and you've been completely mentally buckbroken in the last couple of years. You compare in nothing to your former handle 911, a mere shell of your former self and once the faked authority was pulled off only the CCP shekels remained in sight.

I take credit for that, yet another scalp under the belt.
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My "authority" is based on posting quality, succinct, well-documented and relevant material like my post above on the comparative economic plight of millennials between China and the US, using reliable sources, as opposed to long-winded aggro storyboarding spun from tabloid bro slop like Serpentza and random all-seeing-eye twitter accounts.

Who is really breaking down here? You are constantly going off the rails, have had a long history of that. You've personally attacked at least three other posters just this week on this thread alone.

You are a fairly smart dude, but regularly display blatant dark triad character flaws that are exacerbated by a total lack of self-awareness.

On the positive side - I do agree with you that 911 was a solid poster on the Roosh Forum, so your latest outburst here is not a total loss.
 
NSOE said:
It's the same question China, Russia, and the rest vs the West. If this is your pet topic- nothing wrong with that, if it were a part-time gig that would be concerning. You gave a funny circular answer- I post that China good and the West bad because China Good and the west bad.
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"The West" has been run by sociopathic oligarchs, for decades now. It has been a kakistocracy. China is not perfect, it is subject to its own peculiar longstanding civilizational traits, but there is not much doubt about their leaders working to improve the lot of their countrymen. That is the difference here, and it is a big one.

As well their leaders truly are the most powerful people in their country, no question, not the case in the West.



NSOE said:
I care more about ordinary people than about governments, what they are like to have as neighbors, the Gave brothers are too entangled with the Chinese to tell the truth without risking something.
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Those are the same arguments Russia detractors say about Putin's popularity polls, they think you would get shipped to a gulag if you respond that you're not satisfied with him.

The Gave father and son don't delve too deep into politics, they mostly stick with the Chinese economy, and that's objectively hard to criticize, given the huge progress in the last 30 years. The son is a French pro-West Protestant banker, his father is a hard right supporter in France.


NSOE said:
Who is a reaction to whom, and who has more comments... The existence of propaganda isn't a reason to bother with it, it can be ignored which is what most do as it's not worth the time. I tried to find it but couldn't, the things you post can sound like Chinese propaganda of success too, something about a flying car, and the Chinese author of that 2025 tweet was so excited as if it were already their main mode of transport, while similar eVTOL craft (but not for driving) had been produced more than ten years earlier by a dozen different companies from around the world.
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The Chinese didn't invent technologies like high-speed rail, thorium-powered nuclear plants, solar panels etc, but they are good at taking these foreign techs, improving them and implementing them on a massive scale. This is what is apparently about to happen with the low altitude economy aka flying cars:

 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
What planet do you people live on? There is no private property in China, you lease from the CCP for 70-99 years. The leases are violated by eminent domain there at least as much as the USA, and they do send kungfu panda off-world kick murder squads to evict people who get uppity, sometimes resulting in 100 person brawls with a few fatalities when SUVs are used to mow people down.
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To my knowledge, there is no inheritance tax in China, so your progeny will inherit your property tax-free, not the case in many western countries, and even where you can inherit property tax-free, you still have to go through expensive notary and estate planning services. I doubt that in 22nd century China the second or third generation would be evicted or repossessed once those theoretical leases expire, China being a nation of homeowners.

I would much, much rather have that Chinese system, than have to pay around 1.25% annual tax on the values of my properties. Paying that percentage, that rises every few years with each reassessment, over a period of 99 years is equivalent to losing a big chunk of your property, given the power of compound interest.

As well property taxes result in millions of older retirees being forced out of their homes and having to relocate to cheaper areas because they can't afford to pay these taxes every year.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
What planet do you people live on? There is no private property in China, you lease from the CCP for 70-99 years. The leases are violated by eminent domain there at least as much as the USA, and they do send kungfu panda off-world kick murder squads to evict people who get uppity, sometimes resulting in 100 person brawls with a few fatalities when SUVs are used to mow people down.

Nail houses exist in small jurisdictions that are incompetent at hiring thugs to throw people off their land, which is normal in China, where almost nothing is enforced with uniformity except gutter oil quotas. If you search China+forced+evictions you'll see endless cases.

1 minute clip that gives a little idea. The old videos that showed the big brawls are no longer to be found online.



One of the most spectacular cases without a fatality was in Wuhan 2009 when the property lessee built a make-shift cannon with fireworks and a crude tower from which to defend against the attackers, a battle that raged on and off for monthses.

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Eventually, they injured him.

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Running after Lil Coop scooping up turd after turd is tiresome and practically a full time day job. Good on you that you have the willpower to pick out one or two lies a time, many would prefer to just let it slide and frankly I don't blame them. Comrade Coop is fully dedicated to spreading falsehoods and fake narratives day after day after day after day than this man, totally not sus hand on my heart

You're right about everything else. Aside from Xi nobody 'owns' anything in China. All property is on lease from the central authority ergo you are allowed to have certain things for a fixed period of time provided you are carrying water for the communist party. This leasing system is a gigantic hot potato, a bit like the hukou system, because there currently is no system or law on regulated extension, leading to exorbitant fees (300-400 percent value price to renew) in a few SH cases already. There also isn't a guarantee the asset can be handed over to your descendent, double the fun. Third point: mortgages cannot be canceled even when losing the main income stream, Changs cannot can't declare personal bankruptcy ergo the burden will remain on you and your name (though apparently there is something in the works to change this).

In all the muck there is one glimmer of truth though, which is that the Chinese invest in property disproportionately - although the 70 percent homeownership bull is obviously yet another fake CCP statistic. Some more Xi-onomics: due to Xi's housing overturn few years ago Chinese real estate has been losing value at a steady pace and many leasers would now have to take a 20-35 percent loss if they'd choose get rid of the asset. Gold is the Chinese's only investment option left, everything else is losing value (housing market) , stagnant (Chinese stock market), heavily restricted (forex, foreign stock markets), or prohibited (bitcoin).
 
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