The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The level of anti-China trolling is getting pretty sad and pathetic - there was an elevator accident in China in 2015 and someone died, and that is worth not just posting about, but making it your thesis about how Chinese society is dysfunctional??

This is The China Thread and your level of whataboutism has always been sad and pathetic. Try to compare like things instead of apples to oranges.

Research on China is not comparable to the USA because China is not an open society. They have very heavy censorship, which you might know if you had ever been there.

If you had ever spent any time in China, you would understand the context is not only the incompetent repairmen, but also many of the escalator riders themselves. Since about 2008, there have been signs hanging from the ceiling above every upward rising escalator warning its riders to retract their head because so many Chinese were decapitating themselves by looking over the edges of these wondrous machines taking them skyward.

The following two stories are horrendous examples of how things go with Chinese repairmen.

The repairman left panels loose on a working escalator in the middle of the day in a shopping mall, resulting in the death of a mother riding up with her child in 2015.



Jan. 2016, Xi'An, two elevator repairmen cut the power to an elevator with a problem, but didn't check inside and left the building. When they returned following the end of Chinese New Year celebrations several weeks later, they found a 43 y.o. woman starved to death.

 

[Cooper]

This is The China Thread and your level of whataboutism has always been sad and pathetic. Try to compare like things instead of apples to oranges.

You post about random accidents in China and proceed to make sweeping cultural generalizations without any basic understanding of actuarial baselines. Just because the only videos you ever came across in your information bubble of escalator deaths are from China doesn't mean that this is a Chinese problem. Pointing out that these accidents happen everywhere is not "whataboutism", it is just providing a basic context and statistical baseline. You have zero grasp of statistics.

AI Overview
In the United States, there are approximately two to three deaths per year specifically from escalator accidents. This is a very small fraction of the total average of about 30 deaths annually caused by all elevator and escalator incidents combined.

Research on China is not comparable to the USA because China is not an open society. They have very heavy censorship, which you might know if you had ever been there.

In the West, censorship is lighter because we are 50 years ahead of China in terms of propaganda and brainwashing techniques. You don't need to censor a populace that embraces its oppression and views whistleblowers as outcasts and traitors.

In the West, you can kill millions of people by forcing them to take toxic vaccines that mutate their DNA, and do it out in the open, because the general public is brainwashed. And you can also make people feel superior because while they kill millions of our people with a toxic jab, a handful of freak accidents happen on the other side of the planet. This is what the China psyop is about.

 

[RedLagoon]

You post about random accidents in China and proceed to make sweeping cultural generalizations without any basic understanding of actuarial baselines. Just because the only videos you ever came across in your information bubble of escalator deaths are from China doesn't mean that this is a Chinese problem. Pointing out that these accidents happen everywhere is not "whataboutism", it is just providing a basic context and statistical baseline. You have zero grasp of statistics.

AI Overview
In the United States, there are approximately two to three deaths per year specifically from escalator accidents. This is a very small fraction of the total average of about 30 deaths annually caused by all elevator and escalator incidents combined.





In the West, censorship is lighter because we are 50 years ahead of China in terms of propaganda and brainwashing techniques. You don't need to censor a populace that embraces its oppression and views whistleblowers as outcasts and traitors.

In the West, you can kill millions of people by forcing them to take toxic vaccines that mutate their DNA, and do it out in the open, because the general public is brainwashed. And you can also make people feel superior because while they kill millions of our people with a toxic jab, a handful of freak accidents happen on the other side of the planet. This is what the China psyop is about.

Bro, have you ever been on on top of the Shanghai Tower? Made me see stick

 

[expectation]

Bro, have you ever been on on top of the Shanghai Tower? Made me see stick

I understand.

 

[expectation]

This is The China Thread and your level of whataboutism has always been sad and pathetic. Try to compare like things instead of apples to oranges.

Research on China is not comparable to the USA because China is not an open society. They have very heavy censorship, which you might know if you had ever been there.

If you had ever spent any time in China, you would understand the context is not only the incompetent repairmen, but also many of the escalator riders themselves. Since about 2008, there have been signs hanging from the ceiling above every upward rising escalator warning its riders to retract their head because so many Chinese were decapitating themselves by looking over the edges of these wondrous machines taking them skyward.

China had relaxed its visa requirement earlier year and its easy to get around the firewall with VPN - in fact if you're a foreigner coming in with sim card from overseas roam - you're automatically given a built in VPN to go through the firewall. You can also peer into their community with rednote/XHS and billibilli now. Heavy censorship is just a cope.

I see people sharing their experiences NOW even on Western Social Media and they're easy to verify especially with record people coming in and out of China now. How is your algorithm still limited to around a DECADE ago still? A lot had changed especially since their GDP had increased 4-5% about every year in that decade. The environment is like going from the Great Depression to Post-WW2 Boom.

For instance, the Gutter Oil meme was from 1990s (3 DECADES) and I see you're presuming its still rampant (lol).



As someone with easy access in and out of China, whenever someone shares an experience from China from a decade ago and acts as if its still ongoing now in this thread, I can't but help laugh my ass off but at the same time, I feel bad for people who are trying to get serious information or make this board legitimate.

 

[magoo]

China had relaxed its visa requirement earlier year and its easy to get around the firewall with VPN - in fact if you're a foreigner coming in with sim card from overseas roam - you're automatically given a built in VPN to go through the firewall. You can also peer into their community with rednote/XHS and billibilli now. Heavy censorship is just a cope.

I see people sharing their experiences NOW even on Western Social Media and they're easy to verify especially with record people coming in and out of China now. How is your algorithm still limited to around a DECADE ago still? A lot had changed especially since their GDP had increased 4-5% about every year in that decade. The environment is like going from the Great Depression to Post-WW2 Boom.

For instance, the Gutter Oil meme was from 1990s (3 DECADES) and I see you're presuming its still rampant (lol).



As someone with easy access in and out of China, whenever someone shares an experience from China from a decade ago and acts as if its still ongoing now in this thread, I can't but help laugh my ass off but at the same time, I feel bad for people who are trying to get serious information or make this board legitimate.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/10/food/china-oil-food-safety-scandal-sinograin-intl-hnk

Food safety scandal rocks China as report claims cooking oil carried in same trucks as fuel​

China reportedly caught reverse-engineering ASML's DUV lithography - Asia Times

A Chinese firm has sought technical support from ASML after it failed to reassemble a DUV lithography machine following reverse engineering.

asiatimes.com

China reportedly caught reverse-engineering ASML’s DUV lithography​

Story is that they had the chutzpah to call ASML technicians to fix a machine they broke while taking it apart and reassembling it

I havent been to China in a decade but from time to time I still deal with chinese clients from a decade ago. And nothing changed with them. They are still the greedy goblins they were before.
What China has is no values. An incredible work ethic. They are slaves. They are programmed to work. And find work enjoyable. And an apetite for risk. Which I dont see with any country similar. They have money. Real money. Not leveraged. At the same time the west and Europe is drowning in tax and dumb regulations. If you miss a tax deadline you are left with your socks. But boats arrive everyday full of people and shit and people drug themselves in the open.
European governance issue 3500 regulations every year. Every year. Which company can cope with this madness?

The brightest and risk takers are leaving and going to Dubai, etc. not US. Like before. Or even China.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You post about random accidents in China and proceed to make sweeping cultural generalizations without any basic understanding of actuarial baselines. Just because the only videos you ever came across in your information bubble of escalator deaths are from China doesn't mean that this is a Chinese problem. Pointing out that these accidents happen everywhere is not "whataboutism", it is just providing a basic context and statistical baseline. You have zero grasp of statistics.

AI Overview
In the United States, there are approximately two to three deaths per year specifically from escalator accidents. This is a very small fraction of the total average of about 30 deaths annually caused by all elevator and escalator incidents combined.





In the West, censorship is lighter because we are 50 years ahead of China in terms of propaganda and brainwashing techniques. You don't need to censor a populace that embraces its oppression and views whistleblowers as outcasts and traitors.

In the West, you can kill millions of people by forcing them to take toxic vaccines that mutate their DNA, and do it out in the open, because the general public is brainwashed. And you can also make people feel superior because while they kill millions of our people with a toxic jab, a handful of freak accidents happen on the other side of the planet. This is what the China psyop is about.

There aren't any statistical baselines from China. Their books are all cooked.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Made me see stick

I looked it up, the technical term is white cane.

 

[Cooper]

There aren't any statistical baselines from China. Their books are all cooked.

The Chinese political bureaucracy is highly hierarchical, there is a centralized national oversight over the provinces, and likewise of provincial authorities over municipal, so there is a lot of accountability at every level to the higher ups.

In the case of accidents, the Chinese don't give a crap about what outsiders think, so there is no incentive for them to cheat wrt the aggregate national numbers. There is some incentive for the local authorities to cheat and undercount the number of their accidents, but there are consequences to the bureaucrats careers if they are caught cheating, and there are stats that they can't easily fudge like road accident casualties, or casualties in general.

There is more cheating and fudging the numbers in the case of crime reporting in many western countries, esp in the US with Democrat and Soros-run cities and DAs, a lot of crime goes unreported for political reasons. That also applies to economic data, the GDP methodology and numbers in the West is a lot more heavily fudged than in China. If you'd like, I can explain how this is done, as you seem to have a combination of poor understanding of economics along with a high degree of hatred for China, which seriously clouds your judgment.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

I despise people who wants west to lose. And praise enemies. Suicidal idiots. Im western. I want the west to win. But the fagness is too much encroached in this loser mentality with this stupid retarded comfort egalitarian communist environment regulations and taxes.

The root cause of the type of mental treason described above is psychological, aka the Chuddification of the Dissident Right. Many RW-ers have morphed into Chuds, perpetual losers who out of spite have started rooting for geopolitical adversaries. Personally I feel ambiguous towards their fate, because on the one hand many are victims of certain demographic and meta-economical trajectories they have no say or blame in - in fact in some cases their personal situation is in part the result of specific policies targeting them. Yet on the other side Chuds are purposely misinformed, dishonest to the core, say incredible dumb and cringe things and harbour misandrist and traitorous sentiments towards their own people.

Rooting for foreigners to conquer and rule over you is not cool. The Changs will devour you, and anyone thinking this will be to the benefit of White Americans or Christians is off his f-ing rocker. This is a political cuck mentality that is the Yellow equivalent of J-worship, really cringe. Ergo you can a priori swat the detractor pulp typed up in this tread, much like you instinctively pull the flush handle when you see a massive turd floating in a toilet bowl. The CCP slop is the figurative equivalent of that, and there simply is little value in hearing any Chud out knowing full well that those who defend the CCP to the hills and back do so out of deep resentment and projection.

As mentioned above the core of CCP simping is psychological, and anything done to make the Chuds' cynical and morbid 'West collapse' fantasies more appealing is a facade. I call it bio-leninism on the Right. Biological Leninism is the term used to describe leftwing revolutionaries of the past, many of whom were spiteful dysgenic dregs that hated beauty, ambition, success and the natural order. It's horse shoe theory and anno 2025 it ain't much different. Today both Chuds and wokey gay race communists' worldview revolves around ways to avenge their personal failures, genetic shortcomings and bottom feeder status in society. Ergo they are wishing, and sometimes actively working towards just letting it all burn down.

Most people will instinctively recognize this. None of the Chuds in this thread are married. None have fathered kids. None are homeowners. None are financially well off. None have a career or an aura of success. None are socially calibrated. None have big social circles and are well liked in their communities. This is guaranteed, a given. Chuds just radiate failure and misery, paired with deep levels of revanchism.

Special mention to and status aparte for my BFF Lil Coop. Member Cooper is not a RW Chud by any metric or standard, and instead pushes barely veiled yet always Politburo+ United Works aligned CCP slop. In that sense Coop's more like a proper (crypto) communist Chud-whisperer, a rather cunning mid level manager who knows how to subtly steer and influence discussion& opinion, and whose only job here is providing a steady stream of cheap red meat ragebait on anything West related, commie CCP/ thirdworldist propaganda on everything else, and to aggressively protect narratives through tone policing and gatekeeping.

The above is the Chud dynamic explained to a T on a micro level, and should be extrapolated to the West's infosphere. Hostile foreign powers have entire bot armies and a wide variety of alternative media talking heads cultivating the Chud Right. It's embarrassing. Half my Twitter feed is these paid clowns pushing junk narrative after junk narrative, goes to show how deeply unserious much of the West actually is.

Slop quality is not of importance to the low info Chud target demographic though, they slobber on the toxic sludge without a speck of critical thinking, and with the appetite of pack of starving stray dogs. This is because the cheap propaganda confirms their rotten and delusional worldview& desires and that's all they deep down care about. Ergo any sloptake about 'da satanic West's pending doom' and 'da heavenly Chyna's looming total victory' makes the Chuds feel secured and safe, and a bit less frustrated on any of their former friends and family succeeding where they could not. Chuds simply hate their little world and simp for communist China because they are failures.


Below is a Chud in the wild. This particular Chud has just been told he's reposting CCP propaganda online. Instant meltdown. Most Chuds are highly sensitive, have low resilience and low impulse control ergo they routinely chimp out when their crap takes get demolished. Do not engage them unless willing to endure massive amounts of cope and seethe.

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

Not that I have a dog in this fight, following this thread for interests sake, but why do you two care so much? @LaAguilaNegra & @Cooper

It sounds like neither of you live there or close by, have you ever visited?
Do you stand to gain financially or otherwise from posting here on the forum?

Sharing this again because neither of you answered and just like clockwork, the back and forth will continue.
Why is a nation on the other side of the world so important to you and why can't you just present your arguments without resorting to name calling and hyperbole?

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

rooting for geopolitical adversaries

Somebody needs a little road trip to the nearest local turdworld neighborhood to get reminded of the actual "geopolitical adversaries" their successful family is going to be dealing with into the foreseeable future.

Here we have a moron from the Philippines who too believed in some cold war BS and wanted to partner up with his Asian brethren. He's now sitting in a European prison.

https://thediplomat.com/2025/06/why-china-missed-its-golden-philippines-opportunity/

Funny how it all works.

We can only pray that the kike policies you promote fail and these other countries can be an actual adversary.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The Chinese political bureaucracy is highly hierarchical, there is a centralized national oversight over the provinces, and likewise of provincial authorities over municipal, so there is a lot of accountability at every level to the higher ups.

There is more cheating and fudging the numbers in the case of crime reporting in many western countries, esp in the US with Democrat and Soros-run cities and DAs, a lot of crime goes unreported for political reasons. That also applies to economic data, the GDP methodology and numbers in the West is a lot more heavily fudged than in China.

You think that there is more accountability in the Chinese hierarchy and also more cheating of the numbers in the West than in China? This is contrary to all experience and is more of your absurd whataboutism.

In the case of accidents, the Chinese don't give a crap about what outsiders think, so there is no incentive for them to cheat wrt the aggregate national numbers. There is some incentive for the local authorities to cheat and undercount the number of their accidents, but there are consequences to the bureaucrats careers if they are caught cheating, and there are stats that they can't easily fudge like road accident casualties, or casualties in general.

Complete nonsense. They don't have to hide a dead body because they can categorized it any way that they feel like, which happens all the time, for example with forced organ harvesting. They disappeared millions of people fairly recently and that mechanism of secret police and secret prisons is still in place. When people are arrested for common offenses, their families can not even find out if they have been arrested and where they are.

Your incorrect premise reveals again that you have no personal knowledge or familiarity with life in China. For example, there was a foreigner, named Darren Russell, who was murdered in Guangzhou while I lived there, in the central part of town, off the main road, and not far from where I stayed. Everything pointed to it being a murder for hire from his employer, whom he had threatened with revealing her illegal practices, but the police just covered it up, labeled it a vehicular accident and refused to release his body to his mother unless she agreed to that claim. Later autopsies proved it was false, that it wasn't a vehicular fatality because the only injury was to the man's skull, but most likely it a murder from blunt force trauma.

Another apparent murder of a foreigner named Bernhard Wilden occurred at a university in Beijing when a German graduate student, was most likely thrown off a roof by police because he resisted their attempts to break up a house (unauthorized) church. The Chinese authorities cremated the boy's body without permission, most likely to cover up the crime.

 

[Seng Hock]

Sharing this again because neither of you answered and just like clockwork, the back and forth will continue.
Why is a nation on the other side of the world so important to you and why can't you just present your arguments without resorting to name calling and hyperbole?

Because both posters are knowledgeable and interested in geopolitics, but they hold opposing opinions on this issue. This is why Cooper and LaAguilaNegra always fight to prove themselves right and the other wrong.

On the other hand, it seems common for each forum member to have their own allies and enemies.​

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Some forum fights are sad because we see people who would normally agree on most things tearing each other apart. On the other hand, some debates are entertaining and full of creativity.​

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

China had relaxed its visa requirement earlier year and its easy to get around the firewall with VPN - in fact if you're a foreigner coming in with sim card from overseas roam - you're automatically given a built in VPN to go through the firewall.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the procedure. I lived in Guangzhou for many years and visited Hong Kong countless times, where I used to purchase special HK SIM cards for roaming inside China, like the China Unicom Cross Border King. I also had VPN's since the Great Firewall began restricting Google in May 2009.

Heavy censorship is just a cope.

What's your point, that if the censorship is not 100% perfect then it's not happening? That's the real cope.

China is the most heavily censored country in the world, common knowledge to everyone but you and Coop, which is reflected in Freedom House's Freedom on the Net rating, listing China dead last except for Myanmar.

Likewise, Reporters without Borders lists China at the bottom as well, with only North Korea and Eritrea being worse.

I see people sharing their experiences NOW even on Western Social Media and they're easy to verify especially with record people coming in and out of China now. How is your algorithm still limited to around a DECADE ago still?

For instance, the Gutter Oil meme was from 1990s (3 DECADES) and I see you're presuming its still rampant (lol).

The Chinese baby milk powder scandal was from 2007-2008, which the Chinese govt said only killed 60 babies (and they never lie about deaths according to Coop, however I knew of several infants that were hospitalized) but when I left China in 2018, a decade later, Chinese still did not trust local baby milk powder. In fact, there was a very active network of students and other Chinese sending foreign milk powder back to the mainland, including a huge operation in Sheung Shui, New Territories, HK, where endless streams of transporters would buy non-mainland baby milk powder a block away from the MTR and take it illegally across the border into China in order to resell it at a profit. You must have seen all the efforts at detection in the crossing if you went to Shenzhen and your eyes were open.

The lack of trust about milk powder and gutter oil persists for over a decade because the food scams in China are endless. If one scam falls out of fashion it's only because another has supplanted it. Denial of this fact of life in China is cope from people who want cheap food and aren't ready to pay for something better.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Those Chinese drone shows are big entertainment, unless you're standing underneath them though, then you gotta run for your life. Bytheway, the CCP apparatchiks later confirmed there were 'no injuries' in the first video, CCP simps will swallow this 'statistic' without a second thought and blare about it online instead.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Sharing this again because neither of you answered and just like clockwork, the back and forth will continue.
Why is a nation on the other side of the world so important to you and why can't you just present your arguments without resorting to name calling and hyperbole?

False equivalency and weird attempt at interfering yourself as some sort of authority on posters and posting matters. This is a often used tactic by posters that are considered more moderate yet still of the same WEST BAD CHINA GOOD VARIETY, aka you.

Notice how the detractors that are suddenly, sniff sniff, super duper concerned with rhetorics, belligerence and content were all as quiet as a church rat when this thread was literally a cesspool of non-stop thirdworldist CCP propaganda. Back then it was all fine and dandy, commie propaganda galore and not a soul in the world that had anything to say beside singing Maoist hymns. In fact, anyone posting info channels not greenlit (serpentza) by the gatekeeping clique was immediately smeared as CIA, ZOG, FED and a whole bunch of other meaningless buzzwords, in obvious attempts to chase the poster off or at least get him to shut up. That's Chud behaviour bucko.

As for not responding, apologies. Quite frankly I don't read your posts because I don't consider you an interesting poster, so I missed the Karen-esque demands for an explanation. Likewise I don't read a word of IIMT's bull, straight up scrolling downward. The second attempt at fishing for my attention was only successful because it was quoted by a poster that actually is readworthy.

Bottom line is this, if you don't want to get called a CCP bagman, don't act like you're a paid CCP shill. If you don't want to get called a Chud, don't wish for your nation, country, bloodline and people to be conquered and pulverized. If you want to be taken seriously be less hypocritical and obvious in your ideological preferences. And if you want immediate attention please increase posting quality.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[NSOE]

Yes (I mentioned unavoidable punishment in China), in the West crimes go unpunished despite solid incriminating evidence, and it's common knowledge among the thieves, that's why they're so brazen, again in China you will face harsh consequences and it's a given.

Expectation says a noticeable change occurred after Covid, not that long ago, when the wages were not rising exponentially any more, looks more related to surveillance measures and the introduction/tightening of the social credit system

There is actually no social credit system in the same way most folks in the west believe it is - rather it is a debt credit system. Its too much effort to respond to every posts and I made a meme mocking that assertion a long time ago but I'm not going to respond to correct to every mention of it like a bot.

So yes, it is more related to an increase in material well being rather than authoritarianism. You also see similar elements of this behavior to other Sino ethnostate societies such as Korea, Japan, Taiwan as long as basic quality of life is met.

I think one factor that might be at work here is their social media and its influence on society, Douyin, Xiaohongshu are chock-full of feel-good stories featuring good samaritans (in part due to state censorship), while in the West TikTok and Insta are a toxic well of narcissism and social dysfunction that demoralizes and brings down society.

@expectation, I meant the total electronic surveillance, including the credit system, the easy access to it by all the interested parties, the police and businesses/employers. I think your criminal record follows you in China and you'll feel the pain, you'll be branded for life, in the US it may be considered discrimination not to give a job to a criminal, Democrats push for and succeed at expunging of the criminal histories of non-whites. Americans (Europeans living in America) need very little policing, almost nothing, even those who live in trailer parks- they work for and own their humble abodes so they're good people in general.

@Cooper, social engineering can work in a limited way, usually resulting in helping bad apples better hide their true colors when necessary. Though good people can exhibit bad habits if they have no options, by adjusting to their surroundings- e.g. why keep on trying when everybody around them is an asshole, why would I look for a trash bin in India if the garbage men themselves dump it anywhere, as long as nobody protests- I don't want to be around anybody who needs to be taught common decency, an undertaking similar to trying to reform a criminal, a fool's errand. The US government pays for TV and radio ads targeted at blacks about good parenting, proper nutrition for children etc., if a government has to resort to teaching and treating young adults like difficult kids, it's a warning sign one must be cautious among such people. If China has to keep disturbing material from society, lest they sustain brain damage or attempt to imitate the wicked, it's another big tip-off something is wrong with those people. Normal people desire good/beauty and that's what they search for, you can't corrupt the people of good will.

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To me, RLOS is credible since he lived in the country for 10 years, and as magoo reminds us people don't change. He looks at China from the human perspective, highlighting what that society is like. Sure, high IQ people are great to deal with everywhere around the globe, no matter their ethnic background- even those of bad character since they understand consequences. True, an authoritarian government can make good use of the top 30%, and keep the rest in line while setting the goals for new 5, 15, or 30 year plans, but you're just another POS in the game they play, it's not about you, the system isn't catering to you by default, any rewards are byproducts, you serve the society and must sacrifice yourself when required. In communist Poland you couldn't be a homeless bum, they would lock you up or press you into some menial labor draining swamps. Take away the government and Americans will be alright, they'll prosper, peace and harmony will ensue. Leave the Chinese alone and there will be warlords, mafias, and unpleasantness in general, before some new authoritarianism takes form. New Zealand was a nice and mellow place in the 50 and 60 even though it wasn't the economic power the US was, because it was white, likewise any white society will be better to live in than China with her incredible numbers.

Sharing this again because neither of you answered and just like clockwork, the back and forth will continue.
Why is a nation on the other side of the world so important to you and why can't you just present your arguments without resorting to name calling and hyperbole?

Funny how Cooper's response to the question was just beating around the bush, regurgitating his main points, and no real answer. So many words to get around saying why one would invest so much effort to diligently steer the discussion this or that way. Anyway, it's good to have all the info both sides give, I think everybody can tell who the genuine posters without assignments are, so all is well. In communist newspeak words would flow without end, but you couldn't make any sense of it, they'd talk and talk, but good luck finding the answer you needed there.

( edit: FWIW Marc Faber said the Chinese numbers can't be trusted).

I saw Charlie's assassination footage on a gore site, like all normal people I don't like any of that, there were some videos from China showing some real ghetto behavior, men acting like thuggish peasants and so on. In person, I haven't seen Americans behaving this way. Do not use too much of your time, but for the curious it's here:


[Mod edit: removed links to gore site.]

 

[Cooper]

Funny how Cooper's response to the question was just beating around the bush, regurgitating his main points, and no real answer. So many words to get around saying why one would invest so much effort to diligently steer the discussion this or that way. Anyway, it's good to have all the info both sides give, I think everybody can tell who the genuine posters without assignments are, so all is well. In communist newspeak words would flow without end, but you couldn't make any sense of it, they'd talk and talk, but good luck finding the answer you needed there.

I'm at work right now, scanned through this thread, will come back later to address the other stuff above, but how in the world is my long-ass answer to that question (linked below) "just beating around the bush", did you miss it altogether?

Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Oct 1, 2025

@Cooper

I appreciate your commitment to CiK, even if I don't agree with some things you claim. Indeed, I encourage members to share a range of opinions here, ideally in a calm, frank, and well-reasoned manner backed by credible evidence.

It seems that you like sharing a belief akin to "Rotten is the West, China is the best". As you're one of the most prolific contributers here, I'm curious about your reason and purpose for this mission, because the why isn't so clear.

I don't know if any CiK members live in China (?), except for one in HK. Also, I don't know if...

• Cooper

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( edit: FWIW Marc Faber said the Chinese numbers can't be trusted)

Not familiar with him, go ahead and post his take.

Are you familiar with Charles and Louis-Vincent Gave, French bankers who have worked mostly in the Anglosphere, based in HK?

I saw Charlie's assassination footage on a gore site, like all normal people I don't like any of that, there were some videos from China showing some real ghetto behavior, men acting like thuggish peasants and so on. In person, I haven't seen Americans behaving this way. Do not use too much of your time, but for the curious it's here:

Your average Chinese man over 50 grew up in a country that was poorer than Haiti or India when he was a kid. The great majority of Chinese people from that generation are/were peasants who spent their early years not just in the third world, but in the bottom of the third world. That is why these people revere Xi and their government.

The upper classes in China did survive the Mao years and the Cultural Revolution, much more so than in Bolshevik Russia, because Mao's cull was not racially based, and not as extreme as the mass class culls in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. That is also the reason China has been successful. People like Xi or Wang Huning come from old families and are well-read and well-rounded, Huning for instance has an interest in French literature, and is fluent in French.

 

[NSOE]

I'm at work right now, scanned through this thread, will come back later to address the other stuff above, but how in the world is my long-ass answer to that question (linked below) "just beating around the bush", did you miss it altogether?

I don't want to put you or anybody on the spot, I don't need personal answers. You summarized your views without explaining why you devote that much energy to this thread. China has been successful and the western world is in trouble, many see that without spending that much energy on reminding everybody of it online. Steady Hands asked jokingly if a girl might be the reason. I don't really care.

Not familiar with him, go ahead and post his take.

Are you familiar with Charles and Louis-Vincent Gave, French bankers who have worked mostly in the Anglosphere, based in HK?

Faber is a Swiss economist based in Thailand since the 70s. I've seen a few of his interviews and he always warns to take the Chinese stats with a grain of salt. He wrote a book about the rise of Asia in 2000 maybe, I'm not a religious follower of any financial guru, but I heard him say that many times, I can't search for anything now, it's out there. I haven't heard about the Gaves before, maybe I'll check them out.

Your average Chinese man over 50 grew up in a country that was poorer than Haiti or India when he was a kid. The great majority of Chinese people from that generation are/were peasants who spent their early years not just in the third world, but in the bottom of the third world. That is why these people revere Xi and their government.

The upper classes in China did survive the Mao years and the Cultural Revolution, much more so than in Bolshevik Russia, because Mao's cull was not racially based, and not as extreme as the mass class culls in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. That is also the reason China has been successful. People like Xi or Wang Huning come from old families and are well-read and well-rounded, Huning for instance has an interest in French literature, and is fluent in French.

I know and agree the Chinese are nothing like the blacks or the latinos causing crime in the US, you can build great things with them, they're patient and work hard, and they didn't have Communism for as long a Russia had, which helped too. I'm sure you can find videos of whites in different countries acting really bad, my impression is China is worse in this regard.