Yep, there will never be a female version of Warren Buffet or Phil Fisher, or Ben Graham, etc. Cathie Woods is a dunce.
Who Should You Marry?
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I watched this video and thought it was very interesting.
When I heard about her before, I didn't take much interest in her story because she still posts photos of herself in pretty revealing outfits and she just didn't register to me as a true Christian. But she explains in the video that while she's become more modest compared to her OF days, she still struggles with the desire for attention and validation and it's something she's working on and she has a ways to go. Charlie very gently tries to challenge her on this - by referring to other women who convert yet continue to dress immodestly. It kind of goes over her head - or more likely, she's in denial and it'll take her more time to see the light on that point.
What's more interesting is her commentary on how pervert digital pimps and agencies prey on these young, attention-seeking women - most of them attention seekers because they had a fractured family life, usually with no positive father figure or any real sense of direction. Of course, any woman who grew up on the internet learned fast that there's insane money to be made catering to men with photos and videos. But not all of us fall prey to those temptations. Most of us reason out that it's a dirty, seedy, gross world we don't want to enter - for safety, for morals, for our reputation and just feeling good about life. My childhood was far from ideal - it's not hard to imagine that if it were worse, if I were more exhibitionist and attention seeking by nature, if I'd been more desperate, more gratified by random attention from men online, it would have been more tempting.
Orthodox Christianity is hard core. A sweet old lady at my old church described it as "the Marine Corps of faith." You're invited and expected to become a saint, to get as close to God as you possibly can, and most people in the faith seem to take this very seriously. I've encountered some of the most beautiful, Godly people in the Orthodox Church. My choir director, a relatively normal-looking woman, is so radiant and beautiful and glowing with light and saintly that most of the time I'm in awe just being near her. In the beginning you have convert zeal and you're all pumped. Then the tests and warfare begin - in my experience, it's intense, at times extremely difficult to handle and overwhelming. This doesn't seem to be the Protestant experience, from what I've observed. Up to now, I've mostly regarded Protestant denominations as "Christianity lite."
But listening to the conversation around Charlie Kirk and Nala Ray and other Protestants, my thinking on the matter is evolving. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ. And while I'm not exactly a fan of people like her being a representative of Christianity... anytime I feel the inclination to judge others, I try to turn that back on myself and consider the many ways I'm falling short as a Christian, and there are many, many things I'm not doing well and could do much better. My energy is better spent taking the plank out of my own eye than judging others, and that process will take a lifetime.
I appreciate that Nala and other women like her are shining a light on how girls get enticed into online prostitution and what it will take for them to get out.
I also appreciate her point that no man other than the man who became her husband ever mentioned Christ to her, not in her 4-5 years of online whoring. That's really sad, and it makes me wonder what, if anything, I could do to help these women and other people immersed in darkness.
I've mentioned to my husband that perhaps the men on this forum who want a young, hot, virgin wife might bend on that a little and try to reform some of these online hoes. Many of them are young and attractive - obviously not virgins, but we can't always get everything we want. Obviously, good men aren't fighting over them, so there's plenty of opportunity. If someone like Roosh with his promiscuous history can repent, so can women with similar histories.
I know this is coming from a good place, but the problem is the way that society exists, it's an extremely naive and pie in the sky position. Women are by nature more fickle, and when less connected through doing things with more "experience" they tend to not bond and have issues with feelings and emotions. Men aren't like that, especially men who are older who want to settle down. Marriage is for serious people, and men and women are different. A woman not giving youth and purity to a man who then agrees to protect her forever isn't a serious person re: marriage. The real issue over nearly all, however, is that the law doesn't even allow for men to take on marriage, as there is no benefit from the current legal setup for them to even bother. So it's actually dead on arrival.
Women indeed can repent, but men taking them seriously (as a wife) are not wisely assessing the situation. It's a hard reality to accept, but true.
I understand what you're saying about her and women like her but... If my son brought home a "reformed prostitute" oh boy. I know he can do better because that is the bottom of the barrel, seriously. That doesn't mean that those women can't be redeemed and saved through Christ. It's not going to be my son or some of the other guys here. That being said, there are some men who might pair well with them given their own past histories and traumas.
It's one thing to ask a man to "bend" regarding a woman not being a virgin, it's a totally different thing about a woman being a literal online pornographer/whore who made bank selling her body for five years and now she's "old" and had a change of heart.
It's not the same thing.
I don't see it that way, but I understand your point of view.
I thought it was nice that she credits her mother-in-law with being very loving toward her, and a key influence in her cleaning up her life and wardrobe.
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I don’t think many men want a virgin wife. We want one who is nice and not bitchy. If she is capable of a healthy relationship, we know most of the signs. “Not a prostitute “ is one of the green flags we look for
I thought most men, especially men on a Christian forum, would prefer a virgin wife. Why would a man prefer to marry a woman who wasn't a virgin?
I was specifically referring to the men here who talk a lot about how they want a woman who's young, attractive, and a virgin - and ok with a large age gap - and nothing else will do. I've heard about it so often that I've actually pondered where men might find these women. I don't seriously think most men would consider marrying a former prostitute, but I'm pretty sure a lot of those women meet all the requirements except one.
But why are bad men successfully enticing all these young, attractive women to get into porn and destroy or seriously compromise their lives? More importantly, why aren't good men offering them a viable alternative - marriage and family - before they're lured into hell?
It's estimated that 1.4 million U.S. women ages 18-24 are active on OF, about 14% of all women in that age group. That's CRAZY, and tragic.
I know, it's a multifaceted problem and the rot in the world runs deep.
I’ve learned a long long time ago to not believe or even inquire about a new girlfriends dating history/promiscuity or lack thereof .
If I’m dating a woman in her 20s, who has good personality, attractive, and she tries to tell me that she’s a virgin, then I simply wouldn’t believe her . I would try to date her and if she’s not crazy I’d keep dating her. If there’s no problems or major arguments I’d put a ring on her finger.
How are the men seeking a virgin wife going about getting a virgin bride? Hyman inspection from a doctor? Why even bring it up?
You watch a woman’s actions and believe what you see. Don’t believe what a woman says. All women lie, it’s their nature. And so long as they aren’t lying about anything important I’m ok with it
If I’m dating a woman in her 20s, who has good personality, attractive, and she tries to tell me that she’s a virgin, then I simply wouldn’t believe her . I would try to date her and if she’s not crazy I’d keep dating her. If there’s no problems or major arguments I’d put a ring on her finger.
How are the men seeking a virgin wife going about getting a virgin bride? Hyman inspection from a doctor? Why even bring it up?
You watch a woman’s actions and believe what you see. Don’t believe what a woman says. All women lie, it’s their nature. And so long as they aren’t lying about anything important I’m ok with it
I don't think most men nowadays would make it a dealbreaker to have a virgin wife. But in our gut, instinct, whatever you want to call it, almost all of us would prefer to marry one. In my eyes, the chances of a woman being a liability decrease substantially when they're a virgin.
Also, women have things that give them the "ick". Well the thought of your future wife being with other guys like that gives a lot of men the ick. Many women that have slept with a previous serious boyfriend have also been alpha widowed. It is not worth dealing with a woman that can't get over another man.
Also, women have things that give them the "ick". Well the thought of your future wife being with other guys like that gives a lot of men the ick. Many women that have slept with a previous serious boyfriend have also been alpha widowed. It is not worth dealing with a woman that can't get over another man.
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I don't know Blade Runner, I usually agree with most of what you write, but have some issues with this one.
Firstly, it's 2025, and our culture has been seriously destroyed by the powers that be. You can hardly blame young women for having the views they do, they've been conditioned for so long that the idea of having to be a virgin is a relic from the past for them. If we were in the 50's, this point could be taken far more seriously.
Secondly, I have sisters, and have worked around women. I have noticed that many of them, like most, will settle down for the right guy ( for them), sure, they may fool around and be looser than a 1950s woman, but, when they find their guy, they stick to him like glue. Also, I've seen male players do the exact same thing.
Thirdly, men are as effed-up as women ( but in a different way ) in my experience. Take Roosh as an example, do you think he's okay? I don't, I think he's dysthymic ( chronic low-grade depression ), and I hadn't seen his vibe change in the years I was here. I wouldn't want my daughter marrying him, his vibe is depressed, he needs to fix that. Mystery is not well, Tyler Durden is clearly not well. They are all not married, or have been divorced. Hmmm.
Also, watch-out for the recent onslaught of Youtube videos stating "Men are done" "Dating is Over" "Women are Freaking Out", and on and on. I think this is just another Psyop. Remember that demoralization is one of the key weapons of the Pysop'er. Of course it's more difficult dating these days, but Over ... lol ... nice try, I know people who are dating, it's just different these days because of social media.
I want to punch this guy. I've met types like him so many times before, the arrogance, the need to be dominant at all times ( insecurity ), he's basically a child. He may be extreme, but there are a lot of women who are dealing with this kind of idiot in relationships right now, he's a CHILD. This is the other side of the coin, you think all women are sluts, they're not, sex is their go to behavior because sex is a womans power, and sure, some of them abuse it, but this is my experience of men being jackasses in relationships, and at work, the obsessively insane need, to be right. For the record, apparently the woman divorced this idiot in 2022. Good.
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To answer the main question in the thread, for some people nobody. Certain men and women shouldn’t get married. I’ve suspected this was the case about myself since I was a teenager. My parents, while never divorcing, had a horrible marriage filled with nonstop violent arguments and abuse. It took years of resilience for me to work myself out of the depression it caused and to find meaning and fulfillment in my work and hobbies. I also prefer solitude and find most women annoying to be around. Now many people say you just haven’t found the right one, but it’s a superficial opinion. While I have had long term relationships, the longest lasting several years, I never really enjoyed them. My girlfriend at the time seemed to enjoy it much more than me. I also went through a phase where I was hooking up and having flings which led to no fulfillment whatsoever. I made the bed and I have to lay in it. The wonderful thing is I’m not sad or bitter. If a great woman stepped into my life, I wouldn’t say no, but I know the reality of the current age is the odds have become exceedingly low.
I agree with the members here stating that women are not what they used to be. That all is true and society has fallen in that regard. I’d argue though that most if not all of the men who are stating this, if they looked at themselves completely objectively, have reasons other than that for being single. That’s fine.
Then the question becomes from a religious standpoint what do single men do? Become priests? Monks? Live a secular life like a monk? These are not easy questions, but the Christian choices are clear. Being a single person out in the secular world is not really a valid vocation.
I agree with the members here stating that women are not what they used to be. That all is true and society has fallen in that regard. I’d argue though that most if not all of the men who are stating this, if they looked at themselves completely objectively, have reasons other than that for being single. That’s fine.
Then the question becomes from a religious standpoint what do single men do? Become priests? Monks? Live a secular life like a monk? These are not easy questions, but the Christian choices are clear. Being a single person out in the secular world is not really a valid vocation.
I would absolutely agree that modern men have our own problems, but it seems like men are generally more willing to admit this than women. It would also take a special kind of woman to end up with the type of man that posts on here. I think most of us would rather stay single than end up with the vast majority of modern, secular women. Hell, even many women at church can be quite unpleasant and might as well be secular. But I would agree that it's important for us to acknowledge that we might not end up married. We should not give up or anything, but be aware of it.
I don't find, especially now, that women have enough agency to be "blamed" from what I see from humans overall, and then specifically the biology and issues women have. It's never been about that. But I just deal with what is. Whether they are, or are not, to blame is irrelevant to the fact that you may have a bad LTR or marriage on account of "how things are." Not being bombarded by sexual images on TV, the phone, pornography, the way women dress in public, etc is also a relic of the past but it affects men now, and there's not much to do to (completely) avoid it. The point is, our biology is our biology, and the realities of today suggest that there are only certain things that will make us successful.
I have siblings and my whole family is conservative. They are more religious than most I would say but for various reason they'll practice the faith or not. Some of them, including extended family, are clueless about what their rating actually was and that they were going to get X guy who of course wasn't going to stick around. Those also tended to think that once they got beyond 30 or even 40 they could still look at guys their age, and I would laugh internally when they acted surprised (or their friends did) that of course that ain't happening. 35-45 year old women missed the boat and should be looking at average, 55 year old men. But they won't and most guys like that have baggage. But the put together, successful or in shape guy would all be looking at 20 year old women, or max early 30s women. They act like they don't know this,and quite frankly, it's both stupid and delusional. Of interest, of all my relatives, I don't find it a coincidence that the female that paired with the closest guy value wise, was the thinnest, and by far. Even if our own families with examples of 5, 10, 15 people you see the same stuff we all talk about in the larger society. Older or fatter women aren't getting anyone, and then of course at that point why would they stop drinking and having fun? They aren't going to lose enough weight for it to even matter at that point. I told that to some older aunts and uncles once and one of the guys started busting up laughing, because it's so obviously true (a rational decision on the girl's part). The women never like hearing about being old and fat, though, of course (but they know).
I'm not sure I know what you mean. I always said he had a tic (when speaking) that no one talked about, which I found odd (that no one noticed or interestingly agreed with me, it was like you all were autists or something). I just think he was a more soft spoken and literary type. He was probably above average looking but never did I ever think he was going out and "slaying" but I'm not saying this because I cared. I soon found out that the game was generally luck, location, booze, party guy, fun, blah blah select for slut type stuff.
You get this more and more as you approach 40 too. I think especially if you have a truth seeking and no nonsense disposition such as we all generally. I'd probably be in a similar category to you. I never had really, really long term things for various reasons, but my feeling is that I also would have enjoyed it a bit, but probably also a little less, just because women seem to need so much attention and it's somewhat ridiculous. That said, I came to the conclusion generally that I probably would need a quieter type. I don't think most people know what the fuck is going on, so in general I'd have to find this sweet spot of important things to (rarely) talk about, vs totally boring things I don't want to talk about at all, and know that most women are totally disinterested in worldly, abstract, scientific topics - similar to how they aren't interested in sports.
I've always asked this. I have a feeling I know what my calling is in a sense, but that doesn't preclude the family thing necessarily. It just has to be with woman from a different place. To be honest, I can't even fathom having sex with a 40 year old woman, it just looks disgusting from even fully clothed women in public.
That's probably true. And it seems the only really practical women are the russian/slavic types. The rest of the women in the world seem far too interested in nonsense, don't really have a definable feminine role, or just talk too much (and about stupid shit).
There’s a lot of young girls with daddy issues around these days. If you’re a good leader and have some social credit/charisma and catch them before they go off the deep end, it can work out and the loyalty is somewhat built in. Not saying it’s going to be easy, but the potential is there. Just my observation and life experience…
Two average, mid-20s guys (as in, shorter side, average looks, not wealthy/just starting out in trades jobs) in our parish recently came back from Russia married to younger women. I wish the best for them! They prayed a lot, one had recently came back from a couple years at a monastery prior to this and decided he was better suited for married life. Prayer is powerful, discounting it and the blessing of your priest is a big mistake.
Two average, mid-20s guys (as in, shorter side, average looks, not wealthy/just starting out in trades jobs) in our parish recently came back from Russia married to younger women. I wish the best for them! They prayed a lot, one had recently came back from a couple years at a monastery prior to this and decided he was better suited for married life. Prayer is powerful, discounting it and the blessing of your priest is a big mistake.
A completely false assumption. Most attractive young women get plenty of average men willing to take them seriously and marry them before they get into porn, but most women aren’t interested average men. These women are holding out for giga chad to marry them but it’s not going to happen. I’m sure that bob the accountant or James the software coder would gladly marry these women but these women’s standards are too high and they are not interested in beta males. Why is it that women always try to shift the blame onto men? An attractive woman has a million times more opportunity in life than 99% of men will ever have so if she keeps making bad choices that is on her. I have zero sympathy for these whores. They are immensely privileged and all they have to do is not fuck things up.
And there are plenty of simps willing to wife up these only fans whores. They just do only fans because they are evil, greedy and selfish not because they lack options in life. Stop defending evil whores.
To be fair there are some outliers of 40 year old women that are still very attractive but they are very rare.
They came back from Russia, having found wives?
Sorry Jenn, this is the red pill. Women flatly do not reward good men. By the way, reward largely means giving sex to, something all the modern day prudes won't talk about, but they'll be friends with gays and talk about all sorts of degenerate sex stuff with friends in society, and on social media, etc.
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This is the crux of the matter isn’t it? Another take on the old nice guy finishes last etc. I’ve seen it over and over and it’s been impossible to deny. Maybe it’s the environment, maybe it’s their inherent nature. The amount of objectively very attractive women that end up with drug dealers, domestic abusers, or all around low ethics men is astounding to see in the US these days.