United Healthcare CEO Assassinated

Neither on this board nor in the USA at large.
No, easily in the USA, and probably on this board. The support he is gaining, especially among young people, the only people who matter at the end of the day, is well over 50%. Get ready, things are REAL bad and if Trump doesn't get it fixed and fixed quickly, it is going to careen off the cliff.
 
Absolutely not.

Seriously?

Shooting a thief in the middle of a crime vs murdering someone in cold blood are in now way the same comparison.

Really? Come on man! (Biden voice for emphasis)

The fact remains, with out the illegals who drive these costs up, the insurance companies would have no rational to be so exorbitantly greedy. Coupled with the Roberts ruling on the Obama Car tax aka Affordable health care act.

The illegals totally overburden the system and raise costs. Same with car insurance, you need to pay more for that uninsured motorist benefit. Which demographic is mostly uninsured? Illegals.

However I disagree with insurance companies not being greedy if the illegals were gone. Greed is part of human nature and everybody wants more. If the C-suites are groomed from a corrupt system, you will get greedy and corrupt people. Not all of them, but that’s the game. Raise company value for the stockholders. If a method is exorbitantly greedy, but not illegal/fraud, and it leads to a blockbuster EPS for the quarter, the CEOs will do it. The CEOs trying to do things the right way are usually, although not always, ousted by the board.

It boils down to the values of the company and the people in question. Without a complete overhaul and a return to Christian values, the system will keep producing these parasites.
 
Is the original discussion about a professional paid assassin taking out the CEO because he’s under investigation by DOJ for insider trading and other crimes and a lot of DC swamp dwellers may get pulled in, completely off the table now? That theory seems to be completely abandoned. Should it be?
 
You guys are way off base on this one. Nobody is forcing anyone to have insurance. If you are bankrupted by medical bills, then that's probably your own fault for NOT having insurance. If insurance premiums are too high, then it's likely a combination of factors including inflation and rampant fraud, not greed.

Insurance companies are limited by strict laws in how much profits they can earn, most of which come from investments. Sure, CEOs may take way more than their fair share, but most insurance employees are honest hard working people earning a modest living that constantly have to deal with scammers, liars and malingerers trying to take advantage of the system.

If this guy gets off because jurors think insurance companies are evil, then we really do have a kangaroo court. However, I suspect a much worse fate awaits him. This is the sort of crime that the elites have incentive to cruelly punish and send a warning signal to others.
 
You guys are way off base on this one. Nobody is forcing anyone to have insurance. If you are bankrupted by medical bills, then that's probably your own fault for NOT having insurance. If insurance premiums are too high, then it's likely a combination of factors including inflation and rampant fraud, not greed.

Insurance companies are limited by strict laws in how much profits they can earn, most of which come from investments. Sure, CEOs may take way more than their fair share, but most insurance employees are honest hard working people earning a modest living that constantly have to deal with scammers, liars and malingerers trying to take advantage of the system.

If this guy gets off because jurors think insurance companies are evil, then we really do have a kangaroo court. However, I suspect a much worse fate awaits him. This is the sort of crime that the elites have incentive to cruelly punish and send a warning signal to others.

I used to work for an insurance company in a different industry. Employees are taught how to pay bare minimums and force customers to fight for their fair share. Lawyers typically had to intervene.
Employees are pawns for the higher ups. No one ever felt good about insurance unless you knew the customer was getting paid fairly and there were ways in which you could make that happen, albeit you're not getting that promotion either. It's mostly a scam but a necessity in our clown world way of living in which our vital means of living (home, health and vehicle) cost substantially more than they should.

Yeah the workers might be honest, but I never felt honest. And I'm glad I'm out of that joke of a profession.
 
Nobody is forcing anyone to have insurance.

Yes, and monthly bills are so high for most insurance today it's cheaper to go without and go bankrupt. For anyone who makes less than 40K a year, it's almost certainly a better deal to risk bankruptcy in the event of a medical episode than pay for health insurance.

But that's just the thing, if you get hospitalized, you're going bankrupt. Even if it's for something minor, the hospital is completely overwhelmed and overpriced. Going into a hospital, for something even like a broken arm, is no different than being mugged. It's theft no matter how one slices it.

The state has bound the paying side of "healthcare" into its taxation scheme, which makes it institutionalized theft. If you attack this one facet of taxation you should attack the others.

Like I said, the laws must be changed. It's the only real lasting solution. And yet, why should anyone be surprised at violent reactions to theft? Doesn't matter if it's institutionalized theft or not. If someone is stealing your entire livelihood, you'd get violent to defend yourself. It's a natural reaction. It takes spiritual power and brains to realize violence isn't an effective solution against institutionalized theft, which most people don't have.

Violence only leads to violence but I'm not going to judge those who react to theft, which is a form of violence, with violence of their own, lest God find me guilty of hypocrisy.

My position in this thread has been very consistent; do not judge anyone involved in this because there are too many unknown variables at play here. Those who live by the sword die by the sword, and insurance companies are violent thieves operating under the guise of the law. The killer may or may not have been justified, I cannot tell without knowing more information.
 
Oh, maybe Luigi really is the killer and saw how bad the insurance scam is with his back injury?

Still makes no sense about why he’d be eating McDonald’s when he’s fit, where he disappeared to in Hawaii for 3 months, how a McDonald’s employee recognized him right away from his hoody photos. If he’s trying to get caught he could have turned himself in. Etc
 
Oh, maybe Luigi really is the killer and saw how bad the insurance scam is with his back injury?

Still makes no sense about why he’d be eating McDonald’s when he’s fit, where he disappeared to in Hawaii for 3 months, how a McDonald’s employee recognized him right away from his hoody photos. If he’s trying to get caught he could have turned himself in. Etc

I'm in the gym 6 days a week and I still eat McDonald's once in a blue moon, the fries and strawberry banana smoothie are like crack. Hell I knew body builders, fitness models, olympic gymnasts and wrestlers that liked them some McDonald's. It may very well not be him but I don't think eating McDonald's is an indication of anything.

I think the guy saw all the reverence for him online and just stopped being careful about it, he got careless thinking he was good either way. If it's really not him then what....they paid a guy to act like him and pretend he did it? I don't see the feasible end game in that....or are you thinking it's not some conspiracy and they just caught the wrong guy?
 
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I'm in the gym 6 days a week and I still eat McDonald's once in a blue moon, the fries and strawberry banana smoothie are like crack. Hell I knew body builders, fitness models, olympic gymnasts and wrestlers that liked them some McDonald's. It may very well not be him but I don't think eating McDonald's is an indication of anything.

I think the guy saw all the reverence for him online and just stopped being careful about it, he got careless thinking he was good either way. If it's really not him then what....they paid a guy to act like him and pretend he did it? I don't see the feasible end game in that....or are you thinking it's not some conspiracy and they just caught the wrong guy?

How did he find and track down an insurance exec?
 
Yes, and monthly bills are so high for most insurance today it's cheaper to go without and go bankrupt. For anyone who makes less than 40K a year, it's almost certainly a better deal to risk bankruptcy in the event of a medical episode than pay for health insurance.

But that's just the thing, if you get hospitalized, you're going bankrupt. Even if it's for something minor, the hospital is completely overwhelmed and overpriced. Going into a hospital, for something even like a broken arm, is no different than being mugged. It's theft no matter how one slices it.
When I was an independent contractor, I signed up for a high deductible short-term plan. It's not great, but it should cover you in case something catastrophic happens for under $100-150 a month. And I rarely go to the doctor anyways. For those making under $40,000 a year, they can probably get substantial subsidies for Obamacare plans which are better than the short-term plans. If you're poor enough, you get Medicaid which is free and honestly not that bad.

Now as an employee, I'm paying $250 a month for much better medical, dental, and vision. It's definitely worth it. I've been sent to the ER and the bill was $10,000 before insurance about 10 years ago. After insurance I only paid $250-500. Just that incident alone balances out years of premiums. My employer is covering 80% of the costs of my insurance, so they're paying another $1,000 per month. It's insane when you think about it, but as an employee you get great value so it makes sense to sign up.
 
When I was an independent contractor, I signed up for a high deductible short-term plan. It's not great, but it should cover you in case something catastrophic happens for under $100-150 a month. And I rarely go to the doctor anyways. For those making under $40,000 a year, they can probably get substantial subsidies for Obamacare plans which are better than the short-term plans. If you're poor enough, you get Medicaid which is free and honestly not that bad.

Now as an employee, I'm paying $250 a month for much better medical, dental, and vision. It's definitely worth it. I've been sent to the ER and the bill was $10,000 before insurance about 10 years ago. After insurance I only paid $250-500. Just that incident alone balances out years of premiums. My employer is covering 80% of the costs of my insurance, so they're paying another $1,000 per month. It's insane when you think about it, but as an employee you get great value so it makes sense to sign up.
Absolutely.

I wonder if some pontificating understand the costs of not having insurance with children.

Regardless of how screwed up the system is or isn't, the reality is that your options are your options.

It's on you to navigate them appropriately.
 
Somewhat related but has anyone ever tried those Christian health share plans like Medi-Share?

I find it crazy the churches don’t get involved in this, but I don’t know the laws.

I know some fraternal organizations like the Knights of Colombia offer insurance, but I don’t think it’s health insurance. I even knew a guy who’s dad was a Freemason and the entire lodge had a massive fundraiser for his surgery.

I swear one of the biggest issues is many Christians just don’t band together. They have petty arguments on the internet over theology instead. A poster here @KulturedKaveman I believe wrote the Catholic Church is like a McDonald’s communion and he was right. Go in, get communion, and get out.
 
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