United Healthcare CEO Assassinated

Shaquilleoatmeal said:
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I knew they were going to throw the book at him and put him in ADX Florence. :/ make an example of him because they are scared of the torches and pitchforks. This might embolden the torches and pitchforks however because of the message. “Fight back or mess with us, you’re a terrorist, not a common murderer.” Die on your feet or live on your knees might be going through a lot of heads.
 
magoo said:
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Nobody deserves to be shot in the back like a dog. Dude had family. But health is indeed an area where the state needs to be present. US is a thirdworld shithole for not having public free health system. It used to be ranked bellow south american countries I think. You cannot have people drinking 1M wine bottles and others not having money for a medicine. Nothing wrong with inequality. We are not equals in merit. But obscene inequality is wrong.
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Nothing is free. Government is the problem, not the solution.
How did American healthcare get so expensive?
Insurers, lobbyists, trial lawyers, and doctors unions write the legislation. All the language of said legislation benefits hospitals, doctors, and lawyers, at the expense of patients. Overtreatment, over prescription, banning competition, and hiding costs from patients, preventing them from comparison shopping. The AMA used the power of government to outlaw co-ops and drive prices to the moon.

Government caused, and perpetuates this problem - a free market is the solution, not communism.
 
Socialized healthcare in the US would be a disaster, but what we have now is probably even worse for most people. The wealthy have it great and have the money for overpriced healthcare to not matter.

I have no idea what the answer is, but something needs to change. Now I can at least empathize with Americans that want government healthcare, even if I think they're misguided.
 
Douglas Quaid said:
Socialized healthcare in the US would be a disaster, but what we have now is probably even worse for most people. The wealthy have it great and have the money for overpriced healthcare to not matter.

I have no idea what the answer is, but something needs to change. Now I can at least empathize with Americans that want government healthcare, even if I think they're misguided.
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State healthcare like they have in Europe would be better than what we have now. A good alternative would be deregulation which would crash the cost of general care. The free market solution would see any nurse with a 4 year degree able to open a clinic and treat general illness and any medication you need you can just buy online without the middle man. Problem is there’s an entire industry that would cease to exist if we went with decentralized healthcare and that industry has more money than you.
 
KulturedKaveman said:
State healthcare like they have in Europe would be better than what we have now. A good alternative would be deregulation which would the cost of general care. The free market solution would see any nurse with a 4 year degree able to open a clinic and treat general illness and any medication you need you can just buy online without the middle man. Problem is there’s an entire industry that would cease to exist if we went with decentralized healthcare and that industry has more money than you.
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Don't people in Europe have to buy private insurance so they can have access to healthcare without super long waits and inferior treatments?
 
There is no solution when you create competing races, pay for play schemes (Purdue Pharma/Covid Scam/Politicians/etc.), and import 80 IQ wards of the state forever. No solution, free market, socialized, or anything in-between can fix these gaps of reality. Which is why this has the elites so scared. Many of them realize there is no fix, their idea is to buy enough time to suck the resources dry and move on. But right now, there is no place for them to go and the pitch forks and torches are coming out far sooner than they expected.
 
Thomas More said:
Don't people in Europe have to buy private insurance so they can have access to healthcare without super long waits and inferior treatments?
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Yes, you can utilise private health care.

The national health service takes care of most things pretty quickly, but you can use private health care to jump up the waiting lists if you want by paying for individual steps in the care pathway (such as near instant access to a specialist consultant).

Or you can have a private health insurance plan that covers everything.

I have a private health insurance plan, plus a critical illness plan (pays your wages if you are very sick, i.e. getting chemo and cant work) and quite a high life insurance plan. The cost is so small I dont even think about it. It runs me about £40-50, monthly, for all three plans. Significantly cheaper than US private healthcare plans alone, I would imagine.
 
Cuchulainn said:
Yes, you can utilise private health care.

The national health service takes care of most things pretty quickly, but you can use private health care to jump up the waiting lists if you want by paying for individual steps in the care pathway (such as near instant access to a specialist consultant).

Or you can have a private health insurance plan that covers everything.

I have a private health insurance plan, plus a critical illness plan (pays your wages if you are very sick, i.e. getting chemo and cant work) and quite a high life insurance plan. The cost is so small I dont even think about it. It runs me about £40-50, monthly, for all three plans. Significantly cheaper than US private healthcare plans alone, I would imagine.
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Yea, that is cheaper than here. The big health insurance expense in the USA is once you have kids. Then the price of health insurance goes insane and is often as much as a mortgage payment.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Yea, that is cheaper than here. The big health insurance expense in the USA is once you have kids. Then the price of health insurance goes insane and is often as much as a mortgage payment.
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My SHARE of health insurance premium is about $700/month, and my employer is paying around $1400 in addition to my payment. My total deductible, before the insurance pays 100%, is $12,000 per year. I guess a lot of illegals are getting some great free healthcare thanks to me.
 
chance vought said:
My SHARE of health insurance premium is about $700/month, and my employer is paying around $1400 in addition to my payment. My total deductible, before the insurance pays 100%, is $12,000 per year. I guess a lot of illegals are getting some great free healthcare thanks to me.
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Yea, it is insane. So bad, I haven't been to a doctor or had a checkup since I was in high school, and I am almost 50. It is such a bad system, I just choose to avoid it and take care of myself, as best as I can, and keep praying my health holds up for as long as possible.

I know where I work, it is $1,400 a month if you have kids, which it is rumored that the company picks up half the cost. So, I guess full price is $2,800 a month? WTF? And then, it is only 80/20 with a $7,000 deducible.

There is no fixing this system without mass deportations of both illegals and legal immigrants as well.
 
chance vought said:
My SHARE of health insurance premium is about $700/month, and my employer is paying around $1400 in addition to my payment. My total deductible, before the insurance pays 100%, is $12,000 per year. I guess a lot of illegals are getting some great free healthcare thanks to me.
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For me, I pay the government around 20ish% of my salary in what is known as "tax" and "national insurance".
Tax is standard tax.
National insurance is suppossed to pay for all those commie programs like free healthcare, unemployment benefit, housing benefits, childcare benefits, allowances for disabled people, and other stuff.
There is overlap between the two.

So, if I earn £2500 per month, I will pay out about £300 in "tax" and £200 in "national insurance", roughly. The organisation I work for will pay about the same "national insurance" for me as I do.

Personally, on top of that I pay £50 for health insurance, critical illness cover and life insurance for me, another £50 for the missus for the same, and about £30 for my toddler.

On top of that we use a private dentist (the best in my part of the UK) and that costs about £50 for a check up for me and the missus each, and my toddler gets free checkups and treatment subsidised by the governement (all children do).

For the costs I have listed above, everyone gets free healthcare, my family gets priority healthcare, and even the free stuff is generally of a higher standard than the US standard.

The three main areas the health service is "losing" money are:
- foreign devils taking from the system and never paying in
- Too many useless paper pushing managers relative to actual healthcare providers (it is a civil service)
- The increase in cost of diagnostic and treatment methods (everything needs an MRI or CT scan instead of a stethoscope and x-ray now)

Edit - I should have pointed out that I have no such thing as a "deductible". We have what is called an "excess". Basically what you pay before the private insurance kicks in. Its nothing for minor injuries/illness/treatments and £200 for serious injuries/illness/treatments. So, if I have to have a treatment like chemotherapy for a life threatening cancer I either let the NHS treat it for free, or pay £200 for it to be done privately.
The private healthcare system (especially for serious issues) uses the existing NHS staff and infrastructure a lot (but quicker).
 
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Cuchulainn said:
For me, I pay the government around 20ish% of my salary in what is known as "tax" and "national insurance".
Tax is standard tax.
National insurance is suppossed to pay for all those commie programs like free healthcare, unemployment benefit, housing benefits, childcare benefits, allowances for disabled people, and other stuff.
There is overlap between the two.

So, if I earn £2500 per month, I will pay out about £300 in "tax" and £200 in "national insurance", roughly. The organisation I work for will pay about the same "national insurance" for me as I do.

Personally, on top of that I pay £50 for health insurance, critical illness cover and life insurance for me, another £50 for the missus for the same, and about £30 for my toddler.

On top of that we use a private dentist (the best in my part of the UK) and that costs about £50 for a check up for me and the missus each, and my toddler gets free checkups and treatment subsidised by the governement (all children do).

For the costs I have listed above, everyone gets free healthcare, my family gets priority healthcare, and even the free stuff is generally of a higher standard than the US standard.

The three main areas the health service is "losing" money are:
- foreign devils taking from the system and never paying in
- Too many useless paper pushing managers relative to actual healthcare providers (it is a civil service)
- The increase in cost of diagnostic and treatment methods (everything needs an MRI or CT scan instead of a stethoscope and x-ray now)

Edit - I should have pointed out that I have no such thing as a "deductible". We have what is called an "excess". Basically what you pay before the private insurance kicks in. Its nothing for minor injuries/illness/treatments and £200 for serious injuries/illness/treatments. So, if I have to have a treatment like chemotherapy for a life threatening cancer I either let the NHS treat it for free, or pay £200 for it to be done privately.
The private healthcare system (especially for serious issues) uses the existing NHS staff and infrastructure a lot (but quicker).
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Prior to Obamacare in 2014? My premium was $300/month, with 100% coverage and $15 co-pay. Wife popping out kids? I paid $15 once for first OB-Gyn visit then everything else was covered for 9 months. After Obamacare, we got saddled with this “High Deductible Healthcare Plan” BS with double the premiums and $12K deductible. The company had to ditch our “Cadillac plan” or pay a 50% benefit tax as a penalty to the government. I went from paying $3K per year on healthcare for a family, to $20K annually overnight. Obama, the insurance executives that wrote the bill, and all the congressmen who voted for it deserve some constructive feedback.

Meanwhile the professional looters just voted themselves a 50% pay increase and an exemption from having to use Obamacare.
 
Thomas More said:
Don't people in Europe have to buy private insurance so they can have access to healthcare without super long waits and inferior treatments?
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It depends on the country. North of the Alps you can usually get a doctor's appointment within a few days. If you need elective surgery it could take a few months. If you need urgent surgery (e.g. busted appendix), you go to the front of the line. In countries like Italy, Spain, Greece, your waits are longer, or you pay out of pocket to get a private doctor, but it's still cheaper than what you pay for hospitalization in the USA. Countries like Romania, Bulgaria you basically have to bribe doctors to get a quick appointment or surgery and quality is low (from what I'm told). In most of the developed world socialised health care (at least basic preventative care) is the norm, not the exception. You're not going to go bankrupt or have to beg family, friends, and at church to cover your cancer treatment bills.
 
KulturedKaveman said:
I knew they were going to throw the book at him and put him in ADX Florence. :/ make an example of him because they are scared of the torches and pitchforks. This might embolden the torches and pitchforks however because of the message. “Fight back or mess with us, you’re a terrorist, not a common murderer.” Die on your feet or live on your knees might be going through a lot of heads.
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United Healthcare isn’t a government entity, it’s a private company. Isn’t terrorism supposed to be for political reasons? This is corporate, not political.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
United Healthcare isn’t a government entity, it’s a private company. Isn’t terrorism supposed to be for political reasons? This is corporate, not political.
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Are you saying there is a difference between political and corporate in the US?

All I see is a ruling class. Anything else is just subtlety.
 
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