United Healthcare CEO Assassinated

KulturedKaveman said:
Exactly - it’s not the profit motive that’s the problem - it’s being a bad actor. The problem isn’t running an insurance company. The problem is taking advantage of human suffering to maximize profit. As long as pay ins > than claims insurance companies can be profitable. Denying claims just generates a bigger profit. He did this through sketchy means.
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One thing I've noticed they do is prioritize less expensive treatments for conditions like cancer or hepatitis C, even if the side effects are greater, and even if the long-term outcomes are generally worse.

I know a couple cancer patients that had to fight the insurance companies tooth and nail to get their immunotherapy approved. The companies wanted to put these people on chemo because it's four times less expensive. But chemo destroys your body and causes all sorts of permanent damage. Immunotherapy has very few side effects.

And it's not like the chemicals are more expensive to manufacture or anything. The actual cost of production, transportation, and storage for most drugs is pretty low compared to the price. It's just priced higher by the drug companies to maximize profits. Allegedly so they can recoup their scientific investments in research. Allegedly so, but they're still raking in billions. Yet they sell the same drugs in third world countries for a fraction of the price. There's a highly effective hepatitis C drug that costs 80k in the US but 1k in India. And they still make money off of it even at that "low" price in India.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
If they would just be honest and state that BLM encouraging massive theft, and legal immigration, and the flooding of our borders with criminals have made it virtually impossible to run an honest insurance business and make profits, it would go a long way. Instead, we have to pretend satanic "everybody equal" and satanic immigration is a good thing, while people see their insurance costs skyrocket and their claims denied or the game of phone tag played for months on end.
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I hear this about theft all the time “who cares, they have insurance” but here’s the thing - the premiums go up every time you make a claim. Companies don’t pay insurance premiums, you do! It’s cooled into the price! Eventually you become uninsurable and that’s when doors close and we hear whining about how store closures disproportionately effect low income communities. It’s not rocket science. “Thou shalt not steal” exists for a reason.

As for health insurance all these people coming into the country beeline to Medicaid. Insurance companies hate working with Medicaid. Ask any old person about the Medicare issues. As a result they jack up the costs on the paying individuals to cover the losses from government programs. I wonder if that will ever happen though?

“Limit immigration and crack down on the blacks and we can make insurance cheap again.” Cheap insurance will talk way more than any abstraction. This will probably be way more effective than any ethnostate posturing on 4chan. The reason you don’t see insurance CEOs discuss this is that sweet sweet blackrock money will go away.
 
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analyst_green said:
One thing I've noticed they do is prioritize less expensive treatments for conditions like cancer or hepatitis C, even if the side effects are greater, and even if the long-term outcomes are generally worse.

I know a couple cancer patients that had to fight the insurance companies tooth and nail to get their immunotherapy approved. The companies wanted to put these people on chemo because it's four times less expensive. But chemo destroys your body and causes all sorts of permanent damage. Immunotherapy has very few side effects.

And it's not like the chemicals are more expensive to manufacture or anything. The actual cost of production, transportation, and storage for most drugs is pretty low compared to the price. It's just priced higher by the drug companies to maximize profits. Allegedly so they can recoup their scientific investments in research. Allegedly so, but they're still raking in billions. Yet they sell the same drugs in third world countries for a fraction of the price. There's a highly effective hepatitis C drug that costs 80k in the US but 1k in India. And they still make money off of it even at that "low" price in India.
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It’s due to the insane patent laws in the US. If I get some buddies together to start making the stuff in a garage, I’ll get sued. If we had genuine deregulation some start up could make the the drug for half the cost and sell it much cheaper, the Phara corps would have to lower their prices or close the doors. It’s why electronic gizmos are so cheap. They have less insane regulations. Apple made their product but droid can get smartphones to the market for a couple hundred bucks. The best way to handle this is short term patents. Where yes, you made the discover so you get say a 5 year head start to recoup the loss of R&D but the tech is free reign after that 5 year period.
 
KulturedKaveman said:
I hear this about theft all the time “who cares, they have insurance” but here’s the thing - the premiums go up every time you make a claim. Companies don’t pay insurance premiums, you do! It’s cooled into the price! Eventually you become uninsurable and that’s when doors close and we hear whining about how store closures disproportionately effect low income communities. It’s not rocket science. “Thou shalt not steal” exists for a reason.

As for health insurance all these people coming into the country beeline to Medicaid. Insurance companies hate working with Medicaid. Ask any old person about the Medicare issues. As a result they jack up the costs on the paying individuals to cover the losses from government programs. I wonder if that will ever happen though?

“Limit immigration and crack down on the blacks and we can make insurance cheap again.” Cheap insurance will talk way more than any abstraction. This will probably be way more effective than any ethnostate posturing on 4chan. The reason you see now insurance CEO discuss this is that sweet sweet blackrock money will go away.
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Exactly, and since we can't have an honest conversation about this, and neither party is serious about fixing it, and if you talk about it you are completely ignored, there is only one of two paths. Violence or collapse of everything. This can't continue much longer, I'm doubtful it can continue to the end of this decade.

I was stunned at how much my car insurance went up adding another vehicle. So, I talked to others about it and found I have it pretty good compared to them. I have no idea how the average 20 to 40 something is making it, but they are not doing very good, and it only gets worse every year.

I knew people were hurting bad, but the reaction to this I am seeing on social media is insane. Over half this country sees this man as a hero and many are donating money, they really can't afford, to support his legal defense. I think there is a chance he gets off, or at least a hung jury, as much as people are supporting his actions.
 
I read an interesting article where the call the working poor “the new middle class” I can see the point. If you’re working part time for minimum wage and have kids in tow you can have a very pleasant life in the US. You don’t pay taxes, you get them 100% back in the refund at the end of the year. A lot of your life is subsidized (section 8) and the government helps out with illness and hard times. You can even save your meager earnings and have a cheap vacation once a year. If you are middle class - you pay full freight for everything and subsidize the working poor so there isn’t much left over. It’s why affluent, indigenous Americans are moving out and the third world is moving in.
 
eradicator said:
No. But we should not start championing the insurance companies either
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Absolutely not.
Samseau said:
If someone shoots a thief, do people have sympathy for the thief? Because these insurance companies are thieves, but they steal under the pretense of law. It's still theft.

The law must be changed to solve the problem, but no one should be surprised if others react violently to a thief.
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Seriously?

Shooting a thief in the middle of a crime vs murdering someone in cold blood are in now way the same comparison.

Really? Come on man! (Biden voice for emphasis)

The fact remains, with out the illegals who drive these costs up, the insurance companies would have no rational to be so exorbitantly greedy. Coupled with the Roberts ruling on the Obama Car tax aka Affordable health care act.
 
Douglas Quaid said:
I would prefer to just pay out of pocket and never use insurance, but this would require the prices to stop being inflated so high. They overcharge everything because they know they can get away with it.

Insurance shouldn't even be needed for most medical issues.
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Hard to do when you have special needs kids or a lot of kids period.

The system is so fucked currently that it's impossible to not have incredibly high debt post any procedure unless you're covered by insurance.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Shooting a thief in the middle of a crime vs murdering someone in cold blood are in now way the same comparison.
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Insurance companies commit crimes every single day. They do so under the pretense of law, no different than women who get abortions where it is legal.

Even though abortion is legal, it's still murder. And even though "healthcare" is legal, it's still theft. It drives people into bankruptcy, it is THEFT in the truest sense of the word.

There is no defending the insurance companies or the healthcare "system" in America. It's cheaper, and just as safe, to do the same medical procedures in a 2nd or 3rd world country like Turkey as it is in America, for most procedures.
 
Strange how famous this guy has become so quickly. The media want you to only remember certain people and get you talking. Especially when those individuals have a "manifesto".The old divide and conquer trick never fails.
 
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