Also, another tanker was boarded and seized in the Caribbean.
The Venezuela Thread
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What rights does US have in international waters to seize a ship?
UNCLOS (law of the sea) grants warships the right to board vessels in international waters under certain circumstances:
All boarded tankers, including Bella1/Marinera before she registered in Russia, met the condition d - they were stateless vessels, sailing under a flag, without the flag state's permission.
That being said, at the end of the day the US is not party to UNCLOS, and we're not bound by its regulations. We're using our domestic laws (Treasury sanctions) and seizing these ships based on court issued seizure warrants.
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OK, so it's just whoever is the baddest gangster.
Yes and no at the same time.
Sure, we don't care about international treaties which we haven't ratified. But since these vessels didn't have a proper, state approved registration they weren't protected by any laws to begin with. The situation with Bella1/Marinera is somewhat murkier - she was a stateless ship when we first approached her, but gained a host state halfway through the pursuit.
Ok but what legitimacy does US have to capture a ship operating from a country they illegally invaded in the first place. There is no rule of law here, when it comes to US it's might makes right.
The 'Rules-Based International Order' in place post Cold War has been flouted by so, so many over the past three and a half decades. It was in its waning days as proven when Russia launched into Ukraine the first time in '14 and was dead when they moved again in '22.
This is how the world is going to operate now. Either we as a nation adapt to the times or continue to fade into irrelevance like Western Europe and the UK.
US is irrelevant until it gets rid of the parasite called Israel controlling every limb.
It doesn't matter where they sailed from. In international waters ships are bound by laws of the state under which flag they are sailing. If the ship doesn't have a valid flag, then it's stateless and isn't protected by anything.
Now, if a ship does have a valid flag and is boarded without the flag state's permission, then the flag state may seek justice/arbitration in courts.
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Doesn't really matter. Based on the previously seized vessels, we know the pattern used by Trump to seize these tankers - moving sanctioned Venezuelan oil. Another sanctioned Russian tanker, the Hyperion, sailed in and out of Venezuela in the past days without any incident because she didn't carry Venezuelan oil - delivered naphtha and left empty.
Tell that to the US military.
They seem to be quite relevant on exerting the US political will through physical means.
Sal Mercagliano again for the logistics breakdown
Yes.
Everybody is talking about this ship being boarded, and how it is suspected they must have some kind of contraband to have run the way they did.
Now that it has been boarded, I want to know what was on the ship!
Now that it has been boarded, I want to know what was on the ship!
US government will see to it that the public never learns what was onboard. If there was something really sensitive I'd expect the tanker to be torpedoed by Russians.
This was a requirement for the US to demonstrate enforcement of the blockade.
I want muh cheap oil!!!
On Maduro, Rubio looks good here. Kinda hard to feel sorry for the guy.
I want muh cheap oil!!!
On Maduro, Rubio looks good here. Kinda hard to feel sorry for the guy.
The REAL Epstein files.
