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That's why I think people should be having kids in their 20s if it's at all possible. 20s me thought he was tired a lot, but what I did day to day then in comparison to what I do now in early 40s is bigly different. In my 20s, I would have had the energy to raise kids and work. By the time I got started at 30, it felt like the clock was ticking for whether or not I'd have the energy to be a parent. My energy change between 20 and 30 was a lot more noticeable than 30 to 40. I was an average bloke, not eating clean, not staying consistent in the gym, and in my 20s I could go for a long time getting up super early to white knight a girl (despite working a late 2nd shift), get through a work day and be on my feet all day walking (I'd even jog around the outside of the warehouse on my breaks and lunch to try to burn more calories, the walking all day itself I didn't consider exercise), and still go to the gym after work. Even by my mid-30s I couldn't be on my feet all day and contemplate doing a workout or activity. By then the lack of clean eating was getting to me. While I'm still somewhat physically capable, my recovery is nowhere near what it was and I eat a lot cleaner.
At 37, I still felt young. I think it was when I hit 43 or so that I started experiencing the same issues as him. The thrill of living felt like it was gone forever. I can really relate with the whole "I've wasted my life" thinking that goes on once you hit a certain age. Now I wake up regularly with that thought in my head and the only thing I can do is become a more determined person in my 50s. So I can use that to my advantage, but the regret of wasting my youth will never leave.
Every man's journey is different and I personally refuse Matt's narrative. O'pining for "the good old days" and being negative with "I wasted my youth" is very feminine and beta. I think he peaked too soon with some fame and money and hoe's on is late 20's/early 30's and got numb to it all so now he feels nothing except "it's all downhill from here" doom. Matt's message is horrible, money is not the answer, God is. My arc is the opposite, I have been depressed and broke for the last 40 years and now I'm achieving mini-fame and financial success and I feel better than I ever have and I'm super excited about the future (quitting drinking has had a lot to do with this). I'm in my 50's and got all my hottest 20-something chicks in my 40's. I was 47 when I locked down the best, hottest woman I'd ever been with. I'm surfing better than ever (in part due to modern surfboard design), and I just finished writing the best song I've ever written, my guitar playing has vastly improved over the last year, and I'm making more money than I ever have by doing more creative, less stressful, and more rewarding work. Sure, aging is painful and scary, and dying sucks, but STFU, hit the gym harder, stop eating sugar and drinking, gird your loins, and go down fighting. Death makes heroes of us all.
I'm 41 and honestly I feel and look better than ever and I've been told that by others, I'm definitely better at life than I've ever been. I think that guy just burned himself out, an unclean life of degeneracy will do that to anyone.
Something the old owner of my gym told me that has always stuck with me. I was tired and dragging one day, he noticed because I'm usually an unsettled animal at the gym I barely even rest between sets. I told him I was tired and said the line about "I'm getting old" and he asked "Did you feel great every day when you were a kid? Think back on it, did you?". He was right, 100% dead on right. I remember school getting out and regularly dreading wrestling practice counting how many minutes of downtime I had before it started because I was tired and felt crappy, my ankle was bothering me after rolling it the day before blah blah blah....
Something the old owner of my gym told me that has always stuck with me. I was tired and dragging one day, he noticed because I'm usually an unsettled animal at the gym I barely even rest between sets. I told him I was tired and said the line about "I'm getting old" and he asked "Did you feel great every day when you were a kid? Think back on it, did you?". He was right, 100% dead on right. I remember school getting out and regularly dreading wrestling practice counting how many minutes of downtime I had before it started because I was tired and felt crappy, my ankle was bothering me after rolling it the day before blah blah blah....
I think the biggest key to stay young (feel good, have energy, feel optimistic) is to eat healthy and keep active. Avoid pleasure, learn to live without it. Intermittent fasting on your non-lifting days. A few longer fasts once a month or so. Cut out all sugar, eat more fruit and veggies, research juicing or healthy blended drinks, and cut out alcohol. If you do these things, you will feel great well into your 60's or even later if you are blessed.
I feel great in my late 40's, I have 20 something women hitting on me, and it is because I do these things. Also, as you get older your confidence naturally grows, which women pick up on as well.
Matt Forney's problem is he lived for pleasure, has started to clean it up a little, but he needs to switch to having a purpose in life that isn't just pleasure. He seems like the kind of guy who loses weight and then goes out and celebrates by eating a load of junk food. He still craves the pleasure and the pleasure is what is causing him to crash.
I feel great in my late 40's, I have 20 something women hitting on me, and it is because I do these things. Also, as you get older your confidence naturally grows, which women pick up on as well.
Matt Forney's problem is he lived for pleasure, has started to clean it up a little, but he needs to switch to having a purpose in life that isn't just pleasure. He seems like the kind of guy who loses weight and then goes out and celebrates by eating a load of junk food. He still craves the pleasure and the pleasure is what is causing him to crash.
Who would have thought that being an overweight, alcoholic sex addict like Forney would destroy your body??
Honestly, I think he can still recover his vitality if he changes and turns his life around. But does he have the will is the question. I would say men peak early to mid 30s but with the caveat that you have to take care of yourself. And the majority do not.
I can relate to what Matt Forney is saying. But he is missing the trade off part which is huge. When you are in your teens and 20s you are usually healthier, in better shape, have more energy and more tolerance for dealing with nonsense. All of that is true on average. But the big trade off he doesn't talk about is that most men don't get to a financially sound position until they are in their 30s so a lot of men in their 20s do not have a lot of money. So sure easier to get a one night stand or short term fling as a 22 year old man but its often easier to get a serious long term relationship in your 30s because a lot of women want a man who can provide when they are looking for a serious relationship. Like many things in life there are trade offs.
I honestly believe you but usually when men say this it means they were unfit or out of shape as a teenager or in their early 20s.
It is incredibly rare for someone who when young was highly athletic, played a lot of sports and ate well, didn't drink etc to say this. Someone who is healthy, athletic, sporty and in shape when young is generally only likely to go down downhill as they age. There is a reason that the vast majority of professional and semi professional sports the majority of the athletes peak in their 20s. Sometimes the older athletes can still come out on top despite being past their peak physically due to having more experience, better strategy, more mental toughness etc but basically as a man your body (when averaged out overall across a range of attributes such as flexibility, reaction time, recovery time, endurance, strength, etc) will generally peak sometime in your 20s.
But yes sometimes you see out of shape younger guys who get their act together later in life say the same thing you are.
I think it's the difference between looking and feeling "young" and looking and feeling like a man. I was a college athlete the only time I would ever say I was "out of shape" was a short window in my late twenties. Obviously Father Time is undefeated but 6'1 230lbs with wide shoulders and a barrel chest looks better on me than 6'1 190lbs and narrow, I was never a slouch but something changed in my mid 30's where I just became permanently wider, it's unmistakeable. I never had issues with women but they throw themselves at me more now than they did when I was younger. If you're going to scientifically analyze it that's different but how you look and feel isn't necessarily about that.
But again if you just lived like shit and burned yourself out then yea, you're not going to age well.
How my fellow CiK members can take anything this poster says seriously is beyond my level of understanding.
Just kidding bros.
Actually, I'm eagerly anticipating this datasheet:
It's gonna be a banger. Now let's kick things off in style.
Welcome to 10s Only Season After all, it's hard to settle for anything less than you deserve when you're a high quality man with high standards. I really feel that deep in my
There's nothing in the rules that states someone cannot lie about themselves. It would be impossible to verify what everyone says.
However, there's nothing in the rules that says you cannot call someone out, or ask them for more evidence. Big claims require big proof after all.
That said, IIMT isn't consistent with his own posts. He says he gets lots of attention from women, has lots of money saved up, yet cannot marry and have children because it's too expensive. He said in one post a man needs 4 million or something to have a family, lol.
However, there's nothing in the rules that says you cannot call someone out, or ask them for more evidence. Big claims require big proof after all.
That said, IIMT isn't consistent with his own posts. He says he gets lots of attention from women, has lots of money saved up, yet cannot marry and have children because it's too expensive. He said in one post a man needs 4 million or something to have a family, lol.
While having $4 million as a bare minimum to have a family on the whole is an exaggeration I can see it being true in certain cases. For example if you want to get married and have a stay at home wife and have 3 children while living in New York City then $4 million is an entirely reasonable figure. For most people living in a first world country $1 to $2 million is probably more realistic for starting a family. You can obviously do it with much less but at the cost of severe financial pressure.
My all time favorite was his story about the destitute living in poverty single mom who makes 150k a year and couldnt afford to fix her junker car. I'm 100% convinced IIMT is here to start a suicide cult, I've never encountered someone so happy to be miserable to the point where they make up stories and change their words constantly to draw other people into their misery. I swear he was giddy when Israel attacked Iran and we were talking about WW3....
Half my first cousins, of which there are dozens, got married when they were not financially secure in any way whatsoever and they are all doing just fine.....some of them doing incredibly well. Not getting married because of money is an excuse, mind you I'm talking over the last ten years or so not going back to BS romanticizing about the 50's. Being married and starting a family changes you, it makes you ultra focused and changes the way you do things. I've seen it in many of them first hand.
What are you getting at? All of It Is My Time's statements are coherent and make perfect sense.How my fellow CiK members can take anything this poster says seriously is beyond my level of understanding.
Just kidding bros.
Actually, I'm eagerly anticipating this datasheet:
It's gonna be a banger. Now let's kick things off in style.
After all, it's hard to settle for anything less than you deserve when you're a high quality man with high standards. I really feel that deep in mybonerbones
The attention a man gets can vary a lot on how he carries himself. You can improve that with age.
There's nothing inconsistent here. Who are you to be casting stones? You don't even have a few hundred bucks to go to Purpel's meet-up.
I have no reason to doubt IIMT.
He says he gets attention from women. I guess men's brains turn off when women are brought up. He didn't say they're on their knees calling him daddy, asking for the flute. Attention can mean anything. Glances, smiles, women finding your behavior interesting, women feeling comfortable around you, safe around you, women knowing you can hold a conversation, or just you having a very noticeable bulge [moths to a flame]. The possibilities are endless and women are messed up anyway. There's a black pill about infidelity that applies more often than not, lots of women have a dirty mind. No telling where, how and what insane schemes for sexual attention [at the least] they may partake in.
Even though he brags, he doesn't claim to bang. Maybe some kind of imposter syndrome on his part where he doesn't think he can wing it taking it to the next level. I don't know, not our problem.
He says he gets attention from women. I guess men's brains turn off when women are brought up. He didn't say they're on their knees calling him daddy, asking for the flute. Attention can mean anything. Glances, smiles, women finding your behavior interesting, women feeling comfortable around you, safe around you, women knowing you can hold a conversation, or just you having a very noticeable bulge [moths to a flame]. The possibilities are endless and women are messed up anyway. There's a black pill about infidelity that applies more often than not, lots of women have a dirty mind. No telling where, how and what insane schemes for sexual attention [at the least] they may partake in.
Even though he brags, he doesn't claim to bang. Maybe some kind of imposter syndrome on his part where he doesn't think he can wing it taking it to the next level. I don't know, not our problem.
I haven't slept around since I was in college in the 1990's, the dangers were unknown, and it was pretty much normal on college campus to do so. I wouldn't do it again. Also, the kind of vibe I put off isn't hook-up, it is marriage material, that is why women notice me, and I am in no position to be married or have kids right now.
I am lucky to be tall, I eat super healthy, I work out, I dress nice, women notice. If I walk with weak posture, I get no attention, women are just driven to find certain things physically attractive.
When I was younger, I wasn't as confident, so I didn't get nearly as much attention. The attention I get now is really insane, and it is a mix of confidence and being able to read women a lot better than I could 20 some years ago. All in all, it doesn't matter, I don't sleep around, I don't date, I am not looking for a wife, I am looking for a way to get out of the middle-class life in the satanic USA. That is all I care about; I wish the things I did would help me in this regard.
My point is, if you go the stoic route, remove all pleasure from life, you will become much more fit and confident. You look forward to inward personal growth and not outward pleasure. You become more self-resilient, thus less needy, thus even more confident. And women pick up on this very quickly. Matt Forney maybe lost weight and has improved, but reading his comment, he has a long way to go.
The double-edged sword is if you become stoic, you struggle to fit into society and take orders or respect people who live for pleasure and are constantly cutting corners. Making acceptance of life in the satanic USA that much tougher to swallow. And that is where I am, I have to pretend to respect clowns to pay my bills. And selling myself out like that gets tougher and tougher.
Didn't you mention once on the old forums that you've never had a girlfriend before?
I think your sense of reality and discernment is 100% off base given your social isolation. As other people have recalled you have said that you think you at least $5 million to even consider raising a family even when there's multiple people on this very forum that have families and don't have a couple of million dollars on hand. There's also the recent matter of you think that Tel Aviv was no longer going to be on the map after the recent Israel/Iran conflict with your reasoning being that you saw X posts that had big missiles that were making big explosions.
My guess of what is going on here is that IIMT so socially starved that a waitress smiling at him while making small talk with him when he's grabbing a quick smoothie during his 5 minute break when he's in the middle of another 14 hour work day to be IOIs in his eyes. And yes I'll keep bringing up his claims to be working 80 hour week to further remind everyone how unusual and plain weird his lifestyle is because I think someone like this is just going to be viewing everything in the world through a weird funhouse mirrors shaped perspective.
He even has doubled down on this claim and said he got another job on top of the one he is already working 80+ hours a week on. He also claims that his job gives him a lot of chances for social interaction and that's what gives him personal insight of what is going on in society outside of the IV drip of "deep dive" podcasts that he is constantly injecting which I think is pretty much is his only window into the rest of society and the world.
I think your sense of reality and discernment is 100% off base given your social isolation. As other people have recalled you have said that you think you at least $5 million to even consider raising a family even when there's multiple people on this very forum that have families and don't have a couple of million dollars on hand. There's also the recent matter of you think that Tel Aviv was no longer going to be on the map after the recent Israel/Iran conflict with your reasoning being that you saw X posts that had big missiles that were making big explosions.
My guess of what is going on here is that IIMT so socially starved that a waitress smiling at him while making small talk with him when he's grabbing a quick smoothie during his 5 minute break when he's in the middle of another 14 hour work day to be IOIs in his eyes. And yes I'll keep bringing up his claims to be working 80 hour week to further remind everyone how unusual and plain weird his lifestyle is because I think someone like this is just going to be viewing everything in the world through a weird funhouse mirrors shaped perspective.
He even has doubled down on this claim and said he got another job on top of the one he is already working 80+ hours a week on. He also claims that his job gives him a lot of chances for social interaction and that's what gives him personal insight of what is going on in society outside of the IV drip of "deep dive" podcasts that he is constantly injecting which I think is pretty much is his only window into the rest of society and the world.
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I think most men in general can benefit from the stoic route. Nowadays, it's hard to make a distinction in the behavior of the average man and average woman. Everyone thinks emotionally. Not logically.
However, it is not stoicism I'm trying to win souls to. God says to weep with those who weep and rejoice with those who rejoice. How can you do that as a stoic? So between stocism and the Word of God, the Word of God wins out every time.
The built-in flaw of stoicism is that it teaches you to take yourself too seriously. The Bible teaches that you should be humble. You should be able to laugh at yourself. No one is right all the time. Pleasure is not inherently evil. Take pleasure in the good things in Christ.