The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

It_Is_My_Time said:
If it is #2, then Trump just walked us into a whole new war and a rather large one at that. If it is #1, then this will blow over in a few days.
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Looks like you got your bases covered then. So you're saying that something might be happening or that something might not be happening? Great insight. Thanks for posting.

But previously you gleefully stated that you thought that something was indeed happening and that we (America) were already in a whole new war...
It_Is_My_Time said:
... Trump has now drug us into a whole new war.
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So which is it? Actually, please don't answer that because I already know the answer... "You didn't say that."

C'mon guys. Stop falling for it. It's the jews on all sides attacking themselves as an act of normie theater and to get themselves rich(er) depleting weapons stockpiles. It's just war games for the elites. If you don't live in Tehran, Tel Aviv, Moscow, or Kyiv then literally nothing is happening. For example, I'm in the American Southeast and I just paid $2.51 for a gallon of gasoline, good organic eggs with bright orange yolks are back down to $5 a dozen from my neighbor, my rent on my 4,000 sq. ft. warehouse has been $750 a month for 5 years with no increases, every stop light at every intersection in a thousand square mile radius always works, and I-40 all the way to Cali has no roadblocks, no IED's, and approximately 4 potholes in a twenty-eight-hundred mile stretch. So when will any of this foreign bullsh*t directly effect me? Correct answer: "Never." Been hearing the same doom and gloom World War 3 forecasts since I was a kid in the 1970's. Remember, the elites need us to "invest" in (((their))) 401K scams and to put new roofs on their mansions and to deliver their uber eats. Nuclear holocaust effects (((them))) as much as it does us, which is why it won't happen.

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

ENJOY this slow decline. Unfortunately for those doom-pillers who get high on this JQ fake war theater there will be no Armageddon on American soil in this lifetime.
 
dicknixon72 said:
Not trying to be that guy, but every ballistic missile from the V-2 on is hypersonic in its terminal phase.
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The V2 speed at impact is around Mach2 - Mach2.5, so well short of hypersonic (defined as mach 5 +).

Many/most guided missiles have to slow down a bit in order to hit their designated targets, the Iranian missiles that rained down on the Israeli base, the Russian Oreshniks earlier this year or some of the faster ones coming down in the above footage look like hypersonic strikes.
 


So far, several sites are known to have been attacked by Iran. These are the nuclear reactor in Dimona, the Financial Center in Tel Aviv, the Ministry of Economy, the Ministry of Defense, the Tel Nof and Nevatim air bases, the gas platform off the coast of Gaza, and sites in the Haifa area. So far, at least 17 people are known to have been injured, but the rubble is still being cleared.- TASS
 
Iran needs to be very careful at this point. There's a very real chance they could fall victim to a regime change/coup in the weeks and months to come. In fact, it would not surprise me at all if that is the exact scenario that CIA/Mossad has gamed out and is hoping to achieve, by baiting Iran into biting off more than they can chew and then counting on the government's ineptitude and unpopularity to precipitate a catastrophic collapse in public trust. That was the plan with the Ukraine war, but Russia and Putin are much harder and more resilient targets. The Ayatollah and his cronies have so far done little to inspire confidence to a similar degree.

The trouble is they are in a bit of a no-win situation: if they escalate the conflict, they will find themselves in an all-out war with a highly belligerent nuclear power in Israel, a power that will be (presumably) backed by the U.S. military to boot. They might not technically lose this war, but they certainly will not come out stronger on the other side (modern warfare is simply too devastating to indefensible civilian infrastructure), and even a draw spun into a "victory" could prove pyrrhic. On the other hand, if they de-escalate, they reveal themselves as completely toothless, and will simply invite further aggression from Israel down the line. Such weakness also makes internal strife and division more likely, increasing the odds of a successful coup.
 
LaAguilaNegra said:
Now that the gloves have come off we're finally about to see the fruits of the IR-RU cooperation in action, aka the much fabled Iranian acquisition of Su35s and S400s. All Putin had to was deliver. Embarrassing.
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Been hearing about this since at least 2012 that Russia was going to supply Syria, and then Iran, with capable air defense.

Syria shot down a Russian plane while trying to defend against an Israeli air attack in an apparent set up a few years ago, which looked like Israel knew EXACTLY what were the capabilities of the, I think, S-300s the Syrians were using at the time.

And a similar scenario played out more recently where Iran shot down one of its own passenger jets.

It looks like Israel has the upper hand and that Russia either does not have or does not properly share its air defense.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
#2) Russia and/or China gave Iran the green light to attack and promised to offer some kind of support in what will cause a large war in the region.
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If Russia were going to get involved, they would have done more earlier this year to protect Syria.

One of Putin's promises is not to get involved in foreign wars. He stuck to this when Turkey/NATO shot down that Russian SU-24 in 2015 and I think he will stick to it now.

I think China can benefit from live fire testing of its new weapons (a long held US MIC strategy), and make money, without putting skin in the game.

China likes Iranian oil, but not enough to get directly involved, which would probably raise their overall annual oil cost from an actual war more than Iran continuing to be thrashed by Israel in this limited way.
 
Cooper said:
Tel Aviv right now...

GtWSedKW0AAfruz


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