I didn't say the young woman deserves as much sympathy as the young man, just that she deserves sympathy. It's not easy to break through deception if you're fed lies from childhood.
The Destruction of Modern Women
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I didn't say the young woman deserves as much sympathy as the young man, just that she deserves sympathy. It's not easy to break through deception if you're fed lies from childhood.
You're operating off a false dichotomy. No one is denying that young men are victims, they couldn't help being born into this. But that does not mean they are not also victimizers. You can't beat off to porn and chase whores then turn around and complain about not being able to find a good woman. It don't work that way
The same goes for women. They are victims in the sense that they were raised to be whores by whores and are ignorant of the modest life. But ignorance is not innocence. So by living and incentivizing the whore life, they remain victimizers.
Both can be forgiven, but both must take responsibility. If there is one thing that unrepentant sinners can't do, it's take responsibility.
I understand you to have a weak stance on abortion. Why would you take a weak stance on one of the key factors that enables this whorish enterprise?
I can't believe I'm famous and living rent free in the minds of The Enemy. I never thought my life would amount to so much and that I'd be important enough for a stalker to stalk me for what is now going on 10 years and to take so many copious amount of notes on my past life. But let me give you some updates and revisions for your novel, "The Life And Times Of Purple Urkel: A Memoir Of Greatness":
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Like I said a few pages ago, while people born into sin are innocent at first, they can become culpable over time if they do not work to overcome it.
Everyone does this by the way - which is why we all intrinsically give sympathy to a child, than we would a teen, then a young adult, then adult, then elderly. At each stage people expect others to "grow up" and learn how to combat the sins they inherited.
So for the boys born into a world where porn is available at the local library computer, I find them to be victims and not responsible.
I don't understand this. If you had a son and you caught him surfing porn on the web, would you discipline him? If so, why? If not, why?
This false either-or dialectic of victim vs victimizer is a classic Marxist mindset. Once you give yourself permanent victim status, you never see yourself as the one perpetrating the problem, and thus remove any impetus to take responsibility and correct your behavior. That's exactly why leftists behave the way that they do.
Feminists do the same thing that you're doing right now. They give their side a pass by declaring themselves the victims and declaring the other side to be all victimizers. This pitting of the sexes against each other is a tool of Satan.
Again, the only way this gets fixed is for both sides to take accountability. The fastest way to make women take accountability is to remove abortion, so that they can no longer fornicate without restraint. Until then, we will remain in the situation we find ourselves in.
Never said anything of the sort.
Obviously, a scenario where they get disciplined for it would be ideal, but I think most men who use porn never had parents who cared enough to discipline them and to protect them from pornography. Most people born after the year 2000 were simply handed an internet-capable device and told to shut up instead of being raised. I think if you ask your average porn user what led to him using porn for the first time, "I had unrestricted and unsupervised internet access when puberty hit and my hormones were going insane" will almost always be the answer. This being the case, I agree with Samseau's view that boys who start watching porn are really just victims of their circumstances.
It's different after they grow up, of course. There is a very different level of moral culpability between a 25-year-old man who uses porn every day and is very noticeably lecherous and dull as a result, and a 12-year-old boy who inexplicably owns a smartphone and of course finds out about porn as an inevitability. Either they constantly get bombarded with pornographic ads even when they just try to play innocent games or watch pirated anime or whatever, or someone, usually a same-age peer but unfortunately often an adult, introduces them to porn.
Are girls who start whoring away really just victims of their circumstances as well? At this rate, the average family doesn't have a problem with it. They might even supply the birth control. How's a young girl to know any better if no one is telling her otherwise? Again, dispense with this false either victim or victimizer mindset. No sin is innocent.
Samseau shifted the goalpost of his argument. We were not talking about young boys watching porn on the local library computer. This is what we were talking about:
This is backwards thinking. It would be like saying that there is nothing we can hold against young women who participate in hook up culture, since they are merely trying to alleviate their starvation of male affection (not lust). We laugh at women who complain about not being able to find a good man after living the slut life. But with the other face we turn around and say that men are fine to engage in sin since they are just attention starved.
On a Christian level, Samseau is right in that there is nothing you can hold against anybody since you yourself are a sinner who needed forgiveness. But on a cultural level, the mindset is that there is nothing you can hold against anybody because it is their body, their choice, and they are just doing what makes them happy. If you want to fix the problem, you do not heap more grace on people already given over to licentiousness. That kind of grace is no grace at all. You give them Law. First, by speaking God's Word prophetically to them. Second, by going after the things that enable and promote their sin, such as pornography, abortion, no-fault divorce, etc.
I don't know much about these two guys but I found this clip interesting. The (((Weinstein))) guy has a good hypothesis as to why modern woman are so wishy-washy and confused about what "role" they want to play within the confines of a heterosexual relationship/marriage. They want to work outside the home but are unhappy with the men in their workplace who put in extra effort by staying late and working weekends because women want to cut out at 5pm sharp to be with their friends and family. So they resent the type of man who puts in extra hours/effort to "beat" them in the workplace. Yet at home they want that same type of workaholic man that they resent in the workplace to pick up the domestic/financial slack so that they can spend more time at... you guessed it... the workplace. A completely schitzoid contradiction that leads careerist women to be existentially unhappy with men in general which leads them to initiate 70%+ of all relationship break-ups and divorces. In other words, women have too many choices, and thus can't decide if they love men or hate men, leaving them perpetually confused, depressed, resentful, and dissatisfied with the men in their lives.
Starved of male attention? They are inundated with in from an early age. Sometimes there are girls with abusive fathers, however, most girls grow up with the princess treatment and have no shortage of men spoiling her, from fathers, cousins, or other boys at school, plus her other girlfriends.
Boys on the other hand literally have no one to talk to other than other boys. Most boys won't even get a kiss in high school, and yet for most of history most men would be looking at marriage by the time they were 18.
Just using your logic. Who are the women whoring with? You can't blame women for being whores and give men a pass for chasing whores at the same time. It takes two to tango. Rather, assign responsibility to both.
Men should stop caring what modern career women are attracted to. They should be avoided entirely. We should be using that time to focus on improving our own lives and putting ourselves in places to meet traditional women that don't make men's lives hell.
Men need to stop enabling horrible women.
In my experience, working in a very social setting, they are mostly whoring with other women. If not other women, a very small percent of men will give them the pleasure they are seeking, without too many others knowing of their sleeping around. A tiny % of men find a hack into how to sleep around and the women are okay with these few men doing so. Most of this tiny % are super good looking guys, often athletes, often even men their own fathers cheer for and live vicariously through while watcing sportsball on TV.
We're not bemoaning over dykes.
The 80/20 rule is a problem, I agree. So without speaking in generalities, how do we solve this problem?
These young women are not lesbians, but they want to "experiment". Experimenting proves to them they can get this pleasure, without a relationship or even a "body count" in their mind. I know of one young, beautiful, intelligent, happy, kind young woman, whom I thought "wow, she would be a good mother". A few times I have heard her talking about her escapades with other women. And she is straight and now has a boyfriend. I see it a lot with young straight women. I work in a very social setting, and I am privy to behind-the-scenes knowledge.
The only fix I see is overthrowing the system that treats men as 2nd class citizens. And I don't see that happening any time soon. The most likely outcome is the system eventually crashes in on itself and hopefully thereafter men learn that women have no role in politics or most of the outside world, outside of raising children and tending to the sick and elderly.
Is this system not pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-pornography, pro-divorce, pro-fornication?
Yes, the system that treats men as 2nd class citizens is also all of these four satanic things.
So if we want to solve the problem and overthrow the system, shouldn't we as men take the responsibility to not engage in, enable, and promote these things, and further, should seek instead to abolish these things?