I agree with the points Francis K made a few points above and feel that even the term "white nationalist" is dumb because its utterly meaningless as white people are not a monolith. A German person and a French person are very different and a French considers himself French not "white" and the German considers himself German and feels himself to be utterly different to a Frenchmen. People who want to be nationalists should be a German nationalist or a French nationalist or a Tunisian nationalist etc. White nationalist as a concept makes no sense and only occurs in countries where identity is very confused you don't see nationalists in Europe calling themselves white nationalists.
The Destruction of Modern Women
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100% this. You will see a lot of low IQ white nationalists refuse to marry a girl who is Turkish or Latina etc then they proceed to marry a 35 year old post wall feminist American or Canadian woman etc who has taken 30 dicks already and is utterly mentally destroyed. But somehow he is doing god;s work by saving the white race. In reality all those types of men are doing is creating the type of society you would see in the movie idiocracy.
Right. Sorry if I derailed the thread there.
As I've stated before, I disagree with the claim that women of other races are significantly better or less destroyed than White women. Of course, smurfing with first world money in a third world country still does make everything significantly easier due to the massive status boost, and things are rough so I don't think it makes any sense to fault a man for taking what he can get. At the same time, "miscegenation is still evil" is a perfectly reasonable position to hold. It is still evil. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but the negative effects of miscegenation go much, much further than simply "your kids might not look quite like you."
I do often see them acknowledging that this is the biggest problem. There are some White Nationalists who are feminists at heart, who love repeating that one corny slogan about the beauty of the White woman, and who get really angry when someone brings up that there are next to no marriage-worthy White women. But it's not all of them.
From what I have seen on places like Twitter, when people criticize or mock Vance for marrying an Indian, it's not because she's not white, but specifically because she's Indian. Not just ethnically (which would already be quite bad - I don't think there is a single demographic on the face of the Earth more dysgenic than Indians, except maybe Australian abos), but also religiously. Hinduism is devil worship. You're telling me he'll be praying the to Jesus in one room while his wife worships the devil in the next room? I'm sorry, I think Vance is cool, and I have to apologize for chiming in on something related to American politics since I think that's out of line for me as a non-American, but that's just objectively disgusting and people are correct to identify it as such.
Iakobos
Orthodox
Apologies for continuing an off-topic discussion but I wanted to highlight this, I think your point is under-addressed and one of the biggest issues with white American culture. White Americans have no thousands of years of tradition to look back on, best they can do is look at the American revolution or American exceptionalism before the country got Jewed since the 20th century. Which isn't much to draw upon compared to most races & nations. For blended white European-Americans whose families have been here for many generations, unless you have long-established roots in certain areas of the country, virtually any kind of cultural identity is a hollow LARP, whether it be a diluted European ancestry or white nationalism.
Groups like Patriot Front try to synthesize a new identity in the stead of a traditional identity. While I don't support PF they do seem to understand this issue exists. But I don't see this as being successful on the primary basis of race without Christianity in the package. Otherwise the culture's shared values become too arbitrary and nebulous. And the country has a the better part of a century of cultural detritus that needs to be jettisoned for a positive & constructive identity to be possible.
I agree with that completely but I want to make it a point to say I'm not against the concept there is absolutely nothing wrong with having pride in who you are and it's not for me to decide what that is. I have no interest in knocking down "white" people, in fact they should be very proud people. I know I sure as hell have pride in my rich and deep ancient culture and it's a beautiful thing to have such a strong cohesive community behind me. "Whites" should absolutely have pride in being who they are, they built this beautiful country I call my own to say the least of their achievements.
But yes agreed that the concept itself just doesn't add up. You're claiming all these people as "white" but these people don't claim you....at all....in fact they see you as impure. Mind you I came to this conclusion here on this forum, just from the way the argument constantly shifts. If it benefits the argument then this specific race is "white", if it doesn't benefit the argument then they are not.....I've noticed a lot of that and has led me to believe that the whole race thing is an identity cope.
Relating that to the topic on hand, you're already mixed with god knows how many different cultures and I promise you there are some cultures in there where the people in those native lands do not call themselves "white". So now all of a sudden it's a problem with mixing with other cultures because you have decided to label yourself "white", like you're not already a mix as it is....something you can never change. Doesn't make a lot of sense that ship has already long sailed and that's coming from someone who thinks preserving culture is extremely important and who is 100% of one specific culture all the way down the line as far as it goes.
Preserve your culture through Christianity, start a family make babies and raise them through the traditions of the Church so they do the same with their children and there you have a strong unified culture. Sorry it's too late for "race purity"....you're multiple generations removed from that.
It's not that non-White women are better off or not. It's that if you are White with an even half decent cash flow, you have a significant advantage in securing a non-White wife. White is a beautiful skin color and those outside of the race find it attractive and exotic. So it isn't too tough for White guys to be passport bros, there is a massive demand for White men outside of the White race, far higher than within the White race.
As for miscegenation, that does not exist if one marries within the Church, and that goes double for the Orthodox Church. Does not matter what race she is, marriage is a holy sacrament and blessed by God. There will not be miscegenation through Orthodox marriages.
Those are the WNs I can sorta understand, but again, it makes no sense for a WN to be upset about White men dating out of the race when there is a supply issue. White Nationalists are basically asking White men to go celibate until their White unicorn comes along, which is just laughable.
It's already next to impossible to get men to go celibate for God, can you imagine asking them to wait 5-15 years for the mythical good White girl? Just ridiculous.
But this misses the point. It doesn't matter if Vance dates outside of his race because there is a shortage of eligible White women. That's WHY the manosphere exists, a massive glut of single White men who cannot find a suitable WF to marry.
So it doesn't matter if Vance marries out, if anything, he's doing other White men a favor because there is less competition for White women now.
As for his wife being pagan, it's actually not an issue for dozens of reasons, chief among them is that the Church has been dealing with this for thousands of years. As long as they marry in the Church and baptize their kids, the spouse is extra. Since both of these things have happened, then it follows she's a good wife who just hasn't made the full conversion yet.
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I'm with that, I just don't get it....you have no standing to tell any man who they should or shouldn't marry and start a family with in the name of racial purity because you're not racially pure yourself. When you take it there it just becomes delusion instead of pride.
Let me put it into perspective. I'm Chaldean my ancestors come from the region now named Iraq which is obviously in the Middle East. If I marry a girl say for instance Lebanese Christian, well then my kids are mixed race according to my culture means nothing that we're from the same region and have the same skin tone. There is a small amount of other Christians in Iraq who are not Chaldean, even if she's from Iraq and Christian if she's not Chaldean well then guess what my kids are still mixed race to my people! How about this one, if I marry a girl from a different village, still Chaldean still the same culture, religions and ancestors, while it's not as bad people will still make innocent half jokes about my kids being mutts.
But you're God knows how many different ethnicities that the pie chart looks you're looking through a kaleidoscope and you're going to tell a "white" man he shouldn't marry someone who has a different skin tone otherwise they are impure....
Come on, how did you even pull off those mental gymnastics? You yourself want to keep your racial identity great you do that it's not a bad thing but to try and tell someone else they should do that for the sake of racial purity is incredibly nonsensical coming from someone who calls themselves "white". Find a good woman, get married under God, make some strong healthy God fearing and loving babies who will pass the same down to their kids......that's what we need in this world.
That's it, that's all. I don't think we have any "blue-pilled white nationalists" on this forum. That's taking it a bit too far. Advocating for white survival, being attracted to white female beauty, and liking some things about Hitler (mainly his take on the JQ) doesn't make you a blue pilled white nationalist.
Attractive white women in the US have with no doubt jumped the hypergamy shark and are thus overestimating their value while underestimating men's value, but this goes for all attractive women regardless of race. What we are really speaking of when we speak of race (besides some controversial issues of IQ) is physical beauty. And there is no doubt that American, Scandanavian, Eastern European, and Russian "white" women can deliver in that department, but so can any race, maybe just not with quite the consistency.
It's going to be very difficult in 2025 to lock down an 8+ beautiful God pilled woman of any race, anywhere in the world (because the intetnet and OnlyFans are everywhere). And sure, because the JQ globohomo brainwashing machine has targeted American white women the hardest they are going to be the most difficult to acquire, but the mission is not impossible. Quite the contrary, with God all things are possible.
Whites have been mixing for a long time. Thats why white is white. I'm of British heritage, which means a lot of Saxon blood. Saxons came from nowadays Denmark and were essentially northern Germans. Not much difference between a German and a Britain.
Unless you're from Italy or southern Spain or something.
Unless you're from Italy or southern Spain or something.
This is like saying, God will give me my favorite food, instead of the food delivered right to me. If a delicious fish fillet appears before you, you'll turn it down, saying, "With God all things are possible" and wait for the sirloin steak?
No my friend, you aren't walking with God, you're just following your own desires and not what God actually knows is best for you. You're hoping God will give you what you want, and you're treating God like a piggy bank you can keep shaking until the correct amount of change falls out.
Doesn't work that way and most people who hope for these things become very disappointed, often to the point where they lose faith in God.
God said he will give us what we need, not what we want. Idolizing race is, in fact, a good way to ensure God won't give it to you because He can see that race is an actual spiritual impediment.
All any man can ask for is for God to send him a good wife, and that he Trusts God, and will be happy with whatever God provides Him. That is the humble approach that God loves and usually anything else will be ignored.
Miscegenation means race mixing. It has nothing to do with faith. It's a matter of genetics, it's in the realm of the material. Different races have very different innate tendencies and temperaments (e.g White faustian spirit, Asian bug-like conformity), different physical traits both external and internal (e.g Asians have less androgen receptors), different propensities and resistances to various mental and physical health problems (e.g Jews are significantly more likely than other races to have schizophrenia and autism), and so on and so forth. These traits often do not mix well or can enter into conflict with one another, creating mental and physical health problems.
There's much more to it - I'm sure you could easily find writings by men significantly smarter than I am detailing why it's bad and all of its negative effects on the resulting children. I really don't understand why you're even bringing up the sacraments here. Is there, like, a writing from a Saint somewhere that says marriage prevents the bad effects of race-mixing? Genuine question.
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Of course I have no right to tell anyone what to do, nor is that my intention. All I'm saying is, it's not irrational to be concerned with racial purity. I am not particularly concerned with it myself since I am indeed already total mystery meat.
Oh not at all brother, I wasn't referring to you or anyone specifically and I agree it does mean something although I don't think "racial" is the right word I think it should be cultural purity, your culture is what matters the color of your skin or even the continent you're from really doesn't mean a whole lot in regards to who you are. I have whiter skin than many "whites", my grandma had blonde hair blue eyes I have first cousins and even uncles that are fair skinned and blonde with colored eyes, my older sister is as white as a ghost....
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While there is some truth to this as has already been discussed ad nauseam on the forum and I know that you agree regarding this is that this only really applies if you you don't bring the woman back to the west as bringing the woman to a western country corrupts her and gives her too much leverage thus nullifying any advantage that you initially had. If you want to marry a non white woman you need to stay in her country or at least stay in a non western country. While being white might help a little by far the financial factor is the dominant force.
For example when I was in Colombia or Mexico the upper class women would barely acknowledge my existence and I could not get a date with a single one of them. They all gave me massive attitude. All of the girls I dated while in Colombia or Mexico were working class or middle class.
Where are you getting this stuff from? And why are you being so defensive on the issue of race to the extent of claiming another man on this forum is not walking with God? Who are you to judge? And in doing so, you are engaging in the very acts you so freely accuse others of. You are the one focused on race because you are of mixed-race. It's called internalized racism. My posts are not at all hardline on race and "whiteness," much less am I focused on it like you are. I've stated clearly that I'm four years into celibate monk mode and that the only thing that can knock me off this path is divine intervention. And this gets attacked with "You are living a low life of sin by not getting married!" and then when I state, "If I did get married I'd prefer to have children with a woman of my own race," this gets attacked with, "You aren't walking with God you race baiting racist!" As stated before, two sh*ts given about race, I just have preferences like you. Would you marry a fat ugly woman? No. I simply view most (not all) black women like you do fat ugly women, so if you live in a glass house, which you do, please stop continuing to throw stones...
Shaquilleoatmeal
Protestant
Nope, most of those men post in this thread, it takes just a few seconds to use the search tunction.I used to think this stuff was common knowledge on this forum, but see here:
7 men and 1 woman liked that post, which strongly suggests there is a significant minority of blue-pillers here on this forum. Pretty amazing this could come out of the old Roosh forum.
Notice, I think all of the people who liked Music's post do not post in this thread. Even though this thread is nearly 90 pages long, we still have men who willfully bury their heads in the sand despite all evidence to the contrary.
@Shawn1230 was the only user who didn’t post in this thread.
Weak? You literally banned Music and then responded to part of his post in order to get the last word for a week. This is very similar to what people on Reddit do, respond to a user and then block so they're unable to respond.
This is also after you originally responded with a "slop" emoji, (because of a lack of reading most likely), followed by changing it to a ban emoji after reading it.
There is some truth to this but you are greatly exaggerating it.
It ranks so far down the list of things that are likely to cause problems for your children:
-A lot of western white women are overweight this affects the health of the children in a lot of ways.
-Most white western women took the Covid jab this can affect the genes of the children.
-A lot of white women spent many years on birth control. This can affect the children when they are born.
-Many western white women are either on anti-depressants, are alcoholics or smoke weed regularly. All of these things can have a hereditary effect on the children.
-Western white women are usually batshit crazy and feminists and thus will raise your children in a bad manner affecting their mental health and brainwashing them
That is just a few examples there are many others.
The risks you are taking in terms of mental and physical problems for your children from miscegenation are often still far less than the negative effects of procreating with the run of the mill western white woman.
You are pretending that its an "all else being equal scenario" but clearly all else is not equal.
Reminds me of Kosovo and North Macedonia.
I am not pretending anything. All I am saying is that miscegenation has negative effects and, optimally, it should be avoided. I am not saying anything else whatsoever. Obviously those things you mentioned matter too.
Much more ancient than them but yea, third world peasant crap. It's not like it used to be but it still plays...gotta make the family happy and preserve the culture. I remember when you were talking about when you were out there and didn't understand why all the pretty girls were married to loser shreks....well there you go, it's not the west they don't value the same things that the west does it's deeper than the surface.
I can't even begin to describe the deformed old guys that stunning young good Chaldean girls marry, right here in the USA. But there is much much more to that topic...
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