The Destruction of Modern Women

[M.Balakirev]

What exactly stopped that woman from marrying a man and being a stay at home mum? I am guessing as usual hypergamy. There would have been plenty of men happy to offer it to her but she only wants a rich, tall and handsome chad. A normal guy is not good enough for her.

I think the reality is that ALL women deep in their hearts want to submit to the man of their dreams, except there's not enough to go around. Let's be honest, she's just not attractive or youthful enough to get chad to commit and is probably sick, sore, and tired of perfectly solid guys orbiting. My problem is that I'm not really chad enough, or rich, and neither am I a patsy which their little hamsters detect also, so she'd probably blow me out.

I never fully understood why upwardly mobile 7-8 women settle for the socially successful beta male, complete with the spectacular wedding n' all, until fairly recently, and it's because the older ones are still conditioned by society to marry, yet deep in their hearts, it's really a dual-mating strategy as a substitute that's only being semi-fulfilled because 'cheating' is VERY BAD. The poor guy who's totally infatuated (because he got the girl) is blissfully unaware that she will always yearn for the chad, or jerkboy as a cheaper substitute. I think what we're seeing now, particularly amongst younger women, is that they're socially part of a harem getting all the fun with the few chads, yet enjoying uber attention via social media. The average THOT in 2024 would make Cleopatra very jealous.

I totally believe in Christ's teaching in how we men should conduct ourselves in our relationships with women, but back then, socially, things were probably much more favourable and I highly doubt women were damaged either with all the fornication and broken hearts. Their expecations would have been lower too.

This sounds like a secular assessment, and it isn't as I'm including 'Christian' women here as well because I've found them by far the worst to get some interaction with on and offline.

 

[budoslavic]

An unhinged white woman was arguing with a black woman, who was a Former Chair Alexandria GOP and Former Candidate for Mayor of Alexandria according to her Twitter profile. Black woman (@anetta_of) was sitting with her friends (pro-Trump group); white woman was with her friend, another white woman (anti-Trump).

@annetta_of:

“As a conservative woman I could never vote for Kamala Harris b/c...”

What happened next was 3 separate attacks from this stranger! Her friend had to hold her back. I was called uneducated as she proceeded to give me her resumé.

#Unhinged

Unhinged white woman: "...I am...national security expert..."

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Maybe I should date an aggressive black woman, and she can put all the unhinged liberal white women in their place.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Yeah she seems insufferable. She'd either annoy the hell out of a man with options, or make a simp's life hell. I do feel bad for her because of all the brainwashing these girls go through.

But ever since I started going to church and taking it seriously, I've met plenty of people that married young. And women that want to be housewives. It really helps for them to grow up in the right environment though.

Any motor mouth like that is an easy pass. She's basically been morphed into what she despises.

 

[The Penitent Man]

Masses of Satanic Whores March Through the Streets Demanding Murder of Own Children - Daily Stormer

Thousands with the Women’s March are on the move through downtown Washington. Banner out in front re

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[Blade Runner]

What exactly stopped that woman from marrying a man and being a stay at home mum? I am guessing as usual hypergamy. There would have been plenty of men happy to offer it to her but she only wants a rich, tall and handsome chad. A normal guy is not good enough for her.

I looked at her and thought the same thing during the mimicry diatribe. The younger woman tried to nicely spell that out to her, as well. That woman is classic, and you nailed it - she's a 5 at best with features that not anyone would particularly be like "Yeah I'm linked to this woman for 50 years!" and I guarantee she wants a taller guy closer to 7.

I think the reality is that ALL women deep in their hearts want to submit to the man of their dreams, except there's not enough to go around. Let's be honest, she's just not attractive or youthful enough to get chad to commit and is probably sick, sore, and tired of perfectly solid guys orbiting. My problem is that I'm not really chad enough, or rich, and neither am I a patsy which their little hamsters detect also, so she'd probably blow me out.

Even guys who are 5 or 6, if they are 21-24, aren't going to look at that girl and be attracted to her unless she is calm, demure, and a caretaker type. She isn't. The only way you get to be a loud, motor mouth type is if you are ok to marry a quiet man who just puts up with your shit who isn't all that manly in classic ways. That's fine, but you have to know that. With her attitude and looks, she needs to realize that she compromises hard (she won't) or she's cat lady, which will be happening soon.

I totally believe in Christ's teaching in how we men should conduct ourselves in our relationships with women, but back then, socially, things were probably much more favourable and I highly doubt women were damaged either with all the fornication and broken hearts. Their expecations would have been lower too.

The biggest problem is that we have old people who remember the older days when women were still, mostly restricted and they raised generations without any real enforcement or standards. You can talk about Christ and egalitarianism all you want, but if you can't discern the feminine chaos that is far more base than any man's T even, you basically just predestine a major waste of women and their potentiality. The reason, as you all know, I've found that makes this more palatable is that we just had a huge population boom that explains it. It's sad because it seems unnecessary but it's pretty obvious. I think we are finally sending a message that women aren't worth it but that will sacrifice 1.5-2 generations. That means the explorer male that can go to other places is the only hope for extending a family line into the future, if that's your desire.

 

[Samseau]

What exactly stopped that woman from marrying a man and being a stay at home mum? I am guessing as usual hypergamy. There would have been plenty of men happy to offer it to her but she only wants a rich, tall and handsome chad. A normal guy is not good enough for her.

Honestly, the amount of men that can support a woman at the same standard of living women had it in the 1950's is probably fewer than 20% of men. I sympathize with women on this very much.

It's easy to say women need to lower their expectations, but then again so do men. Men shouldn't be expecting 10's to be their loyal wife either.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

It's easy to say women need to lower their expectations, but then again so do men. Men shouldn't be expecting 10's to be their loyal wife either.

Even a 6 appears to be too much to ask these days, honestly.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

That's a great point and very important to remember that most men aren't all that great either.

To counter that a little bit though, I grew up very spoiled and live to a lower standard of living as an adult. I don't mind it. Life is peaceful and I have everything I need at the moment. My career would pay enough for a family as I move up, but nothing extravagant money wise.

A lot of women want and expect too much crap, especially the ones that grew up spoiled. The material things and eating out at overpriced restaurants. None of it matters. I'll take a job I don't hate and the simple life over being unhappy for an entitled princess.

 

[Blade Runner]

Honestly, the amount of men that can support a woman at the same standard of living women had it in the 1950's is probably fewer than 20% of men. I sympathize with women on this very much.

It's easy to say women need to lower their expectations, but then again so do men. Men shouldn't be expecting 10's to be their loyal wife either.

I agree. That's not anywhere near the expectation though. I don't find mischaracterization of what's really going on - not that anything is changing for some time by the way - to help.

 

[Blade Runner]

Even a 6 appears to be too much to ask these days, honestly.

Which is my point. I can give a woman a much better standard, for example. The paradox is that I don't want to give it to a woman that expects it and takes it for granted, which is most. The problem then is finding a young or fit wife, another issue with not wanting to provide a lifetime of sponsorship without someone who has skin in the game.

The truth is, there is a low, low supply of attractive women. Add the demand of too many men, and you have what you have.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Honestly, the amount of men that can support a woman at the same standard of living women had it in the 1950's is probably fewer than 20% of men. I sympathize with women on this very much.

It's easy to say women need to lower their expectations, but then again so do men. Men shouldn't be expecting 10's to be their loyal wife either.

That woman is far from a 10, which is my whole point. Unlike most women most men have already lowered their standards to realistic levels. Most men earning $100,000 would be happy to marry a 6 who has a body count of 5 - 10 and is aged 28 - 31. Most 28 or 29 year old women who are a 6 think they deserve a handsome, muscular 6 foot chad who earns $150,000 per year (i.e. a top 1% man). Women are far more deluded than men and its not even remotely comparable.

 

[Samseau]

That woman is far from a 10, which is my whole point. Unlike most women most men have already lowered their standards to realistic levels. Most men earning $100,000 would be happy to marry a 6 who has a body count of 5 - 10 and is aged 28 - 31. Most 28 or 29 year old women who are a 6 think they deserve a handsome, muscular 6 foot chad who earns $150,000 per year (i.e. a top 1% man). Women are far more deluded than men and its not even remotely comparable.

I'm not arguing which side is more deluded. Considering how much women dump their boyfriends and husbands, we all know women are the majority of the problem today.

That doesn't change the fact that there are still lots of men with unrealistic expectations of the kind of women they want.

 

[FrancisK]

I'm not arguing which side is more deluded. Considering how much women dump their boyfriends and husbands, we all known women are the majority of the problem today.

That doesn't change the fact that there are still lots of men with unrealistic expectations of the kind of women they want.

Furthering that, the concept of being upset that a woman won't "settle" for you instead of bettering yourself to be more suitable to a better mate....

One side may be more extreme than the other but it does definitely go both ways.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

Furthering that, the concept of being upset that a woman won't "settle" for you instead of bettering yourself to be more suitable to a better mate....

One side may be more extreme than the other but it does definitely go both ways.

The "just become the final boss of men, bro" thing is exhausting to hear at this point, frankly. There's only so much working out, waging, reading, investing and heckin' networking you can do before you completely hit the cap of what your time and energy allows for, and that's assuming you have a superhuman level of focus and forego all "non-productive" leisure activities. This is especially the case if you sleep 8 hours a day.

Days truly are too short. I often find myself sleeping 2-5 hours a night because I simply feel like I have not "achieved" or "produced" enough, and it's easy to fall into the strange mentality that to sleep means to teleport to the next day, and that the current day is not over until you sleep, and so you can extend the day as you feel is needed. I believe most men around my age (early and mid 20s) have this same problem these days, and it appears to be largely rooted in the belief, whether conscious or not, that "the reason I don't have a loyal wife and a happy family is just because I haven't heckin' self-improved enough".

Now here's the thing. This man you're imagining who doesn't work on himself and still expects a good and attractive woman to "settle" for him? He is rare, and I assure you he is not on this forum. The overwhelming majority of men my age I have ever met are doing a mighty fine job at cultivating themselves. They have decent to impressive physiques, they are honest and hard working, they earn decent money, they truly do their best. In spite of this, virtually all of them are either incels, or stuck with some demonic shrill whore that very clearly looks down on them and constantly emasculates them.

I'm sure it's because these young men engage in "icky" hobbies like videogames and anime that this is the case. Surely if they just start living in a gym and doing nothing but whittle wood, pray, read, and work out all day every day, if they just spend copious amounts of time on redpill forums learning "game", if they just come up with tactics to work around the fact that women get "the ick" when men fail to behave like antisocial dindus... If they just, if they just, if they just. All for what? To marry someone's used goods? At some point, people just need to stop blaming young men for everything.

 

[FrancisK]

The "just become the final boss of men, bro" thing is exhausting to hear at this point, frankly. There's only so much working out, waging, reading, investing and heckin' networking you can do before you completely hit the cap of what your time and energy allows for, and that's assuming you have a superhuman level of focus and forego all "non-productive" leisure activities. This is especially the case if you sleep 8 hours a day.

Days truly are too short. I often find myself sleeping 2-5 hours a night because I simply feel like I have not "achieved" or "produced" enough, and it's easy to fall into the strange mentality that to sleep means to teleport to the next day, and that the current day is not over until you sleep, and so you can extend the day as you feel is needed. I believe most men around my age (early and mid 20s) have this same problem these days, and it appears to be largely rooted in the belief, whether conscious or not, that "the reason I don't have a loyal wife and a happy family is just because I haven't heckin' self-improved enough".

Now here's the thing. This man you're imagining who doesn't work on himself and still expects a good and attractive woman to "settle" for him? He is rare, and I assure you he is not on this forum. The overwhelming majority of men my age I have ever met are doing a mighty fine job at cultivating themselves. They have decent to impressive physiques, they are honest and hard working, they earn decent money, they truly do their best. In spite of this, virtually all of them are either incels, or stuck with some demonic shrill whore that very clearly looks down on them and constantly emasculates them.

I'm sure it's because these young men engage in "icky" hobbies like videogames and anime that this is the case. Surely if they just start living in a gym and doing nothing but whittle wood, pray, read, and work out all day every day, if they just spend copious amounts of time on redpill forums learning "game", if they just come up with tactics to work around the fact that women get "the ick" when men fail to behave like antisocial dindus... If they just, if they just, if they just. All for what? To marry someone's used goods? At some point, people just need to stop blaming young men for everything.

"just become the final boss of men, bro"

Who said this stupid line that you put it in quotes?


You're going pretty extreme with it are you not? It's much more simpler than any of that, I'm not imaging anything of anyone or assigning blame I'm making a common sense statement. If you better yourself you have a better chance of finding a good woman, that's it. There is no downside to bettering yourself, just like you wouldn't settle for a subpar woman it goes the other way as well. You don't want to waste your time on a worthless woman because you're a good man, well a good woman would say the same the other way.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

"just become the final boss of men, bro"
Who said this stupid line that you put it in quotes?

I am addressing a common sentiment I often see and hear, and presenting it in a very brief and absurd way for rethorical purposes.

You're going pretty extreme with it are you not? It's much more simpler than any of that, I'm not imaging anything of anyone or assigning blame I'm making a common sense statement. If you better yourself you have a better chance of finding a good woman, that's it. There is no downside to bettering yourself, just like you wouldn't settle for a subpar woman it goes the other way as well. You don't want to waste your time on a worthless woman because you're a good man, well a good woman would say the same the other way.

You said "Furthering that, the concept of being upset that a woman won't "settle" for you instead of bettering yourself to be more suitable to a better mate...."

With this, you are addressing an imaginary/hypothetical lazy and entitled young man, who expects a woman to settle for him while doing nothing to improve himself, and you are telling him that such behavior is retarded. I agree in principle. Obviously, improving yourself will improve your chances.

What I am saying is that this is a rather unserious and dishonest framing of the issue. The overwhelming majority of young men are very much working hard to better themselves. In fact, my generation is obsessed with acquiring wealth and muscles to the point where it is unhealthy. Half my peers have gone into debt to acquire status symbols and/or are steroid users. Social media is chock full of grindset type material and constant attempts to flaunt whatever wealth or physique you have (or pretend to have).

I once had a friend ask me to help him take a picture of him showing off his back muscles while facing the sun in my balcony for his Instagram, because he did not have a balcony of his own. Young men try to portray an idealized version of their lives on Instagram because they believe it will improve their chances of finding a woman.

Yes, indeed, if you work hard you're more likely to get a girl who won't be your tormentor (though realistically, the improvement is only very slight because there's just so few women of even passable moral character left). It's common sense, yes. Far too common. Young men get the message. And many of us take it too far. A lack of self-improvement on the part of young men is not what is going on at all. I argue that even bringing it up is thoroughly unhelpful, and perhaps even motivated by a certain spirit of feminism.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

I am addressing a common sentiment I often see and hear, and presenting it in a very brief and absurd way for rethorical purposes.

You said "Furthering that, the concept of being upset that a woman won't "settle" for you instead of bettering yourself to be more suitable to a better mate...."

With this, you are addressing an imaginary/hypothetical lazy and entitled young man, who expects a woman to settle for him while doing nothing to improve himself, and you are telling him that such behavior is retarded. I agree in principle. Obviously, improving yourself will improve your chances.

What I am saying is that this is a rather unserious and dishonest framing of the issue. The overwhelming majority of young men are very much working hard to better themselves. In fact, my generation is obsessed with acquiring wealth and muscles to the point where it is unhealthy. Half my peers have gone into debt to acquire status symbols and/or are steroid users. Social media is chock full of grindset type material and constant attempts to flaunt whatever wealth or physique you have (or pretend to have).

I once had a friend ask me to help him take a picture of him showing off his back muscles while facing the sun in my balcony for his Instagram, because he did not have a balcony of his own. Young men try to portray an idealized version of their lives on Instagram because they believe it will improve their chances of finding a woman.

Yes, indeed, if you work hard you're more likely to get a girl who won't be your tormentor (though realistically, the improvement is only very slight because there's just so few women of even passable moral character left). It's common sense, yes. Far too common. Young men get the message. And many of us take it too far. A lack of self-improvement on the part of young men is not what is going on at all. I argue that even bringing it up is thoroughly unhelpful, and perhaps even motivated by a certain spirit of feminism.

In all honesty, how important is height, and WHY is it important? I’m an inch taller than the average man in the US 5’9. Asians and Latinos bring our average down.

I guess what blows my mind - I’m not fussy. She can be a bit pudgey but not obese. I’m not demanding a super model at all. All I ask
• no kids from previous marriages relationships
• don’t be an atheist / satanist harpy. My faith is mine and I’m not giving it up for you
• don’t be a feminist / lefty harpy. You don’t have to agree with me and we don’t have to vote the same but damn girl.

If I could find a woman that checks all 3, $400 allowance a week. That’s better than many entry level jobs.

Not picky and can help a gal jump a social class, still can’t find anyone who fits all requirements. Is it the height, or is there really nobody out there who checks the very simple boxes? Maybe it’s my appearance. I’m overweight for my height. On another thread the Snake diet was mentioned. I might try it. But if that final correction can’t land me a 5 or 6 with what I’m offering maybe it’s Priesthood time.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

In all honesty, how important is height, and WHY is it important? I’m an inch taller than the average man in the US 5’9. Asians and Latinos bring our average down.

I guess what blows my mind - I’m not fussy. She can be a bit pudgey but not obese. I’m not demanding a super model at all. All I ask
• no kids from previous marriages relationships
• don’t be an atheist / satanist harpy. My faith is mine and I’m not giving it up for you
• don’t be a feminist / lefty harpy. You don’t have to agree with me and we don’t have to vote the same but damn girl.

If I could find a woman that checks all 3, $400 allowance a week. That’s better than many entry level jobs.

Not picky and can help a gal jump a social class, still can’t find anyone who fits all requirements. Is it the height, or is there really nobody out there who checks the very simple boxes? Maybe it’s my appearance. I’m overweight for my height. On another thread the Snake diet was mentioned. I might try it. But if that final correction can’t land me a 5 or 6 with what I’m offering maybe it’s Priesthood time.

I am in a similar situation, except I am in decent shape but it does not seem to help, due to the fact that I have Asperger's syndrome and that my standards in terms of moral character are too high. Women who have the moral character I am looking for invariably have no lack of suitors who, unlike me, are not literal retards.

I'm only in my early 20s but I have already pretty much given up. Being mildly retarded is simply too big an obstacle and the mistreatment I have received over the years as a result of it has given me so much baggage and resentment that I don't think I can ever be a good husband or father. I do not think I am cut out for the priesthood or for the monastic life, but lately I've been thinking I might be called to remain a bachelor in the world and essentially be a servant for my dear old parents. I'm still very young, I trust that my priest will help me discern this over the years.

 

[dgbrown]

Furthering that, the concept of being upset that a woman won't "settle" for you instead of bettering yourself to be more suitable to a better mate....

One side may be more extreme than the other but it does definitely go both ways.

The issue is much more pronounced on the female side. Men bettering themselves merely pushes out rival men, many of whom are actually deserving of a good family life.

Women are far more relative in how they evaluate suitors. Plenty of women have limited sexual options but far more men stare down this predicament.

The biggest winners in the sexual marketplace (and therefore romantic life) are a small subset of very high SMV men, followed by a core pool of attractive to somewhat attractive women, then successive outward circles of women and men ranked by their relative desirability.

If this sounds like some hedonistic red pill jargon, so be it, but the red pillers, minus the absence of God and tradition in their arguments, pretty much diagnosed the problem correctly.

Bettering yourself may work for you personally, but it’s zero-sum overall for men, who compete over a very lopsided pie.

Whilst men would in theory love to have the “hottest” woman amongst his social circle, they are also less neurotic than women and more realistic in what will give them reasonable happiness in prospective relationships.

Women also exhibit a strong tendency to either play out their “the grass is greener on the other side” fantasy or grumble because they cannot get it met, to the detriment and destruction of the marriage/relationship.

Even in the minority, 20-30%, of marriages that men, not women, choose to end, I imagine a huge chunk of these husbands put up with far more than what a wife would.

Men collectively could improve 50% overnight and women’s obsession with ranking them and outright excluding the majority of them from sexual and romantic access would not discernibly change, unless that 50% change involved men demolishing the current legal and social system. If that demolishing took place, the ranking obsession would merely be contained.