can now choose to MGTOW without the social penalty there was in the past for being an unmarried bachelor past a certain age.
While it was not common in the past, I don't think there was that much of a social penalty for a man to be unmarried. If there was, it could hardly be unjustified, since many women actually were raised to be wives and mothers, and at young ages back then. It's all relative, since there are so few social penalties at all anymore for women, it's clear what the real change in society has been.
It seems strange for me that in the paragraph you wrote about men of the past complaining about about their wives nonsense and then follow it immediately about how awful it is for a modern man.
I think one of the problems you have in understanding much of this is a rather slanted or awkward assessment of what people do and why. That is, the incentives to do things. My point about the past was that if men complained then, it seems like it's a universal, but they had it
good generally speaking. That's my point on how bad it is now.
If being around women too much is negative, your life as a modern man is superior to the married guys of the past since you can spend even less time around women then these guys did.
This is where I think you are missing the proper analysis. It isn't the case at all that being around women is negative, it's that in the modern day you don't meet many women
who are actually feminine that makes it not a big deal to endure, or even, enjoy.
You miss another part of the incentive, given that marriage is always going to be a compromise or different form of life. That is, you get enjoyment from growing with your (young, but not anymore) wife and raising your children. That's the tradeoff that you have to be OK with - legacy and youth, with loyalty from your wife. Not "hey, marry me and let's quickly have kids while you don't get me until I'm used up and don't even know how many guys I slept with before. Oh, and by the way, I now legally have half of your assets, in case you think of leaving my old ass." I shouldn't have to explain this, really.
Anyways, I'm curious if anyone else figures the more natural component into the scale.
I do, and that's my main point that Wutang is leaving out: the feminity side of things has essentially gone, so whatever you deal with in the women realm of the modern day, it's more commonly a loud headache than a peaceful, calm atmosphere.
It's rather sad that this is viewed negatively.
Yes, women want men to support everything they do, whether directly or indirectly (.gov or taxes) and these same men get very little in respect or authority. I see very few exceptions when assessing most of the marriages I see, and many of these people came from "traditional" families of yesteryear. The daughters largely don't do what their mothers did for their fathers.
I think a big thing men should consider when they are deciding if they are suited for marriage is how they feel about and react to feminity.
In summary, a man wants a young, loyal wife that he gets early in (her) life. Since the window is short, and having/raising kids isn't easy, a reasonable man will trade that for the love and legacy of a family. It's really not all that complicated or controversial. What I'm complaining about, if anything, is that modern culture doesn't produce good faith wives, or women who are young or thin, for marriage by and large. They are out there, but they are a very small percentage for those men who have even done the work, and mean well. It's just a crisis time, what can I say.
