The China Thread

Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
"Revenge on society" vehicular homicides seem to be steadily increasing in frequency. This one is tame compared to most that are directed at school children, but still NSFW.
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
Proof of how it seems to me? That's not really how it works for subjective vs. objective.
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You've claimed that vehicular homicides in China are "steadily increasing in frequency" - and it "seems" so, based on one video from Sterzel?? You have zero basis to back your claim, other than a heavily biased midbrow propaganda channel.

The irony here is that Sterzel is posting from Southern California, one of the worst hotspots for road rage in the industrialized world, the things he would see there on the highways are worse and far more frequent than what you have in China.

The road death rate in China has been going down due to better enforcement and perhaps drivers gaining more experience, in a country where the number of drivers has grown exponentially the past several decades:

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The temporal trend of road traffic mortality in China from 2004 to 2020 - PMC

Road traffic accidents are one of the critical disasters that cause massive negative influences to the social economy and people's property, health and life safety. The purpose of this study is to analyze the temporal trend of road traffic mortality ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Read_Lives_of_Saints said:

I would also like to see Hong Kong / Guangzhou / Taipei, which I list in order of population density.
The Taipei vibe is the best, people are well-mannered and helpful.
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Guangzhou is nearly 10 times the size of Taipei, and part of the largest underground network in the world, serving a population the size of Germany wedged into one big urban agglomeration. The side by side comparison is clumsy to say the least.
 
Cooper said:
You've claimed that vehicular homicides in China are "steadily increasing in frequency" - and it "seems" so, based on one video from Sterzel?? You have zero basis to back your claim, other than a heavily biased midbrow propaganda channel.
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No, it's based on 20 years of my observation, from 2005 until now. Car ramming attacks are common knowledge for people who know China and cursory googling will show the trend. As with many things in China, there are no stats for it and it does get censored and swept under the carpet. Now I can't find records of attacks that I remember from when I lived there.

There was one captured extensively on video where a man waited in his car outside of a large police station away from the city center so that he could viciously run over someone who was exiting. I think this happened in 2014.

Before car attacks were happening regularly, men would just go to elementary schools and stab as many children to death as they could before being subdued. Here's a partial list of those attacks, as well as some car attacks are included there also.

CENSORED: The Hubei, Shiyan Car Ramming Attack China Tried to Erase


2025 Jinhua car attack
Multiple dead and more than a dozen injured
On April 22, 2025, a vehicle-ramming attack took place when a woman drove her car into pedestrians outside of an elementary school in Jinhua, Zhejiang, China, killing multiple people and seriously injuring more than a dozen others. Among the victims were officers, parents, and nine students.
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2024 Zhuhai car attack
38 dead abd 48 injured
On 11 November 2024, 62-year-old Fan Weiqiu drove his SUV into people on the exercise track at the Zhuhai Stadium sports center in Zhuhai, Guangdong, China, killing 38 and injuring 48 more. Weiqiu then attempted to kill himself with a knife; he was taken into custody and sent to a hospital. Weiqiu was believed to have been motivated by anger over a recent divorce settlement. He was sentenced to death in December 2024, and executed on 20 January 2025.
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www.bbc.com

China executes man for car rampage that killed dozens

The attacker ploughed into people outside a stadium in the country's deadliest attack in a decade.
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China shutting out media coverage of devastating car ramming attack that killed 35 | The World

A year of mass attacks reveals anger and frustration in China
27 December 2024
From 2019 to 2023, police recorded three to five cases each year, where perpetrators attacked pedestrians or strangers.
In 2024, that number jumped to 19.
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2024 Changde car attack
On the morning of 19 November 2024, Huang Wen drove his SUV into people outside a primary school in Dingcheng, Changde, Hunan, China,[1] injuring 30, including 18 students who were going to school. After the car broke down, the driver got out with a weapon and attacked the crowd around. He was arrested on the spot. The man is believed to have been motivated by losses in investment and conflicts with his family.
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2023 Guangzhou car attack
6 dead and 29 injured
On 11 January 2023, the driver of a black BMW X3 deliberately rammed his vehicle into a crowd of pedestrians and motorists on Tianhe Road in Guangzhou, Guangdong, China. The incident resulted in the deaths of six people and injuries to 29 others. The perpetrator, identified as 22-year-old Wen Qingyun, was arrested, sentenced to death, and subsequently executed in April 2024 in connection with the attack.
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2019 Zaoyang car attack
6 deaths
On 22 March 2019, a man deliberately drove his car into pedestrians in Zaoyang, Hubei, China, killing six people. Police shot him dead. The driver was later identified as 44-year-old Cui Lidong who was known to police as a previous offender. He is said to have carried daggers in his car at the time, and had wounded his wife and daughter at home shortly before the attack.
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2018 Mishui vehicle attack
15 dead and 43 injured
On 12 September 2018, a man deliberately drove his SUV into crowds on a square in Mishui near Hengyang in Hunan Province, China. The attack resulted in the deaths of 15 people and injuries to 43 others. The attacker, Yang Zanyun, was sentenced to death and executed.
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2014 May Ürümqi attack, included explosives
43 dead
On the morning of 22 May 2014, two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi, the capital of China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers, then collided with each other and exploded. Forty-three people were killed, including four of the assailants; more than 90 were wounded, making this the deadliest attack of the Xinjiang conflict. The event was designated as a terrorist attack.
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2013 Tiananmen Square attack
5 dead and 38 injured
On 28 October 2013, a car ran over pedestrians and crashed in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China, in a terrorist suicide attack. Five people died in the incident; three inside the vehicle and two others nearby. Police identified the driver as Usmen Hasan and the two passengers as his wife, Gulkiz Gini, and his mother, Kuwanhan Reyim. An additional 38 people were injured. Chinese police described it as a "major incident" and as the first terrorist attack in Beijing's recent history. The East Turkestan Islamic Movement, or Turkistan Islamic Party, claimed responsibility and warned of future attacks.
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2010 Hebei tractor rampage
11 dead and 20 injured
On 1 August 2010, a mass murder occurred in Yuanshi County, Hebei, China. Over the course of two hours, an intoxicated man used a bucket loader to ram into pedestrians, buildings, and other vehicles, in and around Nanzuo, killing 11 people and injuring 20 others. The attacker was subdued by intervening citizens.
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Cooper said:
The road death rate in China has been going down due to better enforcement and perhaps drivers gaining more experience, in a country where the number of drivers has grown exponentially the past several decades:
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They have better enforcement of traffic laws, but this is not the same thing at all. Intentional homicide with a vehicle as a weapon is not comparable to accidental road deaths.
 
I saw pickpockets drastically reduced where I lived in Guangzhou because of China's efforts to look good for the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics and 2010 Asian Games in Guangzhou, but this video indicates it's still a problem.

However, it would have been very unusual to see Chinese people, of this age especially, not taking proper precautions by leaving their phones and wallets in accessible pockets. Just like the cop said, it's giving thieves a freebie.

I would speculate that these older ones might have become forgetful, but there could also have been a reduction in pickpocketing post-Covid that made them drop their guard, and this police operation was perhaps because of a resurgence of crime in a particular area.

I think that it's difficult to draw conclusions from this one clip.

 
expectation said:
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Those are the argument ((they)) have used to grab and censor Tiktok. Also what they've used to block Chinese EV imports in the US. It will be interesting to see how the other 5 Eyes fare, so far Australia has been open to imports and Canada is opening up and will likely grow bigger with local JVs.
 
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This is your source, is that the same woman that claimed that China only has 500 million people? I can't keep track of all the NED/USAID Susie Wong-type grifters. The latest batch of infoslop about China is right up there with the stuff that is produced about Russia for the Ukraine war.

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It seems like these types of women are good at selling narratives, you have her equivalents in the Iran infowar campaign, like this curly lass, these women appeal to boomercons and normies.

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expectation said:
re: Travel in China

There are guides out there that'll help but yeah I agree there's an investment of time/learning/prepare that a tourists would need to commit in order to enjoy China. Not much to say except that it weeds out tourists that are likely to disrespect the environment like backpackers in Bali and the tourists that I've interacted with are enthusiastic when it comes to China or domestic.

re: HK

Agreed - as I've said, the challenges are because HK'ers - are starting to have easier access to SZ & GBA (including Taobao being able to deliver to HK - Chinese Amazon) where their services + products better and cheaper for Chinese consumers while being stuck as a rent-seeker society. Retailers are unable to put in more money to improve their services or cut down costs to be more competitive due to high rent. It would be great if housing prices keeps going down to match with the rest of the Greater Bay Area and it looks like its slowly heading that way.

The amount of folks that have claimed BNO (British National Overseas) or migrate are not significant. Estimated at 11,737 households so if you assume 4 pax per household it would be ~47K. Its a drop in a bucket for a 7.5M city. In the previous wave, half of them moved back to Hong Kong from difficulty adjusting to the UK. These are not wealthy or educated households like most Chinese disporas and right now the economy in the UK/West is nothing like 90s/80s/70s for an average HK'er to thrive better than HK itself. The lady here I linked on twitter is an example of one.

btw - SCMP is a liberal newspaper so their headlines are skewed like this article where I reference the 11.7K household figure.

www.scmp.com

Hong Kong rents may plunge as ‘UK exodus drives vacancy rate to 18-year-high’

The bulk of the estimated 11,737 departing households will be heading to Britain to take advantage of a government scheme to facilitate citizenship for holders of the BN(O) passport, says Bloomberg report.
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BNO HKers going back home and getting the used condom treatment after drinking the kool aid.



Meanwhile UK Prime Minister visits Chyna and their people will get visa free and some deals. Last visit was 8 years ago.




 
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expectation said:
BNO HKers going back home and getting the used condom treatment after drinking the kool aid.



Meanwhile UK Prime Minister visits Chyna and their people will get visa free and some deals. Last visit was 8 years ago.




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The British Labour party has been close friends of the communists for over 100 years since the 1920s...nothing new there.

The variation to the BNO visa scheme to come to the UK permanently was put in place in 2019 when the conservatives were in power.
It's hard to say how many actually Hong Konger's actually came over to the UK and how many have actually returned....as the UK government doesn't often publish official numbers. I seem to remember something like 7 million native Hong Konger's were eligible. After 5 or 6 years they can get UK citizenship and it's more likely they'll move again once they get their new British passport, and go somewhere else with better salaries like Singapore or Taiwan, rather than return to Hong Kong. The simple fact that the Chinese government did not ask the UK for this scheme to be abolished during the most recent talks says a lot about where things really stand.

As for the visa free entry to China for Brits...this will not help the economic situation if China still forces all tourists to download (and officially register with) local Chinese smartphone payment apps, instead of being able to pay for things with cash and western credit cards, like they were able to before 2020. No other country in the world forces all tourists to pay for absolutely everything with smartphones...not even North Korea. This simple fact in itself, is what's preventing more tourists going to China, not the visa issues.
 
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