The China Thread
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I love all that, but over a period of years I saw that food & drink fraud, and low quality cookware leeching aluminum, was the norm there, and the effects of it on my own health were obvious, as well as it apparently affecting others.
When you get a bowl of thin slices of meat for hot pot, you have no idea of the origin and this is not theoretical. It comes from experience, a lot of which has been captured on video and is floating around. OG Chinese diners prefer fowl because the bones attest to it being less likely fake than other meats and is probably why KFC has become much more popular there than McDonald's.
There seems to be a consensus of awareness of the quality problems of Chinese food, just as there is of Indian food, and American food, all of which have their particular areas of concern. I've been following this for years and am probably a lot more aware and concerned about it than most people because food from all three of those groups have caused me trouble.
If you're not in the health field, nor you & your family affected, this could be under your radar, but it's still there and common knowledge with lots of references readily available.
KFC is also more popular than McDonalds in Japan, it is more a matter of fried chicken being closer to local Asian tastes than burgers.
A lot of the criticism of China and Chinese society tends to be based on features that are common across east Asia, like your post about the introverted dining experience, or the cultural insularity, or the brutally demanding school system. Those are all east Asian cultural characteristics.
You're probably right about KFC. That's a much better explanation for the primary reason for its popularity in China and Japan. BTW, my own experience with chicken in China is much, much better than in the USA, where I would say that what is commonly sold here has so much more detrimental effect than nutritious that it should be avoided entirely, whereas chicken, pigeon, duck and goose in China was always good and I actually miss it.
However, the criticism of China that fits into East Asian cultural characteristics is about intensity, extremity and frequency and not a misunderstanding of an overall baseline that exists in several different countries.
Probably a repost
Western clothes are better for work and life too, and Asians don't have any issues with that.
Merchantman of war.
The following from an X post by Jan Jekielek
What just happened in Venezuela wasn’t just about Maduro. It was a major strategic blow to communist China, says @JMichaelWaller.
Just days before Maduro was removed, Beijing declared it would not give up an inch of its gains in Latin America. Then Trump went and took away one of the CCP’s most critical assets.
Venezuela wasn’t just an ally for the CCP—it was a “linchpin” in the CCP’s global military strategy, he says.
From Caracas, Beijing envisioned projecting naval power across both oceans:
• A blue-water PLA Navy
• A future Atlantic maritime presence
• A foothold in the Caribbean
• Potential leverage over the Panama Canal and U.S. shipping routes from Houston, Galveston, and the Mississippi River Delta to the rest of the world
Venezuela also sat at the heart of China’s Belt and Road strategy: dual-use ports, airports, and facilities designed so Chinese warships could dock anywhere on Earth.
Furthermore, Venezuela holds the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Under sanctions, that oil couldn’t be sold on the open market—so China bought it at steep discounts, often paid in yuan or barter, not petrodollars.
Cheap, embargoed oil helped prop up Xi Jinping’s domestic and global agenda. Now that pipeline just collapsed.
What just happened in Venezuela wasn’t just about Maduro. It was a major strategic blow to communist China, says @JMichaelWaller.
Just days before Maduro was removed, Beijing declared it would not give up an inch of its gains in Latin America. Then Trump went and took away one of the CCP’s most critical assets.
Venezuela wasn’t just an ally for the CCP—it was a “linchpin” in the CCP’s global military strategy, he says.
From Caracas, Beijing envisioned projecting naval power across both oceans:
• A blue-water PLA Navy
• A future Atlantic maritime presence
• A foothold in the Caribbean
• Potential leverage over the Panama Canal and U.S. shipping routes from Houston, Galveston, and the Mississippi River Delta to the rest of the world
Venezuela also sat at the heart of China’s Belt and Road strategy: dual-use ports, airports, and facilities designed so Chinese warships could dock anywhere on Earth.
Furthermore, Venezuela holds the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Under sanctions, that oil couldn’t be sold on the open market—so China bought it at steep discounts, often paid in yuan or barter, not petrodollars.
Cheap, embargoed oil helped prop up Xi Jinping’s domestic and global agenda. Now that pipeline just collapsed.
I don’t understand this, there is no way China is consuming enough food for 1.4 billion people, or maybe she means that China has under 500 million people, and is fudging the food and other resource numbers?
I posted this and saw you beat me too it.
As I read it, she is saying that there is no way 1.4 (or 1.2) billion people are in the country and most of their figures are lies.
This makes sense having done business in China and knowing how Chinese bureaucracy works.
There are NOT up to 8 billion living people in this world.
A laughable and unserious belief. Truly.
Most of humanity is unbirthed
Most online accounts are ghosts/bots
Census data has been SEVERELY embellished outside the West to claim more resources, peacock, and make their people feel small and inconsequential.
CHINA:
- 100's of unexplained ghost towns
- Phone companies reported over 100M+ are no longer in service or not used at all w/o explanation.
- Claimed 500M in 1950s, then somehow "boomed" after the CCP to 1.2B by 2000 which would require every woman to have 5 surviving babies on average.
- Except there was a strict 1 child policy for almost 4 decades, which only became the 2 child policy in 2015.
- and a FAMINE.
- Stopped reporting covid deaths out of shame, then secretly built mass funeral cemeteries at an alarming rate.
INDIA:
- Most recent official census data for India shows population in tier 1 and 2 cities to be 300 Million maximum.
- If this is true, almost 900 million people live in rural Indian villages. (lol?) Does this sound correct at all? Can it be said confidently by someone with sense?
- no
the womb of the world is barren
There is hardly anybody here.
Of course, China lies about everything, however, I don’t see how lying about this population Figure specifically would help them
By the way, Israel lies about everything as well, they always have news report about a certain number of deaths that day in Gaza, or the West Bank, and there’s no real way to verify any of the numbers.
And you know the United States lies about numbers as well, like with all the Somali fraud for example.
I just don’t understand what China would gain by saying they have 1.4 billion people if the real number is way less like 500 million.
Wouldn’t it be really easy to verify that they have enough food for 1.4 billion people? Are they intentionally throwing out a lot of food?
By the way, Israel lies about everything as well, they always have news report about a certain number of deaths that day in Gaza, or the West Bank, and there’s no real way to verify any of the numbers.
And you know the United States lies about numbers as well, like with all the Somali fraud for example.
I just don’t understand what China would gain by saying they have 1.4 billion people if the real number is way less like 500 million.
Wouldn’t it be really easy to verify that they have enough food for 1.4 billion people? Are they intentionally throwing out a lot of food?
If they show their population decline then their population may not like that. The CCP isn't with out it's own internal politics and requirements to keep its people supportive of their regime.
OK after a little googling, I think I understand a little better. Each of the geographic areas in China gets money from the central government based off of population..
They lie so much that they build actual ghost cities, to show that they have enough population dwellings to support over 1 billion people total. However, a lot of these structures and homes remain empty, but they had to build them to keep the fraud money flowing.
Basically, it’s exactly like the Somali fraud or Indian fraud or jew fraud in the United States
Estimated 65 million Chinese homes remain empty
They lie so much that they build actual ghost cities, to show that they have enough population dwellings to support over 1 billion people total. However, a lot of these structures and homes remain empty, but they had to build them to keep the fraud money flowing.
Basically, it’s exactly like the Somali fraud or Indian fraud or jew fraud in the United States
Estimated 65 million Chinese homes remain empty
It's kind of like that situation where every region knows every other region is lying and no one wants to call anyone out. Because if they fall you fall.
^This is pretty dumb, approaching the "birds are not real" meme. You can't fudge a most basic stat of population size by over 250%. They could get away with 5%-10% at the most, and even that is doubtful. For one, if their population was as low as half a billion, they would not have had their one child policy.
If anything this shows how gullible people are wrt China.
If anything this shows how gullible people are wrt China.
It's not been my experience in dealing with the Chinese, which I have done in business, that they are a high trust society. Especially when there is incentive to bump these numbers up (just like California wanting to include illegals in the census for congressional apportionment)
I don't know that their population is .5b vs the 1.2 or 1.4 or 1.6 billion but I know not to trust the numbers that the politburo reports.
Mathematically the went from 550 million in 1950 to 1.2b in 2000 you'd need each woman to produce 5.7 kids. We know that didn't happen with the one child policy.
My grad school director talked about living on the top story of an empty skyrise in China. I tend to believe the china demographic skepticism is merited.
Quick Google search
By Age Group (Examples from 2023)
Ages 0-4: 109.28 males per 100 females.
Ages 5-9: 111.72 males per 100 females.
Ages 10-14: 114.39 males per 100 females.
Key Factors
Son Preference & One-Child Policy: Traditional preference for sons, combined with the former one-child policy, led to a skewed sex ratio at birth, with significantly more boys being born than girls (e.g., 111.3 male births per 100 female births in 2020).
"Missing Women": This imbalance has resulted in millions more men than women, creating a demographic challenge, particularly for marriageable-age men, notes the University of Michigan .
That time period spans over two generations. Chinese farmers married young. For the population to just over double in 50 years, their women in the 1950s needed to have 5,7 children and grandchildren, a fairly modest proposition.
They have had effectively 50 years of the 1 child policy. 1979 to 2015.
Here's an article discussing why their population is overinflated.
China’s Population-Control Disaster by Yi Fuxian - Project Syndicate https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...ulation-control-policies-by-yi-fuxian-2023-08