The China Thread

[magoo]

I am not Chinese or remotely Asian, but the only Chinese I have met who weren't super proud of their heritage were ABCs or older gen Chinese Americans/Canadian liberals. Most of the mainlanders I know are pretty successful people who tend to be highly nationalistic, almost to a fault. The Chinese upper class also is very secure in their current economic lot and future. China today has $22 trillion in household savings.

China real estate is dropping like a rock. The government isnt changing policy. The hole cannot be covered. Those stupid communist ghost town.

The household savings will evaporate since chinese have their net worth tied to real estate. Probably this will make yellows move from real estate to stock market. Which in turn will make them better controlled by judens. And when the stock market is ballooned they will pop it like they did to Japan. Chinese are work horses. They don´t have a high IQ or understand long term ramifications. They´ve been coached by international jews. And it will be their next destination after they wrecked the west.

Why China's property crash must be kept top secret

As home sales continue to plummet, Beijing has curbed independent reporting of real estate figures. The gag order masks a deepening property slump that continues to erode household wealth and strain China's banks.

www.dw.com

 

[Cooper]

China real estate is dropping like a rock. The government isnt changing policy. The hole cannot be covered. Those stupid communist ghost town.

The household savings will evaporate since chinese have their net worth tied to real estate. Probably this will make yellows move from real estate to stock market. Which in turn will make them better controlled by judens. And when the stock market is ballooned they will pop it like they did to Japan. Chinese are work horses. They don´t have a high IQ or understand long term ramifications. They´ve been coached by international jews. And it will be their next destination after they wrecked the west.

The $22 trillion household savings figure is recent, from august, the drop in their housing prices started 4 years ago and most of it is already discounted.

China had a $1 trillion trade surplus and a 5% growth rate this year, that doesn't look like an economy in distress to me.

Japan was highly dependent on the US market for its exports, while today that market represents just 15% of total Chinese exports.

If you want a better picture of the Chinese economy than sources like DW, BBC or politicized MSM, I would recommend following Louis Gave, a French private investor based in Hong Kong for several decades, you might know his father, Charles Gave, owner of the Biarritz rugby club and right wing prognosticator.

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[Eagle3]

The $22 trillion household savings figure is recent, from august, the drop in their housing prices started 4 years ago and most of it is already discounted.

China had a $1 trillion trade surplus and a 5% growth rate this year, that doesn't look like an economy in distress to me.

Japan was highly dependent on the US market for its exports, while today that market represents just 15% of total Chinese exports.

If you want a better picture of the Chinese economy than sources like DW, BBC or politicized MSM, I would recommend following Louis Gave, a French private investor based in Hong Kong for several decades, you might know his father, Charles Gave, owner of the Biarritz rugby club and right wing prognosticator.

The fact that you have to compare to Japan really shows how Chinese have such an inferiority complex to Japanese.

"Louis Gave, a French private investor based in Hong Kong for several decades..."

Right...I'm sure news coming out of someone based in Hong Kong is not at all controlled by the CCPEE and not biased at all.

 

[Cooper]

The fact that you have to compare to Japan really shows how Chinese have such an inferiority complex to Japanese.

Magoo brought up Japan and their 3 decades of stagnation from the 1990s on. The Chinese policy this decade has been to avoid falling in the same trap that Japan did. I am not sure if you can understand this.

"Louis Gave, a French private investor based in Hong Kong for several decades..."
Right...I'm sure news coming out of someone based in Hong Kong is not at all controlled by the CCPEE and not biased at all.

His analysis is market driven, as a financial analyst who sells his research and investment advice to investors in Europe and the US. He's not a journalist affiliated with a politicized entity like the BBC or DW. If his analysis is wrong, his business is toast, that's how it works in the real world.

 

[Eagle3]

Magoo brought up Japan and their 3 decades of stagnation from the 1990s on. The Chinese policy this decade has been to avoid falling in the same trap that Japan did. I am not sure if you can understand this.

The Chinese policy is denial that the stagnation has already occurred and to go into face saving mode with made up stats to pacify the masses. Otherwise the masses will revolt.

His analysis is market driven, as a financial analyst who sells his research and investment advice to investors in Europe and the US. He's not a journalist affiliated with a politicized entity like the BBC or DW. If his analysis is wrong, his business is toast, that's how it works in the real world.

News for you: By being in occupied Hong Kong, his business is already politicized.

 

[Cooper]

The Chinese policy is denial that the stagnation has already occurred and to go into face saving mode with made up stats to pacify the masses. Otherwise the masses will revolt.

The masses don't revolt based on published stats, they revolt when they suffer economically.

It's pretty dumb to not acknowledge that the Chinese have gotten wealthier and better off over the last several decades. It is precisely because they grew so much economically that we have this long thread and the whole anti-China propaganda industry, with a budget of $1.6 billion.

House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas

Somehow it’s a crime when Russia does it to us, but good 'information ops' when we want to discredit Beijing’s Belt & Road initiatives worldwide

responsiblestatecraft.org

News for you: By being in occupied Hong Kong, his business is already politicized.

His clients are foreign investors and banks. Money talks. These clients aren't going to pay millions for propaganda, or invest hundreds of millions in his fund if his advice fails to reflect real conditions and his fund underperforms.

 

[Eagle3]

The masses don't revolt based on published stats, they revolt when they suffer economically.

It's pretty dumb to not acknowledge that the Chinese have gotten wealthier and better off over the last several decades. It is precisely because they grew so much economically that we have this long thread and the whole anti-China propaganda industry, with a budget of $1.6 billion.

House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas

Somehow it’s a crime when Russia does it to us, but good 'information ops' when we want to discredit Beijing’s Belt & Road initiatives worldwide

responsiblestatecraft.org

It's even dumber not to acknowledge that the Chinese have gotten wealthier only by lying, cheating, stealing IP and stolen business models. No such thing as BYD if not for Tesla.

Are you even able to come up with anything on your own or do you always have to rely on ChatGPT to do your thinking for you? Or whatever cheap knockoff of ChatGPT that you Chinese stole and copied?

 

[Cooper]

It's even dumber not to acknowledge that the Chinese have gotten wealthier only by lying, cheating, stealing IP and stolen business models. No such thing as BYD if not for Tesla.

Even Magoo will tell you this is dumb, they work hard, and work well. They did learn from Tesla when Tesla set up shop in China in 2019, but are now ahead of Tesla in battery technology and across the supply chain, BYD has 110,000 technicians and engineers in their R&D department. BYD and the other local leaders emerged out of 400+ Chinese EV companies through competition and the marketplace.

You can't build an industrial policy on lying, cheating and stealing IP, otherwise India would have been a superpower. The Japanese copied business and industrial methods from the US in the 1960s, but quickly surpassed Detroit. The Koreans copied the Japanese in the 2000s then surpassed them in consumer electronics. The Chinese have been on the same path, with advanced robotics, battery tech and product design concepts that aren't as thoroghly applied at Tesla.

Are you even able to come up with anything on your own or do you always have to rely on ChatGPT to do your thinking for you? Or whatever cheap knockoff of ChatGPT that you Chinese stole and copied?

I use GPT on rare occasions to quickly provide info buttressing my analyses, not to do my thinking. But in terms of thinking, you could use some help yourself and expand your vocabulary and understanding of economics, industrial policy etc as most of your posts on here consist of a rehash of "CCPEE wumao copy lie cheat".

 

[Cooper]

Even Magoo will tell you this is dumb, they work hard, and work well. They did learn from Tesla when Tesla set up shop in China in 2019, but are now ahead of Tesla in battery technology and across the supply chain, BYD has 110,000 technicians and engineers in their R&D department. BYD and the other local leaders emerged out of 400+ Chinese EV companies through competition and the marketplace.

 

[magoo]

Nope magoo will say China is an open air prison. And chinese are slaves.

Being a communist shithole they cant produce inmovation except what they steal from west.

Magoo will also say western intelligence agencies are doubling down on chinese ip theft. And spying. We will probably enter in a cold war soon.

 

[Cooper]

Nope magoo will say China is an open air prison. And chinese are slaves.

An open air prison with 150 million people traveling abroad every year?

Magoo will also say western intelligence agencies are doubling down on chinese ip theft. And spying.

You're posting from 2005. The world is changing. Macron is not Chirac. China is a huge industrial challenge for the West, we can't start dealing with it if we ignore reality.

 

[magoo]

An open air prison with 150 million people traveling abroad every year?

Top CCP cant have passports. Tell me im lying?

You're posting from 2005. The world is changing. Macron is not Chirac.

Im posting from 2025. I will repeat since you dont seem to read well. Intelligence agencies are doubling down on chinese IP theft. Chinese are swimning naked. And the tide is about to change. Ask the real estate investors. Deluded yellows.

Chinese are selling their assets in west cause they are bleeding in China meltdown.

All due to the greed of xijiping. Retard fuck.

 

[Cooper]

Top CCP cant have passports. Tell me im lying?

Yes, most likely out of ignorance though, than malice. Any Chinese can travel abroad, they are not the USSR.

Im posting from 2025. I will repeat since you dont seem to read well. Intelligence agencies are doubling down on chinese IP theft. Chinese are swimning naked. And the tide is about to change. Ask the real estate investors. Deluded yellows.

Chinese are selling their assets in west cause they are bleeding in China meltdown.

$1 trillion trade surplus, the highest surplus in recorded history.

Did you watch Gave's interview? He explains well the good and bad of the Chinese economy in the 2020s.

Alain Juillet, former head of the economic intelligence division of the French foreign intell service is another good pundit, you might know who he is, he has the same reading (in French).

 

[magoo]

Yes, most likely out of ignorance though, than malice. Any Chinese can travel abroad, they are not the USSR.

Nope. You are lying. CCP top officials are not allowed to travel. And can´t have a passport. I won´t put more in a public forum. But you are speaking like a true communist propagandist.

I don´t know know how things are now but in 2013 only rich chinese could travel.

$1 trillion trade surplus, the highest surplus in recorded history.

True. Chinese are liquid. But they´re wealth is evaporating in the real estate market. This is one thing you got right. Yellows are liquid. They are not massacred by taxes and gay regulations.

Did you watch Gave's interview? He explains well the good and bad of the Chinese economy in the 2020s.

Anyone living in China can´t speak the truth. Cause black jails is their final destination.

Alain Juillet, former head of the economic intelligence division of the French foreign intell service is another good pundit, you might know who he is, he has the same reading (in French).

Watched half of it. He is a former head. Probably receiving a miserable pension. And sold himself to yellows. You can´t fault him cause the way the west treats and pays their high level officials is beyond retarded. Yellows with the help of international jews understand this weakness. How a whore can parade herself in front of a camera and receive millions and ex veterans etc receive dog food. Just like politicians salaries. Values and their hierarchy are broken and need to be reestablished. Faggotry and feminism need to go fast. They are cancers.

 

[Cooper]

Nope. You are lying. CCP top officials are not allowed to travel. And can´t have a passport. I won´t put more in a public forum. But you are speaking like a true communist propagandist. I don´t know know how things are now but in 2013 only rich chinese could travel.

You're right, there are travel restrictions for officials, I stand corrected:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/03/world/asia/china-passports-civil-servants.html

On a given year, about 11% of Chinese people travel abroad, and yeah those are the richer ones, and retirees, there are probably some cheaper travel packages to SE Asia.

Anyone living in China can´t speak the truth. Cause black jails is their final destination.

Watched half of it. He is a former head. Probably receiving a miserable pension. And sold himself to yellows. You can´t fault him cause the way the west treats and pays their high level officials is beyond retarded. Yellows with the help of international jews understand this weakness. How a whore can parade herself in front of a camera and receive millions and ex veterans etc receive dog food. Just like politicians salaries. Values and their hierarchy are broken and need to be reestablished. Faggotry and feminism need to go fast. They are cancers.

This is where it starts getting ridiculous. Louis Gave is not going to sugarcoat his analyses for political reasons, if his economic outlook and portfolio moves don't pan out, no one is going to invest with him or buy his research. This is a guy who makes seven figures as a fund manager from western private and institutional investors.

And Juillet would be primarily worried about the French state and EU not debanking him and putting travel restrictions, see what happened to Swiss retired Colonel Jacques Baud:

 

[magoo]

This is where it starts getting ridiculous. Louis Gave is not going to sugarcoat his analyses for political reasons, if his economic outlook and portfolio moves don't pan out, no one is going to invest with him or buy his research. This is a guy who makes seven figures as a fund manager from western private and institutional investors.

Entire families disappear in China. Louis Gave has to know this.

And Juillet would be primarily worried about the French state and EU not debanking him and putting travel restrictions, see what happened to Swiss retired Colonel Jacques Baud:

They created a list of sanctioned individuals:

EU Council Official Journal Sanctioned Entities

Supplemental list of people, companies, and organizations sanctioned for involvement in Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

www.opensanctions.org

What a bunch of deluded idiots. A complete shitshow. This shit is communist filth. Not at the level of China but an embarassment. In the end those people will receive a compensation for damages paid by EU taxpayers. EU institutions are going way beyond they´re limits. Only a court can do that. All this Russia hysteria is coming from where? Who is pushing this retardation? Americans and english? usual suspects?

No wonder VW just shut down it´s first factory in Germany for the first time in 88 years. Germans are retarded drones. So you can´t expect nothing valid from them. But still.

VW stops production at German site for first time

The last car rolled off the production line at a Volkswagen site in Dresden on Tuesday, marking the first time in company history that it has stopped production at a German factory as cost cuts bite.A red electric ID.3 GTX signed by workers would be the last car made at the plant, Volkswagen...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

Brandt the last french home appliances supplier is also going bust. This is being particularly noticed in France. Since it was a cherished symbol.

Brandt en liquidation judiciaire : la chute du dernier fabricant d’électroménager français

Le tribunal de commerce de Nanterre a acté, jeudi 11 décembre, la liquidation judiciaire du groupe centenaire de l’électroménager français. Un choc pour ses 700 salariés convaincus par le projet de Scop qui avait été présenté au tribunal pour sauver l’entreprise.

www.la-croix.com

In 2000 the most sold car in EU was a VW Golf. A great car. Representing great german engineering. In 2025 Dacia. Romanian brand bought by Renault to serve as a cheap low cost product. This fact is making rounds in whatsapp groups.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Everything that China has now was stolen and copied from the Japanese, Koreans and the West. From products to business models. Even your girl bands and boy bands and dramas are cheap knock-offs of the Koreans.

New Chinese boyband just dropped, I blame da satanic West.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Even the Chinese want to get out of China. Will China swallow their pride and accept this reality?

Correct, they are leaving by the millions for greener pastures which is one of the reasons why the CCP goons have implemented stricter exit requirements and hurdles, including seizure of passports and other travel documents of all civil servants and people working in sensitive industries. Getting grilled by customs officers on why you are leaving the country has become the norm even when traveling to places like Thailand. Obviously Coopy has no clue on any of this, he's just a poser who's never been to China and just regurgitates his fav paid Twitter CCP-daddy buffed up with AI search results.

Many sane middle class Changs have exit plans, their economy is shit despite manufactured fake growth numbers and Xi Jinping has set the clock back 40 years in terms of societal liberties. They want out.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Entire families disappear in China. Louis Gave has to know this.

Some of the famous people who've been disappeared in China, most of whom later re-appeared, including a couple of them who were kidnapped out of Hong Kong and taken to the mainland. Three articles at the end give some details.

Jack Ma - richest man in China suggested the CCP should allow more freedoms to citizens
Peng Shuai - famous lady tennis pro disappeared after accusing a party official of sexual assault
Ai Weiwei - artist who questioned the 2008 Sichuan earthquake death totals
Gui Minhai - bookseller and Swedish (naturalized) citizen who was kidnapped from Hong Kong and taken to the mainland
Fan Bingbing - most famous actress in China at the time of her disappearance
Zhao Wei - actress
Meng Hongwei - Interpol chief
Guo Guangchang - industrialist
Xiao Jianhua - businessman taken from Hong Kong in 2017 and reappeared in the mainland in 2020
Ren Zhiqiang - real estate mogul, eventually jailed
Whitney Duan - billionaire businesswoman disappeared four years

China’s disappeared: high-profile figures who have gone missing in the past decade

Peng Shuai is latest in long line of artists, officials and celebrities to have vanished in recent years

www.theguardian.com

The growing list of Chinese elites who disappear but later resurface subdued

Foreign minister Qin Gang’s mysterious absence and replacement follows a pattern of falls from grace for rising stars

www.theguardian.com

7 Chinese celebrities, business people, and activists who disappeared after speaking out about the Communist Party or powerful people

Peng Shuai, a Chinese tennis star who recently accused China's former vice president of sexual assault, is the latest to vanish.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Cooper]

Correct, they are leaving by the millions for greener pastures which is one of the reasons why the CCP goons have implemented stricter exit requirements and hurdles, including seizure of passports and other travel documents of all civil servants and people working in sensitive industries. Getting grilled by customs officers on why you are leaving the country has become the norm even when traveling to places like Thailand. Obviously Coopy has no clue on any of this, he's just a poser who's never been to China and just regurgitates his fav paid Twitter CCP-daddy buffed up with AI search results.

Many sane middle class Changs have exit plans, their economy is shit despite manufactured fake growth numbers and Xi Jinping has set the clock back 40 years in terms of societal liberties. They want out.

It's not their economy that is shit LaNegra, it is what comes out from your little spigot off of the $1.6 billion State Dept propaganda budget.


mORe fAkE CCP gROwTh nUMbers - from Bank of America Global Research

Do you get a lot of Chinese visitors in your mystery meat 2nd world country?