The China Thread

This is where it starts getting ridiculous. Louis Gave is not going to sugarcoat his analyses for political reasons, if his economic outlook and portfolio moves don't pan out, no one is going to invest with him or buy his research. This is a guy who makes seven figures as a fund manager from western private and institutional investors.
Entire families disappear in China. Louis Gave has to know this.

And Juillet would be primarily worried about the French state and EU not debanking him and putting travel restrictions, see what happened to Swiss retired Colonel Jacques Baud:



They created a list of sanctioned individuals:


What a bunch of deluded idiots. A complete shitshow. This shit is communist filth. Not at the level of China but an embarassment. In the end those people will receive a compensation for damages paid by EU taxpayers. EU institutions are going way beyond they´re limits. Only a court can do that. All this Russia hysteria is coming from where? Who is pushing this retardation? Americans and english? usual suspects?

No wonder VW just shut down it´s first factory in Germany for the first time in 88 years. Germans are retarded drones. So you can´t expect nothing valid from them. But still.


Brandt the last french home appliances supplier is also going bust. This is being particularly noticed in France. Since it was a cherished symbol.


In 2000 the most sold car in EU was a VW Golf. A great car. Representing great german engineering. In 2025 Dacia. Romanian brand bought by Renault to serve as a cheap low cost product. This fact is making rounds in whatsapp groups.
 
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Even the Chinese want to get out of China. Will China swallow their pride and accept this reality?
Correct, they are leaving by the millions for greener pastures which is one of the reasons why the CCP goons have implemented stricter exit requirements and hurdles, including seizure of passports and other travel documents of all civil servants and people working in sensitive industries. Getting grilled by customs officers on why you are leaving the country has become the norm even when traveling to places like Thailand. Obviously Coopy has no clue on any of this, he's just a poser who's never been to China and just regurgitates his fav paid Twitter CCP-daddy buffed up with AI search results.

Many sane middle class Changs have exit plans, their economy is shit despite manufactured fake growth numbers and Xi Jinping has set the clock back 40 years in terms of societal liberties. They want out.

 
Entire families disappear in China. Louis Gave has to know this.
Some of the famous people who've been disappeared in China, most of whom later re-appeared, including a couple of them who were kidnapped out of Hong Kong and taken to the mainland. Three articles at the end give some details.

Jack Ma - richest man in China suggested the CCP should allow more freedoms to citizens
Peng Shuai - famous lady tennis pro disappeared after accusing a party official of sexual assault
Ai Weiwei - artist who questioned the 2008 Sichuan earthquake death totals
Gui Minhai - bookseller and Swedish (naturalized) citizen who was kidnapped from Hong Kong and taken to the mainland
Fan Bingbing - most famous actress in China at the time of her disappearance
Zhao Wei - actress
Meng Hongwei - Interpol chief
Guo Guangchang - industrialist
Xiao Jianhua - businessman taken from Hong Kong in 2017 and reappeared in the mainland in 2020
Ren Zhiqiang - real estate mogul, eventually jailed
Whitney Duan - billionaire businesswoman disappeared four years



 
Correct, they are leaving by the millions for greener pastures which is one of the reasons why the CCP goons have implemented stricter exit requirements and hurdles, including seizure of passports and other travel documents of all civil servants and people working in sensitive industries. Getting grilled by customs officers on why you are leaving the country has become the norm even when traveling to places like Thailand. Obviously Coopy has no clue on any of this, he's just a poser who's never been to China and just regurgitates his fav paid Twitter CCP-daddy buffed up with AI search results.

Many sane middle class Changs have exit plans, their economy is shit despite manufactured fake growth numbers and Xi Jinping has set the clock back 40 years in terms of societal liberties. They want out.

It's not their economy that is shit LaNegra, it is what comes out from your little spigot off of the $1.6 billion State Dept propaganda budget.


mORe fAkE CCP gROwTh nUMbers - from Bank of America Global Research

Do you get a lot of Chinese visitors in your mystery meat 2nd world country?
 
Correct, they are leaving by the millions for greener pastures which is one of the reasons why the CCP goons have implemented stricter exit requirements and hurdles, including seizure of passports and other travel documents of all civil servants and people working in sensitive industries.

Pub Med said:
While academic studies on this group of people are still lacking, a survey conducted in 2009 revealed that among the country’s 60,000 super-rich individuals with assets of at least 100 million yuan (1US$=6.6 yuan), nearly half of them were considering emigrating overseas; and 14 percent of them were in the process or have already emigrated which rose to 27 percent in 2011 (China Merchants Bank and Bain & Company [CMBBC], 2011). In 2012, approximately 13,000 Chinese emigrated through the means of investment. In 2014, of the 10, 000 investment EB-5 visa quota in the US, a total of 9,128 Chinese are recorded to have obtained this visa (US Department of State, 2015). It is estimated that a sum of 200 billion US dollars have been exported for investment in all destination countries (CCG, 2015). Since 2010, Chinese customers have also invested significantly in residential and commercial properties in the US.

This report is from 2015 because this trend has been increasing as Chinese became wealthier and had options. Those with the means want to have a second or third passport and a house in their name in a foreign country that is safer or more reliable than China. Because of this, China passed laws that its officers could not even have passports, as well as establishing a large network of foreign agents to keep tabs on émigrés.

Wealthy Chinese Are Fleeing the Country Like Mad​

A ChinaFile Infographic Translation

February 3, 2015
 
Some of the famous people who've been disappeared in China, most of whom later re-appeared, including a couple of them who were kidnapped out of Hong Kong and taken to the mainland. Three articles at the end give some details.

Jack Ma - richest man in China suggested the CCP should allow more freedoms to citizens
Peng Shuai - famous lady tennis pro disappeared after accusing a party official of sexual assault
Ai Weiwei - artist who questioned the 2008 Sichuan earthquake death totals
Gui Minhai - bookseller and Swedish (naturalized) citizen who was kidnapped from Hong Kong and taken to the mainland
Fan Bingbing - most famous actress in China at the time of her disappearance
Zhao Wei - actress
Meng Hongwei - Interpol chief
Guo Guangchang - industrialist
Xiao Jianhua - businessman taken from Hong Kong in 2017 and reappeared in the mainland in 2020
Ren Zhiqiang - real estate mogul, eventually jailed
Whitney Duan - billionaire businesswoman disappeared four years



These high profile celebrity cases are smallball, the real story are the victims of the current purges within the CCP top brass and PLA. That's the real snake pit, on top of minor political dissidents going dark of course. Byzantine style infighting and clique-tier politics which regularly ends with opposing bigwigs getting pulled behind the curtains and disappearing forever.

These purges have been going on for several years now, and only seem to be accelerating in intensity. Nearly 20 percent of the top 80 PLA generals have gone missing in the last 5 years, feels almost Stalin-esque



 
These high profile celebrity cases are smallball, the real story are the victims of the current purges within the CCP top brass and PLA. That's the real snake pit, on top of minor political dissidents going dark of course. Byzantine style infighting and clique-tier politics which regularly ends with opposing bigwigs getting pulled behind the curtains and disappearing forever.

These purges have been going on for several years now, and only seem to be accelerating in intensity. Nearly 20 percent of the top 80 PLA generals have gone missing in the last 5 years, feels almost Stalin-esque
When the very public and prominent Bo Xilai went missing from Shanghai in 2012, it was a wake up call to everyone there. Most people were still running brick phones and using SMS text back then and you could not send messages with any variation of his name. If you tried to type his name on a Chinese web site or forum, weibo or wechat, it would disappear as you typed, although real-time censorship had been very apparent since 2009 when Microsoft gave the CCP the keys to Skype.

Once you realized that someone as well-known as Bo Xilai or Jack Ma can be disappeared, you just can't pretend you're in a normal country any longer and that there is no due process to speak of or protection from improper prosecution.

Although most foreigners knew about the Bo Xilai situation, it seemed like most of them refused to connect the dots and still emphasized how safe they felt walking home drunk at 2 AM as being the only measure of China's goodness.
 
Some of the famous people who've been disappeared in China, most of whom later re-appeared, including a couple of them who were kidnapped out of Hong Kong and taken to the mainland. Three articles at the end give some details.

Jack Ma - richest man in China suggested the CCP should allow more freedoms to citizens

No, he wanted more influence over China's monetary system.




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Kissing the wall is not a good look in China.

As to the list of Chinese dissidents being arrested, do you have a list of scientists, whistleblowers, dissidents, politicians being killed by the deep state?

Did the CCP kill 3,000 New Yorkers on 9/11?
 
As to the list of Chinese dissidents being arrested?
On that list, only Guo Minhai and Ai Weiwei were dissidents, and only Guo had any intention of being one when he published mainland banned books that were legal in Hong Kong. Fan Bingbing was just getting too big for her britches, meaning she was too popular.

do you have a list of scientists, whistleblowers, dissidents, politicians being killed by the deep state?
Not trying to be snarky, but this is about China, so no, I don't.

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Did the CCP kill 3,000 New Yorkers on 9/11?
This is out of left field as far as I'm concerned and doesn't really belong here.

My point was about a particular, well-known phenomenon in China that magoo referenced, which was relevant to his post, and I provided some examples. It would probably be best if you just acknowledged this Chinese problem instead of trying to deflect and pivot because that prevents the conversation from staying focused.

There is no equivalent in the West of disappearing someone like Jack Ma. I can't think of anything like that happening since maybe WW2.

Please stay on topic.
 
Politburo member Ma Xingrui just went missing bytheway, man hasn't been seen for at least two weeks. Legend is he farted during a meeting and then fluttered the stench into Xi's direction, instant involuntary trip to the organ harvesting torture room. Ma Xingrui is one of the top 10 bigwigs in China.
Mighty nice kidneys you got there. Be a shame if someone harvested them during a vivisection in a mobile execution van.
 
No, he wanted more influence over China's monetary system.




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Kissing the wall is not a good look in China.

As to the list of Chinese dissidents being arrested, do you have a list of scientists, whistleblowers, dissidents, politicians being killed by the deep state?

Did the CCP kill 3,000 New Yorkers on 9/11?

Coopy yet again trying to frame China as anti-Israel or anti Jewry, the fire's gone and the man's now just going through the motions mindlessly drumming up his scripted deflections and denials.

Kind reminder that Israel was and is the vital keychain in backdooring US critical infrastructure and handing over the highly classified tech and Intel over to the Changs, ergo this is why all of China's ramshackle military hardware nowadays looks like a surface level carbon copy of US gear.

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This report is from 2015 because this trend has been increasing as Chinese became wealthier and had options. Those with the means want to have a second or third passport and a house in their name in a foreign country that is safer or more reliable than China. Because of this, China passed laws that its officers could not even have passports, as well as establishing a large network of foreign agents to keep tabs on émigrés.

Wealthy Chinese Are Fleeing the Country Like Mad​

A ChinaFile Infographic Translation

February 3, 2015

Thanks for the history lesson from 2015.

Here's where we are today:

 
Kissing the wall is not a good look in China.
Exposing Coopy for the fool that he is is prime entertainment. Here's Chinese Minister of Foreign Affairs and Standing Politburo member Wang Yi decked out with a kippah kissing the Wall in Jerusalem. Next is former CCP chairman Jiang Zhemin, also wearing a kippah and kissing the Wall in Jerusalem.

Coopy's legit been trashing his final shreds of credibility these last few days, man's shriveled up into the online equivalent of a drunk village idiot kept around for entertainment, muh 'not a good look in China', here's your former Chairman Jiang Zemin+ current number three on the CCP totempole chud.

Damn y'all just witnessed a murder.

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Coopy yet again trying to frame China as anti-Israel or anti Jewry, the fire's gone and the man's now just going through the motions mindlessly drumming up his scripted deflections and denials.

Kind reminder that Israel was and is the vital keychain in backdooring US critical infrastructure and handing over the highly classified tech and Intel over to the Changs, ergo this is why all of China's ramshackle military hardware nowadays looks like a surface level carbon copy of US gear.

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lol LaNegra, you can do better.

Another post from a decade ago that deserves an update, here you go:

 
Exposing Coopy for the fool that he is is prime entertainment. Here's Chinese Minister of Foreign Affairs and Standing Politburo member Wang Yi decked out with a kippah kissing the Wall in Jerusalem. Next is former CCP chairman Jiang Zhemin, also wearing a kippah and kissing the Wall in Jerusalem.

Coopy's legit been trashing his final shreds of credibility these last few days, man's shriveled up into the online equivalent of a drunk village idiot kept around for entertainment, muh 'not a good look in China', here's your former Chairman Jiang Zemin+ current number three on the CCP totempole chud.

Damn y'all just witnessed a murder.

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That's from when you were in kindergarten in your mystery meat 2nd world country, LaNegra.
 
On that list, only Guo Minhai and Ai Weiwei were dissidents, and only Guo had any intention of being one when he published mainland banned books that were legal in Hong Kong. Fan Bingbing was just getting too big for her britches, meaning she was too popular.
Not trying to be snarky, but this is about China, so no, I don't.
This is out of left field as far as I'm concerned and doesn't really belong here.
My point was about a particular, well-known phenomenon in China that magoo referenced, which was relevant to his post, and I provided some examples. It would probably be best if you just acknowledged this Chinese problem instead of trying to deflect and pivot because that prevents the conversation from staying focused.

There is no equivalent in the West of disappearing someone like Jack Ma. I can't think of anything like that happening since maybe WW2.

Please stay on topic.

There definitely is, you're either too much of a normie, or you're deflecting. Usually these targets aren't disappeared, they are suicided with two bullets to the back of the head.

When Trump was interviewed about the Russian government targeting people, he had a remarkably candid moment and answered along the lines of "we do those things too".

There's 1,200 people arrested and jailed in the UK every year for social media posts - glass houses.
 
Faber has had a series of incredibly lousy predictions. He's an older macroeconomist who has not lived or worked in China, unlike the Gaves who have lived and worked there as banker-investors for 30 years.
He's been an investment advisor and is still solvent and I suspect quite wealthy. Not being directly connected to the CCP gives him credibility, when he says Chinese numbers are fake he must have seen that in action since the 70s while dealing with businesses and individuals involved in the region who see what's happening on the ground. In contrast to some professors without any real world experience who've been calling for the dollar's demise for 40 years or more while it has remained king among other currencies.


His clients are foreign investors and banks. Money talks. These clients aren't going to pay millions for propaganda, or invest hundreds of millions in his fund if his advice fails to reflect real conditions and his fund underperforms.
In China more than anywhere the party selects all the winners, he's essentially interfacing between foreign investors and the Chinese government is my guess.

Those are the same arguments Russia detractors say about Putin's popularity polls, they think you would get shipped to a gulag if you respond that you're not satisfied with him.
It's because 'you don't bite the hand that feeds you', especially in authoritarian countries, that Gave will not say anything bad about China, also due to his role as some sort of an approved 'broker' there.



10-20 years ago, the Chinese didn't even have a real auto industry. Today they produce over a third of the world's autos, and they're just getting started. The trajectory is clear.
I agree with magoo, the west is killing itself, so that's why China's winning, it doesn't take much.


As I've mentioned a few times already, I see China more as a check on the otherwise unlimited power of the ((banksters)) that have been parasiting the West than a threat to crush the West. The plans for the West and humanity of an Alex Karp, Bill Gates or a Sam Altman are far more nefarious than anything the Chinese could come ever out with.
I don't need China or Russia to be a check on anything, they will not help me in any way. Western governments dream about introducing the Chinese system domestically, magoo mentioned that too.

I don't need them any more than Russians needed the west to be a check on the Soviet Union. They wanted to capture as much global influence as possible and install friendly dictators. I want the same, it's up to westerners to change their domestic leadership, be that in 50 or 200 years, in the meantime all the global influence must be maintained, just like Putin now controls all the domains Russia managed to retain that Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev had secured.

Lol, I take it you're from Poland, right, are you familiar with the American political system? How many "independent Senators" do you think there are in the US Senate? The voters only get to choose the uniparty/lesser evil, and when a Massie somehow manages to get through the cracks in a remote red state area, he gets frozen out.
I live in the US. I've had family here since late in the 19th century. Here in the NE people are happy with the way things are, with the senators they have, I live in a blue state, they're proud of that, they were happy to wear masks and get vaccines, they don't worry about greater Israel, things are to their liking.
It doesn't have to be Massie, they could elect Ilhans or Rashidas, and there'd be no greater Israel anymore, but more of the Soros type agenda implemented domestically and the free Palestine stuff.

People are happy with Fauxcahontas and Bernie, they have what they need, they don't want Massie, they'd easily elect somebody else if it mattered to them, greater Israel is not their concern.


You're undermining your argument, because mentally ill people who do very light vandalism hardly get any prison time. This guy got 17 years in jail for removing a gay flag from a church. He got nailed for going against the official state religion.
You didn't even read the article you shared. A headline says nothing more than a picture of a tranny in a library.

All violent criminals are mentally ill, it's an aberration. Normal people don't live or do things that way. The stated purpose of prison is to isolate those sick degenerates.

Such mental illness isn't something that would preclude one from going to trial. I've never committed any vandalism somehow, I don't feel any urges to behave like him, it's mental illness to play stupid games, he got off easy, I'm in favor of shooting trespassers if that's what it takes, if you're the property owner and catch them in the act, and feel like it.

From the article you shared:

This is an adult man with prior convictions,

He gets thrown out of a strip club for threatening and whatnot,

Trespasses to steal his trophy,

Burns that flag in front of the establishment he had been ejected from,

Threatens to burn the place down ,

It was not light vandalism, if you act that way be very afraid, the fool gave them all they needed, they made an example out of him by giving him the max sentence, but they had grounds to do so as a result of his previous history of criminal conduct, dude had a rap sheet.

I want to see BLM and other flags, I need to know where people stand ideologically, please advertise your preferences, a lot can be inferred- like who wears the mask and how, under the nose or pulled all the way up. I want to know what people stand for.

I live in the NE, the gayest part of the country excluding CA, the people are polite and pleasant, I leave packages sitting on the front steps for days without worrying about it if i have other things on my mind- 5 or 7 days was the longest, but it's hardly ever anything above a grand in value.

No matter where or in what country, there are always things you can't say or do, that's life.

This story is like posting a picture of a tranny in a library, nobody has seen that in real life in their town- in cities which no longer belong to Americans you will see bums- the chance of running into a weirdo like that is nonexistent, all I ever saw were children and older adults, but if I believed the internet trolls I'd think that's how most libraries in the us look like.

Nobody's in danger of seeing a tranny in their library, or a gay parade marching down main street, you would have to set out on the quest to find it.


Good luck removing Palantir later this decade.
Russia and China shills are telling us we're living in a surveillance police state already. Funny that it was Russia confiscating Pine64 devices 10 years ago due to the encryption capabilities of the gizmos.

With all that you know about the plans of Palantir, are you acting like a sitting duck or preparing to leave soon, China is worse now and will be even worse later this decade.

But by the end of the next decade we will be back to normal, people have been through more turbulent rodeos, if China and Russia have a fall out and end up at odds with each other in 20 years, whose side will you take.

A friend who grew up in Long Is, NY was driving down the highway thereabouts- a few years before Covid- when a group of maybe 20 Chinese ship stowaways (the city still gets some marine traffic) dashed for Chinatown across the busy expressway, jumping over concrete dividers, trying not to get run over, police, border and customs agents lights all around, but they all got away, no chance to catch them. Magoo said as much, westerners don't try to desperately sneak into China.




Something about China before the mods kick me out to the trolls lounge:



 
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He's been an investment advisor and is still solvent and I suspect quite wealthy. Not being directly connected to the CCP gives him credibility, when he says Chinese numbers are fake he must have seen that in action since the 70s while dealing with businesses and individuals involved in the region who see what's happening on the ground. In contrast to some professors without any real world experience who've been calling for the dollar's demise for 40 years or more while it has remained king among other currencies.

In China more than anywhere the party selects all the winners, he's essentially interfacing between foreign investors and the Chinese government is my guess.

It's because 'you don't bite the hand that feeds you', especially in authoritarian countries, that Gave will not say anything bad about China, also due to his role as some sort of an approved 'broker' there.

I agree with magoo, the west is killing itself, so that's why China's winning, it doesn't take much.

I don't need China or Russia to be a check on anything, they will not help me in any way. Western governments dream about introducing the Chinese system domestically, magoo mentioned that too.

I don't need them any more than Russians needed the west to be a check on the Soviet Union. They wanted to capture as much global influence as possible and install friendly dictators. I want the same, it's up to westerners to change their domestic leadership, be that in 50 or 200 years, in the meantime all the global influence must be maintained, just like Putin now controls all the domains Russia managed to retain that Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev had secured.


I live in the US. I've had family here since late in the 19th century. Here in the NE people are happy with the way things are, with the senators they have, I live in a blue state, they're proud of that, they were happy to wear masks and get vaccines, they don't worry about greater Israel, things are to their liking.
It doesn't have to be Massie, they could elect Ilhans or Rashidas, and there'd be no greater Israel anymore, but more of the Soros type agenda implemented domestically and the free Palestine stuff.

People are happy with Fauxcahontas and Bernie, they have what they need, they don't want Massie, they'd easily elect somebody else if it mattered to them, greater Israel is not their concern.

You didn't even read the article you shared. A headline says nothing more than a picture of a tranny in a library.

All violent criminals are mentally ill, it's an aberration. Normal people don't live or do things that way. The stated purpose of prison is to isolate those sick degenerates.

Such mental illness isn't something that would preclude one from going to trial. I've never committed any vandalism somehow, I don't feel any urges to behave like him, it's mental illness to play stupid games, he got off easy, I'm in favor of shooting trespassers if that's what it takes, if you're the property owner and catch them in the act, and feel like it.

From the article you shared:

This is an adult man with prior convictions,

He gets thrown out of a strip club for threatening and whatnot,

Trespasses to steal his trophy,

Burns that flag in front of the establishment he had been ejected from,

Threatens to burn the place down ,

It was not light vandalism, if you act that way be very afraid, the fool gave them all they needed, they made an example out of him by giving him the max sentence, but they had grounds to do so as a result of his previous history of criminal conduct, dude had a rap sheet.

I want to see BLM and other flags, I need to know where people stand ideologically, please advertise your preferences, a lot can be inferred- like who wears the mask and how, under the nose or pulled all the way up. I want to know what people stand for.

I live in the NE, the gayest part of the country excluding CA, the people are polite and pleasant, I live packages sitting on the front steps for days without worrying about it if i have other things on my mind- 5 or 7 days was the longest, but it's hardly ever anything above a grand in value.

No matter where or in what country, there are always things you can't say or do, that's life.

This story is like posting a picture of a tranny in a library, nobody has seen that in real life in their town- in cities which no longer belong to Americans you will see bums- the chance of running into a weirdo like that is nonexistent, all I ever saw were children and older adults, but if I believed the internet trolls I'd think that's how most libraries in the us look like.

Nobody's in danger of seeing a tranny in their library, or a gay parade marching down main street, you would have to set out on the quest to find it.

Russia and China shills are telling us we're living in a surveillance police state already. Funny that it was Russia confiscating Pine64 devices 10 years ago due to the encryption capabilities of the gizmos.

With all that you know about the plans of Palantir, are you acting like a sitting duck or preparing to leave soon, China is worse now and will be even worse later this decade.

But by the end of the next decade we will be back to normal, people have been through more turbulent rodeos, if China and Russia have a fall out and end up at odds with each other in 20 years, whose side will you take.
A friend who grew up in Long Is, NY was driving down the highway thereabouts- a few years before Covid- when a group of maybe 20 Chinese ship stowaways (the city still gets some marine traffic) dashed for Chinatown across the busy expressway, jumping over concrete dividers, trying not to get run over, police, border and customs agents lights all around, but they all got away, no chance to catch them. Magoo said as much, westerners don't try to desperately sneak into China.

Watch the video I've posted above, here it is again:



It's short, will take you a lot less time than writing your post above, but if you're really in a hurry, watch the last 2 min from 8:00 on, he provides perspective to your last paragraph above.


But by the end of the next decade we will be back to normal, people have been through more turbulent rodeos, if China and Russia have a fall out and end up at odds with each other in 20 years, whose side will you take.

Mongolia, lol.

Seriously though, if we're still alive in 20 years, it will be a big win.
 
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