The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Tina is from China and she has engines.

 

[Cooper]

The stolen technology isn't what is impressive. It is both how efficiently and quickly they can scale it up, because they put their resources into improving their country and we put our resources into baby sitting third worlders and erasing White people from existence.

It's not just dilution from the third world, it's also from the inner rot of late stage capitalism, regulatory capture and revolving doors at the MIC:



The Chinese will reportedly be building gliding hypersonic missiles that normally cost several millions apiece for the price of a Ford Raptor truck:

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

The video below is another one of serpentza's bangers, about three years old and one of his most viewed uploads. Vibe is comparable to 'dimwit American walks in state of the art Shenzhen hospital and gets same day specialist treatment for 4 USD' video.

Video is about a paid off foreign influencer repeating CCP propaganda on Xinjiang.

At that time there was a lot of back and forth arguing about Xinjiang mass internment, the labor camps and political crackdown in general. In the wake of string of rather serious Muslim attacks and riots the CCP had started repressing non state approved Islam and had built a series of mass internment facilities in Xinjiang to detain those it accused of wrongthink. The CCP always maintained these were 'vocational education and employment training centers with a view to assist in their rehabilitation'. According to the Chinese themselves at least 1.28 million Xinjiang people of whatever ethnicity went through 're-educational courses' in these camps over the years.

In much of the rest of the world these camps were considered forced labor and concentration camps. The detained were judicially outside the law/penal system and were often kept detained indefinitely on administrative charges and without legal process. Some even spoke of a (cultural) genocide as the Chinese forcefully tried to stifle Islam based political dissent and communitize/Sinicize the region by force.

In those years too the CCP sent a small army of compromised foreign influencers to Xinjiang to walk around tourist attractions and show the world how all was well. Serpentza back then made this absolute banger in which he dissected this sloppy paid off foreign CCP shill.

The influencer literally got followed by his handlers/minders throughout his entire Xinjiang trip, and he accidentally filmed his handlers at least 15 times. Whole thing was staged from A to Z.

New banger from serpentza and laowhy86, this time on the CCP lies surrounding the Uyghur Question. Xinjiang has been on and off in the news for years, mostly due to the brutal crackdown launched by the CCP in 2014 which came after a period of jihadist violence. This Chang crackdown included arbitrarily detaining up till two million Turkic muslims on random charges related to 'radicalization', forcibly separating children from their parents, disappearing local opponents of the commie regime, building up the largest and most profound surveillance state ever seen, closing places of worship en masse, and literally re-writing Islamic scripture. The latter two have happened with China's Christian community as well, all of this is described to a T in the Xinjiang Police Files.

Some very important details, the Turkic detainees are held without any charges and/or court cases. Ergo why Chang genocide-laundrers speak of voluntary re-education facilities instead of detainment camps. Chinese spooks simply pick the unlucky fellas up based on data analytics and first/second hand intel, detain them, forcefully 're-educate' them and then release them when deemed appropriate. Many of these inmates are held without trial for years and have to perform forced labor when in prison.



As serpentza emphasizes, the CCP simps always rebuke accusations by play-pretensing false confidence aka asking any sceptics 'to come and see for themself'. This is obviously cheap gaslighting, you're supposed not to come and the dozens of prison camps in the middle of the desert are off-limit anyway. This then gets doublewhammed by parading several paid Westoid propagandists going on scripted trips to Xinjiang to show how normal everything is. Quoted post above links one of those videos, the sell-out is accompanied the entire trip by a handler to make sure the right lines get drummed up.

Yet this time something went wrong, a Subcontinental vlogger traveled to Xinjiang to 'see for himself'. This man's also a Muslim hence in need for a place of worship. During his trip he went looking for a mosque in service and couldn't find one. All Uyghur mosques have been closed down and those that haven't are turned into tourist attractions with no Islamic services offered. According to the man the only mosques still in use are Hui mosques, which are under increasingly tight surveillance too bytheway.

Yet another CCP lie down the drain, signs of heavy Uyghur persecution are everywhere in Xinjiang. For those who don't really care about Muslims getting trampled, it obviously isn't much better for the Christian minority in China. This is especially due to the Chinese regime considering Christianity as a vessel for foreign influence, even more so than Islam.

Grim.

 

[Cooper]

This video from serpentza explains some details about the lack of trust in China. Some of it I've gone over before, including the medical system, and here it is again. He also talks about the mandatory bribes you have to give before surgery, the hong bao (red packet) and that his Chinese wife, who was a doctor in Shenzhen, had to give a hong bao to her colleague before surgery, which would have been during the same years that I was there (2005-2018).



I went on youtube and looked for some vids from Americans who are happy in China and I found one. It's not directly supporting the high trust society theme, but this is a well-adjusted American who speaks Mandarin well, has a Chinese wife, and has lived there for 16 years. Listening to him, you're going to hear a lot of the best things about China that he has experienced, and he's also in Guangzhou in this video, where I used to live.

He says the Chinese are very pro-active about work and he also mentions the drinking culture, which was something bothered me a lot. He doesn't harp on it, but he did say one of his Hong Kong friends had a brother who died from alcohol overdose during a Chinese business dinner. It was that kind of insanity when drinking that turned me off.

He gives some details about his monthly budget at 18:30 including rents in different parts of the Guangzhou metropolitan area. Says he pays $300 USD for a small place waaay out in the boonies near the airport in Huadu, $1000 USD in Baiyun district on the north side of town, and $2,000 USD, and those are the prices he gives for a "small place", which I assume is 2 bedroom around 70-80 sq. meters, but he didn't specify. There are too many variables for me to know, from the little information, if the prices have changed.

Serpentza serves low-IQ anti-China slop that consists of dubious anecdotal evidence and collages of outdated, cherrypicked footage that he uses to reinforce sinophobe biases to the low-info anti-China crowd.

He is not a serious source, any source covering China that never acknowledges the good parts of Chinese growth and development over the last several decades is just part of the billion dollar plus astroturfed glowie media network.

Here is an example of a more serious take on China. These two American industry analysts are not China cheerleaders, they actually view China as a threat to the West and the US, and this video is intended as a warning and a base to better understand China in order to better compete with them :



That is the kind of realistic and analytical take that a serious observer should favor, not the slop served by the likes of Serpentza or other similar professional propagandists with low professional qualifications.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

He is not a serious source, any source covering China that never acknowledges the good parts of Chinese growth and development over the last several decades is just part of the billion dollar plus astroturfed glowie media network.

I watched their videos when we were living there at the same time in next-door cities of Guangdong: Guangzhou - Huizhou - Shenzhen. Serpentza spent 13 years and Laowhy86 10 years as China cheerleaders while producing it's-fun-and-cool-to-live-in-China content that often emphasized the growth, opportunities and improvement, but they also never shied away from criticism.

They promoted local and foreign youtubers and did public events touting the good stuff in China. They both married Chinese women and have children with them. They made videos about why they left and why their stance on China has changed.

To disagree is one thing, but you're accusing them without evidence or even specific counter-points to what they're saying.

And again, you're simply wrong that they never acknowledge the good parts of China. Go back and look at their vids when they lived there.

They created thousands of hours of content about the good things in China, including two motorcycle travel documentaries, one for North China and one for South China, which I highly recommend to anyone curious about life outside Chinese cities.

 

[Cooper]

This video from serpentza explains some details about the lack of trust in China.

Sepentza is pushing talking points that make no sense whatsoever, like China being a low-trust society today, in a country where the honor code has been the basis for unsupervised parcel deliveries, where rows of mopeds are parked with their keys left in the ignition and where women walk alone downtown late at night with no fear. The equivalent of this just doesn't exist in any western country today, with the exception of small remote rural areas in a handful of countries like Switzerland or Norway.

Chinese American vlogger Carl Zha, Caltech grad who moved to SoCal after high school but still travels there regularly attributes the change towards high trust in China starting from the 2010s to the increase in the wealth levels among the populace. Another explanation I have heard is that there is a sense of joint national purpose with the average Chinese citizen feeling proud of their country developing and becoming a world leader.



Surveillance and policing certainly are factors as well, but more so in the earlier stages of their society having become high trust. In Singapore for example, it took strict police enforcement early on back in the 1970s to force people not to litter or spit, but once those habits became ingrained in society, with the younger generations growing up in more sane and evolved environments, the need for enforcement was not as vital.

Good thread discussing the evolution of Chinese society the last several decades:

 

[Cooper]

I watched their videos when we were living there at the same time in next-door cities of Guangdong: Guangzhou - Huizhou - Shenzhen. Serpentza spent 13 years and Laowhy86 10 years as China cheerleaders while producing it's-fun-and-cool-to-live-in-China content that often emphasized the growth, opportunities and improvement, but they also never shied away from criticism.

They promoted local and foreign youtubers and did public events touting the good stuff in China. They both married Chinese women and have children with them. They made videos about why they left and why their stance on China has changed.

To disagree is one thing, but you're accusing them without evidence or even specific counter-points to what they're saying.

And again, you're simply wrong that they never acknowledge the good parts of China. Go back and look at their vids when they lived there.

They created thousands of hours of content about the good things in China, including two motorcycle travel documentaries, one for North China and one for South China, which I highly recommend to anyone curious about life outside Chinese cities.

Here's the deal, when they lived there 10-20 years ago things were significantly worse than they are today. The average salary of a worker in main Chinese cities has risen many times over since they were there:

People ask me often: how are Chinese people doing economically? Putting aside less useful metrics, this is the answer. Disposable income per capita is increasing at the same rate as it has for a decade+.Inflation is low, unemployment if 5.3%, most people own their own homes with no mortgage, and the government let the hot air out of the real estate markert. Combine that with increased life-spans, near universal healthcare, low costs of higher education, no student loans, extremely low homelessness, and a lower gini-coefficient than the US, I'd say Chinese people are flying high.

So if they had some nice things to say about China 15 years ago, why don't they do even more of that today, given that the situation in China is significantly better today than when they lived there ??

The truth is, their content is a one-note negative commentary on every aspect of Chinese society. This as you know has been a lucrative position for them, they've hit the jackpot, so I can understand.

The other thing is that these two guys have zero professional qualifications, they were just ESL teachers and vloggers, there is no depth or seriousness about any of their takes.

The irony as well is that they come from Upstate NY and S. Africa, two places that have significantly deteriorated and are plagued with economic and social decline, yet they are critical of China, which has been objectively improving over the last few decades, talk about glass houses...

 

[Cooper]

New banger from serpentza and laowhy86, this time on the CCP lies surrounding the Uyghur Question. Xinjiang has been on and off in the news for years, mostly due to the brutal crackdown launched by the CCP in 2014 which came after a period of jihadist violence. This Chang crackdown included arbitrarily detaining up till two million Turkic muslims on random charges related to 'radicalization', forcibly separating children from their parents, disappearing local opponents of the commie regime, building up the largest and most profound surveillance state ever seen, closing places of worship en masse, and literally re-writing Islamic scripture. The latter two have happened with China's Christian community as well, all of this is described to a T in the Xinjiang Police Files.

Some very important details, the Turkic detainees are held without any charges and/or court cases. Ergo why Chang genocide-laundrers speak of voluntary re-education facilities instead of detainment camps. Chinese spooks simply pick the unlucky fellas up based on data analytics and first/second hand intel, detain them, forcefully 're-educate' them and then release them when deemed appropriate. Many of these inmates are held without trial for years and have to perform forced labor when in prison.

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As serpentza emphasizes, the CCP simps always rebuke accusations by play-pretensing false confidence aka asking any sceptics 'to come and see for themself'. This is obviously cheap gaslighting, you're supposed not to come and the dozens of prison camps in the middle of the desert are off-limit anyway. This then gets doublewhammed by parading several paid Westoid propagandists going on scripted trips to Xinjiang to show how normal everything is. Quoted post above links one of those videos, the sell-out is accompanied the entire trip by a handler to make sure the right lines get drummed up.

Yet this time something went wrong, a Subcontinental vlogger traveled to Xinjiang to 'see for himself'. This man's also a Muslim hence in need for a place of worship. During his trip he went looking for a mosque in service and couldn't find one. All Uyghur mosques have been closed down and those that haven't are turned into tourist attractions with no Islamic services offered. According to the man the only mosques still in use are Hui mosques, which are under increasingly tight surveillance too bytheway.

Yet another CCP lie down the drain, signs of heavy Uyghur persecution are everywhere in Xinjiang. For those who don't really care about Muslims getting trampled, it obviously isn't much better for the Christian minority in China. This is especially due to the Chinese regime considering Christianity as a vessel for foreign influence, even more so than Islam.

Grim.

It's kind of funny how Serpentza and LaNegra, types who hate Muslims and also hate the Chinese even more, somehow seem to LOVE Chinese Muslims, and try to pass as genuinely concerned about their fate...

If anything, the Chinese have been doing the right thing with their Muslims, shutting down foreign jihadi influence, forcing those among them who have adopted extremist islamic ideologies to go into vocational training. The reason they do that is that most terrorists tend to be failed or underemployed "gopnik" or stray cat types in search of a cause or source of income.

Countries like France, UK or Germany should learn and apply firm but practical Chinese methods to counteract foreign jihadi influence over their Muslim population.

This being said, the usual narrative of Uyghur oppression in China is completely bogus, like the notion of millions being interned in concentration camps and so forth like the stuff below or the propaganda posted above by is very similar to the anti-Russian discourse about Ukrainians being tortured, massacred in Bucha and everywhere by the Russian army and their children stolen - complete BS.