The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

The important difference is that the Chinese government now is the same as before, when it did everything it could to literally destroy Chinese culture, which has been replaced with the morally unrestricted pursuit of wealth at any cost.

It is acknowledged now that during Mao's years (1930-1976) the CCP was responsible for tens of millions of unnatural deaths, including millions of outright murders and millions of unnecessary starvations. When did this blood-soaked revolution end? I think it transformed.

The 1-child policy the CCP accepted in the late 1970's in exchange for becoming the world's workshop (of slave labor) resulted in many millions of abortions and murders of infants.

Political repression of harmless folk religions, like Falun Gong, resulted in forced organ harvesting vivisections of perhaps millions of prisoners of conscience since the late 1990's.

I see this massive bloodshed as continuity for the CCP from its original communist inception under the tutelage of the Bolsheviks that is totally out of synch with the post-WW2 world order of human rights that we're all supposed to believe in.

Why do Western govts, and the multinational corporations that have captured them, even tolerate, much less sponsor, a government so incongruous to all of their avowed moral priorities as the Chinese Communist Party? And how can such a government be viewed as convenient for, much less superior to, the Christian nations whose hard-earned technology and treasure has propped it up?

The Chinese people would benefit from a nationalist leader who could free them from the past 90 years, but I think too much damage has been done, much less to do it without God.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

You know nothing of Chinese history, you just plagiarized, cut and pasted large text from an anti-China X account and post :



Pretty obvious straight plagiarism, complete with the author's original typos, like "Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA". His actual name is Song Yongyi, chere is no "Yongi" in Chinese, and noone puts "Calstate" in one word, it's Cal State.

Next time you plagiarize, at least make an effort to not be so obvious, lest you become known as the Nasa Test Pilot of anti-Chinese/anti-Russian/pro-Israeli commentary on this board...

This being said, here is my criticism of the post by Andrew Côté (who btw is a neoliberal luciferian satanist from San Francisco) that LaNegra ripped off:

Dikötter is a virulent anti-China activist-academic, along the same lines as Adrian Zenz or Sarah Paine. It's kind of surprising that he is still based in Hong Kong, though he really is part of the Hoover Institute US neocon academic ecosphere. As is Song Yongyi, the Cal State Fullerton prof also quoted above.

I can also quote articles from Time or Newsweek about the Bucha massacre, incredibly deceptive outright anti-Russian lies, turning the massacre of Bucha civilians who collaborated with the Russian troops that conquered the city by Ukrainian militia (the "Safari" unit) into fictitious Russian war crimes:

The scenes of depravity they left behind have changed the course of the war in Ukraine. The Russian army’s crimes, described in both Kyiv and Washington as a campaign resembling genocide, have hardened the will of Western governments to arm Ukraine and narrowed the space for a negotiated peace. Leaders from across Europe have come through Bucha to see the devastation for themselves. They emerged voicing new pledges of support for Zelensky, promising more than a billion dollars in military aid from the European Union alone.

The Crime Scene Left Behind at a Summer Camp in Bucha

The scenes of depravity in this commuter town outside Kyiv have changed the course of the war in Ukraine

time.com

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

Dikötter also has other kooky takes about China, he is so anti-China that he claims that the period of prohibition on opium that came after opium was strictly banned under Mao was worse than when opium was evrywhere in China. In fact the CPC culled over a million drug dealers, triad members and people who profited from the opium trade. They took the same wide net approach as Bukele did in El Salvador, except they killed the people they've rounded up instead of putting them in labor camps.




Dikötter is also from the same retarded school of professional China doomers as Gordon Chang, claiming that the economy of China is all smoke and mirrors and is going to collapse anytime now.

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Torba agrees with IIMT:

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

 

[Cooper]

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

That was certainly true with cases like Boeing, whose management are ruining what was a well-run American company built by American engineers by cutting corners with outsourcing and H1Bs from India.

 

[Cooper]

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

Instead of admitting to having plagiarized your content from this post below made by a fellow neoliberal traveler with satanist leanings called Andrew Coté, you are doubling down and covering up with your usual wall of insults sent in between 3am and 5am from the third world time zone where you are from.

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@Andercot: In the Guanxi Cultural Revolution, official records show between 100,000 - 150,000 people were killed, by methods like live burial, drowning, boiling alive, and disemboweling. Local offices of the Communi...…

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Here is some of the text you have cut and pasted, word for word, from that fellow's article, in your post
#1,478 above:

This scene from Three Body Problem might've been based off the story of Wu Fushang.

In 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs."

Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA, documents:

"Independent researchers in Guangxi counted a total of 421 people who were eaten. There were reports of cannibalism across 27 counties in Guangxi; that's two-thirds of all the counties in Guangxi. There was one man who was said to be in the so-called fifth category, who was beaten to death where he stood. He had two kids, one of 11 and one of 14. The local officials and armed militia said that it was important to eradicate such people, and so they not only killed those two children: they ate them too. This took place in Pubei county, Guangxi, where 35 people were killed and eaten in total. Most of them were rich landowners and their families. There was one landowner called Liu Zhengjian whose entire family was wiped out. He had a 17-year-old daughter, Liu Xiulan, who was gang-raped by nine people [for 19 times] who then ripped open her belly, and ate her liver and breasts. There were so many incidents like this."

Frank Dikotter, professor and chair of humanities at the University of Hong Kong states "it is not enough to eliminate your class enemy. You have to eat his heart, so there are very well-documented cases of ritual cannibalism. There was a hierarchy in the consumption of class enemies. Leaders feasted on the heart and liver, mixed with pork, while ordinary villagers were allowed only to peck at the victims' arms and thighs."

1993, Newsweek: ""[t]he accounts were harrowing. Principals killed in schoolyards by students, then cooked and eaten. Government-run cafeterias displaying human bodies hanging from meat hooks and dishing them out to employees ... Documents smuggled out of China last week described atrocities of the Cultural Revolution in grotesque detail."



Now as far as the incidents of cannibalism during periods of famine where millions died of hunger, those did exist in China, which was, through its very long history, subject to great famines due to meteorological phenomena, huge floods and devastating civil wars. As someone else pointed above, those incidents of cannibalism also happened in Russia and Ukraine during famines, as well as in Ireland:

While records of proven instances of cannibalism during the Great Irish Famine (1845-1852) are remarkably rare and sensitive due to social taboos, a leading expert and a recent documentary confirm that isolated cases of "survivor cannibalism" did occur out of absolute desperation.
Documented Cases
One of the most harrowing documented accounts comes from a letter written in 1849 by Fr Peter Ward, the parish priest of Partry in County Mayo, to his archbishop. He described horrific scenes in the village of Drimcaggy:

• In one hut, four people (a brother, two sisters, and a daughter) lay dead. Flesh had been pulled off the daughter's arm and mangled in the mouth of her dead mother, Mary Kennedy.
  
  • William Walsh and his son were found dead together; flesh was torn off their bodies by rats and by each other.

Similar isolated incidents were also reported in counties Cork, Kerry, and Galway.

Historical Context
Professor Cormac Ó Gráda, a leading authority on the Great Famine, argues that such desperate acts are a grim reality of the most extreme famines globally. If people do not believe such things could happen, they do not fully understand the true horror and extremity of famine.


In a more recent case, the 1972 Andes flight disaster (Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571), where survivors of a plane crash in the remote mountains of Argentina and Chile resorted to cannibalism to stay alive for 72 days.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

 

[TruckDriver9]

@Cooper
We reviewed @LaAguilaNegra post, and while he could have been more scrupulous, he did not commit plagiarism.
He used italicization to highlight excerpts from a longer text, he didn't claim the authorship and openly stated that he forwarded the text.

This isn't just my personal opinion, it's the moderation team's.
The council has spoken

Case closed.

 

[Cooper]

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The memes above make no sense, as up to the 1970s China was poorer than India or most African countries. Mothers everywhere told their children to finish their plates because kids in China were starving. This of course is no longer the case, almost a billion people in China have been lifted out of abject poverty.

I would note as well that the CPC and Chinese government actively promote traditional Chinese values and culture, through its film and TV productions of series about historical figures and events, or hanfu days on campuses and high schools where students are encouraged to wear ancient traditional costumes.

Hanfu movement sweeps China in revival of traditional culture

The Chinese dressing style of Hanfu, based on the idea of donning costumes worn in bygone eras by China’s dominant Han ethnicity, has seen a spike in followers, partly thanks to social media.

hk.fashionnetwork.com

Hanfu costumes gaining tract in China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

One of the main reasons the communists prevailed over the Chiang Kai-shek nationalist faction is that the family of the latter was one of the main opium kingpins, notably his brother-in-law. That is a pattern very often seen in many third world countries, as in the Philippines with the family of Imelda Marcos, or in Assad's Syria with the family of patriarch Hafez Assad's wife.

Chang Kai-shek's brother in law partnered with the Green Gang, who was the most dominant drug cartel in China last century, which collaborated with the ((British)) authorities and banking cartels in Shanghai and HK. From a basic Google search:

AI Overview

Chiang Kai-shek had two notable brothers-in-law (H.H. Kung and T.V. Soong) who were part of the Soong family, a powerful dynasty in Republican China
. While the historical record does not directly link these specific men to the opium trade as their primary enterprise, Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist government was extensively involved in the opium traffic to finance its operations, collaborating with figures who were major drug bosses, such as Du Yuesheng of the Green Gang.

This aspect of the Chiang faction led many Chinese nationalists to side with Mao. When Mao took over, he executed 4-5 million of people in China, including anyone who had anything to do with the opium trade or distribution down to the corner vendor.

 

[Ember]

China is taking the clear lead in robotics.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

China is taking the clear lead in robotics.

It's a promo video. I'd like to know more about the actual use of robots the way these videos suggest.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

The woman tried to create plausible deniability by going all in on the dormant gene card, that man got gaslit hard.

 

[Eagle3]

China is taking the clear lead in robotics.

Nothing impressive about stolen technology. Yeah, other countries may do that too. But not in the same scale. And they don't brag about it half as much, either.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Nothing impressive about stolen technology. Yeah, other countries may do that too. But not in the same scale. And they don't brag about it half as much, either.

The stolen technology isn't what is impressive. It is both how efficiently and quickly they can scale it up, because they put their resources into improving their country and we put our resources into baby sitting third worlders and erasing White people from existence.

 

[expectation]

Technology so terrible that even military adversaries would rather use them than their own.

 

[jayco]

China is taking the clear lead in robotics.

Another thing is their AI projects are more practical and more related to manufacturing, versus US generative AI focus, with all the customer service chatbots and fake pictures, not to mention their AI costs a fraction of American projects

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

I would note as well that the CPC and Chinese government actively promote traditional Chinese values and culture, through its film and TV productions of series about historical figures and events, or hanfu days on campuses and high schools where students are encouraged to wear ancient traditional costumes.

They promote some of the outré trappings of customs and traditions that were largely sacrificed at the altar of Maoist thought, but they do not allow the freedom of thought among their own people to promote any spiritual practice or moral value system, except the false ones controlled by the central government, such as the CCP-approved versions of the five religions.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Stolen from The 70's Thread: Seinfeld on chopsticks



It's simply more fun eating with chopsticks than with a fork, knife, and spoon, which pose no challenge.

 

[Cooper]

Stolen from The 70's Thread: Seinfeld on chopsticks



It's simply more fun eating with chopsticks than with a fork, knife, and spoon, which pose no challenge.

Chopsticks are better for eating Asia food - sushi, noodles from a bowl, dumplings, Chinese chicken, beef or pork dishes where the pieces are cut and stir-fried etc.

Knife and fork are much better suited at normal food like steak, roast chicken, pork or lamb chops, fried eggs, pancakes,...

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

China however has become a high trust society.... honor code in parcel deliveries and pick ups etc.

The parcel pickups in China are very different than in the USA, especially in regard to thefts from porch pirates. China does not have porches, except at villas tucked into apartment complexes that are a new thing, but still rare.

When I lived there, the housing complex offices would not even accept deliveries because they can't deal with the problems that would inevitably arise and, until 2015 or so, almost every single package or food delivery was a person-to-person hand off after direct communication via text with the e-bike delivery boy, which was problematic becayse especially the older Chinese (born before about 1970) were so inconsiderate to them and would make them wait 10 or 20 minutes outside their apartment building and there was nothing they could do.

Covid changed some of this and now they have automated lock boxes in the housing complexes and around offices that solve that problem, thank goodness.

The scenes of many packages stacked out in the open began maybe 12 years ago simply because the logistics on China's biggest shopping day made it impossible to do the normal person-to-person hand off. It wasn't done because of goodwill and trust, but simply out of necessity and it only happens on maybe two or three days per year, like November 11 and Valentine's Day.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

China however has become a high trust society, as their people become wealthier and more culturally proud, with very low vehicle thefts, low street crime.

This video from serpentza explains some details about the lack of trust in China. Some of it I've gone over before, including the medical system, and here it is again. He also talks about the mandatory bribes you have to give before surgery, the hong bao (red packet) and that his Chinese wife, who was a doctor in Shenzhen, had to give a hong bao to her colleague before surgery, which would have been during the same years that I was there (2005-2018).



I went on youtube and looked for some vids from Americans who are happy in China and I found one. It's not directly supporting the high trust society theme, but this is a well-adjusted American who speaks Mandarin well, has a Chinese wife, and has lived there for 16 years. Listening to him, you're going to hear a lot of the best things about China that he has experienced, and he's also in Guangzhou in this video, where I used to live.

He says the Chinese are very pro-active about work and he also mentions the drinking culture, which was something bothered me a lot. He doesn't harp on it, but he did say one of his Hong Kong friends had a brother who died from alcohol overdose during a Chinese business dinner. It was that kind of insanity when drinking that turned me off.

He gives some details about his monthly budget at 18:30 including rents in different parts of the Guangzhou metropolitan area. Says he pays $300 USD for a small place waaay out in the boonies near the airport in Huadu, $1000 USD in Baiyun district on the north side of town, and $2,000 USD, and those are the prices he gives for a "small place", which I assume is 2 bedroom around 70-80 sq. meters, but he didn't specify. There are too many variables for me to know, from the little information, if the prices have changed.