The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

The important difference is that the Chinese government now is the same as before, when it did everything it could to literally destroy Chinese culture, which has been replaced with the morally unrestricted pursuit of wealth at any cost.

It is acknowledged now that during Mao's years (1930-1976) the CCP was responsible for tens of millions of unnatural deaths, including millions of outright murders and millions of unnecessary starvations. When did this blood-soaked revolution end? I think it transformed.

The 1-child policy the CCP accepted in the late 1970's in exchange for becoming the world's workshop (of slave labor) resulted in many millions of abortions and murders of infants.

Political repression of harmless folk religions, like Falun Gong, resulted in forced organ harvesting vivisections of perhaps millions of prisoners of conscience since the late 1990's.

I see this massive bloodshed as continuity for the CCP from its original communist inception under the tutelage of the Bolsheviks that is totally out of synch with the post-WW2 world order of human rights that we're all supposed to believe in.

Why do Western govts, and the multinational corporations that have captured them, even tolerate, much less sponsor, a government so incongruous to all of their avowed moral priorities as the Chinese Communist Party? And how can such a government be viewed as convenient for, much less superior to, the Christian nations whose hard-earned technology and treasure has propped it up?

The Chinese people would benefit from a nationalist leader who could free them from the past 90 years, but I think too much damage has been done, much less to do it without God.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

You know nothing of Chinese history, you just plagiarized, cut and pasted large text from an anti-China X account and post :



Pretty obvious straight plagiarism, complete with the author's original typos, like "Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA". His actual name is Song Yongyi, chere is no "Yongi" in Chinese, and noone puts "Calstate" in one word, it's Cal State.

Next time you plagiarize, at least make an effort to not be so obvious, lest you become known as the Nasa Test Pilot of anti-Chinese/anti-Russian/pro-Israeli commentary on this board...

This being said, here is my criticism of the post by Andrew Côté (who btw is a neoliberal luciferian satanist from San Francisco) that LaNegra ripped off:

Dikötter is a virulent anti-China activist-academic, along the same lines as Adrian Zenz or Sarah Paine. It's kind of surprising that he is still based in Hong Kong, though he really is part of the Hoover Institute US neocon academic ecosphere. As is Song Yongyi, the Cal State Fullerton prof also quoted above.

I can also quote articles from Time or Newsweek about the Bucha massacre, incredibly deceptive outright anti-Russian lies, turning the massacre of Bucha civilians who collaborated with the Russian troops that conquered the city by Ukrainian militia (the "Safari" unit) into fictitious Russian war crimes:

The scenes of depravity they left behind have changed the course of the war in Ukraine. The Russian army’s crimes, described in both Kyiv and Washington as a campaign resembling genocide, have hardened the will of Western governments to arm Ukraine and narrowed the space for a negotiated peace. Leaders from across Europe have come through Bucha to see the devastation for themselves. They emerged voicing new pledges of support for Zelensky, promising more than a billion dollars in military aid from the European Union alone.

The Crime Scene Left Behind at a Summer Camp in Bucha

The scenes of depravity in this commuter town outside Kyiv have changed the course of the war in Ukraine

time.com

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

Dikötter also has other kooky takes about China, he is so anti-China that he claims that the period of prohibition on opium that came after opium was strictly banned under Mao was worse than when opium was evrywhere in China. In fact the CPC culled over a million drug dealers, triad members and people who profited from the opium trade. They took the same wide net approach as Bukele did in El Salvador, except they killed the people they've rounded up instead of putting them in labor camps.




Dikötter is also from the same retarded school of professional China doomers as Gordon Chang, claiming that the economy of China is all smoke and mirrors and is going to collapse anytime now.

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Torba agrees with IIMT:

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

 

[Cooper]

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

That was certainly true with cases like Boeing, whose management are ruining what was a well-run American company built by American engineers by cutting corners with outsourcing and H1Bs from India.

 

[Cooper]

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

Instead of admitting to having plagiarized your content from this post below made by a fellow neoliberal traveler with satanist leanings called Andrew Coté, you are doubling down and covering up with your usual wall of insults sent in between 3am and 5am from the third world time zone where you are from.

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Here is some of the text you have cut and pasted, word for word, from that fellow's article, in your post
#1,478 above:

This scene from Three Body Problem might've been based off the story of Wu Fushang.

In 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs."

Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA, documents:

"Independent researchers in Guangxi counted a total of 421 people who were eaten. There were reports of cannibalism across 27 counties in Guangxi; that's two-thirds of all the counties in Guangxi. There was one man who was said to be in the so-called fifth category, who was beaten to death where he stood. He had two kids, one of 11 and one of 14. The local officials and armed militia said that it was important to eradicate such people, and so they not only killed those two children: they ate them too. This took place in Pubei county, Guangxi, where 35 people were killed and eaten in total. Most of them were rich landowners and their families. There was one landowner called Liu Zhengjian whose entire family was wiped out. He had a 17-year-old daughter, Liu Xiulan, who was gang-raped by nine people [for 19 times] who then ripped open her belly, and ate her liver and breasts. There were so many incidents like this."

Frank Dikotter, professor and chair of humanities at the University of Hong Kong states "it is not enough to eliminate your class enemy. You have to eat his heart, so there are very well-documented cases of ritual cannibalism. There was a hierarchy in the consumption of class enemies. Leaders feasted on the heart and liver, mixed with pork, while ordinary villagers were allowed only to peck at the victims' arms and thighs."

1993, Newsweek: ""[t]he accounts were harrowing. Principals killed in schoolyards by students, then cooked and eaten. Government-run cafeterias displaying human bodies hanging from meat hooks and dishing them out to employees ... Documents smuggled out of China last week described atrocities of the Cultural Revolution in grotesque detail."



Now as far as the incidents of cannibalism during periods of famine where millions died of hunger, those did exist in China, which was, through its very long history, subject to great famines due to meteorological phenomena, huge floods and devastating civil wars. As someone else pointed above, those incidents of cannibalism also happened in Russia and Ukraine during famines, as well as in Ireland:

While records of proven instances of cannibalism during the Great Irish Famine (1845-1852) are remarkably rare and sensitive due to social taboos, a leading expert and a recent documentary confirm that isolated cases of "survivor cannibalism" did occur out of absolute desperation.
Documented Cases
One of the most harrowing documented accounts comes from a letter written in 1849 by Fr Peter Ward, the parish priest of Partry in County Mayo, to his archbishop. He described horrific scenes in the village of Drimcaggy:

• In one hut, four people (a brother, two sisters, and a daughter) lay dead. Flesh had been pulled off the daughter's arm and mangled in the mouth of her dead mother, Mary Kennedy.
  
  • William Walsh and his son were found dead together; flesh was torn off their bodies by rats and by each other.

Similar isolated incidents were also reported in counties Cork, Kerry, and Galway.

Historical Context
Professor Cormac Ó Gráda, a leading authority on the Great Famine, argues that such desperate acts are a grim reality of the most extreme famines globally. If people do not believe such things could happen, they do not fully understand the true horror and extremity of famine.


In a more recent case, the 1972 Andes flight disaster (Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571), where survivors of a plane crash in the remote mountains of Argentina and Chile resorted to cannibalism to stay alive for 72 days.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Next time you plagiarize

Instead of admitting to having plagiarized your content

Is plagiarizing a bannable offense?

 

[Cooper]

^LaNegra copy-pasted from a secondary source without naming that source. If you're going to do this, you have to name your source. The content quoted wasn't just straight quotations of articles and their authors, but also the writing and analysis by a secondary source who had cobbled together and commented on alleged primary sources. Therefore, that secondary source needs to be acknowledged as his source if he's going to copy-paste that guy's content.

This was a recurrent problem with the banned poster whose name escapes me who used to lift a lot of text in his long kitchen sink-type responses. He never posted his sources because they were dodgy.

In the case of LaNegra's source above, the guy in question is a neoliberal from SF espousing luciferian concepts like "as above so below".

As Above, So Below

We take some conceptual heuristics for granted but discard others without good reason, but all pure concepts have a similar degree of non-existence.

andercot.substack.com